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Concealed-carry law flawed (Wisconsin barf alert)
Milwaukee J-S ^ | 09 may 2012 | Jay Miller

Posted on 05/09/2012 4:51:25 AM PDT by rellimpank

Last year, Wisconsin became the 49th state to allow residents to carry concealed weapons. Although there may be comfort in numbers, I personally don't feel more comfortable - or secure - knowing this law is on the books. Also, recent news stories have only added to my discomfort.

On April 20, the state Department of Justice announced that it had issued its 100,000th concealed-carry permit and Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen offered that it would be not surprising if total permits exceed 125,000.

That means a lot of folks will be carrying concealed weapons in all sorts of places. Sure, the law bars certain groups, such as convicted felons, from obtaining permits and generally allows businesses to prohibit concealed weapons on their premises. However, the restrictions don't go nearly far enough.

The problem is that too many things in too many places can go wrong, and the consequences may, well, be fatal.

Perhaps most disturbing is that the law does not mandate adequate training. As Journal Sentinel editorial writer and columnist James E. Causey reported in an April 15 column, those seeking permits are only required to take a two-hour firearm safety course and no part of it mandates hands-on instruction, much less spending time at a gun range to practice.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; rkba

1 posted on 05/09/2012 4:51:32 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: afraidfortherepublic

—ping—


2 posted on 05/09/2012 4:52:40 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank; Joe Brower
Only trained professionals in the police and the military need to carry pistols.

Ordinary civilians are much safer without them.


3 posted on 05/09/2012 4:56:05 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: rellimpank
The problem is that too many things in too many places can go wrong, and the consequences may, well, be fatal.

History has proven that little to nothing goes wrong and that crime actually goes down or criminals end up committing their last crime when they encounter an armed citizen.

I actually feel very safe in the midst of heavily armed civilians.
4 posted on 05/09/2012 4:58:12 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: rellimpank

Oh my! The Helots, (Citizens), are arming themselves against our thugs. We’ll have to do something to get it back to the way it was.

Liberals and most journalist, excuse me I just repeated myself, just irritate the heck out of me with their “well-thought-out” policies and attitudes.


5 posted on 05/09/2012 5:01:14 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: rellimpank

So this Jerk doesn’t feel comfortable——give him a pity party.

Many thousands do feel comfortable jerk, What makes your comfort more special than theirs.

Theirs is a 2nd. Amendment right. If you don’t like it there are places where it is not a right.


6 posted on 05/09/2012 5:13:50 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: rellimpank

What I always find amusing while discussing this with avid, anti-gun, anti-CCW bigots, is the look on their face when you explain that for the last 15 minutes they have been standing next to at least 3 others who were legally carrying.


7 posted on 05/09/2012 5:19:51 AM PDT by Wizdum (My job is to get you to shoot soda out your nose)
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To: rellimpank

Well, if the writer doesn’t feel comfortable carrying a firearm, maybe they should invest in body armor...about the same price as a reasonably good used pistol and enough ammo to become proficient.


8 posted on 05/09/2012 5:21:00 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: rellimpank
Perhaps most disturbing is that the law does not mandate adequate training.

Yep, Wisconsonites are ignoring that part of the 2A that says, "the right to keep and bear arms with adequate training".

Shame on them.

9 posted on 05/09/2012 5:27:50 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: rellimpank

Jay Miller is a confused person who wets his bed at the thought that law-abiding citizens are ‘permitted’ to exercise their rights.


10 posted on 05/09/2012 5:30:10 AM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: rellimpank

Hey, Jason—how many gunfights are erupting around you these days?

I’m sure a big shootout will occur any day now, started by all these law-abiding citizens.

You better go cower in the corner and suck your thumb..........


11 posted on 05/09/2012 5:30:16 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: rellimpank

After crossing the Volga river with thousands of other conscripted volunteers, Vasily Zaytsev was given some bullets and told to pick a rifle from the comrade in front of him if he fell in battle.

While it is true he’d fired weapons as a boy, he didn’t receive any training from the people pushing him to the slaughter.

No one, at least on the Russian side, was afraid of him carrying his weapon anywhere in the city. No one in America should be afraid of an honest, law abidign citizen carrying a weapon to protect himself and others from criminals who the police cannot control.


12 posted on 05/09/2012 5:30:54 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: rellimpank
I personally don't feel more comfortable

It's always FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELINGS with these numbskulls. Not one iota of fact anywhere.

Does he feeeeeeeel uncomfortable about wearing a seat belt in his car? Does he feeeeeeel uncomfortable with the fire extinguisher in his kitchen?

IMHO, ccw is no different.

13 posted on 05/09/2012 5:35:57 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: rellimpank
Although there may be comfort in numbers, I personally don't feel more comfortable - or secure - knowing this law is on the books.

You should reconsider that opinion, Jay. You will not find a safer, more law abiding group than those who hold CPLs.

14 posted on 05/09/2012 5:39:08 AM PDT by John123 (US$ - I owe you nothing. Euro - Who owes you nothing.)
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To: rellimpank

The flaw is between the ears of the person who wrote the article.

I am one of the over 100,000 licensed to carry concealed and I go to the range regularly.


15 posted on 05/09/2012 5:45:35 AM PDT by DonkeyBonker
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To: rellimpank

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16 posted on 05/09/2012 5:46:19 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Puppage
It's always FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELINGS with these numbskulls. Not one iota of fact anywhere.

So very true.

17 posted on 05/09/2012 5:47:00 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: Travis McGee
Great picture... but still a horrifying one. This is a stark reminder if sociopaths are allowed to take over the government... they can and will do anything they want to do by first disarming the public.

Nazi Germany used the Census to identify and disarm the Jewish people so they couldn't resist the "Final Solution."

18 posted on 05/09/2012 5:49:43 AM PDT by John123 (US$ - I owe you nothing. Euro - Who owes you nothing.)
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To: rellimpank

48 other states have managed this without horrible consequences, why does he think the people of Wisconsin are less capable? Maybe he should move to Illinois and root for the Bears....


19 posted on 05/09/2012 5:56:19 AM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: rellimpank; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; ...

Wisconsin Concealeld Carry discussion ping

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


20 posted on 05/09/2012 6:12:04 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: rellimpank

Here’s the pattern:

100,000,000 civilians were murdered by their own governments in the 20th century while those governments were installing socialism. Socialism has never worked anywhere without impoverishing the population. It doesn’t work and the left still wants to try it again

Private citizens carry concealed weapons in 49 states without bloodbaths, shoot out or bullet-ridden road rage but the left still predicts mayhem if people are allowed to exercise their rights.

It seems the answer is simple; the left is simply unable to learn anything.


21 posted on 05/09/2012 6:25:37 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: rellimpank

“concealed-carry permit”
A permit to exercise a right? After the bs with fast and furious. One can only wonder which people will be issued a permit to exercise a right.


22 posted on 05/09/2012 6:31:13 AM PDT by DMG2FUN
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To: rellimpank
Jay Miller of Whitefish Bay is a tax attorney.

What a pathetic simpering excuse for a man. He really needs to get out of Whitefolks Bay and spend more time in the heart of Milwaukee. Then he'll understand why law-abiding folks want the right to carry. They just want a fair chance to shoot back.

23 posted on 05/09/2012 6:42:49 AM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus
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To: rellimpank

The Second Amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms.

That said, with rights come responsibilities. Yes, it is up to you, but if you choose to strap on a firearm, you have a responsibility to those around you to know how to use it. If you don’t train before carrying a weapon, you’re a damned fool, and fools endanger the rights of all of us. The vast majority of those who carry understand this.


24 posted on 05/09/2012 12:44:36 PM PDT by LouD (I stand with Scott Walker)
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