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Ultra-Orthodox Shun Their Own for Reporting Child Sexual Abuse
The New York Times ^ | May 10th, 2011 | Sharon Otterman

Posted on 05/10/2012 1:38:08 PM PDT by KantianBurke

The first shock came when Mordechai Jungreis learned that his mentally disabled teenage son was being molested in a Jewish ritual bathhouse in Brooklyn. The second came after Mr. Jungreis complained, and the man accused of the abuse was arrested.

Their communities, headed by dynastic leaders called rebbes, strive to preserve their centuries-old customs by resisting the contaminating influences of the outside world. While some ultra-Orthodox rabbis now argue that a child molester should be reported to the police, others strictly adhere to an ancient prohibition against mesirah, the turning in of a Jew to non-Jewish authorities, and consider publicly airing allegations against fellow Jews to be chillul Hashem, a desecration of God’s name.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: children; molestation; religious; zealots
There is no excuse for covering for child molesters. None. Those that cover up the crime or enable it belong behind bars.
1 posted on 05/10/2012 1:38:09 PM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: KantianBurke

I would have no objection to them handling the matter within their community, provided that they administered the punishment prescribed by the Torah for such a crime.


2 posted on 05/10/2012 1:41:34 PM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: KantianBurke
an ancient prohibition against mesirah, the turning in of a Jew to non-Jewish authorities

I can think of one specific and very famous incident when that rule was ignored.

3 posted on 05/10/2012 1:43:54 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Oberon

The problem with that path, as pointed out in the article is sickening detail, is that it isn’t being done.


4 posted on 05/10/2012 1:44:25 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke

This is a common practice in groups who feel they are hurt by association with the predominate culture. It comes in all colors (if you know what I mean). Snitches get stitches.


5 posted on 05/10/2012 1:44:31 PM PDT by 1raider1
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To: KantianBurke

Has the NYet Times ever done a piece about Planned Parenthood covering up child sexual abuse and destroying the DNA evidence in the name of profit?


6 posted on 05/10/2012 1:44:30 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: KantianBurke

Occupants Shun Their Own For Reporting Rape At Occupy Camps


7 posted on 05/10/2012 1:46:38 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: Oberon

The criminal act needs to be handled by the proper governmental authorities. Leaving it to the religious traditions opens the door to stoning and beheading by Islamists as an acceptable replacement for due process.


8 posted on 05/10/2012 1:46:57 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: KantianBurke

NEA Shuns Their Own For Exposure Of Teacher-Child Sexual Relationships


9 posted on 05/10/2012 1:47:16 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: Oberon
I would have no objection to them handling the matter within their community, provided that they administered the punishment prescribed by the Torah for such a crime.

Does your comment mean you have no problem with believers in Sharia being left to deal with their own?

10 posted on 05/10/2012 1:48:22 PM PDT by 1raider1
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To: a fool in paradise

And the relevance of that issue to this one is? Oh wait I get it, we can’t discuss criminal activity unless your issue is too. Great idea! (sarcasm off)


11 posted on 05/10/2012 1:50:55 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: 1raider1
Does your comment mean you have no problem with believers in Sharia being left to deal with their own?

No, not in the least!

I don't advocate my point of view as workable policy. It's just my point of view.

12 posted on 05/10/2012 1:51:57 PM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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13 posted on 05/10/2012 1:52:03 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: a fool in paradise

Even a blind pig gets an acorn occasionally.


14 posted on 05/10/2012 1:56:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: Myrddin

I think this was rhetorical.

Also, Judaism attempts to be a biblical religion. It may get things wrong (and more importantly the law can’t do squat to save a sinful soul), but it’s also not founded on a phony baloney text like the Koran.

And it would be moot anyhow. To stone the adulterer as prescribed in the Old Testament is not possible under secular law, so there’s no excuse not to invoke the more meaningful sanctions of secular law. If they don’t like the secular law then they ought to go to Israel (which as it turns out also does not wink at sexual abuse).


15 posted on 05/10/2012 2:01:18 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: KantianBurke

I agree. Those who cover up these crimes should face the same punishment as the culprit. Exile to the sun or antarctica or death.


16 posted on 05/10/2012 2:09:33 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: KantianBurke

Report it all. The MSM is only concerned with church molestations.

Planned Parenthood proclaims themselves to be pro-woman when really they are pro-rapist because they do not report all cases of suspected abuse. They instruct the girls to lie about the age of their sexual partner and the circumstance of their pregnancy. They’ve been repeatedly caught on tape giving such instruction.

Just wondering when the media will headline a case of NON-church molestation in an organization.


17 posted on 05/10/2012 2:16:32 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: KantianBurke

And yet the MSM wants boys to be exposed to overnight stays with gay scout masters. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?


18 posted on 05/10/2012 2:17:23 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: KantianBurke

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19 posted on 05/10/2012 2:28:51 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: KantianBurke

This subject was raised 10 years ago at the height of the Catholic scandal, to demonstrate 1) it happens in other denominations, and 2) that it has no connection to the celibacy of Catholic priests. The fact that it is in the news now is probably to stifle Orthodox Judaism from voicing disgust at Obama’s latest gay nonsense (they’re not into that).


20 posted on 05/10/2012 2:35:17 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Oberon

“I would have no objection to them handling the matter within their community, provided that they administered the punishment prescribed by the Torah for such a crime.”

I don’t know that anyone (except possibly the Natives who pre-date the country itself) would ever get that option because it involves a crime (a serious one). As Catholics we can’t even get out of the birth control coverage of ObamaCare...


21 posted on 05/10/2012 2:37:25 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

“The fact that it is in the news now is probably to stifle Orthodox Judaism from voicing disgust at Obama’s latest gay nonsense”

Or maybe because disgusting crimes are being committed against kids and the perps are being protected by the religious powers that be? Just a thought.


22 posted on 05/10/2012 2:44:58 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke

“Or maybe because disgusting crimes are being committed against kids and the perps are being protected by the religious powers that be? Just a thought.”

Did you read the start of my post? I know that this happens in that community (and in every other one); the timing is suspect is all.

I have no problem with these stories, as long as they are even-handed; the fact that the Catholic League was the only one reporting at the height of the Church’s coverage years ago that the NYC public school system had 5 cases in 5 days (with names of perps, schools, dates) is so absurd that questioning the purpose of the coverage just makes sense. If it was about the kids the papers (especially those in NYC) would have hopped on the public school story; guess it didn’t fit an agenda.


23 posted on 05/10/2012 2:52:42 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: KantianBurke; kearnyirish2
Or maybe because disgusting crimes are being committed against kids and the perps are being protected by the religious powers that be? Just a thought.

I would not discount it being a warning shot for these groups' leaders -- get on board for Obama NOW or else. The abuse is mostly men molesting boys, and the MSM does not generally go out of their way to focus on homosexual abuse.

OTOH, I think it more general politics than anything related to stifling comment about Obama's gay marriage position.

Lastly, I think that some communities' leaders have been co-opted by molesters among them. I think that the gays among them work tirelessly to remove from leadership any rabbi who might seriously threaten them, and promote any rabbi who is willing to cover for them. The game is not limited to the Ultra-Orthodox. The Sandusky case at Penn State stands out.

24 posted on 05/10/2012 2:56:28 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: KantianBurke
There is no excuse for covering for child molesters. None. Those that cover up the crime or enable it belong behind bars.

Just like priests who hear confessions from other priests who molest children.

25 posted on 05/10/2012 3:10:40 PM PDT by gilor (Pull the wool over your own eyes!)
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To: a fool in paradise

Yep. It is funny how the only times the media cares about child rape or molestation is when a religious person supposedly does it.


26 posted on 05/10/2012 3:38:52 PM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: PapaBear3625

“The abuse is mostly men molesting boys, and the MSM does not generally go out of their way to focus on homosexual abuse.”

Given the non-stop coverage of the Catholic Church scandal, you can’t ignore the obvious. They ignore gay rape when it is done in lib circles (public schools, Girl Scouts - who have no ban on gay scoutmasters) and pour it on when it is done in the “enemy camp” (Catholic Church, Boy Scouts, and now I suspect Orthodox Judaism). The Orthodox method of dealing with this was reported quite a bit when the Church coverage was at its peak.


27 posted on 05/11/2012 3:20:38 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

Interesting that your outrage is reserved for media bias. Forget the fact that little kids are being raped and the perps are being protected.


28 posted on 05/11/2012 4:09:46 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke

“Forget the fact that little kids are being raped and the perps are being protected.”

I’ve never defended the perps; execute them for all I care. Just make sure you do the same regardless of whether they are reigious figures or public school teachers.

You’re about 10 years too late for those conversations, but there they are.


29 posted on 05/12/2012 12:23:52 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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