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Why Jews Hate Guns
JPFO website ^ | May 9, 2012 | Alan Korwin and Rabbi Dovid Bendory

Posted on 05/09/2012 10:32:55 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright

It’s no secret that one of the largest blocs of people pressing for so-called “gun control” is the culturally (aka not-so-religious) American Jewish community. This confounds many observers who would expect that Jews, with such a stunning history of oppression and murder by humanity’s villains, would cling tenaciously to personal firearms and the ability to protect themselves as the Hebrew Scriptures instruct.

In reaction to the Holocaust, American Jews adopted the phrase “Never Again!” If actions mean anything, they don’t believe it. That’s for someone else to do. How do Jews expect to put teeth behind the words “Never Again!” if not with the ability to apply and project personal force when righteous -- and necessary -- for survival?

Why then do so many American Jews hate guns and fear gun ownership so much?

Our research identifies ten reasons why these Jews feel the way they do about self defense in general, firearms specifically and your own right to keep and bear arms.

(Excerpt) Read more at jpfo.org ...


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KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; guns; jewishliberalism; jews; jpfo; liberals
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1 posted on 05/09/2012 10:32:59 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright
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To: Neil E. Wright

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2 posted on 05/09/2012 10:36:06 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Neil E. Wright

What a pile of gobbledygook. Jews are liberals before they are Jews and even before they are Americans. There is a belief in a utopian state “of things”, and if an all-powerful government is required to enforce a utopian state, then so be it. Oops, that didn’t work out so well last time, did it? This type of short-sightedness is my own embarassment for my fellow co-religionists or whatever the word is.


3 posted on 05/09/2012 10:44:43 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walk into a bar. Bartender says "what'll it be, Mitt?")
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To: Neil E. Wright

I have never understood Jewish American Liberalism.

In Israel, they design good guns and don’t take no crap.


4 posted on 05/09/2012 10:45:54 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Mases Could Be Farts)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Besides a good percentage of American Jews embrace socialism, a mind set what caused many of them to end up in concentration camps, something I never could understand. I would have thought that perhaps by now most of them would have learned their lesson. I am not a Jew myself, but I am well familiar with their history and I like what a true Jew stands for and I always have and will continue to root for the Jewish State of Israel.


5 posted on 05/09/2012 10:46:54 PM PDT by saintgermaine
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To: mylife
I have never understood Jewish American Liberalism.

Here is the reason:

There are no cowboys named Goldstein... And I am almost serious.

6 posted on 05/09/2012 10:50:27 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Neil E. Wright
If you are looking for reason in gun control, there is only one that makes sense, for the left. The desire to strip others of guns is part of a plan to seize government and rule without the consent of the governed. It's not a Jewish fear of guns to wonder, it is a leftist pragmatic means to succeed. That's it. the only rational reason. All the rest is psychological mumbo jumbo.

The authors of the Second Amendment were very clear. They coupled two ideas. The right of the people to keep and bear arms and the necessity of a militia for a free state. It doesn't say anything about hunting or collecting antiques; it's about the distribution of power to the people. They saw the left and its many variations coming a long time ago.

7 posted on 05/09/2012 10:51:29 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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Then again, I don’t Understand American Christian Liberals.


8 posted on 05/09/2012 10:51:56 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Mases Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
American Christian Liberals

As a Christian myself....can there even BE such a thing? Seriously...

9 posted on 05/09/2012 10:53:08 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: roamer_1

There are plenty of Achh Barts


10 posted on 05/09/2012 10:54:15 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Mases Could Be Farts)
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To: Neil E. Wright
8. Adulterated religion -- Jews In Name Only (JINOs)

The above section of the article is the heart of the matter. Korwin and the Rabbi still tip-toe around the real problem - the fact that in the United States, the *majority* of Reform Jews have abandoned their religion and supplanted it with "social justice".

Pro-LGBT, pro-abortion, pro-amnesty, anti-gun - it's all part of what now passes for their "faith". Take a look.

11 posted on 05/09/2012 10:54:57 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Not in my mind, but here I am in the USA, surrounded.


12 posted on 05/09/2012 10:55:49 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Mases Could Be Farts)
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To: Charles Martel

Indoctrination.


13 posted on 05/09/2012 11:01:45 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Mases Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

I know....it was sort of a rhetorical question...


14 posted on 05/09/2012 11:01:51 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Brad's Gramma
It's a dilly of a pickle of a problem ☺
15 posted on 05/09/2012 11:03:04 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Mases Could Be Farts)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I hear you. Liberal Jews have this problem of embracing those who screw us and screwing those who embrace us. When I was growing up in the Bronx, registering as a democrat was as sacrosanct as Bar/Bat Mitzvahs and circumcisions. Back then being a dem meant something, We have nothing to fear but fear itself, The buck stops here, Ask not what your country can do for you. My parents switched parties around the same time Pres Reagan did, and for the reason, they didn’t leave the party, the party left them.


16 posted on 05/09/2012 11:03:49 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

“it never ceases to amaze me to have to explain to a Jew why he should should have ready access to a firearm”

-a phrase I have used countless times when discussing gun control with workmates, friends, etc.


17 posted on 05/09/2012 11:09:52 PM PDT by 4buttons
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To: saintgermaine

I am Jewish and you are going to be shocked at how many Jews are going to vote against Obama. It will be historical. Mark my words.


18 posted on 05/09/2012 11:12:23 PM PDT by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesHill not text while dri)
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To: mylife

In Israel, Jews are fighting for their lives.

In the US, liberal Jews are fighting for their Brie.

Some of us are armed, pro-guns, and have used them, including my son in Iraq, my late editor’s son in Israel (KIA), and a whole bunch of Jewish soldiers in Vietnam.

As a Russian Jewish emigre’ once told me about those Jews who didn’t view the Soviets as our enemies, “We too have our asses.” That applies to too many American Jews re Iran, Red China, Hugo Chavez, and the Palestinians.

The leftism of liberal Jews and some conservative Jews is due mainly to the success of Communist propaganda in the US over the past 90 years. They convinced a lot of people who hated the Czar that communists were their saviors and a whole bunch of people bought it, hook, line, and sickle. And still do, esp. in academia.

However, some are finally waking up and the shift will be noticeable in November.


19 posted on 05/09/2012 11:20:42 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Hildy
Sorry, hit the wrong button ....

From your keyboard to G*d's inbox!

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20 posted on 05/09/2012 11:21:33 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An OATH is FOREVER OathKeeper III We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: Brad's Gramma

>> As a Christian myself....can there even BE such a thing [as a Christian liberal]?

Are you kidding? I have been to services (weddings, baptisms and such) at little rural Catholic churches in the middle of nowhere. The homily that the priest delivered would make Bill Ayers proud. Full of venom aimed at evil corporations, climate change deniers, the “rich”, “bigots” who can’t stomach homos, @etc. You’d think the good father’s next appointment was to Occupy The Little Courthouse In The Sleepy Town Square!


21 posted on 05/09/2012 11:21:53 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Impala64ssa

But the truth is...it made a little bit of sense then, for Jews to be liberal. The arts, helping the poor, charity. Being the underdog and making common cause with other underdogs. Now that worldwide anti-Semitism is apparently staging an alarming comeback, amazingly, only a snippet more diffuse than before WW2 yet arguably far more dangerous now with the arming and sophistication of pan-Arabism, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, now, for Jews to be libs. Yet overwhelmingly, they are.

Jews never castigated FDR for refusing to bomb rail lines leading to the concentration camps. Instead, Jews identified with the more collectivist movement that the early union movement embodied. Jews embraced America, and despite their difficult times in early 20th century US, came to embrace the utopian part of the American dream. I am of course oversimplifying. I grew up in NJ, not far from where you grew up. Voting Republican, those rich white guys, was unthinkable.

My parents were hardcore Dems until they died. It was genetically engrained in them. Despite their relatively high level of education, they didn’t know that the Dem party was the party of the KKK. They didn’t know Lincoln (a great man by any measure) was a Republican. These facts did not register. To them, all Republicans were Barry Goldwater types who wouldn’t let them into their country clubs. Not that they played golf or even were members of any other country club. It was just a well developed habit pattern borne of utter ignorance of historical fact. It was all based on this weird mishmosh of “lore”. Tribal lore, is all I can call it. That evangelical Christians might try to convert people was a worse thing than Arabs trying to slaughter people, to slit their throats. Amazing. Someone talking to you, sure, with an agenda, maybe an agenda you reject yet can walk away from or ignore, that’s more threatening than someone with a gun up your nose ready to blow your brains out.

(American) Jews act out of a complete reverence for utopianism. The world should be perfect. The underdog should be given a chance. If the underdog robs me and beats me, it’s only because he’s still an underdog after all this time and we just have to keep trying to help them. I just haven’t done enough.


22 posted on 05/09/2012 11:27:57 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walk into a bar. Bartender says "what'll it be, Mitt?")
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

The Jews have forgotten that they themselves are the most at risk underdogs.


23 posted on 05/09/2012 11:51:57 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Nervous Tick

Ugh.

:(


24 posted on 05/09/2012 11:54:20 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Well said.If the underdog robs me and beats me, it’s only because he’s still an underdog after all this time and we just have to keep trying to help them. I just haven’t done enough.Fear of envy. Dr. Jack Wheeler. Liberal fear of envy.
25 posted on 05/09/2012 11:56:10 PM PDT by tommix2 (,)
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To: Hildy
I am Jewish and you are going to be shocked at how many Jews are going to vote against Obama. It will be historical. Mark my words.

What kind of range do you speculate, 20 to 40%, 50%?

26 posted on 05/10/2012 12:10:31 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Obama, Romney,"Eurasia" "Eastasia" "Oceania" I can't keep up with the players anymore.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

btrl


28 posted on 05/10/2012 12:24:55 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

He does not believe that does not live according to his belief .
Fuller, Thomas


29 posted on 05/10/2012 1:03:42 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: fella
Those who forget history are doomed to relive it.

The only place under Nazi rule the jews had a chance was Warsaw where Jews did not surrender their Guns to the Nazi's.

30 posted on 05/10/2012 2:00:41 AM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: ansel12; Hildy
What kind of range do you speculate, 20 to 40%, 50%?

If just the NY diasporan Jews in FL would wake up to that level, the whole election could turn there. I just spent a few days in Orlando and other points north of there and was amazed how the real estate market is still so far down there with multiple strip malls/shops empty. Guess they got the hopey/changey they voted for...

31 posted on 05/10/2012 2:19:32 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Hildy

I pray so! I long to see depressed anchor-liberals on Election Night.


32 posted on 05/10/2012 3:18:20 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Hildy

Hildy, I pray you are correct.


33 posted on 05/10/2012 3:22:20 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: saintgermaine
a good percentage of American Jews embrace socialism

The Jewish State of Israel was founded by socialists, has oppressive government, high taxes, free healthcare, runs communes even.

Jews seem to enjoy conflict, possibly seeking it out for entertainment purposes. Jews like being lawyers and the constant battle between sides that entails. They enjoy living in the Middle East surrounded by enemies. It's high drama and they usually win the game. But being in the ring, they like guns not being involved. They want it to be a battle of wits, words, and rules, not armed opponents which are too random and unpredictable, in other words not fun to deal with.

35 posted on 05/10/2012 3:52:44 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Neil E. Wright

Similar to the reason Black women want to be fat. Skinny and fit reminds them of when they were slaves. ;>)


36 posted on 05/10/2012 4:20:14 AM PDT by wolfcreek (‘closed eye’ mentality is the reason for our current reality)
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To: roamer_1
Maybe no Goldsteins, but there is Avram...


37 posted on 05/10/2012 4:20:49 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: mylife
In Israel, they design good guns and don’t take no crap.

And they understand the what it means to say “Never Again”.

38 posted on 05/10/2012 4:45:51 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: mylife
In Israel, they design good guns and don’t take no crap.

And they understand what it means to say “Never Again”.

39 posted on 05/10/2012 4:46:25 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: mylife
The majority of American Jews are mostly liberal because many of the people who refused to hire them, associate with, or who discriminated against them were the rich, east coast elitists who were mostly Republican "conservatives." Of course, the Klan and other hate groups who were mostly composed of Democrats also oppressed Jews, but their numbers were a lot less where most Jews lived: large, northern cities.

So many early Jewish immigrants identified rich (and not so rich) Republicans as their oppressors. I would think that image has never changed, even as many Jews moved into the ranks of the well-off.

40 posted on 05/10/2012 5:12:42 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Neil E. Wright

A new word for me -

shomrim - The watchful. The unobserved guardian.


41 posted on 05/10/2012 5:41:46 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

“To them, all Republicans were Barry Goldwater types who wouldn’t let them into their country clubs.”

Barry Goldwater? What kind of name is Goldwater?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may98/goldwater30.htm

Barry Morris Goldwater was born in Phoenix on New Year’s Day, 1909, three years before Arizona was admitted to the Union. He was the eldest son of Baron and Josephine Williams Goldwater, and the grandson of “Big Mike” Goldwasser, a Jewish immigrant from an area of Poland that was then ruled by the Russian czars. Although Jewish on his father’s side, Mr. Goldwater was raised in the Episcopalian tradition of his mother.

“Big Mike” Goldwasser left Poland at the age of 14 and went first to London, then to California and, in 1859, to Arizona where with his brother, Joe, operated a trading and mercantile operation in Prescott. In 1896, Baron Goldwater — the surname had long since been Anglicized — opened a branch of the family business, M. Goldwater & Sons, in Phoenix. The Goldwater stores would remain in family hands until 1962


42 posted on 05/10/2012 5:56:53 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil
Although Jewish on his father’s side, Mr. Goldwater was raised in the Episcopalian tradition of his mother.

Unless someone has a Jewish mother, they aren't Jewish. Children usually inherit their brain DNA from their mother, their ambition from their father. It isn't a 50/50 combination. The DNA machinery selects only DNA from the mother for some things, only DNA from the father for others. Nature uses females as the genetic baseline for brains, and expendable males for experiments. Consider Barky's source of brains and his source of ambition.

43 posted on 05/10/2012 6:40:37 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: driftless2

There is an element of truth in that.


44 posted on 05/10/2012 7:42:17 AM PDT by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesHill not text while dri)
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To: Hildy
I used to read a lot of novels in my younger years, and most of them were written by Jewish writers like Bellow, Mailer, Roth, Malamud, Heller, and others. I remember in particular reading Roth's "Portnoy's Complaint" and the resentment Alexander Portnoy had for the rich WASPs and Republicans in general. One revealing passage was one where Portnoy was campaigning door-to-door for Stevenson and he mentions the "narrow, pinched faces" of the people in the Republican houses he knocked on. The book (incidentally, one of the funniest books ever) was littered with snide remarks about white Republicans. He even had sex with the daughter of one rich Republican just to get revenge. Now Roth might be an extreme example, but it shows that feeling was not uncommon among a lot of Jews who lived in those times. Probably, a lot of the feelings were justified given the casual racist and bigoted attitudes of many Americans towards Jews, Blacks, and even non-Protestant whites in those years.

I was raised Catholic, and there was still a lot of resentment of Catholics when Kennedy got elected. A Protestant neighbor asked me one time if my parents had to vote for Kennedy because we were Catholic. I was only ten at the time, and I told her I didn't think so. Attitudes sure have changed (mostly) for the better since then. The people who were accused of being racist and bigoted then (conservatives) are now less bigoted and racist than today's liberals. What a turnaround.

45 posted on 05/10/2012 8:43:21 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

“The Jews have forgotten that they themselves are the most at risk underdogs.”

Now as much or more than ever.


46 posted on 05/10/2012 8:45:22 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walk into a bar. Bartender says "what'll it be, Mitt?")
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To: Neil E. Wright

The list in the articled is by no means a strictly Jewish phenomenon.


47 posted on 05/10/2012 8:57:06 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: driftless2

Roth was a prime example of mid century Jewish thought. But they are dying off.


48 posted on 05/10/2012 9:32:19 AM PDT by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesHill not text while dri)
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To: driftless2

Roth was a prime example of mid century Jewish thought. But they are dying off.


49 posted on 05/10/2012 9:32:19 AM PDT by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesHill not text while dri)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

“< snip > It was just a well developed habit pattern borne of utter ignorance of historical fact. It was all based on this weird mishmosh of “lore”. Tribal lore, is all I can call it. That evangelical Christians might try to convert people was a worse thing than Arabs trying to slaughter people, to slit their throats. Amazing. Someone talking to you, sure, with an agenda, maybe an agenda you reject yet can walk away from or ignore, that’s more threatening than someone with a gun up your nose ready to blow your brains out.”

I think you hit on part of it here.

For generations following the Diaspora, Jews settled in a given region at the behest of the local king or prince, who usually welcomed them for their commercial skill and intellectual ability, but would expel them in a heartbeat if they became more problematic or “inconvenient” than they were worth.

They were under the “protection” of the local ruler, yet there would still be pogroms once in a while. Sometimes they erupted outside of the local lord’s control, other times with his tacit approval...either to allow the locals to vent steam and direct their frustration away from its real cause (their rulers), or to quietly remind the Jews who was in charge. Being a tiny percent of the population, they stood no chance of successfully standing up against their distrusting/resentful neighbors...and, I’m sure, over generations many of those who were genetically inclined to fight and resist were eliminated.

Centuries of living like this, in my opinion, served to breed a sense of servility and helplessness into European Jewish culture.

Consider the old story of why the circus elephant can’t pull the stake holding its chains out of the ground...everything in its whole life, from infancy, told it that it couldn’t be done, indeed it was dangerous to try.

Likewise, generations of living as a minority, dependent on the goodwill of the local king and knowing that your neighbors would wipe you and your family out given the chance, bred a sense of “obey and depend on your earthly rulers, don’t even THINK of standing up to threats on your own” into European Jewish culture, and has passed it down to today’s generations.


50 posted on 05/10/2012 9:43:58 AM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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