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Arizona high school forfeits championship game rather than face girl opponent
Fox News ^ | 5-10-2012 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 05/10/2012 1:11:45 PM PDT by servo1969

A state championship high school baseball game is over before tonight's first pitch, after one Arizona team forfeited rather than play an opponent with a girl in the lineup.

Our Lady of Sorrows refused to play Mesa Preparatory Academy in Thursday’s scheduled Arizona Charter Athletic Association state championship game, because that team has Paige Sultzbach at second base. The 15-year-old agreed to sit out a pair of regular season victories over Our Lady of Sorrows, which is run by the Society of St. Pius X, an traditionalist church that broke away from Roman Catholic Church over Vatican reforms in 1970. But with everything on the line tonight, Sultzbach wasn't willing to stay glued to the bench — even if it means no game at all.

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In a statement to FoxNews.com, an Our Lady of Sorrows official said the school had no choice but to forfeit because it has a strict policy prohibiting participation in co-ed athletics and believes in "forming and educating boys and girls" separately.

“Teaching our boys to treat ladies with deference, we choose not to place them in an athletic competition where proper boundaries can only be respected with difficulty,” the statement read. "Our school aims to instill in our boys a profound respect for women and girls."

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1 posted on 05/10/2012 1:11:46 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Wimps. Scared of a girl. My son had play against a girl playing wide receiver in football. He knocked her down on a play. He asked if he did anything wrong. I told him “That’s why she’s out there”.


2 posted on 05/10/2012 1:13:55 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: servo1969

What are they, Muzzies?


3 posted on 05/10/2012 1:14:29 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: AppyPappy

We had girls on my Little League, they were good, too.


4 posted on 05/10/2012 1:15:02 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: servo1969

In other news, every future opponent of Our Lady of Sorrows high has added a female to their rosters....


5 posted on 05/10/2012 1:15:36 PM PDT by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: AppyPappy

A wimp would be someone who compromised their moral beliefs to suit the needs of the moment. They stuck to their guns, even though it was costing them the championship. If that is ‘wimpy’, I can only hope that far more people will be wimpy in the future.


6 posted on 05/10/2012 1:17:16 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: servo1969

She’s more man than they are. Play the game.


7 posted on 05/10/2012 1:18:54 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: AppyPappy
Wimps. Scared of a girl.

No. No more than the 90% of males in the 1950s and earlier who would have taken the same position. The most of girls of those eras would not have been too impressed with a girl playing on the boys team either.

You may not share those values, but it is disingenuous to try to taunt them into abandoning them.
8 posted on 05/10/2012 1:18:55 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: AppyPappy

I dunno, Appy. It sounds more like the school doesn’t want to compromise one of its core principles and would rather forfeit the game (ie, give the win to the other team) than do so.

Personally, I think it is silly to give up a championship over it but kudos to them for putting their money where their mouth is.


9 posted on 05/10/2012 1:19:10 PM PDT by RMDupree (I'm not really here.)
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To: dfwgator

Yeah, what’s the issue here again? Baseball is only very occasionally a contact sport.


10 posted on 05/10/2012 1:22:21 PM PDT by Goldsborough
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To: servo1969

At least they stick to their principles, you have to give them that.


11 posted on 05/10/2012 1:23:50 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Chen Guangcheng: Gutsy call, Obama /UltraMegaDrippingSarc)
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To: Goldsborough

It’s not like football, where you have to make special accommodations for a girl, I mean we’re not talking about “Quarterback Princess” here.

If the girls are good enough to make the team on their own merits, what’s the problem.


12 posted on 05/10/2012 1:23:58 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: kingu

“A wimp would be someone who compromised their moral beliefs to suit the needs of the moment. They stuck to their guns, even though it was costing them the championship. If that is ‘wimpy’, I can only hope that far more people will be wimpy in the future.”

Bravo!


13 posted on 05/10/2012 1:24:38 PM PDT by icwhatudo (This is not a choice between Romney&Reagan-Its between Romney & most radical leftist Pres in history)
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To: icwhatudo

I understand that line of thinking, I just think there are better hills to die on.


14 posted on 05/10/2012 1:25:28 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Goldsborough

That’s what I thought. Now the girls that want to be high school wrestlers is another matter...


15 posted on 05/10/2012 1:26:08 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: servo1969
This seems silly to me. I totally agree when boy wrestlers refuse to wrestle girls, as that involves a great deal of close, physical contact, that is inappropriate, IMO. I could understand not playing against a girl in a sport like basketball, as well, though I'd probably be OK if my son played against one.

But, baseball? There is very, little, physical contact and it would almost never be awkward, much less inappropriate.

Do they allow the boys to play chess or golf against girls?

16 posted on 05/10/2012 1:26:46 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The candidate I vote for will NOT have a CARE after his name.)
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To: servo1969
Teaching our boys to treat ladies with deference, we choose not to place them in an athletic competition where proper boundaries can only be respected with difficulty.

It's baseball you idiots. Have you never played a co-ed softball or kickball game?

My wife and I play in a co-ed social sports volleyball league, and it's a blast. There's probably more contact in that than in high school baseball.

These are people taking pride in artificial virtue.

17 posted on 05/10/2012 1:27:17 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: servo1969
The conference they play in allows boys and girls on the field. They already played twice in the season, and the boy/girl team won both times[lady sat on the bench].

If the school already knows there is a chance of facing a girl in competition, why then put the team's chance in jeopardy by playing in a boy/girl conference?

18 posted on 05/10/2012 1:28:35 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: AppyPappy

This has nothing to do with excellence in women athletes. it is all about radical egalitarianism—Marxist ideology that is trying to destroy the Laws of Nature and the Constitution which is based on Objective Truth—that males and females have different natures and need to be admired and respected for their very natures. it dehumanizes both men and women and destroys respect and dignity of the sexes.

Women, by nature, are nurturers—designed by God to have babies and make them emotionally healthy so they will flourish. Men were designed to protect the family and provide for the woman so she could care for the babies. For thousands of years, women and children did not make it if there was no man to champion them.

Marx hates patriarchy and needs to eliminate men who protect their families. It destroys children. Children who grow up with no caring father end up in prison or in gangs. 95% of all prisoners in the 1980’s had abusive or no fathers while growing up.

Marx knew to destroy the family they have to pit man against women—just like class and race warfare—there is a sexes one too—as well as parents against children-—classic socialist use to destroy all trust in a people.

Whittaker Chambers explains the lack of Trust in Communism—in families.

Having men compete against women conditions them to hurt women—which used to be unmanly and evil until this Marxist push to make women into men and force them into the workplace so children’s minds can be shaped by the State and strangers. (70’s is when this sick idea took root. Marxists renamed Daycare to “preschool” to think children would be smarter being around other two year olds to learn speech and good manners. It is a joke and was the beginning of mass dumbing down although the socialist Dewey actually started in the 30’s with destroying morality and traditions.

When you are hurting women in sports—it is conditioning into a mindset that makes it acceptable. Christian Ethics can never condone men hurting women even in sports, because of the extreme difference in strength.

Marxists want women in combat to destroy the protective nature of men and destroy the nurturing aspect in women. Marx denied Natural Law Theory which is the basis of our legal system.


19 posted on 05/10/2012 1:32:57 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: dfwgator
Yeah, I doubt that the people here applauding the move would say the same thing if it was a Muslim school (who would probably forfeit also).

Sticking to your guns is a really stupid thing to do if your guns are unloaded, or more appropriately, sticking to your principles makes no sense if your principles are stupid.

20 posted on 05/10/2012 1:36:22 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: kingu

Help me out with which moral belief is being compromised by playing a baseball game against a team with a female 2nd baseman.


21 posted on 05/10/2012 1:36:31 PM PDT by dmz
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To: servo1969

Our Little League is co-ed. By my son’s age, 10, there are only a couple of girls left, but they are welcome to play. It’s by their own choice that they migrate over to the Girls Softball League.

I’ve never seen anything during a game that would cause an indelicate problem.


22 posted on 05/10/2012 1:36:47 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: servo1969
Baseball is only very occasionally a contact sport.

It is if you play to win.

23 posted on 05/10/2012 1:38:09 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: servo1969

I am glad they stuck to their principles, nice to see someone will.


24 posted on 05/10/2012 1:38:14 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: dmz
I believe it would be this one, as quoted from the story: In a statement to FoxNews.com, an Our Lady of Sorrows official said the school had no choice but to forfeit because it has a strict policy prohibiting participation in co-ed athletics and believes in "forming and educating boys and girls" separately. “Teaching our boys to treat ladies with deference, we choose not to place them in an athletic competition where proper boundaries can only be respected with difficulty,” the statement read. "Our school aims to instill in our boys a profound respect for women and girls."

While I don't subscribe to the same beliefs, I certainly don't count their actually standing up for what they believe in to be wimpy.

25 posted on 05/10/2012 1:39:07 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: kingu

It’s baseball. I can see this with the wrestling kid last year, or some other contact sport, but BASEBALL?! They’d probably never have touched her anyway. They need to get over it.


26 posted on 05/10/2012 1:39:15 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: savagesusie
That is the stupidest thing I have ever read.

My wife and I play in co-ed leagues all the time.

What's disrespectful is telling her she shouldn't play volleyball against co-ed teams because she's "designed by God to have babies".

Maybe you're just a crappy athlete.

27 posted on 05/10/2012 1:42:00 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: savagesusie

No it’s not any of that. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. It’s a mixed gender league, that apparently doesn’t actually have many teams with girls, nobody is trying to force any equality, there’s no mandatory girl quotient. If this school really doesn’t want to face girls they should switch to a league that isn’t mixed gender.


28 posted on 05/10/2012 1:42:56 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: RMDupree
My children's school separates the sexes after grade 5, both for academics and athletics.

I'm quite sure they would do the same in a similar situation.

29 posted on 05/10/2012 1:45:38 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: kingu

If separately educating boys and girls was that important to them then why did they join a league that’s co-ed? Really it shouldn’t be that tough.


30 posted on 05/10/2012 1:47:20 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: savagesusie

You post the truth.

Some folks can’t handle the truth.


31 posted on 05/10/2012 1:50:03 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: GunRunner

“What’s disrespectful is telling her she shouldn’t play volleyball against co-ed teams because she’s “designed by God to have babies”.

Maybe you’re just a crappy athlete. “

You ruined a good point and post by that last snarky comment


32 posted on 05/10/2012 1:52:34 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: AppyPappy
Wimps. Scared of a girl.

I highly doubt that.

I plan to teach my son(s) that women are to be treated with respect, unless they otherwise show they shouldn't be.

I also intend to let them know that if they're every playing a sport, and a girl is playing too, that qualifies as "otherwise show they shouldn't be" and feel free to charge, tackle, or whatever else you would otherwise do to a male player. If she gets hurt in the process, that's on her head, not theirs. If she wants to play little miss tough jock instead of acting like a lady, then it's her own fault when she gets mangled while playing with members of a gender which statistically is faster, stronger, and more aggressive than hers is.

All the same, if it is the conviction of the St. Pius team members not to play a girl, then that's their decision, and I don't fault them for it.

33 posted on 05/10/2012 1:53:23 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: PilotDave

Good one. Now my co-workers are wonder what I was laughing about.


34 posted on 05/10/2012 1:54:32 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Cyman
I was thinking of the best way to respond to the overwhelmingly stupid argument that:

Co-ed Sports = Marxism.

The only thing I can think of is that the idea came from someone with absolutely no experience in intramural or social league sports, or probably athletics at all.

35 posted on 05/10/2012 1:57:01 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: savagesusie

I suspect you have overanalyzed this situation. These are kids. It is baseball.


36 posted on 05/10/2012 1:58:14 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: discostu
Care to examine the history of their league? It was not co-ed when they joined. Then again, in Massachusetts, the day before the state supreme court ruled, marriage meant ‘the union of a man and woman in matrimony.’ Rules commonly change after the fact.
37 posted on 05/10/2012 2:08:09 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: servo1969

Good for them! For not giving in to the feminazi agenda.


38 posted on 05/10/2012 2:09:02 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democrat Party, the party of the KKK (tm))
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To: kingu

Got any source for that. The story doesn’t say anything changed, it says the league is co-ed and the school knew about it. The only thing that changed according to the linked story is that at the beginning of the year this opponent didn’t have any girls but swapped one in during the season; she voluntarily sat out when they met in the regular season but for the championship wanted to be in. Everything in here indicates the school knew what they signed up for and did it anyway.


39 posted on 05/10/2012 2:14:03 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: servo1969

I shake my head at the absolute primitivism posted on this thread (6, 19, and 31 for example). Hard to tell you folks apart from the radical islamists.


40 posted on 05/10/2012 2:15:54 PM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: servo1969

The idea that men and women are interchangeable cogs is Marxist. That’s why she’s out there. I would refuse to participate in teaching my sons that.


41 posted on 05/10/2012 2:16:46 PM PDT by Varda
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To: GunRunner
sticking to your principles makes no sense if your principles are stupid

My question to you is, who gets to decide which principles are stupid - the people that hold them or the mob?

42 posted on 05/10/2012 2:17:19 PM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: servo1969

If it were high school wrestling, I might agree with it but baseball???


43 posted on 05/10/2012 2:17:39 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, I'll rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: servo1969
We had a chick playing on our intramural basketball team in college in the early '70's.

We would put her in at low post whenever the opposing team made the mistake of going to a man-to-man defense. She had one move and we had one play for her. She would get the ball low with her back to the basket, the rest of us would head for the corners, taking the defenders away, she would fake one way while hooking the opposite leg behind the defender, go the other way, bounce the ball once heading to the basket and execute the most beautiful finger-roll spinning layup you have ever seen.

She was only good for about 3 buckets that way before the other team would figure out they needed to sink in to defend against her, but she provided the winning margin a number of times.

We all had a lot of respect for her and provided triple-damage to anybody who messed with her on or off the court.

44 posted on 05/10/2012 2:18:35 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: servo1969

They are taking a stand based upon their principles and accepting the consequences of their actions—taking it their forfeiture like men. Good for them.


45 posted on 05/10/2012 2:18:56 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Tagline For Sale)
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To: GeronL

Words mean things. How many boys play on the girls softball team?

Kudos


46 posted on 05/10/2012 2:19:20 PM PDT by Broker (Matthew 5:11)
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To: servo1969; a fool in paradise

47 posted on 05/10/2012 2:19:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: savagesusie

I think if the girls think they are man enough to get into the ring to compete with the guys then the guys should go out of their way to hurt them enough during competition to discourage any further competition. Once the word is out among the girls that any competition with the boys will only be met with being taught a lesson the girls will absolutely refuse to compete with them.


48 posted on 05/10/2012 2:21:31 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: servo1969

What does the school principle think of the team’s principals?


49 posted on 05/10/2012 2:21:49 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: kingu

I never used the word wimpy, for the record, that was another poster.

I read that in the article as well, and I am left with the same question - what moral belief is being compromised?

A belief in forming and educating boys and girls separately doesn’t rise (IMHO) to the level of a moral belief. And playing a game against a team with a female 2nd basemen just doesn’t seem to negatively impact one’s profound respect for women and girls.

Again, JMO.


50 posted on 05/10/2012 2:22:27 PM PDT by dmz
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