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Postal Service plans to keep rural post offices, cut hours
Los Angeles Times ^ | May 9, 2012, 6:43 p.m. | Ian Duncan, Washington Bureau

Posted on 05/09/2012 7:30:58 PM PDT by Olog-hai

The U.S. Postal Service backed off from a proposal to close thousands of rural post offices, opting instead to cut opening hours in a bid to stem devastating financial losses.

The postal service estimates that the new plan will save $500 million a year once it is fully implemented in 2014. The previous proposal would have closed more than 3,000 rural post offices to save $200 million a year.

Under the plan outlined Wednesday, 13,167 post offices will open for two to six hours a day. A spokeswoman for the postal service said that no community would be required to close its post office, although they could chose to do so and opt instead for home delivery.

"We've listened to our customers in rural America and we've heard them loud and clear. They want to keep their post office open," Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe said in a statement. "We believe today's announcement will serve our customers' needs and allow us to achieve real savings to help the Postal Service return to long-term financial stability."

The plan for shorter hours has to be reviewed by the Postal Regulatory Commission. Communities will be invited to respond before opening hours are changed.

The postal service loses $25 million a day and in February published a comprehensive plan to restore itself to profitability, which included measures to eliminate Saturday delivery.

The Senate last month passed legislation that would curb those plans, delaying a decision on Saturday delivery for at least two years and making it harder to close post offices, particularly in rural areas.

The Senate plan would refund $11 billion the postal service overpaid into a federal retirement benefits account, and let the service use the money to encourage as many as 100,000 workers to take buyouts. …

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bailout; postal; postoffice; usmail; usps

1 posted on 05/09/2012 7:31:01 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Here is an idea.

Use the periodical sorting machines we all paid for and fire those unionized or non-unionized people who aren’t needed.


2 posted on 05/09/2012 7:33:29 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL
This is the problem with the Senators. They refuse to do the thing that is needed. Cut those little looser Post Offices off Period/ The Senate kick the can down the road, not settling anything, just keep on allowing the problem to fester and get worse. Do not vote for any incumbent.
3 posted on 05/09/2012 7:37:20 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (I don't know what the future holds, but I know who holds my future.,)
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To: BooBoo1000

The liberal media can have their junk on my lawn/driveway/gutter at 6AM, but the Post Office doesn’t get here until 3PM. How about we retrain the dying newspaper companies to deliver the mail?


4 posted on 05/09/2012 7:39:56 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

They don’t want to mess with the overstaffed urban post offices. My post office has 1 full time worker and one unneeded part timer they ship 70 miles from Detroit for 4 hours on Santurday (And she’s worthless)

Our Rural driver works out of 3 different offices.

Personally I’d cut Saturday and lose the big sorting offices and let UPS handle delivery to the rural offices. UPS and FedEx deliver to the post office here most of the time anyway.


5 posted on 05/09/2012 7:40:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Olog-hai
These two things don't seem to mix:

"We've listened to our customers in rural America and we've heard them loud and clear. They want to keep their post office open," Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe said in a statement. "We believe today's announcement will serve our customers' needs and allow us to achieve real savings to help the Postal Service return to long-term financial stability."

The Senate last month passed legislation that would curb those plans, delaying a decision on Saturday delivery for at least two years and making it harder to close post offices, particularly in rural areas.

How in the Hell is the Post Office supposed to save money if Congress steps in and prevents them from closing post offices where they lose money??????

People want the Post Office run like a business, but most businesses don't have Congressional critters stepping in and telling them what stores they can't close or what hours they have to keep.

You have to give credit to the folks living in rural areas - they made themselves heard by their Congressional critters, and their Congressional critters stepped in to protect their post offices. Too bad they are screwing things up for the rest of us.
6 posted on 05/09/2012 7:47:33 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Olog-hai

Spineless.

It is absolutely necessary to cut those offices and facilities and go to a reduced delivery schedule to make the USPS competitive...yet they won’t do it. Who besides the unions would be behind such a brain-dead move?


7 posted on 05/09/2012 7:56:39 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: GeronL
My mother and I have been e-mailing each other at length this evening in regards to the relative third-teat status of the USPS, and why. I sent her a Mother's Day gift via priority mail, and they're been screwing the pooch every step of the way.

"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

--H.L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920


8 posted on 05/09/2012 8:00:18 PM PDT by Viking2002 ( "I didn't just write 'Wango Tango'...........I MEANT it." - Ted Nugent)
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To: af_vet_rr
They have their hands tied. The USPS needs a retirement ‘cushion’ that is, to my knowledge, more stringent than any other on the planet.
9 posted on 05/09/2012 8:01:09 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Viking2002

Yep. They have no real incentive to improve much and they know it.


10 posted on 05/09/2012 8:08:06 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: BooBoo1000
Cut those little looser Post Offices...

I just don't understand why so many Freepers have a problem understanding the difference between "lose" and "loose" and yheir derivatives.

To save you the trouble of looking it up, the word you are looking for is "loser."

11 posted on 05/09/2012 8:23:53 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Olog-hai

This is a good decision. It would be a bad move to close rural post offices. We shouldn’t be making it harder for Americans to live in small towns and out in the country.

And of course, the Post Office is unprofitable. It’s not supposed to make money. It’s exactly like the Federal Highway System, which doesn’t make money either, and yet you don’t hear people proposing we shut down I-40.

And if you insist on profit, think about how the Post Office has paid off in ways you don’t think about. It’s one of the ways we grew to be the greatest economy the world has ever seen.

The Post Office is one of the few things that government should do.

Could it be run more efficiently? Sure. But that’s separate issue.


12 posted on 05/09/2012 8:32:07 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: Blue Ink

They need to close a lot of post offices in PA. We have more of them than Subways. They seem to have been geographically placed based on the horse and buggy era. Anyone with a car can easily drive to the main post office within a few minutes, but they’ll pass several “satellite” ones along the way that I really doubt need to be there.


13 posted on 05/09/2012 8:42:00 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Olog-hai

Must be from all that money they made from paying workers $30K to retire.

Pray for America


14 posted on 05/09/2012 8:42:32 PM PDT by bray (Power to We the People)
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To: GeronL
It's aggravating. They need either massive reform, or privatization, but in this inverse, bass-ackwards universe we currently live in, speaking common sense and definitive action to the problem is akin to threatening genocide against a protected species.

"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

--H.L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920


15 posted on 05/09/2012 8:48:03 PM PDT by Viking2002 ( "I didn't just write 'Wango Tango'...........I MEANT it." - Ted Nugent)
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To: Viking2002

It’d be easier to start with a blank canvass than try to “fix” the problems with government, post office, schools etc etc


16 posted on 05/09/2012 8:52:39 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: JediJones

I don’t object to closing “satellite” duplicate offices close to each other.

I object to closing the only post office in a small town or rural county.


17 posted on 05/09/2012 9:15:56 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: Blue Ink; All

The post office has a constitutional obligation to deliever the mails, but let’s face it, times have changed. I live in a rural area, but have SEVERAL post offices with a ten-minute drive in almost any direction.

They could be consolidated without the slightest of problems. And don’t get me started on the leasing scam for some of these places.


18 posted on 05/09/2012 9:21:49 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Olog-hai

are they going to have to pay for full time employees for those 2 to 6 hrs that the PO is open?....


19 posted on 05/09/2012 9:26:31 PM PDT by cherry
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To: OldPossum

“I just don’t understand why so many Freepers have a problem understanding the difference between “lose” and “loose” and yheir derivatives.

To save you the trouble of looking it up, the word you are looking for is “loser.” “


Thank yew, OP!


20 posted on 05/09/2012 9:29:21 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 52% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: GeronL
'It’d be easier to start with a blank canvass than try to “fix” the problems with government, post office, schools etc etc'

I entirely agree with that assessment. Start with bare earth. Now let's at least find a healthy plurality who would sacrifice what's needed to implement it. This almost-defunct society is woefully short of field generals who could rally the troops to that end.

"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

--H.L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920


21 posted on 05/09/2012 9:42:28 PM PDT by Viking2002 ( "I didn't just write 'Wango Tango'...........I MEANT it." - Ted Nugent)
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To: Viking2002

The enemy has too many ways to distract and divide for anyone to rally a good strong plurality it seems.


22 posted on 05/09/2012 10:06:32 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Blue Ink
Agree with everything you said.

I kind of like the Post Office. It doesn't seem like an extravagant spender to me. As I understand it the Post Office is not subsidized by taxpayers. And the price of a stamp has exactly followed inflation for many decades.

23 posted on 05/09/2012 10:35:39 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: GeronL
The enemy is made up of multiple factions of single-issue malcontents, all herded towards a common goal - a hive mentality devoid of individual will. It's that angle which must be exploited, but never is. There's a fundamental difference that puts us at a disadvantage, as painful as it is to admit: in their little Utopia, they don't have any guiding moral or ethical compass governing their decisions. It's expected of each sub-group of the hive to systematically attack the church, heterosexuality, capitalism, white European historical culture, etc. with the anticipated result of marginalizing it through propaganda as the primary oppressive force behind preventing Homo Sapiens from 'evolving'. We, on the other hand, moan and bitch and snipe at each other over which candidate is more of the walk-on-water, Reagan-esque savior we all want to 'deliver' us, and who simply doesn't exist (sorry, Peanut Gallery, Reagan is dead and he ain't coming back - GET A DAMNED GRIP ALREADY!); we debate about how to try to be more 'inclusive' to those who don't want a damned thing to do with us, and realistically shouldn't be allowed in our homes; we cow ourselves more and more frequently - publically and privately - while taking some measure of moral and spiritual solace behind standing up for our Christian ethics, and the conceit that 'being better people' than them is going to win the day. It all must be tossed to the wind, and we'll need to - imperatively must do - use the same gutter tactics, but on a level that they can't fathom, nor will be prepared for. They lit the fuse; if the keg ignites, we have to be prepared to retaliate in ways that send them screaming en masse back to the sewers. Then we have to have to fortitude to flush out the sewers. Let them cry racism, fascism, sexism, or whatever izzzzm they've taken linguistic hostage, and let it fall on our deaf ears. What we're looking at in 2012 is the culmination of smug 'high road' apathy on our parts. From the Obama regime to the Black Panthers to the TSA to the ACLU to Obamacare to every other point on the chart, we've allowed it to happen by being the 'nice guy'. If conservatives are the so-called 40% plurality in America, then we have a duty to put the so-called 20% of hard-core liberals in a position of perpetually crapping their pants when they joust with us. Liberalism, in any form - Communism, Socialism, Marxism, Humanism, Atheism - is by it's own definition incompatible with a constitutional republican form of government, and God-fearing men like Washington and Hamilton didn't fret over how the Almighty might view them if they put a stout club over the skull of anybody who threatened their concept of independence.

"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

--H.L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920


24 posted on 05/09/2012 11:25:53 PM PDT by Viking2002 ( "I didn't just write 'Wango Tango'...........I MEANT it." - Ted Nugent)
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To: Olog-hai
Why not just raise the postal rates to what other first world nations charge?

In both much smaller Britain and Japan, it costs almost $1 to send a first class letter. I would rather pay more for better service here rather than this endless race to the bottom. Indeed, I already pay far more than $1 to have mail that I care about sent and received.

25 posted on 05/10/2012 2:30:42 AM PDT by snowsislander (Please, America, no more dog-eating Kenyan cokeheads in the Oval Office.)
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To: bigbob
It is absolutely necessary to cut those offices and facilities and go to a reduced delivery schedule to make the USPS competitive

Not really. What's necessary is for Congress to reverse its decision of several years ago requiring the Post Office to prefund its pension account. If the USPS could fund its pensions like every other company in the US, it would save some $6 billion a year.

The rest could then be achieved by cutting office hours (say, from 8 to 6 hours a day) and through buy-outs of expensive employees replacing them with new, cheaper personnel.

26 posted on 05/10/2012 3:47:50 AM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: OldPossum
I just don't understand why so many Freepers have a problem understanding the difference between "lose" and "loose" and yheir derivatives.

My guess is that BOOBOO understands the difference. He may not have the same "formal" education you have, but he has the substance, just not the form you have. (btw, I didn't correct your typo)

27 posted on 05/10/2012 4:11:59 AM PDT by bobzeetwin
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To: Olog-hai

Let me guess, the hours will be when most taxpayers are working and only welfare queens can use the postoffices.


28 posted on 05/10/2012 4:18:24 AM PDT by monocle
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To: bobzeetwin

Look again. BOOBOO’s language does not suggest a lack of education. My point—and I do have one—is that many Freepers, with varying amounts of “erudition,” make this same error and it just puzzles me why they do.

And bless thee for not correcting my typo. Actually, I had seen it just a second after posting and was too lazy to make a correction.

And one more thing. One does not need a lot of formal education to learn how to spell. You should pick it up in grammar school and high school.


29 posted on 05/10/2012 5:40:17 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Blue Ink
This is a good decision. It would be a bad move to close rural post offices. We shouldn’t be making it harder for Americans to live in small towns and out in the country.

I would close the PO building, and make an arrangement to have part-time hours at the customer-service desk at the local supermarket. An intelligent post office would just hire one or two people who are already retired to work part time without benefits in the afternoons to accept packages and registered mail, and hold them in a secured area for the PO truck to pick up.

30 posted on 05/10/2012 5:52:04 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Olog-hai

Come on people! Read the story. The Senate wants to “refund” 11 billion dollars to the postal service. This is a Democrat dream....more money, less work.


31 posted on 05/10/2012 6:25:07 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: allmost
They have their hands tied. The USPS needs a retirement ‘cushion’ that is, to my knowledge, more stringent than any other on the planet.

Wow, a FReeper who actually knows what they're talking about. That's gotta be a first.

Seems to me that few FReepers realize how much an an essential part of the community these rural post offices are. Closing them is one more blow to rural America. Maybe Obama's "rural Council" will come up with an effective method of distributing the mail that prevents us from talking among ourselves and replace it with some Obama approved gossip.

Seems kind of odd to me that so many FReepers are willing to blame the rural offices that might have 1 or 2 (conservative leaning) employees while ignoring the wildly overstaffed urban offices full of your typical urban union liberals.

Back in 08 I was at a friend's house in town when his Obama button wearing mail carrier pulled up in the Jeep. The second mail carrier sat in the Jeep while the first mail carrier walked around the block. He got back to the Jeep drove another hundred yards to the next block where the other carrier got out and walked around his block.

Personally I would ditch the big sorting centers and hand that duty off to UPS and FedEx which already have their own terminals and let them deliver to the local post offices.

Lets not forget that the postal service hires vets first, every time.
32 posted on 05/10/2012 9:30:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Viking2002; Morgana

BUMP!

That is some post to digest.


33 posted on 05/10/2012 2:00:08 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: OldPossum
Look again. BOOBOO’s language does not suggest a lack of education. My point—and I do have one—is that many Freepers, with varying amounts of “erudition,” make this same error and it just puzzles me why they do.

I have returned from my days labor. No need for you and I to debate or discuss why some Freepers don't use the King's English in a manner suitable to you. I am not capable of battling with a polemicist who uses the word erudition instead of savvy. I was just trying to make the point that you understood what he was saying, even though you did not embrace his manner of saying it.

34 posted on 05/10/2012 5:51:41 PM PDT by bobzeetwin
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To: bobzeetwin

“Erudition” in that context is the correct word. “Savvy” would not be the word of choice. You can look it up.

And a good day to you, sir.


35 posted on 05/10/2012 6:27:56 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum
I looked it up as you requested. I used thesaurus.com

Main Entry: erudition  [er-yoo-dish-uhn, er-oo-] Show IPA Part of Speech: noun Definition: higher education Synonyms: bookishness, brains, cultivation, culture, enlightenment, intellectuality, knowledge, learnedness, learning, letters, literacy, lore, pedantry, refinement, savvy, scholarliness, scholarship, science, studiousness Antonyms: ignorance

36 posted on 05/10/2012 8:20:13 PM PDT by bobzeetwin
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To: bobzeetwin

I don’t know why I have to keep going over this same subject. “Erudition” (in the sense of “knowledge” and “higher education”) is precisely the word that should be used in my post. Look again at the list of definitions in your last post.

Here’s the post one more time:

“My point—and I do have one—is that many Freepers, with varying amounts of “erudition,” make this same error and it just puzzles me why they do.”

“Savvy” does not convey the meaning I had in mind.

Of course, I can understand BOOBOO’s post despite the misspelling. It’s just that I keep wondering why so many Freepers mistake “lose” and “loose.” These words, and a large number of other words that are spelled wrong, reflect badly on FR. They give the appearance of ignorance.

And why are you taking up his or her case? Why can’t he or she defend his or her case?


37 posted on 05/11/2012 8:00:17 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: cripplecreek

The small post offices in our rural area have just started migrating to this new shorter-hours system. I can tell you know this isn’t going to end pretty. At least not around here and I expect the nearest office to me will close before the years end.

First thing the managers did was push out all the permanent employees (postmasters) except carriers. Now, the offices are manned by contract employees, some who were previously Sat. only clerks. No insurance, no benefits, no incentive to stay either.

Believe me the unspoken objective is to CLOSE many of these rural offices. Putting inexperienced clerks in charge of these offices is not going to work. One person I know is already about to quit - they got the job b/c they only wanted a few hours of work a week. The former PM told me if they leave the managers will close the offices...Get the picture?

The carriers from three offices will be working out of a fourth which is no bigger than the other three tiny bldgs.

I just want to know when the all the fat-cat managers who thought up this brilliant idea, get the sack. Foolish move with no “Plan B” if these clerks decide to walk out.


38 posted on 08/06/2012 7:02:29 PM PDT by Gasshog (Tragically,Obama ate the blue dog...)
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