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Man kills intruder, accidentally shoots wife(MI)
wndu.com ^ | 9 May, 2012 | AP

Posted on 05/10/2012 7:32:56 AM PDT by marktwain

A 64-year-old homeowner says he was forced to empty his .45-caliber handgun while shooting at one of two men who broke into his northwest Detroit home.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; home; mi
Very breif excerpt for AP.
1 posted on 05/10/2012 7:33:01 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I bet she’s probably ok with it


2 posted on 05/10/2012 7:35:46 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: marktwain
It sounds like he did the best he could under the circumstances.

He had a very narrow window of opportunity to take control of the situation, and he had to shoot while his wife was in a headlock and the other perp was menacing him.

Any delay, and the two perps would have been in control.

Too bad the second perp didn't slice open his jugular vein while diving through the glass window.

3 posted on 05/10/2012 7:38:17 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? Seriously? You're that dense?)
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To: marktwain

Needs more time at the range. Still, though messy, he got the job done. Unfortunate one of them escaped.


4 posted on 05/10/2012 7:38:51 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: marktwain

Not bad for a 64 year old in a high stress situation with a .45 Auto. Those 1911’s are hard to master anyway if that’s what it was.

They would probably both be dead now if he hadn’t acted.


5 posted on 05/10/2012 7:42:38 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Liberalism: Carrying adolescent values and behavior into adult life.)
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To: yldstrk

Wife was treated at the local hospital and released. Far better outcome than what the perps had in mind.


6 posted on 05/10/2012 7:44:44 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: marktwain

My gut tells me that she’ll forgive him.


7 posted on 05/10/2012 7:46:06 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: another casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: headstamp 2

“Those 1911’s are hard to master anyway if that’s what it was.”

Smoothest and easiest gun in the world to shoot.


8 posted on 05/10/2012 7:49:04 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: CodeToad

I think the .45 is really hard to shoot, darn thing is too big


9 posted on 05/10/2012 7:52:09 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: headstamp 2
Those 1911’s are hard to master anyway if that’s what it was.

The trick to the .45 Auto is to manhandle it and don't be dainty. Use both hands and keep both eyes open and empty the mag on target. It'll get 'er done. Just remember it is not a finesse weapon.

10 posted on 05/10/2012 7:53:10 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Springman; sergeantdave; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; ...
Detroit, saving itself one round at a time.

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11 posted on 05/10/2012 7:54:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: yldstrk

It’s one of the smallest pistols out there, by far the slimmmest.


12 posted on 05/10/2012 7:55:05 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: CodeToad

““Those 1911’s are hard to master anyway if that’s what it was.”

Smoothest and easiest gun in the world to shoot.”

You beat me to it. I don’t own one but I’ve shot some really nice ones and they are easy, and fun, to shoot. My Gen4 Glock G22 is pretty easy to shoot too and holds 16 rounds.


13 posted on 05/10/2012 7:55:50 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: CodeToad

oh well i am thinking of the .45 I had to practice at the range with in the Army. Impossible to shoot


14 posted on 05/10/2012 7:56:17 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Maybe as a younger you that pistol seemed so big and powerful. Other than compact pistols like small revolvers and pocket pistols the 1911 is one of the smallest pistols out there, certainly one of the smallest automatics.


15 posted on 05/10/2012 7:58:35 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: yldstrk

Just curious, had you ever shot a handgun before then? When I say it’s easy to shoot I mean compared to my .40s, 357 Magnum, 44 Magnum. It does recoil but it’s very manageable for the size of the cartridge and bullet.


16 posted on 05/10/2012 7:59:27 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: MtBaldy

I only weigh 100 pounds.......maybe that had something to do with it

I have shot other handguns since that are way way easier, not a clunky and that you don’t have to wrestle with, but I am not by any means or stretch of the imagination an expert, far from it


17 posted on 05/10/2012 8:02:15 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: MtBaldy

I agree, I have the Colt 10mm Delta Elite and the best thing I like about it is I can get my hand around it and control it so well compared to the wider staggered magazine grips like the Beretta and Glock.

The 1911 frame is my favorite of any full size automatics I have ever handled, 101 years and still among the best there is.


18 posted on 05/10/2012 8:09:19 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: yldstrk

“I only weigh 100 pounds.......maybe that had something to do with it”

I guess it might. I’m 6’ and 250 lbs and have catcher’s mitts for hands.


19 posted on 05/10/2012 8:09:19 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: yldstrk

those range pistols were so worn out you could stand in a barn and not hit a wall. Try one that has been worked on by a good gun smith. The are smooth and bad.


20 posted on 05/10/2012 8:13:54 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
He had a very narrow window of opportunity to take control of the situation, and he had to shoot while his wife was in a headlock and the other perp was menacing him.

I've read that the best instructors don't teach to shoot at a target from a distance. They teach to shoot at point blank range first which is where most stand your ground situations take place.
21 posted on 05/10/2012 8:59:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: marktwain

The shooting-your-wife-to-defend-her situation is one in which it’s nice to have a .45 and not just the 12 ga. Even the most understanding wife might get irritable about being blasted with buckshot.


22 posted on 05/10/2012 9:18:43 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Can we afford as much government as welfare-addicted voters demand?)
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To: headstamp 2

I was going to say the same thing. My father used to say that the only way to hit the side of a barn with one of those was if you were standing inside the barn. But then he shot with one hand, arm extended.


23 posted on 05/10/2012 10:14:33 AM PDT by Mrs. P (Figures can lie, and liars can figure.)
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To: marktwain

She’ll forgive, but you can bet your bottom dollar she won’t forget.

“Oh, your daughter looks so pretty graduating from college. She was the one born 2 months, 6 days and seven hours after my husband shot me in the arm.”


24 posted on 05/10/2012 10:52:09 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

so does the second perp get charged for the death of the other perp?


25 posted on 05/10/2012 11:29:14 AM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: eccentric
Depends on whether the state where it occurred is a capital murder state.

Not all are.

26 posted on 05/10/2012 11:37:36 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? Seriously? You're that dense?)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

LOL! You got that one right!


27 posted on 05/10/2012 11:40:46 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: yldstrk
I think the .45 is really hard to shoot, darn thing is too big

I shoot much better with a 1911. The weight of the pistol steadies my hand. I also find the 1911 very easy to shoot and not the least bit complex. Due to its design accidental discharges are a sign of massive stupidity on the user of the weapon. The 1911 does not go bang unless you want it to go bang. Also when you want it to go bang, it will go bang! Also a 45ACP powerball ammunition by Corbon will mess you up bad!

Click for the Gospel of John Moses Browning, the designer of the 1911

28 posted on 05/10/2012 11:52:01 AM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: marktwain

If he wasn’t her hero before he is now.


29 posted on 05/10/2012 12:49:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: marktwain

How many rounds did he have?


30 posted on 05/10/2012 3:01:46 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: yldstrk
I think the .45 is really hard to shoot, darn thing is too big

Take some classes and learn how to "run the gun."

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Then you can learn how to "run the gun" accurately with a 41 ounce 1911.

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31 posted on 05/10/2012 3:58:43 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: 70th Division
Try one that has been worked on by a good gun smith. The are smooth and bad.

Why? This stock, out-of-the-box, Smith & Wesson...

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Produced these results...


32 posted on 05/10/2012 4:10:55 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: CodeToad

You know it!


33 posted on 05/10/2012 4:11:13 PM PDT by Ladysmith (The evil that's happening in this country is the cancer of socialism...It kills the human spirit.)
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To: cripplecreek; All
I've read that the best instructors don't teach to shoot at a target from a distance. They teach to shoot at point blank range first which is where most stand your ground situations take place.

You're reading BS. The best instructors teach you how to use your sights. It's one aspect of learning how to run the gun so the bullet hits its intended target. Any moron can pick up a weapon and pull the trigger.

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Todd Jarret teaching a class using 1911s. Note his repeated comments: "Front sight crystal clear."

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4584332856867071363

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The most important part of running the gun, is safety...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Y7LIJm5gI

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Watch Clint Smith clear malfunctions...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfyULpEhmug&feature=related

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I personally take two training classes a year from guys like Jarrett and Smith.

34 posted on 05/10/2012 4:26:51 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Cobra64

Sights don’t mean much at less than 3 feet.


35 posted on 05/10/2012 5:03:08 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Cobra64
Beautiful gun. My G23 is maybe not so pretty but it will put you in the ground just as fast.
36 posted on 05/11/2012 8:44:26 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: CodeToad
"It’s one of the smallest pistols out there, by far the slimmmest." Ummmm, no, not even close. This Kahr CM9 I bought my daughter for her birthday is pretty small but it's still far from the smallest.
37 posted on 05/11/2012 8:53:53 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: yldstrk; All
“oh well i am thinking of the .45 I had to practice at the range with in the Army. Impossible to shoot”

Many of the 1911A1 pistols that the Army used to train with were nearly worn out and difficult to shoot. I particularly remember coaching an officer who just couldn't get the pistol to discharge. I had her shift her grip so that the grip safety was pressed in more firmly. Then the pistol would fire. At one point before that, she was pressing on the trigger so hard that the gun was visibly shaking.

It was simply a mechanical problem with that particular gun.

Try a 1911 that is in good shape, and you will likely be pleasantly surprised. I was issued one for a divisional competition one time. It looked like it had been made in 1946 and never been carried or issue, it looked so mint. It shot like a dream, and I shot the overall high score for the divisional (leg) match with it.

38 posted on 05/12/2012 5:14:59 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Thank you, the others were convinced it was operator error. I can shoot with a decent pistol at the range and now that my eyes are fixed I can shoot well.


39 posted on 05/12/2012 5:27:32 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Cobra64

Nice! The new ones are quite accurate.


40 posted on 05/14/2012 6:32:38 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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