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Mitt Romney bullying story holds up to scrutiny (WaPo: Unverified quotes, 2nd-hand "sources" are ok)
Washington Post (Omblog) ^ | 5/11/2012 | Patrick B. Pexton

Posted on 05/11/2012 8:38:01 PM PDT by Qbert

The ombudsman is being bombarded by input from readers, via e-mail and phone calls, about the story that Post reporter Jason Horowitz wrote on Mitt Romney’s teenage years at the prestigious Cranbrook School in Michigan.

The story leads with an anecdote about Romney and some of his friends in his dormitory tackling and pinning to the ground an unpopular classmate and forcibly cutting off his bleached-blond, longish hair. The boy, John Lauber, was frightened and in tears, Horowitz explained, and the boy turned out to be gay.

The rest of the deeply reported story provides extensive context to Romney’s years there, what the school was like, where Romney fit in the boys’ hierarchy, and the fact that a lot of people liked the son of Michigan’s then-governor, George Romney.

Conservative Web sites have criticized the piece on several grounds.

The first is that The Post changed the text of one paragraph from the online version published on Thursday to the print version published on Friday without telling readers. It’s a description of how one of Romney’s high school friends, Stu White, felt after hearing about the hair-cutting prank. White was not present at the prank.

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The Post changed the story after talking to White again and discovering that White only learned of the prank in recent weeks after being told of it by a Cranbrook classmate.

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This part of Horowitz’s story is tangential at best. It is only about how one person, who was not an eyewitness, felt about the incident.

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“Our intention with this story and future stories about both Mitt Romney and President Obama is to give people the fullest possible portrait of the men who are running for president. We will continue to explore their biographies, their decision-making, and their full lives.”

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1 posted on 05/11/2012 8:38:08 PM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert

caught with their draws down...again


2 posted on 05/11/2012 8:42:45 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: Qbert

“Our intention with this story and future stories about both Mitt Romney and President Obama is to give people the fullest possible portrait of the men who are running for president. We will continue to explore their biographies, their decision-making, and their full lives.”

Can you ‘feel’ the ‘truth’ and ‘love’???


3 posted on 05/11/2012 8:45:50 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Qbert

Might as well just change the title of the “Ombudsman” to “Flak-Catching Shill.”


4 posted on 05/11/2012 8:46:27 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Rumplemeyer

Our intention with this story and future stories about both Mitt Romney and President Obama is to give people the fullest possible portrait of the men who are running for president. We will continue to explore their biographies, their decision-making, and their full lives.”

About four years too late as it relates to Obamaumau


5 posted on 05/11/2012 8:50:48 PM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: Qbert

The fact that he could not deny it, and apologized, spoke volumes, you don’t forget if you were that violent toward people or not.


6 posted on 05/11/2012 8:54:35 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Obama, Romney,"Eurasia" "Eastasia" "Oceania" I can't keep up with the players anymore.)
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To: Qbert

Who is Hussein?


7 posted on 05/11/2012 9:00:11 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The President who ate the dog, will soon wag the dog.)
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To: ansel12

B*llsh*t! It was nearly 50 years ago. The kids relatives say they never heard about it and he would have told them. He probably doesn’t remember because it didn’t happen. He wouldn’t say it didn’t happen because we don’t remember every little thing we did 50 years ago. Even if it did happen he probably thought it was harmless fun. In today’s hyper-sensitive PC environment libs are trying to make a big deal out of it but at the time it would have been very forgettable, at least for Romney and his buds.


8 posted on 05/11/2012 9:19:50 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: Qbert

“There is currently no evidence that the facts not yet disproved are false. As this story progresses, we are confident that facts for which there is no evidence will remain undisproved. Just ask Dan Rather.”


9 posted on 05/11/2012 9:20:38 PM PDT by lgwdnbdgr
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To: Interesting Times

More like the “Obamudsman.”


10 posted on 05/11/2012 9:22:27 PM PDT by kevao
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To: Qbert

“This part of Horowitz’s story is tangential at best.”

Tangential, misleading coloring that was added to the gossip story and it was removed only after public exposure of errors.

What a white wash of a sham put-up hack job. WashCompost did macaca on george Allen, then attacked candidate McDonnell for a college paper, now this hit piece coordinated-with Obama’s coming out on gay marriage. Part of their DNC-enabling bias.

Lot of takedowns in the conservative blogosphere and elsewhere...

http://theothermccain.com/2012/05/11/bullygate-what-did-jason-horowitz-know-and-when-did-he-know-it/

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/11/Washington-Post-Romney-Bullying-Profile-Contradicted-By-Automobile-Magazine

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/05/postgate_washington_post_behaving_scandalously_in_wake_of_romney_hit_piece.html


11 posted on 05/11/2012 9:27:53 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: MtBaldy

I will tell you that an attack of this violence and enduring result of cutting someone’s hair off, would have been a big deal in 1965. No one could forget doing something of this nature, Romney didn’t forget, he apologized because he evidently was out of control as a group leading bully, and felt that he was nailed by the accusation, a normal person would plainly had been astounded at the idea that they could have done such a thing, and would have angrily dismissed it as absurd and insulting.

I doubt that they will ever uncover an example of Mitt dealing with violence while alone though. We can all see Romney as a bully at the head of his followers asserting himself on the weak, none of us can see him as a guy willing to stand up to a fist fight.


12 posted on 05/11/2012 9:34:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Obama, Romney,"Eurasia" "Eastasia" "Oceania" I can't keep up with the players anymore.)
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To: WOSG

"Tangential, misleading coloring that was added to the gossip story and it was removed only after public exposure of errors."

Yep.

(Good links, btw.)

13 posted on 05/11/2012 9:36:05 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: WOSG

I want to read an interview with OBAMA’S DRUG DEALER!;)


14 posted on 05/11/2012 9:37:16 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: ansel12

"I will tell you that an attack of this violence and enduring result of cutting someone’s hair off, would have been a big deal in 1965. No one could forget doing something of this nature..."

I'm no Romney shill by any means, but if the leftists can forgive Ted Kennedy for watching his secretary drown, Bill Clinton for his sexual harassment settlement (and possible rapes), and Barack Obama for his long-term associations with a racist anti-Semite and a Hamas supporter...

15 posted on 05/11/2012 9:45:26 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

No witnesses, a denial by the family of the said victim and no memory from anyone else involved is a solid story for the Wash Post??


16 posted on 05/11/2012 9:51:28 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Qbert

The media will always be the media, but this guy is a stain on our conservative movement, I can react to revelations about him while simultaneously having a negative reaction to democrats when they are shown as trashy losers, killers, dopers, rapists, and worse.

I can handle all kinds of stories at once.


17 posted on 05/11/2012 9:53:01 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Obama, Romney,"Eurasia" "Eastasia" "Oceania" I can't keep up with the players anymore.)
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To: ansel12

I guess I’m about his age, and I sure remember stuff. In fact I was peripherally involved in a very similar hair cutting incident. I went to a private school, and I heard that something was up in a dorm, and I went over there. There were a bunch of guys that I knew there, and I asked what was going on, and I got the “Oh nothing” answers and I left, not wanting to be involved. In fact, they were going to shave some kid’s head, and ended up just cutting a swath up the back ( as it transpired. ) We all got called in and were told that we faced punishment up to and including expulsion, and when the teacher ( I do remember his name ) finished his statement, I spoke up and said, “I just want to say I didn’t have anything to do with this.” He said, “Why we have you down here as the instigator of the whole thing.” ( Because I was seen coming and going, you see. ) All the other guys vouched for me though, and I was off the hook. Later I saw my wrestling coach, and the only thing he wanted to know was how I got all those other guys to lie for me.

... so yeah, I’m sure he remembers the whole thing.


18 posted on 05/11/2012 9:53:23 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: ansel12

I don’t like Romney, I will not vote for Romney in November.

However, this story is totally bogus. They have no witness to this event, the family denies it happened and no one else remembers it.

Romney is a lib. he will apologize for Skippering a transatlantic slave ship if he is so accused. That is his nature.


19 posted on 05/11/2012 9:56:00 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Qbert
Tyrannosaurus Romney, "alleged bully".



20 posted on 05/11/2012 10:00:58 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Vote for the straight guy.)
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To: MtBaldy
"He probably doesn’t remember because it didn’t happen."

The guy died a few years ago I think.
21 posted on 05/11/2012 10:07:50 PM PDT by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics)
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To: ansel12

Please that is ridiculous I do not think it was violent
cutting someones hair and I think if he apologized it is a good thing. Have you even done any thing 40 or 50 years ago that maybe you might think it in bad taste now? I know
for myself I did some things in my early teens that I thought were funny but as I look back at them they were not so nice or funny.
I made a crank phone call to a funeral home and said that my husband had died and they came out to the address I gave them it was the neighbors across the street from my Grandma’s house I got in big trouble for that but I thought it was funny I was 13 and I am sorry I did that now.


22 posted on 05/11/2012 10:27:05 PM PDT by funfan
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To: ansel12

A haircut really isn’t “violence” in my book.


23 posted on 05/11/2012 10:38:02 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: funfan

Mister, if you don’t think that a group taking down someone they don’t like, and doing it violently enough to succeed in cutting off their hair isn’t violent, then try to to imagine yourself convincing a courtroom that it was really just meaningless pranking to all involved, and the victim and the jury should think of it as like a prank call to a funeral home.


24 posted on 05/11/2012 10:40:50 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Not voting Romney?? Then double up on down ticket races and your participation this election.)
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To: Cementjungle

If you think that it would be easy and non violent for me to shave your head against your will, because I didn’t like you, then I will accept your self description.


25 posted on 05/11/2012 10:44:36 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Not voting Romney?? Then double up on down ticket races and your participation this election.)
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To: Qbert

Everybody does dumb things when they are 15. We all grow up. If he did it recently then I can see the point in even bring it up.


26 posted on 05/12/2012 12:44:10 AM PDT by Greg123456
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To: Qbert
Big deal if it is true. 40 years ago is a life time. I am sure the same reporters who enjoy flinging mud couldnt stand the same scrutiny.
Mitts sucks....but making up stuff and using hearsay is beyond the pale.
27 posted on 05/12/2012 2:26:24 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Rumplemeyer

We will continue to explore their biographies, their decision-making, and their full lives.”...Should’ve done that four years ago.....RIIIIIIGHT.


28 posted on 05/12/2012 2:31:02 AM PDT by Safetgiver (The predator class is upset because they are being shot.)
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To: Cementjungle

Some older guys gave me a “pinkbelly” one time. I grew and got strong and gave three of them a 2x 4 two years later.


29 posted on 05/12/2012 2:42:52 AM PDT by Safetgiver (The predator class is upset because they are being shot.)
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To: MtBaldy

Also, there’s a dumb idea out there that everyone remembers every “bad” thing they’ve ever done. In my experience, people often forget when they have committed an unsensitive or rude act. They are embarrassed about it and suppress it in their brains.

That said, I think this whole story is a bunch of nonsense.


30 posted on 05/12/2012 3:28:25 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: ansel12

Help me find the quote where his head was shaved.


31 posted on 05/12/2012 3:36:45 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Qbert
I always enjoyed his pranks,” said Stu White, a popular friend of Romney’s who went on to a career as a public school teacher and said he has been “disturbed” by the Lauber incident since hearing about it several weeks ago, before being contacted by The Washington Post.

Gee, Mr. Pexton, would it have been too much for this "deeply sourced" article to report how White was told about it; could it have been one of the "Democratic leaning" sources was suborning an account that he could feed to the Washington Post? "Hey, Stu, you remember the time Mitt bullied that freak, don't you?" "no." "Sure you do, Stu; Tom, Dick and Harry remember just like it was yesterday..yada,yada."

32 posted on 05/12/2012 3:45:11 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Qbert

Bottom line - this story is not going to change anyone’s vote. Romney haters will still hate Romney and others will harbor serious doubts about whether this ever happened given the fact that the family does not recall the incident and the incident described would be remembered by family.

Aside from that, the real bully of this story is the Washington Post. The sister is tearful when questioned and furious that her brother has been used to further an agenda. Rather than backing off the story, the Post doubles down on it with no regard whatsoever to the pain they are causing to the family of this young man. He has been dead since 2004 and the Post uses him and his family shamelessly to further their own liberal agenda. SICKENING!


33 posted on 05/12/2012 4:18:10 AM PDT by onevoter
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To: Qbert

The rats really are desperate.


34 posted on 05/12/2012 4:30:19 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Qbert

What about Obama admitting to bullying and hitting an unpopular little black girl that he wrote about in his first book. Who attacks a girl? That tells me more about Obama’s character than the Romney incident. Where was this story and subsequent investigaton by WAPO and other liberal papers. There was none.


35 posted on 05/12/2012 5:05:11 AM PDT by mfish13 (ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!)
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To: Qbert

What about Obama admitting to bullying and hitting an unpopular little black girl that he wrote about in his first book. Who attacks a girl? That tells me more about Obama’s character than the Romney incident. Where was this story and subsequent investigaton by WAPO and other liberal papers. There was none.


36 posted on 05/12/2012 5:05:24 AM PDT by mfish13 (ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!)
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To: New Jersey Realist

Romney apologized, so there IS truth about the story.

Romney harassed a passenger on JETBlue a few years
ago, too. Then there are the FAKE BADGES and his
other lies and myths.

Compared to the myths, this event was relatively accurate.


37 posted on 05/12/2012 5:06:13 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: mfish13

Give it a break.

Romney was CHOSEN for you because he negates
everything problematical about the undocumented IMAM.

Bad governing.
Ineligibility.
RomneyCARE/ObamaCARE
Flipflopping
TARP
Sharia
Ego off-planet
Thinks he is a ‘god’.
History of covering up fraud

... plus Romney has a few other negatives of his own.


38 posted on 05/12/2012 5:09:15 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Diogenesis
Romney apologized, so there IS truth about the story.

Then you didn't listen to his actual remarks but to others' characterizations of those remarks and then drew a faulty conclusion. You need to be more careful than the Washington Post.
39 posted on 05/12/2012 5:09:53 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Qbert
The boy, John Lauber, was frightened and in tears, Horowitz explained, and the boy turned out to be gay.

The Trayvonification of the news. They've got a meme and they're running with it as hard as they can to get in as much damage as they can before it peters out. Then it will be dropped and they'll move on to the next bit. The evolution of this in the news has been from "...a student some thought was gay..." to "...a student many thought was gay..." to "...the boy turned out to be gay..." to "...Romney bullied a gay student."
40 posted on 05/12/2012 5:16:33 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: ansel12; funfan
Mister, if you don’t think that a group taking down someone they don’t like, and doing it violently enough to succeed in cutting off their hair isn’t violent, then try to to imagine yourself convincing a courtroom that it was really just meaningless pranking to all involved, and the victim and the jury should think of it as like a prank call to a funeral home.

You obviously have an agenda, and that is to make sure no one votes for Romney. To believe this BS story after the family has denied it happened and with NO eyewitnesses what so ever says volumes about your intelligence. The incident didn't happen. Romney apologized because that is what RINOs and liberals do. He doesn't remember it because it didn't happen.

41 posted on 05/12/2012 5:16:51 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Qbert
“Our intention with this story and future stories about both Mitt Romney and President Obama is to give people the fullest possible portrait of the men who are running for president. We will continue to explore their biographies, their decision-making, and their full lives.”

Neither the Wash Post nor any other main stream media have done this with Obama. They have only reprinted the hagiography distributed by the Obama campaign and gone no farther.

Person X a few weeks ago heard about incident Y that supposedly happened over 45 years ago and supposedly involved Romney and that's huge news. But they ignore a participating eyewitness, so to speak (even though the witness has spoken about it in a very public forum), of Barry's relatively recent starring role in Tool Time in the Limo and cocaine use (this enthusiastic predilection for cocaine, as well as pot, alcohol, and other drugs definitively corroborated in Barry's very own voice in his award winning reading of "his" Dreams from My Father).
42 posted on 05/12/2012 5:36:23 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: ansel12
I know where you're coming from.

Just a couple of weeks ago I went to get a haircut.

I was so traumatized by it I shot the barber, but I didn't stop there.

I also killed the barbers entire family, including the dog, which I ate.

Obama 2012!

43 posted on 05/12/2012 5:49:11 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Qbert

“Our intention with this story and future stories about both Mitt Romney and President Obama is to give people the fullest possible portrait of the men who are running for president. We will continue to explore their biographies, their decision-making, and their full lives.”


Wow. They don’t even blink when they lie.


44 posted on 05/12/2012 6:00:29 AM PDT by Peet (Everything has an end -- only the sausage has two.)
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To: Qbert

I guess WaPo hasn’t heard the family has stated the story is factually incorrect.


45 posted on 05/12/2012 6:11:10 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: Peet
Here's the WaPo portraits, Trayvon style:


46 posted on 05/12/2012 6:23:47 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: IMR 4350

If you are the kind of guy that your enemies can take you down and cut off your hair by force, and you convince yourself that it just a haircut that you might not have chosen on your own, then you must have the kind of life stories that would excite submissive masochists the world over.


47 posted on 05/12/2012 7:31:51 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Not voting Romney?? Then double up on down ticket races and your participation this election.)
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To: gusopol3

LOL, non-violent? As you try (and are succeeding) to tell us that being dominated and having your hair cut off by your enemies wouldn’t take violence to accomplish, you prove it by meekly asking if they mean to use a razor for the bald look, or scissors for the hacked off Frankenstein look. You have convinced me of your type.

If you think that it would be easy and non violent for me to shave your head against your will, because I didn’t like you, then I will accept your self description.


48 posted on 05/12/2012 7:42:35 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Not voting Romney?? Then double up on down ticket races and your participation this election.)
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To: ansel12
Go take some Ex-lax.

It'll cure that phony outrage right up.

49 posted on 05/12/2012 7:49:47 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: ansel12

Excuse me ? Where did I say “non-violent?” I simply asked where it was stated his head was shaved. Please show that to me since you’ve now claimed it at least twice, and I hadn’t run into it anywhere else.


50 posted on 05/12/2012 7:52:49 AM PDT by gusopol3
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