Skip to comments.INCIDENT: I Am A Threat (My personal experience with U.S. Border Patrol.)
Posted on 05/11/2012 5:17:13 AM PDT by IbJensen
This is not an isolated case. Life as we have known it will cease to exist unless we all pour our efforts into this next election. Those who are not interested in politics will wish to God they had put efforts into this. The truly evil ones are less than 10% and follow satan. Those who have an entitlement mindset are about 35% (but they are also devoid of passion and essentially lazy). Our country was founded by 20% of the colony population. Which percentage will you be?
I am a threat. This is not about any loss of freedom you are about to experience but is about the lack of freedoms you currently have. The following account just happened to me, personally, as I recently crossed the border from Canada to the US. Many of you do not know me, but I am one of the founders of Conservative Daily. As a founder, I set out to create an environment where we could fight for freedom, fight for better moral and ethical direction, but even more importantly fight to hold those in positions of trust and power accountable. Every day, we research, draft and develop new ways to fight against the bureaucratic nightmare that we face as a nation, and to reveal the shame many that we call leaders have brought to our great nation.
I went to Canada to attend the Malibu Young Life Camp, a camp that is the definition of Gods paradise. The camp sits on the Princess Louisa Inlet, and has some 5500 visiting campers a year. It is a Christian camp that seeks to give teenagers a week of fun, faith, and fellowship. A week, that as I discovered, brings people back some fifty years later. We were there to help get the camp back in order for the forthcoming summer season, which as it turns out, led me to 6 days of very hard labor laying about 30 tons of slate for a pathway to one of the newly donated buildings. I would complain, but the truth is, no matter how sore my knees are (or the rest of my body for that matter), the friendship and fellowship we experienced this week made it all worth it.
We headed back to the US through the CBP (Customs and Border Patrol) station at Aldergrove. I was traveling with my in-laws, as this was my first time at Malibu volunteering. Now, I am a regular traveler with a passport that reads of trips to Africa and the Middle East. I have worked on several projects in pretty controversial areas, and with sometimes very controversial people. I do so, to seek understanding, and to seek peace. My motivations are never about money and do not put me in any situations where I could or would compromise the US or our standings on foreign policy or domestic policy regardless of how right or wrong I may see the current direction.
A couple of years back, I made it onto a list. I have no idea how I made it to that list, or what prompted their adding me to the list, but nonetheless, I get special treatment, every time I re-enter the US. The agents are always courteous and respectful, and they are always just as stunned as to why I would make it on anyones list. Normally, I answer their questions and after about an hour, I am free to go.
This time, though this time it was very different. This time, they searched the car we were riding in three times. They interrogated me four times. They took my wallet, and made copies (in plain sight) of every credit card in my wallet. They took my computer, and made copies of the contents of my entire hard drive, including intimate letters between me and my wife, emails, pictures, and other writings and documents. They went through my cell phone, and disappeared into a lab in the back after asking me if it was password protected. They gawked over the three of us (my in-laws as well) as they all poured into the lab. Several of them pointed at us over and over again as other agents (12 or so in total) came in to watch as they interrogate their suspect.
Suspect of what? Maybe they discovered that I in fact did some charitable work in Malibu. Or maybe they discovered that every year, my wife and I donate a wedding on the 4th of July to an active military couple as a symbol of our gratitude toward all the men and women who serve our great country. Maybe they discovered that I am a father of two honor students, or that I am the volunteer (unpaid) Executive Director for a Non-Profit that the IRS has taken two years to neither approve or deny. Maybe they discovered that I am a founder of Conservative Daily, and that I stand for our rights under the Constitution. Maybe they do not like the many times I spoke (albeit respectfully and honorably) about the loss of those rights and the lack of accountability of the middle management of our government. Not just our federal government but our state and local municipalities as well. Maybe someone on the other end of the state department has deemed me a threat, because I stand for you, as you stand for your neighbor. Maybe they just figured out that Americans are waking up from a deep slumber of complacency and inaction.
Any way you interpret what they did to me, they personally violated my rights as an American, and they did so with reckless impunity. As I watched my mother in law become increasingly concerned as they searched the car a second time, and then a third. They watched as they took me into a room and after three hours attempted to sneak my computer bag back into the car. My computer does track transfer or copying of files, and they could have been smart enough to realize that most people want to know when people are looking at their private information.
Over the years, I viewed the questions and answers that I have endured when re-entering the US as a minor inconvenience. I had not been concerned and I certainly have not let them control my emotions. I have learned to carefully space my final flight home in the US long enough to accommodate this inconvenience. They were not going to get me angry or upset, for a certainly have nothing to hide.
Now, I see it quite differently. I see what they did as an escalation of things to come. A new barometer of what they see as acceptable. Violating our Constitutional rights is the new norm. The law states that you have no recourse, as they can decide whether you have a right to sue. Then when you do sue, you have to prove damages. After wading through the legal implications and bills associated with holding them accountable, the reality is you may not be able to sustain the fatigue of the fight. Neither can most of us afford it.
This brings up a whole new dynamic concerning your rights as an American. You have freedoms, until someone violates those freedoms, and then you are supposed to have options. What options do you really have? They will issue a memo denying wrongdoing, and you will cry foul. They will call you a delusional person with a victim complex, and you will fight, until you realize that fighting alone is lonely. It is tiring, and it is depressing. Then they will say that when you were 21 you got arrested in a bar for fighting, or you got three speeding tickets, so obviously youre a demon, who is trying to act innocent. Then they will say, you have been divorced, so you have to be bad. Or that you once went fishing without a license so we know what type of guy you are Then the white noise of what really happened will be overshadowed by warts you really do not have, and what will be left, is you, holding the bag, wondering if the fight was ever worth it. By the way, I was not arrested for fighting in a bar or fishing without a license, although the other two things are accurate.
This is a story, I wish everyone would read. This is not a story of the IRS forcing me to close my business because of ridicule and persecution, but that could happen now. This is not a case of Obamacare destroying my ability to make a living, but this does happen. This is not even a case of injustice because I was beaten by authority. This is a case of social injustice, an invasion of privacy and a theft of information. This is the essence of our loss of freedoms as Americans.
When does it stop? And where does the rabbit trail lead? The definition of what happened to me, just yesterday is what each of you should be afraid of. I am not going to ask you to fax congress, or write a letter on my behalf. I am sharing this with all of you. 1.6 million people across the US who get our message so that you can understand the big problems are daunting but the ones you do not see, those are the ones that you should be afraid of, because those are the ones that take your freedoms long before big new laws have a chance to.
In the next two months we will be launching a campaign across the US with coalitions and partnerships with organizations that stand for those freedoms. We are going to ask people to stand at intersections, at grocery stores, and in public places telling about stories that have little meaning individually but collectively paint a picture of our country that we all need to see. Obama is a bad president, but our government is so big, and out of control, that if we do not stop it, and replenish and replace our leaders, we will face a certain future that is devastating and tragic.
So stand with me, forward this to friends, and join me as we stand, together.
Where would the early church have been if they had put their faith in Rome?
We are past political solutions. My solution was to move from my 45 year home, Seattle, to a small farm in central KY.
It’s all about Revelation 18:4
So, our protectors are now our emeny? You want to live with open borders? Try this: Take the doors off of your house. Advertise on your local TV that you have done that. Think you are going to sleep well?
Dear God. :-(
This guy isn’t complaingin about closed borders. What he is complaining about is the abuse of power. He even states that the questioning in the past was a minor inconvenience. The description of what he went through should send chills down your spine.
Romney wants open borders and amnesty I think. Forget what he says, look at his actions.
We need to elect conservatives to the House and to the woeful Senate.
Despite your username there is apparently a lot you don’t ‘get’ about both patriotism and what the USA is all about.
Oh jeez.......... this guy should just stop crying... would you rather the border patrol just flagged everyone on through? I did a lot of traveling between canada and the U.S., spending extended time working in canada. If your number pops up, you get the special treatment. Damn near everyone that goes over the border will get this at one time or another.
Now, take into account where he has been and, by his own admission, who he was with in these questionable countries, and you are gonna get detained.
Messing with me while I am in my own country is one thing (tsa is the gestapo) but when you are coming in, you are subject to search. If you are on a list, you are gonna get extra searched. It is just the way it is. Stop whining.
Welcome to Hannity’s America.
well said. so just to be safe...
I Love Big Brother.
feel much better now!
A few sentences stand out:
“Now, I am a regular traveler with a passport that reads of trips to Africa and the Middle East. I have worked on several projects in pretty controversial areas, and with sometimes very controversial people.”
So this guy could be rubbing elbows with, or even “providing aid and comfort” to America’s enemies and you don’t think he warrants extra scrutiny?
First question that comes to mind:
Why did you let them do it?
Why did you feed and embolden the beasts?
And if you knew beforehand that you were likely to get the extra attention, why did you take your computer along? How hard can it be to get a spare laptop, or to rent one for the trip and just carry those few files you will need?
It’s like traveling with a sack of diamonds: you shouldn’t!
This is not a free country anymore.
Nor is anyone angry enough to try to restore it. Actions speak louder, and all the actions I see are submissive. (BTW — “Vote for Romney!”)
A very few — and not enough — people are passively resisting, for example by avoiding air travel and border crossing. Most won’t even go that far.
Most are sheep. Public schooled, tax-paying, TSA-inspected mutton.
This regime is totalitarian.
This is about our rights as US citizens not about open borders. Read the Constitution. Just because DHS decides to put you on a list doens’t mean you lose your constitutional rights.
Yeah. Fight fight fight fight.
Baaaa baaaa baaaa baaaa.
There's no fight in this story, just the usual bend over and bleat about it afterwards.
When you come back into the United States with a United States Passport, you are an American citizen on American soil. I'm not sure how we American citizens ever gave up our rights under the fourth amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.... under such circumstances but I guess we did. But we only did as I understand it to make sure that proper duties were being paid on any goods we might be importing. Looking at files on ones computer and making copies of credit cards has nothing to do with Customs.
If this story is true, it is an outrage.
And it is another statist goal achieved by playing to conservative emotional responses. There is an unbroken string of these types of unconstitutional statist dream laws dating back to the 70's, and the GOP is 100% responsible - for elevating the need to score cheap political points with the base above an unshakable faith in liberty.
Neither faction of the Federal Government Party minds the slide into totalitarianism, as long as their offices and personal wealth are not affected.
Or to ship it to pick up at your destination, then ship it home when you return?
You have a touching faith in shippers there, JimRed!
No idea? LOL. The guy needs to buy a clue and not be a smart ass at the border. You have no "rights as an American" at the POE. We may not like it but that is the law. Those CBP officers are basically god in that area. They can do whatever they want within the regulations. So my advise if he wants to travel is follow the ICE program, tell the truth and don't pick fights with them.
To clarify a major error in the narrative.
We headed back to the US through the CBP (Customs and Border Patrol)
No, he did not.
He went through the CBP, Customs and Border PROTECTION, point of entry (POE). Agents at the POE are Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), not Border Patrol. They are two very separate and distinct organizations-—from the color of their uniform (blue for ICE, green for Border Patrol) to their missions (ICE works POE, Border Patrol works between the POEs).
Border Patrol Agents are the ones in the boonies, hours from back-up and they take-down illegal aliens, drug smugglers and human smugglers. They are the ones that take personal risks and sometimes suffer consequences from our own governments actions (Agents Ramos and Compean, and Agent Brian Terry for recent examples).
So. Our border patrol is comprised of thugs!
Be sure to aim your bile correctly. . .otherwise you will be correctly viewed as a fool if you misidentify the agency/Agents and aim your fire at the wrong people.
By “ICE,” I mean CBP Officers. . .should have been more clear. Posting in haste leads to mistakes.
I disagree. He is fighting back with the power of the "pen" and the faith that concerned citizens will take his message, pass it on to others and through the established system of government make the necessary changes. Not every fight must be physical.
“When you come back into the United States with a United States Passport, you are an American citizen on American soil. I’m not sure how we American citizens ever gave up our rights under the fourth amendment”
FRiend, by law the port of entry is not “american soil” until you prove your citizenship/status and the officer decides to let you in.
No rights at the POE? GMAB.
The writer is indeed a "threat" as the title says. His supine compliance is a threat to America, or what traces of it remain.
You think he has no rights, he thinks he doesn't have to stand up for his rights. The FF must be writhing in their tombs that it's come to this.
If you present a valid US Passport, the only thing your beloved "officer" has any say in as to whether it is indeed your passport. If he has probable cause to believe it is not, then he may detain you for that reason and that reason alone. When one comes back into the US, the Immigration folks check your Passport. It's the Customs folks who think they have some right to search you. You don't get to them until after the Immigration guy has waived you through.
“The pen is mightier than the sword,” only when wielded by someone possessed of skill and courage.
Otherwise the pen is but a pea shooter.
I'm a little late to this thread, but I agree with cuban and others: 1) we are beyond political solutions at this point; and 2) Life as we have known it is PRESENTLY passing away, and mathematically, there is NOTHING anyone can do to stop it.
All we can do is adapt. Move to a lower population density area, as cuban did, and I am working to do. (I'm already in the third-lowest-pop-density county in NC already, but I'm looking to move further out.)
When people finally figure out what has happened in our financial sector and government, the civil society WILL break down. Count on it. And corrupt cops and border patrol agents WILL be part of the people.
People in general are going to be the problem.
But there is something we can do now: prepare. Store food, water, supplies, ammo, guns. Get the skills required to survive in less-than-ideal circumstances. Learn to defend yourself and your family.
And we can build community now. I can reach out to three of my immediate neighbors, and we can be armed and ready to repel looters in minutes. And this is in a small-town housing addition. BUILD RELATIONSHIPS with like-minded people NOW, for mutual aid later when the fertilizer contacts the fan-blades.
Repeating: no political solutions are available now, civil society will break down, prepare yourself and your family, and build a mutual-aid society in your immediate area.
ml/nj:When you come back into the United States with a United States Passport, you are an American citizen on American soil.
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
You are exactly right!
Having organizations and rules that are extraconstitutional (Beyond what is provided for in the Cnstitution) has got to STOP! We have a War on Terror, BATFE, ICE, CBP, DEA etc All of which act like the Bill of Rights does not apply to them.
I am with Joe. We need to recover our freedom from Homeland inSecurity. They have betrayed us. The assumption that they could be trusted with the “anti-terror” power we have permitted them to have is totally bogus. They adopted the up-side-down evil of political correctness and go after Americans based on their political activities.
Congress has to wake up and reel them in big time.
I would strongly suggest the author of this article cancel all of his credit cards.
You know why the bill of rights doesn't apply to them? Because they have no compunction against using lethal force against you to make you "comply". That's the difference between them and us. They don't have the constitution on their side, but they do have force, and a willingness to use it. It will continue to get worse, until we start actually resisting them.
“So, our protectors are now our emeny?”
Yes, yes they have.
“You want to live with open borders?”
The one does not follow from the other.
If you have a security guard who is not doing his job, or who you catch stealing from you, having no security guard at all is not your only option. You could also get a better security guard, and put safeguards in place to make sure that the next guy doesn’t repeat the same bad behavior.
Spoken like a true sheep.
LOL. Spoken like a babe in the woods. It’s the same anywhere in the world. Give some lip to a border guard and it’s up against the wall.
My mistake. Included you in error.
We have “border guards?”
Only on the Northern border. Gotta stop those bloodthirsty Anglos. Here at the Southern border there is a Welcome mat.
See Post 25.
It was NOT the Border Patrol.
No welcome mat on the SW border by the Border Patrol.
The BP Agents risk a lot in the desert chasing dangerous animals crossing the border into the US. They don't run and they don't avoid engaging criminals and illegal aliens.
I've posted before that my son is a Border Patrol Agent, been injured taking down illegals and in a shoot. Nothing like getting a call from your son saying he's been injured (or in a shoot, for that matter). The stress from knowing Wash DC “leadership” doesn't have their back and kowtows to Mexico is enough to give you ulcers.
So, it is not right to unfairly malign the Border Patrol. They deserve our support not contempt.
I stand corrected. I live here where citizens are murdered daily by illegals. It’s the Federal overlords who are rolling out the welcome mat, and I should have made the distinction.
Not to make light of the incident, but perhaps this is what it was about? Could one o those controversial people have graduated to a whole new level? That's what happened to a friend of mine, who used to tour the world visiting house churches.
I respect your opinion. I can see how you would see me as whining. I mean I am telling you about being detained. Did you miss the part about taking my credit cards out of my wallet and photo copying them? Or maybe the part about copying my hard drive and phone? Maybe you missed the part about three hours, sitting while I watched as others were racially profiled. (I was the only Caucasian in that three hours who was detained)
TSA is a part of Department of Homeland Security, otherwise known as DHS, which is further the organization that runs the CBP, or Customs and Border Control.
While I pointed out specifically that I make the proper arrangements to accommodate the special treatment, and I understand the reasoning for it; violating my rights, as an American, is where you should have a problem. If you understand anything about history, this should draw strong parallels to Nazi Germany and their justification for detainment of almost 16 million people, of which nearly 80% of them were killed or put in concentration camps.
The field goal posts of acceptability are continually being moved and the result is daunting. We are losing our freedoms and we are subject to unconstitutional actions, regardless of the justification, there is no justification.
Until people like you stop using selective trust for our government, we will continue to lose more ground in our rights as Americans. Example: You cannot say, I trust the government at the border and not at the airport. They are the same organization and serve with the same (look it up) mandate and set of rules.
I am one of the founders of Conservative Daily (www.conservative-daily.com) (I hope free republic is okay with this plug as they did reprint our article. If not forgive me) and I made a decision to invest in a place where we can responsibly dialog and tell the story of what is happening in America. Like Free Republic (who I will be reaching out to) we stand for you, even if you do not see that standing is necessary.
It is you that is wrong. CBP is who works the Point of Entry. I could be wrong but the uniforms said Customs & Border Patrol, the hats said CBP. Maybe this was an attempt by them to confuse me or to give props to their friends over at the CBP. But that would be a conspiracy wouldn’t it friend?
there is a quote by Edmund Burke: “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing”
The fact that you or anyone else would judge me or justify the behavior of these people just shows me that one, you are not a good man, or two, you have chosen as a good man (or woman) to do nothing. Which is it?
Who is Joe Otto and what is ‘Conservative Daily’ that he helped found?
No worries, sir.
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