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Gov. Jerry Brown says California facing higher-than-expected $16 billion budget shortfall
Washington Post ^ | 05/13/2012

Posted on 05/13/2012 7:47:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — California’s budget deficit has swelled to a projected $16 billion — much larger than had been predicted just months ago — and will force severe cuts to schools and public safety if voters fail to approve tax increases in November, Gov. Jerry Brown said Saturday.

The Democratic governor said the shortfall grew from $9.2 billion in January in part because tax collections have not come in as high as expected and the economy isn’t growing as fast as hoped for. The deficit has also risen because lawsuits and federal requirements have blocked billions of dollars in state cuts.

“This means we will have to go much farther and make cuts far greater than I asked for at the beginning of the year,” Brown said in an online video. “But we can’t fill this hole with cuts alone without doing severe damage to our schools. That’s why I’m bypassing the gridlock and asking you, the people of California, to approve a plan that avoids cuts to schools and public safety.”

Brown did not release details of the newly calculated deficit Saturday, but he is expected to lay out a revised spending plan Monday. The new plan for the fiscal year that starts July 1 hinges in large part on voters approving higher taxes.

The governor has said those tax increases are needed to help pull the state out of a crippling decade shaped by the collapse of the housing market and recession. Without them, he warned, public schools and colleges, and public safety, will suffer deeper cuts.

Democrats, who control the Legislature, have resisted Brown’s proposed cuts so far this year. Republican lawmakers criticized the majority party for building in overly optimistic tax revenues.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: budget; california; deficit; jerrybrown

1 posted on 05/13/2012 7:48:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey Jerry! Choke on it! You dips deserve it.


2 posted on 05/13/2012 7:51:43 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

they need to learn to live within their income.


3 posted on 05/13/2012 7:53:03 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: television is just wrong

So stop spending and up the taxes, you socialist clowns.


4 posted on 05/13/2012 7:54:12 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: SeekAndFind

“The new plan for the fiscal year that starts July 1 hinges in large part on voters approving higher taxes.”

Well , if the voters vote to approve higher taxes, let’s take it to court and get it overturned , just like Prop 8.
Sounds like a plan, moonbeam.
At least it will be tied up in court for possibly years.


5 posted on 05/13/2012 7:54:40 AM PDT by Carl LaFong (Experts say experts should be ignored.)
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To: television is just wrong

The curious thing is if voters (say 51-to-49 percent) vote against the tax hike....then what?

I would anticipate a five percent hike on tuition in the fall. I would also anticipate counties and cities getting less state revenue....so fewer services. If you were a small business man with an operation that could be relocated to Nevada or Arizona....I’d now is the time to find a site and prepare for the move. California has got a minimum of two decades of problems ahead of it.


6 posted on 05/13/2012 7:58:17 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: television is just wrong
They just will not do that. There are an awful lot of nice conservative folks in Kallie - most of them inland and way from LA, SF, etc. minding their own business, working and paying taxes. They still, however, refuse to believe that state is lost and that the people that vastly outnumber them will be coming for what they have when the money is gone. The leeches in Kallie are depending on the other states. Maybe Obama will give them the $16 billion, maybe not. Problem is that there is no $16 billion to give Kallie. Reconquista the place - cut it loose - give it back and write it off, along with all their electoral votes. Would do wonders for the rest of the country.
7 posted on 05/13/2012 7:59:31 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

They want to pay their fair share so let Hollywood bail them out.


8 posted on 05/13/2012 8:03:59 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: SeekAndFind

“Higher than expected”

It is to laugh.


9 posted on 05/13/2012 8:04:36 AM PDT by spankalib (The Marx-in-the-Parks crowd is a basement skunkworks operation of the AFL-CIO)
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To: spankalib

RE: “Higher than expected”

It is to laugh.

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Yes it is. These liberals are CLUELESS.

Any true conservative can predict the consequences of Jerry Brown and the California legislature’s TAX, SPEND and REGULATE policies.

Businesses don’t start or Establish businesses go elsewhere, unemployment rises resulting in less tax payers, the tax base crashes, in the meantime you still need to fulfill the overgenerous obligations you promise government employees. Of course the deficit will rise.

Yet, as you read the article, what does Gov. Moonbeam propose — MORE TAXES !!

This is the definition of insanity — Doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result.

Who was it who said : “Liberalism is a mental disorder”?


10 posted on 05/13/2012 8:11:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

This comes as a surprise to this jackass? He’s stupider than I thought! (And that’s saying plenty!)


11 posted on 05/13/2012 8:12:30 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("You can, in fact must, shout fire in a crowded theatre. It just has to be the truth. " J. Goldberg)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Gov. Jerry Brown says California facing higher-than-expected $16 billion budget shortfall”

Better headline:

California government illegally overspent 16 Billion dollars and expect taxpayers to foot the bill.


12 posted on 05/13/2012 8:18:03 AM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: spankalib
“Higher than expected” - It is to laugh.

Yes indeed, "unexpected" once again. Who knew? Certainly not liberal "experts." Not only are there "higher than expected" deficits due to increased taxes, increased spending, union boot licking & corruption, and unrestricted welcoming & handing out of money to legions of illegal & legal parasites alike, but there are no rainbows and unicorns either. Could we at least have gotten some rainbows & unicorns? That's unexpected as well I guess.

13 posted on 05/13/2012 8:21:43 AM PDT by MCH
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To: Gaffer

DEFICIT = $16 Billion

... the deficit is the short-fall for just this year

... then next year it’s another 16-20 billion ... and more the year after that ... and so, and so on. California has a serious problem with simply saying “no” because its politicians are gutless


14 posted on 05/13/2012 8:29:57 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s extremely expensive to educate, medicate, and incarcerate Mexico’s citizens, but CA will go bankrupt trying.


15 posted on 05/13/2012 8:35:06 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: canuck_conservative

Oh, I agree and understood that. It makes one just want to go out and buy some Kallie Municipal Bonds and wait and see how long it takes to get stiffed like the premium bond holders with GM were. They are going to pay a high price for their ‘caring’. Much of the rest of this country could care less what happens there.


16 posted on 05/13/2012 8:40:07 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind
i guess deporting a few thousand illegal aliens is out of the question..
17 posted on 05/13/2012 8:47:44 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SeekAndFind
Brown and politicians of his stripe remind me of the stereotypical witch doctor in the old black and white movies. In order to scare the demons assailing the patient, he jumps around and shakes a Ju-Ju doll at the afflicted. In this case the Ju-Ju doll is labeled "cuts to schools and public safety".

Yahoo is running this - 14,200+ comments so far, mostly negative. The people get it, the pols don't. Tell me that this is still a Republic.

Symptomatic of Brown's hypocrisy and California's problem is this 2011 article: Brown Deal Lifts Vacation Cap For California Prison Guards

18 posted on 05/13/2012 8:51:45 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Chode

Of course..


19 posted on 05/13/2012 9:06:13 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
what was i thinking???
20 posted on 05/13/2012 9:12:00 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SeekAndFind

I wonder how much more (taxable) economic activity would have occurred in the State had Uncle Jerry not spent the last year threatening to raise taxes on California’s wealth producers. Businesses and those who start new businesses are fleeing the State out of fear of his new taxes. Each one that leaves takes jobs to some other State. California thus looses taxes that would have been paid by the businesses themselves and the income taxes that would have been paid by their workers.


21 posted on 05/13/2012 9:14:33 AM PDT by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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To: Redcloak
Years ago, the company I worked for wanted to build an asphalt storage and load-out plant in Stockton.

By the time the state air board, the county board and the “neighborhood” board got done with us, we built the thing in Reno.

22 posted on 05/13/2012 9:30:15 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Chode

: )


23 posted on 05/13/2012 9:43:36 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: SeekAndFind

IF you send it, they will spend it - and keep coming back for more!

Jerry good buddy, the well has run dry. Can’t get blood out of a turnip. Why don’t you ask Senor Calderon down south of the border to send a donation? After all, most working age Mexicans are already here!

Honestly, the Statehouse in Sacramento is a giant toilet bowl in serious need of a FLUSH!


24 posted on 05/13/2012 9:46:05 AM PDT by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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To: SeekAndFind

“the shortfall grew from $9.2 billion in January in part because tax collections have not come in as high as expected and the economy isn’t growing as fast as hoped for.”

Hard to understand why. But they can just fix that with a $16 billion tax increase. No sweat.


25 posted on 05/13/2012 10:10:00 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: SeekAndFind

Democrats, who control the Legislature cause companies and people to leave the state due to taxes and regulations and the state goes broke.

Make plan B and never vote democrat.


26 posted on 05/13/2012 10:18:30 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: SeekAndFind

Man, “punishing” Evil California businesses by taxing the hell out of them, and forcing them to comply with feel-good environmental legislation, and passing labor laws to please the Unions until Evil California businesses say “screw you” and move to more business-friendly states seem to cut into the tax revenue they need to pay for insanely generous social programs and Big Government! Who knew?


27 posted on 05/13/2012 10:33:26 AM PDT by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
By the time the state air board, the county board and the “neighborhood” board got done with us, we built the thing in Reno.

A company near my old California location, moved out of renting a group of small units, into a nearby larger building that they bought. The California regulators would not allow them to use one of their old machines in the new building. So what they did, was have the inspectors look at the building without that machinery. Then afterward, they moved that machinery into the building. That is the only way to do business in California. In the long run, it has led to the creation of numerous small regional mafias. I kid you not. Was in a restaurant recently that allowed smoking in the greater Los Angeles area. Run by an ethnic mob. State cannot touch them.

28 posted on 05/13/2012 10:52:27 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: SeekAndFind
What a bunch of drivel.

Some reality checks here folks:

1. Tax payers have an upper limit of what they are willing to pay for “effective” government. Notice I didn't say “good” or “bad”. Effective governments accomplishes most of what the tax payers want accomplished.

2. Tax payers know that granting any goverenemtn more funds does not make more “effective’. In fact, the more money a government gets the more likely it is to be ineffective.

3. Given any chance at all a tax payer will take active measures to reduce his tax burden. That's why businesses are leaving California.

4. Given any chance at all a tax payer will take passive measures to reduce his tax burden. That's why businesses aren't expanding in California any more.

5. And finally, tax payers are becoming aware that government officials, elected and otherwise, no longer work for the tax payers. They now work for the organizations that give them larger blocks of money for their elections and reelections. This has been a “hidden” rule in politics at all levels dating back to the late 19th Century. How else did the mobs gain control of so many government entities in the 1920’s and drug runners in the 1980’s? What was a hidden rule has become blatant and the tax payers are saying enough is enough.

29 posted on 05/13/2012 10:54:38 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: SeekAndFind

"Unexpected!"


30 posted on 05/13/2012 11:08:46 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: SeekAndFind

Problem: California has a $16 billion budget shortfall. (Note to Rio Linda: This means the state spent $16 billion more than it took in.)

Solution from Gov. Moonbeam and Donkey legislators: Raise taxes by $16 billion. Problem solved. Next problem.


31 posted on 05/13/2012 2:29:05 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: SeekAndFind

But the DNC is still adding new entitlement programs , read vote buys.

Jerry just added a new program called the dream act, a few months ago.

He said we had the Monet for it.


32 posted on 05/13/2012 3:17:45 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Cain, Perry, Bachman : I trust their judgment on 2012 pick.)
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To: NoLibZone

Some one had posted a year by year of the California State budget.

Does any one have this?


33 posted on 05/13/2012 3:20:53 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Cain, Perry, Bachman : I trust their judgment on 2012 pick.)
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To: NoLibZone
Ask and you shall receive.

Now, can anybody take a wild crazy guess when California began having a structural $20 billion annual budget deficit? Anybody? Bhueller?

Hint: Governor Gray Davis was recalled in 2003.


34 posted on 05/13/2012 3:26:21 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: NoLibZone

As you view that chart, note the California budget was $40 billion in 1995.

So from 1995 to 2007 (12 years) the California budget went from $40 billion to $146 billion.

Nobody should be surprised when California goes insolvent.


35 posted on 05/13/2012 3:30:12 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Correction: $50 billion in 1995 not $40 billion. Point still stands.


36 posted on 05/13/2012 3:31:58 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Thank you Freedom_Is_Not_Free.


37 posted on 05/13/2012 3:39:51 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Cain, Perry, Bachman : I trust their judgment on 2012 pick.)
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To: television is just wrong

“they need to learn to live within their income.”

History teaches us that vote buying with other peoples money never ends until the reset button is hit.


38 posted on 05/13/2012 3:42:08 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Cain, Perry, Bachman : I trust their judgment on 2012 pick.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

The others laughing note this:

EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING that happens in California rolls through your state in less than 10 years.

We saw the coming immigration problem and it ramifications in 1997 , as the others all laughed at the Fed overturning our SOS prop 187 try.


39 posted on 05/13/2012 3:45:54 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Cain, Perry, Bachman : I trust their judgment on 2012 pick.)
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To: SeekAndFind

More lies from Jerry Brown. First, the $16B is a lie - the real deficit is $25B or more if you count the $$ California owes to the USG. Second, the term “temporary tax hike” is an oxymoron - we all know these will become permanent. Third, and speaking of permanent, the only cuts that make sense are the ones Brown is too chicken to propose: 20% across-the-board reduction in funding and staff for every state agency. Get rid of furlough days and pay the remaining employees properly and tell them to do more with less just as the private sector does.

Years ago my Grandpa gave me a bumper sticker: “If it’s Brown, flush it.” Some wisdom is timeless.


40 posted on 05/14/2012 12:42:01 PM PDT by KingofZion
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To: SeekAndFind

More lies from Jerry Brown. First, the $16B is a lie - the real deficit is $25B or more if you count the $$ California owes to the USG. Second, the term “temporary tax hike” is an oxymoron - we all know these will become permanent. Third, and speaking of permanent, the only cuts that make sense are the ones Brown is too chicken to propose: 20% across-the-board reduction in funding and staff for every state agency. Get rid of furlough days and pay the remaining employees properly and tell them to do more with less just as the private sector does.

Years ago my Grandpa gave me a bumper sticker: “If it’s Brown, flush it.” Some wisdom is timeless.


41 posted on 05/14/2012 12:42:27 PM PDT by KingofZion
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To: SeekAndFind

More lies from Jerry Brown. First, the $16B is a lie - the real deficit is $25B or more if you count the $$ California owes to the USG. Second, the term “temporary tax hike” is an oxymoron - we all know these will become permanent. Third, and speaking of permanent, the only cuts that make sense are the ones Brown is too chicken to propose: 20% across-the-board reduction in funding and staff for every state agency. Get rid of furlough days and pay the remaining employees properly and tell them to do more with less just as the private sector does.

Years ago my Grandpa gave me a bumper sticker: “If it’s Brown, flush it.” Some wisdom is timeless.


42 posted on 05/14/2012 12:42:27 PM PDT by KingofZion
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To: NoLibZone

You are welcome


43 posted on 05/14/2012 2:22:46 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why should all of this be NEWS? These voters elected liberals, socialists and communists in their state government, would they expect any thing differently? This state have been anti-business, whether large or small businesses or small businesses. And they have done a marvelous job in chasing as many of these businesses away from California for the last two years, and because they have no other cure for their state of economy, more and more businesses will leave California. By the time election time comes around, if anyone in this state still vote for these people, they deserve the kind of government they get.


44 posted on 05/14/2012 5:50:32 PM PDT by gingerbread
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To: SeekAndFind

Why should all of this be NEWS? These voters elected liberals, socialists and communists in their state government, would they expect any thing differently? This state have been anti-business, whether large or small businesses or small businesses. And they have done a marvelous job in chasing as many of these businesses away from California for the last two years, and because they have no other cure for their state of economy, more and more businesses will leave California. By the time election time comes around, if anyone in this state still vote for these people, they deserve the kind of government they get.


45 posted on 05/14/2012 5:50:44 PM PDT by gingerbread
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To: SeekAndFind

Why should all of this be NEWS? These voters elected liberals, socialists and communists in their state government, would they expect any thing differently? This state have been anti-business, whether large or small businesses or small businesses. And they have done a marvelous job in chasing as many of these businesses away from California for the last two years, and because they have no other cure for their state of economy, more and more businesses will leave California. By the time election time comes around, if anyone in this state still vote for these people, they deserve the kind of government they get.


46 posted on 05/14/2012 5:50:44 PM PDT by gingerbread
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To: SeekAndFind
Dear Governor Brown,

Quit buying the votes of government unions and other schlubs on the state dole with our tax dollars!

Sincerely,

Rockitz

47 posted on 05/16/2012 3:31:08 PM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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