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How Horrific Will It Be For The Non-Prepper?
SHTF Plan ^ | 5-12-2012 | Be Informed

Posted on 05/12/2012 2:48:24 PM PDT by blam

How Horrific Will It Be For The Non-Prepper?

Be Informed
May 12th, 2012
SHTFplan

This article has been made available by regular SHTF Plan contributor Be Informed.

Editor’s Note: You have no doubt had your own set of issues dealing with friends and family members that simply don’t see the writing on the wall. The following article may serve to assist you in convincing those who simply don’t know, don’t want to know, don’t care, or have never even thought to contemplate. Some of the scenarios outlined below may be frightening, as they should be, because when it hits the fan millions of people will be thrown into desperation with no hope of a solution. Be Informed provides a variety of point-by-point details that may (and hopefully will) convince the non-prepared individual to at least insulate themselves with the basic necessities. The consequences for not doing so, as you’ll see, are severe and often deadly.

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I have become personally so disenchanted with the way people fail to prep. People still don’t understand how important it is to put away. I have gotten into arguments over this and had cretins call me a fool because I put away food, water, and supplies. I thought about this and the frustration that other preppers have with this laid back idiotic attitude that there is no need for preparation. There are good people that just can’t/won’t start preparing. They have the money to do so, but just don’t want to. Many have only seen what happens to non-preppers on TV, but it still doesn’t make an impact.

In this article I detail some hard core realities to show just how awful it will be for those that don’t prep. Every one of these scenarios is something that has occurred to the non-prepper throughout history. While strong images come to mind, the purpose is to jar some people out of their inaction and into action before it is too late.

Preppers are good people and care much about those around them, and unless something does jar those around them that choose not to prep, their own survival chances could be reduced. For every bit of food, water, ammunition, or supplies you sacrifice to the non-prepper, the fewer irreplaceable supplies are left for you and your family in a crisis situation. It is hoped that the following can help certain people put into TRUE perspective just how horrific it will be for those that don’t prepare.

Here are the awful consequences for those refusing to prep.

As the world continues to decay at multiple facets, the common person has and continues to be lulled into a sense that everything is improving and will continue to for the distant future. After all, to them unemployment has peaked out and will drop until everyone that wants to work will easily be able to find good paying work, North Korea is no threat because all their long range “bottle rockets” fizz out, sanctions will eventually make Iran give up their nuclear program, oil prices will start going down after June or so, Europe will bail out Greece and Spain and everyone else, and U.S. debt will eventually come under control.

After 2012 everyone that has prepared themselves will go back to more “sensible” lives. “Good times are coming”, baseball season is here, let’s get back to watching some more crackerjack news.

It is amazing how people become good conversationalists with most others discussing all the gossip related news, while becoming mentally tranquilized into a totally deceptive state of denial of truly dangerous issues of the times. It’s the blind leading the blind… right off the cliff.

Rather than dealing with harsh reality, people surround themsleves with easy to digest material that can be talked about without directly influencing anyone’s lives. Meaningless chatter. Even for those unwilling to even think to prepare for a societal catastrophic event, there is also no desire to even face the extreme possibility of a sudden loss of one’s employment. A personal SHTF.

Look at some of the terrible personal pain experienced in America right now – and it hasn’t even hit the fan on a grand scale. Those people who have lived it up on credit, who failed to put much of anything away for a rainy day, who’ve lost their job, and who eventually lost their unemployment benefits are experiencing the first level of collapse. This is happening to millions of people in our own country, all around us, as we speak.

These Americans, who once enjoyed the luxuries that modern living had to offer, are now at their wits end, with very little hope for a return to their previous lives. They are no longer able to pay most or any of their bills. Many have to humiliatingly turn to others for help to pay for food, or worse, to obtain old, unhealthy and poor tasting food from locally funded food banks. Their credit cards are totally worthless. Many have been evicted from their homes and have uprooted their families to live either on the street, in tent cities, with relatives, or have been forced to live at homeless shelters, They’ve have had their vehicles repossessed, or simply can’t afford the gasoline anymore. Their living conditions often make it difficult, if not impossible, to look presentable for job interviews. For many, the life of stability they knew just a short while ago is gone, replaced with fear and a constant stress to the point of nervous breakdown.

A personal economic meltdown is confined to the individual or family, or at worst a few families. The human civilization remains intact and so do society’s safety nets.

With food assistance, rental assistance, homesless shelters, and family to turn to, even the most destitute are almost always able to find some sort of help – however menial.

It is no wonder with these known assistance programs, then, that people have forgotten or never thought to consider what happens IF and WHEN human civilization goes through a strong enough SHTF event. If that happens on a mass scale what happens to everyone that needs help that has not prepared ahead of time? What happens when governments are in such total disarray or destroyed altogether that they can’t help even if they wanted to?

The media and others have portrayed the good people that sacrifice much if not all “luxuries” of life to prepare themselves and their family and friends for extreme times, as chicken littles. Those who have made the choice to store up emergency food, water, and other necessities to avoid extreme life threatening risks, including suffering horribly during and after a widespread SHTF event, are laughed at and ridiculed often for “wasting” their lives on delusional paranoia.

But who is delusional? Those who see the signs around them and understand how vulnerable the system is, or those who believe that things never change, that politicians have their best interests at heart, and that if the worst happens the government will be there to provide everything they may need?

How many have considered the dire consequences of their failure to prepare in the event that the infrastructure and everything a country’s people depend on totally collapses?

The misery from long term unemployment and lack of money is like a walk in the park compared to the severe anguish and dangerous conditions that await those who have failed to prepare for the aftermath of a large scale cataclysm. The “minor” problems of unemployment that seem extremely major and painful to most today should serve as a wake up call to what life will be like when something much, much worse happens – when those proverbial safety nets are no longer there to catch us.

Many preppers have become deeply frustrated at those around them, especially those that truly mean something to them, because they simply refuse to put away anything at all for emergencies. The prepper is usually a person that cares a lot and it is often difficult for them to take a tough stance towards the people that they care about. However, unless someone changes the habits of those people that fail to get ready, decisions will need to be made, and they won’t be easy.

The choice of what the prepared prepper should do will boil down to either either adding these people to their own circle or survival group and reduce the group’s safety, supplies and self sufficiency, OR, they will have to let the non-prepper fend for themselves. This is a very personal choice, and each of us will need to decide based on our own morals, ethics and personal relationships.

As a last ditch effort, discussing the following scenarios with the non-prepper may help them understand what life will be like without what has sustained them so comfortably for so long.

This is the hard reality the non prepper needs to understand:

* Without power the water company cannot get water to their faucets. Without water dehydration occurs within 24 hours. Dehydration causes much suffering before death.

* Toilets in homes, unless they have an incineration toilet that still need power to work, don’t flush without water. Where will they go to the bathroom and then where will they dispose of human waste?

* There will be no clean water available anywhere, especially in major cities, and they cannot live more than about three days without it.

* Drinking dirty and polluted water will make them incredibly sick and accelerate the dehydration process.

* Polluted water must be purified and that means having a good filter, bleach or other disinfectant, or fuel and something to boil water with.

* Understand just how fragile the power and the infrastructure is that pumps water to the public. A breakdown in our power infrastructure or a cyber attack against utility systems will render them useless.

* A single event can rapidly lead to a cascade of other events that would certainly collapse almost, if not, everything. This is why major snow storms, hurricanes or solar events in the past have affected millions of people in an entire region all at once.

* A single, seemingly unimportant event may become quite terrible as its repercussions spread; this can include a far and away disaster.

* Understand that the economies of the world are so interwoven that when one major economy falls it affects everyone.

* Not having any food in the house means that if the stores are emptied suddenly in a bad enough situation that there will be no food available for a long period of time afterward. Recent history during disasters around the world has shown that stores can literally be emptied in minutes.

* Think about how totally horrible the feeling of being very hungry is and what circumstances would cause one to be desperate enough to eat anything.

* ALL stores can be closed instantly under martial law.

* Understand that you may not be able to purchase anything after it starts, especially with any credit cards.

* Understand the complexity of food and water distribution; breaks in these chains can stop anything from getting to the people.

* What life will be like if no toilet paper is stored? Understand that without light sources, the night will be pitch black, often with zero visibility.

* There will be no communications, other than probably martial law type of instructions over the radio, that is if they have batteries for the radio.

* Other than ham and shortwave radio, any information that is available will be sent out by the government as filtered propaganda that “they” want everyone to hear.

* Without power consider what it will be like to not have any heat to stay warm, or air conditioned air to stay cooler – with no way of alleviating the situation.

* Travelling will likely be by foot or bicycle, as there will be no fuel and roadways may be blocked.

* Realize that ANY travel outside of the home or neighborhood will be extremely dangerous as ANYONE who moves becomes a target

* Non preppers will be pushed way beyond their limit because of lack of supplies.

* The non prepper must realize their government does not really care about them individually, that they are a mere number and help will likely not come from them.

* They have to figure out somewhere to get food. This can mean wild plants which they must know how to identify as safe, or risk poisoning themselves.

* They have to understand that when we refer to “having no food” it doesn’t mean not having the food they are used to enjoying, it means no food to eat at all.

* They have to understand that if they are fortunate enough to have any running water, they will probably have to bathe in cold water for lack of stored fuel to heat water.

* They have to realize that the very strange and totally unexpected is going to be all around them, made that much worse because of lack of any reliable self defense stores or skills.

* They might have to remain on the run constantly because of looking for water and food.

* They must understand that bad will be magnified magnitudes to living misery because of lack of food, water, and other necessary items that they took for granted for so long.

Okay, now comes the “truly ugly and unthinkable” life that most, if not all, people that have failed and refused to prepare themselves will deal with. Clear vivid visualization is key here for anyone that ho hums the idea of prepping.

What horrors they will likely face after a cave-in of their nation’s economy, war, geophysical upheaval, or whatever crisis is bad enough to disturb or stop their nation from working and functioning? There are plenty of very potential SHTF events that are simply awaiting a catalyst to trigger them.

* The Non-Prepper (NP) has to realize right off the bat that 911 and other emergency calls in will be met with silence or some recording telling the caller not to panic.

* The (NP) that has no reliable self defense that can stop an attacker, will not get help from public services, and will become a victim of rape, assault, torture, or murder.

* The (NP) that has no reliable self defense and will not only be at the mercy of criminal elements, but also have to contend with many desperate animals, some with rabies.

* The (NP) that has no food will either have to find food or be ready to beg for food or worse, like sacrificing their bodies or other horrible acts or things to get a bite of food.

* The (NP) will have to go through the worst, most rancid conditions of garbage to just maybe find what they should have stored up.

* The (NP) will go through panic and near if not total psychosis looking for any water source right before their bodies begin shutting down during advanced stages of dehydration.

* The (NP) will go through unbearable trauma when their children and other people around them are crying, screaming, and suffering with intense hunger pains in their stomachs.

* The (NP) will have to deal with the awful stench of rotting wastes from many sources because they have not taken the effort to even store up waste disposal plastic bags.

* The (NP) will have disease and pathogens everywhere, not only because they have no trash disposal means, but because they haven’t prepared how to deal with trash and waste.

* The (NP) will have to live in very primitive conditions after things around them deteriorate rapidly, because they have neglected putting away anything to make life more bearable.

* The (NP) and those around them will likely develop all sorts of infective skin rashes from the lack of insight of storing up toilet paper. Imagine the smell for a moment.

* The (NP) will have to handle biting insects and other vermin that will collect amoungst the filth that will pile up. No pest control stored up along with no other supplies.

The (NP) will have no way of treating sickness certain to follow a SHTF event, no first aid and likely no training or knowledge about how to treat the ill on top of this.

* The (NP) will have sick and dying people around them because of not being able to treat minor injuries. Didn’t even stock up on disinfectives. Unsanitary conditions lead to infection.

* The (NP) and others around them will experience much grief as they watch helplessly as their family members literally die of starvation right in front of their eyes.

* The (NP) won’t believe how desperate hunger drives them and those that mean everything to them to “trying” to eat food that taste so bad it gags them and comes back up.

* The (NP) will likely have family and friends around them that have also not prepared committing suicide because they can’t take it any longer.

* The (NP) will witness some of those people around them lose any sense of civilized humanity in them and behave like wild animals after some time from lack of necessities.

* The (NP) and family members, maybe friends also, will at some point end up barbecuing or eating raw the family dog, cat, bird, any pet dear to everyone for food.

* The (NP) will likely get into physical fights with other family members over any scrap of food available as rational thoughts are lost to wanton hunger.

* The (NP) as many other (NP’s) will eventually go out of any safety of their home looking for food and or water, become disorientated and lost, and die a hard death somewhere.

* The (NP) that is “lucky” enough to find some government help will likely have to almost sell their soul, probably all their freedom, to get tiny rations – just enough to keep them alive.

* The (NP) will see widespread violence and barbarism that will shock them to the core and will wish that they had purchased some form of firearm and stocked up on ammunition.

* The (NP) better get used to attempting to explain the children and other adults why they wasted all that money on junk, and didn’t buy any emergency food and other supplies.

* The (NP), no matter how positive they are will drop quickly into depression and lose willpower as having nothing to hold on to does this, along with lack of any nutrition.

* The (NP) will feel the worst guilt imaginable as they hear their family moaning in anguish from lack of anything to eat, knowing they could have done something to prepare.

* The (NP) will most likely not see the rebuilding and recovery after A SHTF event. They will, like almost all NP’s, be statistics. Some will die hours or a day before help arrives.

* The (NP) from lack of food, drinking bad water, no light at night, the horrid smells, no good self defense, the overall horror, will often be paralyzed with fear and despair, blank stare.

* The (NP) is totally helpless after SHTF, will have to rely totally on charity of those prepared to live. They will take all sorts of desperate measures likely to get them shot. They’ll attempt to eat hazardous foods like an animal trapped in a house will do, and get sick and suffer much before dying. The (NP) will likely die (ugly and hard) as they lived, unprepared for anything.

If we were to use one single word to describe the torments that someone who “chooses” not to prepare will go through after a true you know what hits the fan it would be “PREVENTABLE”.

Almost every single person, even a very poor person, has the capacity to put away emergency food and supplies. Even homeless people have stashes of something just in case things become so bad that the normal hand outs and thrown-away items dry up. Many people with good sources of income don’t even have an extra can of food or any water put away at all. This is stupidity beyond words.

Every day lightweight disasters happen in all parts of the world that disturb services enough that people are confined to their homes for a certain amount of time. While recovery is short, people are still uncomfortable during these times. Look what happens after a power outage at night and you will be mystified at how many homes are completely dark for hours. People have not even bought an extra couple of candles or any battery operated light sources. Even in well-to-do neighborhoods you may hear only a lone generator going after a blackout. This lack of preparedness is truly frightening and plays itself out again, again, and again every time services are disrupted for minor to major reasons. It’s as if there is something wrong with storing extra food, water, and supplies.

Even after “lessons” played out to what happens to those non-prepared, most people still feel that it just cannot happen to them, or won’t ever happen to them again. It should be proof enough to people what happens to those unprepared after disasters simply by looking at those that have gone through it firsthand. The difference, though, comes in that these disasters have had recovery periods and help from others. Even Haiti received some help and conditions remain putrid over there.

After a TRUE SHTF, it is presumable that government help and others coming to the aid of those in need WON’T happen for long periods of time. During that time those that have chosen to not put food, water, and necessities away are going to be in life threatening positions. Most people just don’t get that when the supermarket shelves are empty they will stay that way for an extended period. When the utilities go down, especially water, it may be weeks, months, or longer before they come back, if ever. Without what someone needs to survive each day, it is not going to magically appear, and depending on the goodwill of others to feed them and sacrifice their own family’s survival chances is a terrible choice.

People MUST know what life will be like after SHTF in mega fashion if they refuse to prepare. This is NOT new. Terrible events have plunged people into the deepest levels of desperation and hopelessness, and they will happen again and again.

While the above consequences to the non-prepper are extremely abysmal for anyone to read, the simple fact of the matter is they have already happened time and time again to those that have nothing put away. People have resorted to cannibalism and gone to levels of primitive savage behavior out of shear desperation and out of literally losing their minds to the physical depletion of food and water that keeps the physical body operating. Sometimes showing the extreme severity and results of a person’s lack of action, such as failure of the simple act of putting away extra food, water, and supplies, can be the kick in the complacency that they need.

It’s really easy to put away food and supplies. All one has to do is add a little bit of extra food to the grocery cart for long-term storage. Over time this adds up to a well stocked pantry of supplies.

There is something that is in a can of food that everyone can eat and enjoy the taste of, so talk to family members about their nutritional preferences and start stocking up. Toilet paper and other supplies that really don’t have any expiration date can be put away and forgotten about ’til needed.

There MUST be common sense and intelligence to see what happens IF they don’t stock up for the future. There has to be the DESIRE to get started, and this is the real problem with so many.

Once started, however, prepping becomes a type of life saving routine or positive lifestyle habit. It is easy and can and will save one from misery. It may save their life and the lives of their family from ruin when SHTF, which is almost inevitably going to happen someday. Every month and year that goes by without a true SHTF event, makes it more likely that it will happen. Basic statistical chance shows this to be the case, but people continue the same pattern of behavior that has led them to the same devastation countless time before.

For those preppers that have people around them that refuse to prepare, you can at least have some degree of solace knowing that you tried to show the non-prepping person(s) what not having anything will mean to them and their families.

All we can do is try. Once we’ve given it our best shot, all we can do is let those who have been warned about the direness of the possibilities live their lives the way that want to. They will, unfortunately, live in a world of regret and suffering if the nation and the world falls apart around them.

To every action there is an opposite equal reaction. Preppers will see their efforts have been more than worth it. Objects that are motionless tend to remain motionless and non-preppers will find there are horrific consequences for their lack of effort and motion to put away “life insurance” preps for themselves and their families.


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1 posted on 05/12/2012 2:48:35 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Thanks.


2 posted on 05/12/2012 2:51:24 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer, but when it is, itÂ’s the only answer.)
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To: Kartographer

Ping.


3 posted on 05/12/2012 2:56:58 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: blam

Simple answer: There are a lot more NP than you. They will eventually overwhelm any defense you have.


4 posted on 05/12/2012 2:57:00 PM PDT by 1raider1
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To: blam

I can’t read all that. My attention span is too short today. But I read the title.

Here’s my thoughts...

non preppers will make not just their own lives miserable. they will make your life miserable too. Think about it. The ideal is if everyone is a prepper, then the disaster is not a disaster. The disaster is what happens when non preppers become desperate and do desperate things.

and that is the cliffs notes version of your article.


5 posted on 05/12/2012 2:57:37 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: blam
Bookmark.

Add to my list : (more)Insect repellent.

People on the Gulf coast, smart people, know all too well about prep.
Insect repellent, can get it by the case at *Sams*, will never go to waste down here.
Deep Woods Off, pretty good.

6 posted on 05/12/2012 2:58:48 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Newt......Nuff said.)
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To: blam

As a result of Ike, the hurricane, Texas requires all municipal water systems to have adequte power generation on site to keep pressures up to snuff.

One of the best things we have done and you might want to contact your state legislators about doing the same.


7 posted on 05/12/2012 2:59:41 PM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: blam

Storms, floods, and other natural disasters are historically more likely than a national collapse into capability paralysis. Yet few people even prep for that, something that may call for only a couple weeks or so of roughing it.

Of course it’s an individual choice, and that ought to be honored. Maybe some people WOULD rather just quickly die if the poop impacts the propeller.


8 posted on 05/12/2012 3:00:18 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: 1raider1

Organizational prepping (like at a church level) is, I’d think, better than so many loner efforts.


9 posted on 05/12/2012 3:01:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Organizational prepping (like at a church level) is, I’d think, better than so many loner efforts.

It sure doesn't hurt. I think we'll fare far better in little towns.
10 posted on 05/12/2012 3:04:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: blam
If there were no ‘non preppers’ You would not have your supplies. Whiney bitches.
11 posted on 05/12/2012 3:05:15 PM PDT by allmost
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To: buffaloguy
"As a result of Ike, the hurricane, Texas requires all municipal water systems to have adequte power generation on site to keep pressures up to snuff. "

During Katrina, we lost everything but water for seven days...the fresh running water was a life saver.

12 posted on 05/12/2012 3:08:29 PM PDT by blam
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To: 1raider1
They will eventually overwhelm any defense you have.

With what resources? Stuff they prepped with? They aren't preppers.

/johnny

13 posted on 05/12/2012 3:08:29 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: blam

The Twilight Zone episode “The Shelter” comes to mind.


14 posted on 05/12/2012 3:08:53 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: buffaloguy
Texas requires all municipal water systems to have adequte power generation on site to keep pressures up to snuff.

What is their fuel and how long can they run for?

15 posted on 05/12/2012 3:11:00 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: blam

Are the Yankees playing today?

blam, been thinking about this a little more practically, lately. aven’t got the resources to puurchase one of those kits advertised, but do have some common sense + and some experience with long term winter power outages.

Here’s my preliminary list.
Be glad to have your input. Be kind.

a stash of:
rice
beans (maybe canned)
canned tomatoes
pasta
Oatmeal

Ballon water bottles

firewood

peroxide
bleach
bandages
colloidal siver
books + Bible &missal

matches
playing cards

aspirin

ammo
have a 9 mm w/ one magazine know how to shoot don’t know haow to get more magazines

glashight
basic tools

plastic bags
shovel


16 posted on 05/12/2012 3:12:26 PM PDT by stanne
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To: 1raider1

Gosh, that’s my thinking.


17 posted on 05/12/2012 3:13:33 PM PDT by stanne
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To: 1raider1
Simple answer: There are a lot more NP than you. They will eventually overwhelm any defense you have.

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This is absolutely one thing that any prepper should take into account.

The Non-Prepper.

I am certain that there will be more non-preppers than preppers, those who will try and take by force that which they need - and who can blame them?

Not me. I don;t blame them one bit.

But non-preppers, well..do they have the ammo to back up their threats?

18 posted on 05/12/2012 3:14:24 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: stanne
Man could do a lot with that list. Dried beans and knowing how to cook them are a whole lot cheaper than canned.

If you don't know how to cook dried beans, I'd be glad to give you some instructions.

/johnny

19 posted on 05/12/2012 3:16:39 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: blam

Something to consider.

In all of our (America’s) modern day experiences with disasters the calvalry is always ready to come riding to the resue in a few days or weeks.

It is only a matter of time before FEMA, the Red Cross or other relief groups show up with MRE’s, water and medical assistance. Usually local law enforcement or the National Guarrd show up fairly soon to restore some sort of civil order and work crews are right behind to clean up debri and restore utilities.

In a severe SHTF epidode most, or all of that support will not be there for extended periods, or maybe never.

When the supermarket shelves go bare and the utilities go down it may be for the rest of our lives.


20 posted on 05/12/2012 3:20:11 PM PDT by Iron Munro
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To: stanne

Have you made defensive mobility a concern? Or, is your home prepared for defense?

Having the proper supplies to survive is only as good as your ability to defend them.


21 posted on 05/12/2012 3:20:31 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: blam

The main problem I would have here is heat during the Summer. I have plenty of water around me and I have enough food for several months tho I would get tired of spam, rice, and beans.

I have a couple of generators. They would run my window unit, but not my central ac for a few days after a hurricane etc. but not permanently.

I have no where near the guns I want but actually more than enough for any purpose. More .22 rimfire including magnum, than I will ever use, also more 12 gauge. I only have a few boxes of 20 gauge.

Adequate supplies of 9mm and 40 S&W but only a few boxes of .380.

I only have around 200 rounds of 8mm Mauser and that is almost all corrosive but it will still do the job. More than adequate supply of 6.5X55 and most of it is either Norma or Lapua match.

I need more 30-06 and more .243 but with the others I will get by. Also I have more pellets and pellet rifles than I could ever possibly use.

Every other thing I can think of is more than what I need and most of it just from things I have accumulated over the years.

I do wish I had more gasoline tho.


22 posted on 05/12/2012 3:21:35 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: KittenClaws
I am certain that there will be more non-preppers than preppers, those who will try and take by force that which they need - and who can blame them?

That's the main reason small towns are the best place to be. Common defense. At least here east of the Mississippi its not a matter of a big city against a small town. Its a matter of a big city against hundreds of small interconnected towns.
23 posted on 05/12/2012 3:22:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: yarddog

The main problem I would have here is heat during the Summer.

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You may have to choose between comfort and survival. Have you thought along those lines?


24 posted on 05/12/2012 3:23:41 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Oh, please do. I remeber something about soaking afor eight hours and rinsing to avoid negative effects.

Thanks.


25 posted on 05/12/2012 3:24:12 PM PDT by stanne
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To: blam
Frankly, only a fool would tell anyone that he's a prepper.
When the SHTF, those who know will tell EVERYONE who doesn't.

The best defense is secrecy.

26 posted on 05/12/2012 3:24:21 PM PDT by Cyclops08
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To: RWB Patriot
"The Twilight Zone episode “The Shelter” comes to mind. "

The Shelter (Part 2 of 3)

27 posted on 05/12/2012 3:24:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Thirty days until pretty widespread cannibalism.

Possibly less.


28 posted on 05/12/2012 3:25:23 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: KittenClaws

I agree, but don’t have much in the way of a place to mobilize to.


29 posted on 05/12/2012 3:26:16 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne
Here’s my preliminary list.
Be glad to have your input. Be kind.

Some sort of antibiotic - like Ampicillin, Penicillin, Amoxicillin, Keflex, etc.

Get them here at reasonable prices, no prescription required:

http://tinyurl.com/brfusk3

30 posted on 05/12/2012 3:28:47 PM PDT by Iron Munro
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To: blam
Toilet Paper? Really?

Puhleeeze.
Money can be spent on MUCH more useful objects than TP.

Whatever DID we do before TP? I, personally, can remember using magazine pages in an outhouse and I can tell you that in the Philippines the use of waste water for washing your behind is still an option.

31 posted on 05/12/2012 3:29:29 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Looking over my list all I can think is; why don’t I ever use the editing function?

Anyway, any advise on a stove and/or water purification sysem?


32 posted on 05/12/2012 3:30:31 PM PDT by stanne
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To: blam
How do you prep for this?
33 posted on 05/12/2012 3:30:43 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: cripplecreek
That's the main reason small towns are the best place to be. Common defense. At least here east of the Mississippi its not a matter of a big city against a small town. Its a matter of a big city against hundreds of small interconnected towns.

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I agree. And all well and good - BUT.

Do you know your neighbors? Do they feel as you do? Are your neighbors complacent, do they believe the government will save them?

A group or small community in a survival situation, is much better than the individual, but these individuals need to be identified beforehand.

I'm not saying tell the Christian lady or avid hunter next door that you are a prepper, I'm saying, get to know people that could be of service.

don't ASSUME.

34 posted on 05/12/2012 3:31:50 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: Iron Munro

Good one. Thanks. I do like colloidal siver as well both systemically and topically. Too much IS too much, like anything.
Neosporin, I’d better get.


35 posted on 05/12/2012 3:33:17 PM PDT by stanne
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To: yarddog
"I do wish I had more gasoline tho. "

I'm stock piling 20 pound propane tanks.

Unbelieveably, I bought two full tanks yesterday at a garage sell for $15.00 total for both. No kidding. The guy selling them does foreclosed HUD Housing 'clean-outs' and sells the stuff he cleans out...these two tanks were included. I have about 25 now. The gas does not go bad over time.

36 posted on 05/12/2012 3:33:49 PM PDT by blam
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To: stanne
No problem.

If you have no place to mobilize to (or if you did, there is no guarantee you could get to it), plan accordingly.

Number one is defense of your assets.

37 posted on 05/12/2012 3:36:34 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: stanne
"Neosporin, I’d better get. "

Get some antibiotics too. I have gotten mine here for years.

A Doctor's Thoughts on Antibiotics, Expiration Dates, and TEOTWAWKI, by Dr. Bones

38 posted on 05/12/2012 3:38:58 PM PDT by blam
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To: stanne
What I have to say is based on the pinto bean, and my years of making them. It is also based on my culinary school experience and years of feeding USAF troops and cooking at fine dining restaurants.

Dried beans should be picked over for dirt, rocks, twigs, etc and rinsed several times.

Beans can be soaked overnight and then rinsed before cooking, or a quick method is to bring beans to a boil with water well covering them (they will absorb water), allow to sit for an hour or two, covered, then rinsed and cooked.

Whatever the depth of the beans in the pan, I put 2x that depth in water over them and bring them to a boil, and then reduce them to a simmer. Now is the time to add flavorings that you may have. That can include onions (wild or stored), garlic (wild or stored), fatty meats like pork or possum, hot peppers, salt and pepper.

Depending on the age of the beans and your altitude, it may take from 3 to 6 hours to cook the beans until they are tender.

Do NOT allow beans to scorch. That ruins them, and there is no way to make them edible.

I am always happy to answer food and cooking questions, and my history includes living in a shack in the woods on a mountain without power for over two years, so I've got experience in 'survival' cooking.

/johnny

39 posted on 05/12/2012 3:39:26 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: blam

Absolutely!


40 posted on 05/12/2012 3:40:54 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: KittenClaws

My basic thought is secrecy and my glock. Maybe it’s not much.
Maybe I should keep my gas tank full and a stash of cash.

I should have a bike repair dit handy too, I guess.


41 posted on 05/12/2012 3:41:38 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Right Wing Assault

I reviewed the Texas code an it not only involves pumping water but waste treatment facilities are also required to have automatic start power generation power eqipment. There is no specification for the fuel but I have heard diesel is pretty much the rule.

They and hospitals can run forever with the stocks from refineries that we have available. Forever.


42 posted on 05/12/2012 3:42:54 PM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: stanne
I like the kerosene butterfly pressurized burner, but I've cooked over everything from pit fires to car engines to state of the art induction burners.

Others may be better qualified to advise on equipment.

I can make fire. I will cook. That's all the equipment I worry about. ;)

/johnny

43 posted on 05/12/2012 3:45:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’ve got plenty of dried beans.

What I worry about is the water source.

I guess you could put the beans in your mouth until they are soft, chew and swallow.

I’m not being argumentative. This is one of my major concerns about dried beans and rice. Water.

You must have water to drink and/or cook with. With a limited source, wouldn’t you prefer to drink?

I’d love an answer to this, as I am in drought stricken West Texas


44 posted on 05/12/2012 3:45:12 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: blam
How Horrific Will It Be For The Non-Prepper? SHTF

About as horrific as for those who weren't prepared for Y2K.
45 posted on 05/12/2012 3:45:24 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
"How do you prep for this? "

* Isolation

* Tamiflu

* N95 Masks

* 90% alcohol (anything less will not kill a virus)

* Bleach

* An isolation room.

* Purchase/stock foods with antiviral properties. (do a google search)

Do keep in mind that viruses are very, very small...they are about 0.5 microns in size. A human (Caucasian) hair is about 100 microns in size.

Do I have these things = YES!

46 posted on 05/12/2012 3:47:09 PM PDT by blam
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To: stanne
Secrecy and Glock is good.

If you are not mobile and have a source of food, part of secrecy is standing in those food lines with everyone else...

47 posted on 05/12/2012 3:47:59 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: blam

If the bottom falls out, Americans will reorganize themselves pretty quickly to make sure things don’t fall into complete anarchy. The loner preppers out there will be disappointed to find that everything doesn’t just go to hell. No one will come to the them begging for supplies, nor will they be attacked. Mostly they will just be irrelevent, as already existing communities and associations step up and mobilize to make sure needs are met. It will be rough, but it won’t be a return to the jungle. The bottomless pessimism of the preppers will turn out to be false. Sooner or later they will come out of their hidey holes looking for things that only the local community can provide.


48 posted on 05/12/2012 3:48:50 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: KittenClaws
Eating raw dried beans is asking for serious, debilitating health consequences.

Water is an issue for some. I have a lake within walking distance, and my water table here ranges from 18 inches to 4 ft, so I can always get water.

There are many ways to purify it and some good resources out there to learn how to do it.

I'll be using a gravel/sand filter to get out the grotty bits, and then boiling it.

/johnny

49 posted on 05/12/2012 3:50:26 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick

You forgot that all will be singing kum-ba-yah and holding hands.


50 posted on 05/12/2012 3:52:06 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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