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Mormon Doctrine Leads to Socialism?
Townhall.com ^ | May 9, 2012 | Rachel Alexander

Posted on 05/09/2012 5:44:28 AM PDT by Kaslin

Now that Mitt Romney is the presumptive Republican nominee for president, the left is increasing its attacks on his Mormon religion, hoping to distract voters into focusing on perceived negatives about Mormonism. The latest attack is shrewdly done. Instead of directly attacking Mormonism, which could look bad, the left is claiming that Mormonism is really socialist.

Last month, the far left website Salon ran an article entitled, “When Mormons Were Socialists.” It relied completely upon a deliberate misinterpretation of a few verses in the Book of Mormon. The author claimed that Mormon doctrine about events in the first century A.D. advocated for socialism. He declared that in the Third Book of Nephi, God punished a city because “the government disregarded the sick and poor.” Tellingly, the Salon article did not indicate where in the Book of Mormon the verses it relies upon are located, because they do not exist. At no time did the Nephite government ever give even a tiny amount of assistance to the poor.

The Book of Mormon is heavily critical of excessive government taxation. Wicked King Noah was criticized for taxing his people mercilessly to fund his extravagant building plan. Like the Bible, which Mormons follow, the Book of Mormon teaches the principle of asking others – not the government – to help the poor.

The Third Book of Nephi is about a city that was punished by God for greed, immorality and turning away from God. It is similar to Bible stories about God punishing the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and the king of Babylon.

The Bible and the Third Book of Nephi both criticize the wealthy for their arrogance. Chapter 6, verses 12 & 15 of the Third Book of Nephi, state:

There began to be some disputings among the people; and some were lifted up unto pride and boastings because of their exceedingly great riches, yea, even unto great persecutions…..Satan had great power, unto the stirring up of the people to do all manner of iniquity, and to the puffing them up with pride, tempting them to seek for power, and authority, and riches, and the vain things of the world.

Similarly, the Bible rails against the greedy rich in James 5:1-4:

1 And a final word to you arrogant rich: Take some lessons in lament. You'll need buckets for the tears when the crash comes upon you. 2 Your money is corrupt and your fine clothes stink. 3 Your greedy luxuries are a cancer in your gut, destroying your life from within. You thought you were piling up wealth. What you've piled up is judgment. 4 All the workers you've exploited and cheated cry out for judgment. The groans of the workers you used and abused are a roar in the ears of the Master Avenger.

Another claim made by the Salon author is that the Third Book of Nephi condemned corporate greed and advocated for the Occupy movement. “God had called Samuel to essentially Occupy Zarahemla, to stand up and speak out against corporate greed and wealth accumulation,” he wrote. Yet contrary to his assertion, there were no corporations in 6 B.C. Samuel was merely instructed to denounce greed and selfishness, which the Bible has always condemned. This has nothing in common with the Occupy movement, which seeks to use the government to redistribute wealth. This is the same kind of accusation the left makes about mainstream Christianity, claiming Jesus “occupied” the Temple.

The communitarian living of Mormons in the 1800’s is held up as more evidence that Mormons used to advocate for socialism. However, communal living is not socialism; it is voluntary agreements among private parties. A quote by Brigham Young stating that the streams and timber belong to the people and are not for private ownership is also offered as evidence of socialism. This is not accurate, since most capitalist countries, including the United States, treat rivers and most timber forests as federal or state property.

This latest attack is just a variation on the left’s claim that the Bible and Jesus advocated for socialism. If Mormons are socialists, then evangelicals are too. It is odd the left is suddenly so interested in Mormonism now. Harry Reid, a Mormon Democrat, has been the Senate Majority leader since 2007. Mo Udall, also a Mormon Democrat, ran for President against Jimmy Carter in 1976. The left has never had a problem with their Mormonism.


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To: palmer
You missed the point. What I replied to was the assertion that NOTHING like that was to be found in UTAH.

The link proves that statement wrong.

81 posted on 05/09/2012 12:04:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: JimRed

Hey!

I was just hopping on the VOLUNTARY aspect - NOT the legality of it all.


82 posted on 05/09/2012 12:05:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Vigilanteman
I would wager that most of that 30% shares the same visceral hatred of Mormons as the moonbats which infest this forum.

Why do MORMONs just LOVE to be HATED?

I'll wager that 100% of them "E's" (as they are 'lovingly' known in PROVO) hate the heresy that calls itself MORMONism!

83 posted on 05/09/2012 12:08:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: spectre
Your vicious, vile hatred launched against the Mormon church and it's members is intolerable.



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

84 posted on 05/09/2012 12:10:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: spectre
I can only hope the day Romney takes the oath of Office, you'll end up wearing a straight jacket in some obscure looney bin with sound proof padded walls.

My, my, my....


SOMEone's lil' demon is having a HISSY FIT!

85 posted on 05/09/2012 12:12:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Springfield Reformer
So to you, obeying Christ by avoiding and exposing purveyors of a false Christ makes one a “bigoted lowlifer?”

What do you expect?

His "...and I am a MORMON" video on YouTube was rejected.

86 posted on 05/09/2012 12:14:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

I am shocked SHOCKED that there is communism in Utah. Now, my question is: is there more communism or socialism in Utah than other states (Calif excepted)? Does Mormonism in various ways promote socialism more than secularism? What are those ways? The answers to questions like that are important. Obviously Romney is a liberal and we have to decide whether it is worth having a RINO to get rid of Obama. But it may be that Romney is not a typical Mormon. Anything specific that you can post will help people decide.


87 posted on 05/09/2012 6:11:01 PM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Elsie

Your erratic postings are sadly humorous. You remind me of an old gasthaus owner in a little village near where I was stationed in W. Germany. Herr Loeber saw a Jew under every table or floorboard. He hated them and constantly claimed he was right and they were wrong. His place had great food but I could not stand his bigotry.

What is it that drives such thoughts? I think it’s EGO, because it surely ain’t science.

Crazy theophobes give conservatism a bad name.


88 posted on 05/10/2012 4:55:19 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Anybody but Obama. He's just getting warmed up.)
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To: Elsie

I know what plein air means!

Plane-Error Payntun?


89 posted on 05/10/2012 7:26:24 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Loud Mime
Crazy theophobes give conservatism a bad name.

You are probably right.

Crazy demonic theology believers give CHRISTIANITY an bad name.

90 posted on 05/10/2012 11:20:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Loud Mime
Your erratic postings are sadly humorous.

Oh?

I thought they were about 99% completely MORMON; thus 100% completely HERESY.

91 posted on 05/10/2012 11:21:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Loud Mime
His place had great food but I could not stand his bigotry.

So you tolerated it to eat the food?

You must have been a great actor then.

92 posted on 05/10/2012 11:23:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: oldsalt

You are kidding, right?


93 posted on 05/30/2012 10:02:16 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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