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Why Senator Dick Lugar is Out
Townhall.com ^ | May 10, 2012 | Jeff Carter

Posted on 05/10/2012 6:11:59 AM PDT by Kaslin

Indiana Republican Senator Dick Lugar lost his primary bid yesterday. The spin is amazing.

Obama is spinning it to frame the new Republican party as uncompromising. The reality is the opposite. Republicans have been compromising for years. It’s the Democrats that don’t compromise. Fortunately for Republicans, I think that Democrats will lose the spin wars, and are totally misreading the election.

The spin is designed to try and get any one in the middle, if there is truly such a thing.

The liberal Chicago Tribune misses the point as well, and shows it is really good at eating from the Axelrod spoon that feeds them. Lugar lost not because he compromised on issues like national security and foreign policy. Lugar lost because he compromised on financial issues. He also has been there for 36 years. 36 years. Maybe it’s time for new thinking? A seat in Congress isn’t a permanent position.

The big issues this campaign are going to be Obamacare and how a candidate voted on financial issues. The Democratic Senate candidate from Indiana voted for Obamacare, for all the bailouts, and for higher spending and taxes. That is directly opposed from the mood held by the majority of the national electorate. Social issues take a back seat when you can’t find a job.

The Tea Party from its inception has been about fiscal accountability. Stop spending. No where do you see social issues, or foreign policy issues at the forefront of a Tea Party meeting. The old Republican lions of the Senate and House are being retired because they are out of step with this new line of thinking illustrated by people like Paul Ryan.

Trent Lott is now lobbying for a treaty that he firmly opposed as a sitting Senator. He will say his thinking evolved. However, I just think his checkbook evolved. Today’s electorate wants people that stand firm on principles-fiscal restraint principles being at the forefront.

Lugar hasn’t had a recent voting record that was stellar when it came to conservative fiscal principles. You can’t talk a good game and not vote a good game. The US is close to a financial cliff. The net present value tables of future liabilities are unbending. Unless we stop profligate spending now, we are doomed.

Lugar’s Republican opponent Richard Mourdock has said he will be a fiscal conservative if elected. I hope he gets elected so we will have a chance to find out. Sometimes politicians change their tune once they get into office. They worry about re-election rather than the things they campaigned on. We know his opponent isn’t a fiscal conservative.

This is a nationwide phenomena. Michigan has a Republican governor and legislature. In Wisconsin, Governor Scott Walker has followed through on campaign promises and is popular with a majority of the electorate. Yesterday, in the recall primary election Walker received more votes than his Democratic rivals. It will be a tough fight, but I think Walker will keep his seat as Governor of Wisconsin. That’s a good thing because one of the major fiscal problems our country, states and cities have is public employee unions.

UPDATE

On a different but similar vein, I am in favor of term limits for all elected officials.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 05/10/2012 6:12:01 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Because Lugar called himself a Republican but is really a democrat =liberal/socialist, corrupt, marxist, liar.


2 posted on 05/10/2012 6:14:07 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 3 years. China makes everything taking U.S. ability to manufacture)
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To: Kaslin
He lost because he didn't get as many votes as Mourdock.

He didn't get as many votes as Mourdock because he's an @$$hole.

3 posted on 05/10/2012 6:16:09 AM PDT by OKSooner (Never take a "known safety risk" shooting with you even if he is an ordained minister.)
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To: Kaslin
Social issues take a back seat when you can’t find a job.

This is true and it will apply to Obama's flip-flop on gay marriage also. The effect will be largely moot, even with young people, IMHO.

4 posted on 05/10/2012 6:18:24 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: Kaslin

Lugar showed exactly why he lost in his “loser” speech.

He said that his opponent would have to ‘revise’ his stance on being hardline conservative, in order to “get things done” in washington.

1) his opponent WON by taking a hardline stance- why should he ‘revise’ the issue? THAT IS WHY HE WON

2) to ‘revise’ your stance after you are elected is the same as “lying to the voters” THAT IS WHY YOU LOST

3) you have been in office 36 years- WHILE THESE PROBLEMS HAPPENED - you WERE PART OF THE PROBLEM, Loser- i mean Lugar


5 posted on 05/10/2012 6:18:36 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: Kaslin

I have made the point about “comprimise” many times to aquaintences. It’s always the GOP that “comprimises”. It’s all about “fairness” for liberals. They think that any Idea, no matter how outlandish, needs to be respected.


6 posted on 05/10/2012 6:19:47 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: wayoverontheright
This is true and it will apply to Obama's flip-flop on gay marriage also. The effect will be largely moot, even with young people, IMHO.

I have been unemployed and I don't recall that experience making me more socially liberal at all.

7 posted on 05/10/2012 6:20:32 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rurgan
Because Lugar called himself a Republican but is really a democrat =liberal/socialist, corrupt, marxist, liar.

And he called himself an Hoosier, but was really a Washingtonian who occasionally visited relatives back in Indiana.

8 posted on 05/10/2012 6:22:51 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: Kaslin

You know, when I was growing up, government employees and teachers made modest salaries. Now they are pigs at the trough.

Hey, there is a reason and a certain grace to living within one’s means.


9 posted on 05/10/2012 6:25:51 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Mr. K

no one cares about “getting things done” Dickie boy. they care about holding the line. Oh maybe the military allusion is lost on a genius like you.


10 posted on 05/10/2012 6:29:32 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: KarlInOhio

I’m happy that creep Lugar is out! Finally some good news!


11 posted on 05/10/2012 6:30:15 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 3 years. China makes everything taking U.S. ability to manufacture)
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To: KarlInOhio

Those intolerant, small-minded Indiana Republicans decided they wanted to be represented by someone who actually lives in Indiana.


12 posted on 05/10/2012 6:30:56 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Kaslin
The liberal Chicago Tribune misses the point as well, and shows it is really good at eating from the Axelrod spoon that feeds them.

This in itself speaks volumes. 'Da Trib' was once a conscientious Conservative newspaper. Col. McCormick must be spinning in his grave.

13 posted on 05/10/2012 6:34:15 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Kaslin

Thumbing your nose at the people who gave you your job will sooner or later cost you.Buh-by Lugar,won’t miss you.


14 posted on 05/10/2012 6:36:04 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Kaslin

The democrats are falling all over themselves to tell us what a foolish move it is to send Lugar packing.

That alone shows us it is the right thing to do.


15 posted on 05/10/2012 6:36:20 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: Mr. K

Think you nailed it - ‘good’.


16 posted on 05/10/2012 6:52:48 AM PDT by cricket (Calling Marco Rubio; Allen West. . .because they are NOT afraid. And neither was/is Newt. . .)
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To: Kaslin

As an Indiana voter I can give many reasons why he was (finally!) kicked out of office. He did not have a recorded residential address in the county (Marion) he was ‘registered’ to vote in; County Republican chairmen would ask him to attend various gatherings and his office would arrogantly tell them he doesn’t have to do them anymore; he was more interested in cow-towing to the globalist United Nations AND DEMOCRATS then visiting the State (and voters) who sent him to set in his lofty Senate seat; his own arrogance and holier-than-thou attitude FINALLY got him canned and Indiana, (no matter how the November election goes) is now much better off for it!


17 posted on 05/10/2012 7:02:16 AM PDT by CORYDON
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To: OKSooner
Lugar is far from an @$$hole. I don't know anyone who ever met him who wasn't impressed by his polite courtesy...and that polite courtesy got him elected, and re-elected, six times.

As long as we thought that Dick Lugar was a charming Hoosier, we tolerated his penchant for caving in to the Washington statists. The discovery that Lugar, in fact, really didn't live in Indiana (and even went so far as to charge taxpayers for his hotel rooms when he came to visit)tore the scab off his liberal voting record.

18 posted on 05/10/2012 7:15:18 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Kaslin

Just the tip of the iceberg...More rinos to follow.


19 posted on 05/10/2012 7:23:27 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Kaslin

20 posted on 05/10/2012 7:26:45 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Mr. K

I honestly hate these establishment RINOS worse than the liberals. The RINOs are the cancer within the GOP and they all need to pack up and retire. They had a good run, but time for the conservatives to rise to power and leave the compromising politicians for the history books.


21 posted on 05/10/2012 8:09:58 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: rurgan

You can’t talk that way about “Richard Nixon’s favorite mayor.” People in IN might vote him out, oh, they surprised us and did vote him out.


22 posted on 05/10/2012 9:45:42 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

If people in Cali or New York want to elect RINOs, that’s their business. Why do they insist everyone else do the same?


23 posted on 05/10/2012 9:53:51 AM PDT by steve8714 (God bless those in uniform, who labor for true peace.)
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To: Kaslin

I noticed a header that sked “Is The Tea Party Back?” It never left. The GOP elite, however, has left the Conservative base and will sit up and take notice or be Lugarized.


24 posted on 05/10/2012 10:16:20 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Mr. K

Frankly, the stuff they “get done in Washington” is the CRAP we are trying to stop.

Go away Lugar. Do us all a favor and keep us from paying more tax dollars in the form a pension and off yourself you self-centered, egotistical A$$HOLE!


25 posted on 05/10/2012 3:18:41 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useless and useful idiots.)
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To: rurgan

Marxist? Really?


26 posted on 05/10/2012 3:23:08 PM PDT by x
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To: Mr. Lucky
" The discovery that Lugar, in fact, really didn't live in Indiana (and even went so far as to charge taxpayers for his hotel rooms when he came to visit)tore the scab off his liberal voting record.

Well... now that you call me on it I'll have to admit that I've never met the guy, but around here a politician who would keep a home in D.C. and not his home state, and then charge his constituents for his hotel bill when visiting would be a good example of an "@-word".

Your call, though, he's your soon to be ex-senator.

27 posted on 05/10/2012 4:01:31 PM PDT by OKSooner (Never take a "known safety risk" shooting with you even if he is an ordained minister.)
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To: Mr. Lucky
...his penchant for caving in to the Washington statists.... (and even went so far as to charge taxpayers for his hotel rooms when he came to visit)...

You Hoosiers have a very peculiar idea of "polite courtesy."

28 posted on 05/10/2012 5:12:43 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Theodore R.

Good for them that they did vote Lugar out. Many of these politicians ( ALL democrats included) have sold out America. These politicians and our own government(s) are the enemy of the people. But this is a great victory for freedom, voting this cretin Lugar out.


29 posted on 05/11/2012 12:24:40 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 3 years. China makes everything taking U.S. ability to manufacture)
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To: x

Marixms, Yes what would you call Lugar’s ( and all democrats) favoring that government do so many things?


30 posted on 05/11/2012 12:26:02 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 3 years. China makes everything taking U.S. ability to manufacture)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Being unfortunately situated between Ohio and Illinois, we Hoosiers have learned to exhibit a facade of civil courtesy to those with whom we disagree.


31 posted on 05/11/2012 8:29:10 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky; All
"The discovery that Lugar, in fact, really didn't live in Indiana (and even went so far as to charge
taxpayers for his hotel rooms when he came to visit) tore the scab off his liberal voting record."
*whissssstle*
HE DID THAT!...the incredible hubris of these liberal politicians.

32 posted on 05/11/2012 9:41:44 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA. DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; different flie$". :^)
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To: rurgan
Marixms, Yes what would you call Lugar’s ( and all democrats) favoring that government do so many things?

Politics as usual?

Marxism: the system of economic and political thought developed by Karl Marx, along with Friedrich Engels, especially the doctrine that the state throughout history has been a device for the exploitation of the masses by a dominant class, that class struggle has been the main agency of historical change, and that the capitalist system, containing from the first the seeds of its own decay, will inevitably, after the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat, be superseded by a socialist order and a classless society.

C'mon. Is that what's in Lugar's head?

33 posted on 05/11/2012 2:21:12 PM PDT by x
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To: x
If you believe that government is the solution to most of our problems then you are a Marxist. And this Lugar Creature and all democrats certainly believe that and so they are Marxists.

I believe in the Republican President Ronald Reagan Quote “Government is not the solution to our problems . Government IS the problem”.

34 posted on 05/18/2012 5:14:02 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: rurgan
If you believe that government is the solution to most of our problems then you are a Marxist.

That might be statism or socialism, but without the class struggle, the materialistic interpretation of history, the dialectic, the expropriation of private property, the withering away of the state and all the other Marxist concepts, it's not Marxism.

And this Lugar Creature and all democrats certainly believe that and so they are Marxists.

Lugar was in politics. Government is what he knows. So it's what he concerned himself with. That doesn't mean he didn't value private property and free enterprise, any more than a soldier or policeman doesn't value private property or free enterprise because he works for the government.

Lugar voted for tax cuts, against the stimulus, and against Obama's health care plan. He voted to cut out some programs and initiate others -- anybody in politics who's halfway responsible would. Lugar may have been wrong on guns or abortion or immigration, but that doesn't make him a Marxist.

I believe in the Republican President Ronald Reagan Quote “Government is not the solution to our problems . Government IS the problem”.

Fuller quote:

In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we've been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. Well, if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else? All of us together, in and out of government, must bear the burden.

Reagan wasn't an anarchist, not even a libertarian. He found common ground with Richard Lugar and was able to work with him.

"Dick Lugar has earned my personal respect. A man of matchless honesty and integrity, and perhaps the Senate's leading intellect. He took on some of the toughest assignments we had, and he was there with solid advice whenever I needed it. He is a great Hoosier and a great American." -- Ronald Reagan

35 posted on 05/19/2012 8:11:41 AM PDT by x
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To: x
Reagan:
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.

Me: In 99% of the crises, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.

I'd think Reagan agreed with me and do you agree with me?

I think socialism and marxism are one and the same . but you admit Lugar is a socialist. I just believe all democrat politicians and most of the politicians are corrupt Marxist bastards ( to paraphrase a Sarah Palin Quote) What is her exact quote ?

36 posted on 05/22/2012 9:57:32 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: x
Sorry but all these ideologies were created to confuse us.

The fact is that socialism = comuunism = Marxism = liberalism = progressivism = democrats or progressives or whatever label they say to confuse us . They are all just damn communists.End of story.

This is how they change terms like global warming changes to climate change, how communist changes to liberal to progressive etc.

37 posted on 05/22/2012 10:04:15 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: rurgan
socialism = comuunism = Marxism = liberalism = progressivism = democrats or progressives

Let me help you by putting them in chronological order:

European communism (Thomas More, Utopia, 1516), European socialism (1820s), U.S. Democrat Party (1830s), then Marxism (Marx and Engels, 1848), then progressivism (in the U.S., 1890s to WWI), then liberalism (crypto-progressives and crypto-communists in late 20s coming out of the closet with FDR), then the neo-socialists, neo-marxist, and neo-progressives of today.

They aren't all equivalent. But most of them claim to want to "reform" society (that is, make it into their idea of paradise). Most of the crap in which we are mired today is directly because of them. And most of them result in a society they claim they want to liberate from special interests being enslaved to special interests run by them.
38 posted on 05/22/2012 10:24:25 AM PDT by aruanan
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