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Junior Seauís death should force fans to ask uncomfortable questions
The Washington Post ^ | May 12, 2012 | Jason Reid

Posted on 05/13/2012 2:37:42 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

With each bone-breaking, head-injuring hit, NFL players are killing themselves slowly. It’s not a possibility. It’s a fact, no less certain than the league’s immense profitability.

Football injuries can kill in a variety of ways. One particularly tragic way might be by making life unbearable for the afflicted. And autopsies have revealed that several former players who committed suicide suffered from brain trauma caused by repeated blows to the head.

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1 posted on 05/13/2012 2:37:51 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

We must annihilate every shred of traditional American life.


2 posted on 05/13/2012 2:44:56 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? Seriously? You're that dense?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Obviously, the only safe sport is curling. ;-)


3 posted on 05/13/2012 2:47:59 PM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I would be curious as to the ratio of suicides of NFL players versus the general population.


4 posted on 05/13/2012 2:48:40 PM PDT by AmonAmarth (Wherever you go...There you are)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I bet the NFL will be around a lot longer than the Washington Compost.


5 posted on 05/13/2012 2:49:28 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: MinorityRepublican

Why is the onus on the fans??? Maybe players should ask themselves the uncomfortable questions of, “when is it time to hang them up”???? The more i see these types of commentaries the more respect i have for the likes of Al Toon, Jacob Bell and even Hines Ward- players who knew when it was time to say goodbye and walk away from pro-football rather then lengthen a career and increase the possibility of permanent damage....


6 posted on 05/13/2012 2:50:50 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5million pay no federal income tax then vote demoKrat)
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To: MinorityRepublican

NASA
The Boy Scouts
The Armed Forces
Professional Football

Slowly castrating them all!


7 posted on 05/13/2012 2:54:41 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: MinorityRepublican

Sounds like a series of “I don’t know”s.


8 posted on 05/13/2012 2:59:32 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
I really think the suicidal tendencies, including descent into drug use, have more to do with the “loss of the game”.

The money, the fame, the camaraderie.

Lots of professions cause long term damage to health. The NFL has changed the rules to minimize injury. Heck, look at Joe Namath vs Troy Aikman.

9 posted on 05/13/2012 3:03:10 PM PDT by berdie
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To: MinorityRepublican

I bet this pansy never played football. I did. Wide receiver. I’ve been hit so hard that I was unconscious before I hit the ground. But didn’t drop the ball.

After 5 minutes, I wanted to be put back in. And was. I knew there would be pain and long term damage. It’s called a choice. Aka Freedom.

And that was for free.

Choices have consequences. As free people, we measure the bad and the good and choose. Idiots such as the author want to deprive us of that.

To him I say GTH.


10 posted on 05/13/2012 3:04:35 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Have them wear leather - the way the game is supposed to be played.


11 posted on 05/13/2012 3:09:51 PM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: piytar

It may turn out that it isn’t necessarily the hard hits that are the problem, but just a lot of small hits over many plays that do the damage.


12 posted on 05/13/2012 3:10:08 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: servo1969

Not very popular occupations/hobbies/games for gay men are they?

If they (they being the Homosexual Community) don’t like it, or can’t win awards for it, or control it, they try and destroy it...

or so it seems to me.

The ‘War on Men’ continues...(real men that is) also known as the ‘War on Breeders’...


13 posted on 05/13/2012 3:10:46 PM PDT by homegroan (Veni, Vedi, Velcro....since 1998)
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To: MinorityRepublican

One thing I will say is that today, tackling technique is horrendous. The game now emphasizes brute strength and force over technique.


14 posted on 05/13/2012 3:11:48 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Libloather

I’ve heard that the old leather helmets provided good protection. Today’s hard shell helmets can be used as battering rams.

Another factor is that the players have bulked up so much in recent years. Years ago, 300 pound players were rare. Now there are huge numbers of such players.

There’s a big difference between being hit by a 220 pound player and a 320 player. The laws of physics are involved. Force = mass x acceleration.


15 posted on 05/13/2012 3:13:55 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: dfwgator

I believe I read just that critique from an older player that opined that tackling technique had gone down the tubes. Too much emphasis on hits and tackling high.


16 posted on 05/13/2012 3:14:52 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: MinorityRepublican

How does anyone know that playing football led to his suicide?


17 posted on 05/13/2012 3:14:58 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (I am the margin of error.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Just as in boxing you would never allow a 200+ lb fighter fight against a 140 pound fighter...perhaps the NFL does need to look at weight restrictions.


18 posted on 05/13/2012 3:15:56 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
I agree with the Washington Post, but this does not go far enough — ALL sports programs of any kind whether amateur, semipro, or pro are just too dangerous for civilized people. They must be banned and all participants fired (if employed in them) or forcefully discouraged. Anyone who will not obey, will be summarily executed. By order of Barry Obama I, Emperor.
19 posted on 05/13/2012 3:17:19 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: MinorityRepublican
I agree with the Washington Post, but this does not go far enough — ALL sports programs of any kind whether amateur, semipro, or pro are just too dangerous for civilized people. They must be banned and all participants fired (if employed in them) or forcefully discouraged. Anyone who will not obey, will be summarily executed. By order of Barry Obama I, Emperor.
20 posted on 05/13/2012 3:17:39 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I worked as a Firefighter for 25years until retirement. I saw guys get their backs broken by falling debris, I saw head injuries, hand injuries, smoke inhalation,Burns , hell I suffered some of them. I don’t see anyone saying we should do away with Firefighters.

You buys your ticket you takes your chance’s.

Life is that way, No job is without it’s dangers.


21 posted on 05/13/2012 3:19:06 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: MinorityRepublican

Soccer has had a couple of deaths on the field this year and one remarkable resuscitation. Rugby cripples a couple of players every year. The NBA has a thug culture with real problems on and off the court. I guess we are stuck with tennis and golf. Wait weren’t some golfers struck by lightening? Scratch golf. Cycling has drug problems as does baseball. Baseball is far too dangerous, who wants to see someone hit by a fast ball or run into by a base runner.

Yep, tennis it is . . . . Wait that’s a rich person’s sport.


22 posted on 05/13/2012 3:19:06 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: MinorityRepublican

Questions like, should Alex Spanos be committed to the booby hatch for giving Norv Turner another season as head coach of the San Diego Chargers?


23 posted on 05/13/2012 3:21:48 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I know he killed himself; I know there are a lot of head injuries in the NFL.

What I don’t know is what seems to be the presupposition in this article: “Head injuries make you suicidal.”

Has this ever been proven?


24 posted on 05/13/2012 3:23:17 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: JimSEA
Yep, tennis it is . . . . Wait that’s a rich person’s sport.

I say, 'Anyone for Tennis?'

25 posted on 05/13/2012 3:24:22 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: piytar

Never been knocked unconscious, but did have my bell rung pretty good on kick-off coverage. Knocked the ball carrier out of bounds (well, he sort of ran over me on the way out). It was one of those Walter Payton sort of hits, where the defender (me) knows he is going to knock the ball carrier out no matter what and slows down a bit, but the ball carrier decides to make the tackler pay the price.

Similar to ~0:51 secs in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSvCmzIJEfQ


26 posted on 05/13/2012 3:25:31 PM PDT by Betis70 (Bruins!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

How many concussion occur in boxing,basketball,baseball,skateboarding,WWF,karate classes,the ever popular UFC where the objective is concussion......


27 posted on 05/13/2012 3:28:27 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Libloather

“Have them wear leather - the way the game is supposed to be played.”

I said the same thing about hockey. Get rid of the cages and there would be less high sticking.


28 posted on 05/13/2012 3:35:18 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Would you rather eat dog food or cat food? Guess it's Romney 2012.)
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To: dfwgator

Ah yes, they have captured the essence of the sport!


29 posted on 05/13/2012 3:37:28 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: MinorityRepublican

Since the ‘RATS’ “Superbowl Sunday Is the Worst Day for Spousal Abuse” thing didn’t pan out, I guess this will have to do.


30 posted on 05/13/2012 3:41:46 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life. - Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas)
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To: Persevero

I was down at my parents yesterday. They live in Oceanside. My mom told me their neighbors, who, I’ve known for years, were cousins of Seau.

I never knew that. My mom, now tells me me, oh yea, Junior was there all the time. OK, mom, I’m not a huge Charger fan, but...well their neighbors really good people.

They are Samoan, big people, with hearts as big as their hands.

I saw them and offered my condolences. They thanked me, and offered me a beer (as they always do).

Guy had issues. NFL, leave it at that.


31 posted on 05/13/2012 3:45:14 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: MinorityRepublican

Who are the liberal media going to blame for the suicides in the movie and music industries?
There have been far more suicides in these businesses than in the NFL.


32 posted on 05/13/2012 3:45:26 PM PDT by citizencon
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To: dfwgator
As with many things, the use of 'safety' equipment only extends the suffering. In the past, a player would have been killed outright from a collision. The helmet and padds, ensures that he can endure longer, but with more trauma, ie concussions, contusions, and simple high impact collisions.

If you want to look at another similar sport, say Rugby, they don't use padds. I don't know if Rugby has a suicide problem, but, they also don't play on astro turff or against 350 lineman.

33 posted on 05/13/2012 3:57:24 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: citizencon
I remember when John Belushi died, the media tried this same "we're ALL responsible for his death" crap.

Poor John was just trying to make us laugh, give us a litle sunshine in our pathethic lives. He had to take coke and heroin so he could stay "on". If we hadn't asked so much of John, etc.

BULL$HIT.

And who killed the Kennedies?....

When after all it was you and me...

34 posted on 05/13/2012 4:01:37 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: MinorityRepublican

This is ridiculous. I feel absolutely zero pity for men who chose to get paid millions of dollars to play a dangerous sport they love. The health problems they’re having now? I think they were paid for in total years ago.

For every guy who’s all depressed because they aren’t in the limelight anymore at age 44, or upset because they got their bell rung a few times, there are thousands... maybe even millions of guys who would gladly trade places with them. I think it’s shameful for them to attack and blame the sport that gave them such a great opportunity.

If you were to tell me a job would put me in the grave by 50-55, but would retire me by 35 and secure the financial independence of my family for generations... I might seriously consider the deal, if I didn’t have any better plans.


35 posted on 05/13/2012 4:19:38 PM PDT by SquarePants
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To: Persevero
What I don’t know is what seems to be the presupposition in this article: “Head injuries make you suicidal.” Has this ever been proven?

No. It has not been proven. Think of all the ex players who have endured brain injuries and are living normal lives. They far outnumber the suicidal ex players, but no one thinks about them because they don't make the papers.

This is mostly just another media-driven hysteria.

36 posted on 05/13/2012 4:28:11 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: MinorityRepublican

I love football. I played it in high school and almost made a college team. I watch the NFL, CFL and NCAA.

Having said that, I really think there should be more done to prevent negative long term effects. It’s pretty clear that the major danger is not from the occasional high speed collision between receivers and defensive backs, but rather from the many repetitive collisions between linemen, running backs, and linebackers.

This could easily be alleviated by simply allowing teams to carry more players on their active roster which would see more of a rotation being implemented (if only for stamina reasons) and fewer hits per individual player. I also think the season should be shortened and/or more down time should be allowed between games.

It’s easy to say players are responsible for their own injuries if they choose to play the game. But the league is also responsible since it makes lots of money while the players suffer the consequences. Reducing long term negative effects should be a priority for the NFL, especially when the solution could be as simple as expanding rosters or shortening the season, without any fundamental changes to the game itself.


37 posted on 05/13/2012 4:32:47 PM PDT by FreeFromWhat
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He went to the trouble to achieve his profession so where in the world .... He’s in pain and kills himself ? The man has found his peace but he left dozens of his problem’s to the people who loved him .
Selfish .


38 posted on 05/13/2012 4:50:35 PM PDT by Ben Bolt
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To: MinorityRepublican

He went to the trouble to achieve his profession so where in the world .... He’s in pain and kills himself ? The man has found his peace but he left dozens of his problem’s to the people who loved him .
Selfish act he did .
And of course the anti American culture types will use this as an example of why the sport needs to be “ reviewed “ . The continued de - balling of the American male will continue .


39 posted on 05/13/2012 4:59:16 PM PDT by Ben Bolt
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To: God luvs America

You are right and Jr. Played much longer than he should have.


40 posted on 05/13/2012 5:03:57 PM PDT by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesHill not text while dri)
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To: God luvs America

You are right and Jr. Played much longer than he should have.


41 posted on 05/13/2012 5:04:06 PM PDT by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesHill not text while dri)
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To: SquarePants

I think it’s shameful for them to attack and blame the sport that gave them such a great opportunity.

Yeah well that is dress right dress with the America hater’s after they get what they want . Good post SP.


42 posted on 05/13/2012 5:05:52 PM PDT by Ben Bolt
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To: Ben Bolt

Two or three years in the $ million NFL should floorplan a guy for the rest of his life.
Staying longer must be ego.


43 posted on 05/13/2012 5:18:36 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: MinorityRepublican
Solve the problem by banning football. In its place, institute gladiatorial combat to the death. The pay scale can remain the same and the pool of eligible candidates will expand exponentially with unemployed criminals on the make for the big score. Televise it and increase ticket prices 2,3 or 4 times. The gub’mint will, of course, make a fortune on taxes fees and the like. Money would gush our of this enterprise and everyone could get a taste. Stadium funding? Pishaw! Take the money out of petty cash...
44 posted on 05/13/2012 5:23:09 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It’s not that the old leather helmets provided good protection.
It’s that when you’re wearing one, you’d better hit with another part of your body!

It’s the counter-intuitive, law of unintended consequences - when you efficiently sheathe the head, it IS used as a battering ram. Correct! They would NEVER do that with a leather helmet.

Any attempt to conflate suicide with football, even the way it is played today, is an effort to castrate.

Not to t/j too much, but I’m convinced the directors - the ones who say; “Camera two!....go to camera 4, etc” (who show the game) did NOT play football.
How many times did you WANT to see a snot-bubbler get up, want the camera to linger on the scene... and instead, you get the qb’s face, or *something else*...?

Think about it. There’s a high percentage of faggotry in showbiz.


45 posted on 05/13/2012 5:25:06 PM PDT by spankalib (The Marx-in-the-Parks crowd is a basement skunkworks operation of the AFL-CIO)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Ego ? That’s the 1st thing to kick in . Instead of building a bigger dream or mentoring other’s to be better than even they knew they could be ....... Something constructive .
No . He kills himself . Your on it Eric . Pure selfish ego .


46 posted on 05/13/2012 5:27:20 PM PDT by Ben Bolt
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To: SquarePants
If you were to tell me a job would put me in the grave by 50-55, but would retire me by 35 and secure the financial independence of my family for generations... I might seriously consider the deal, if I didn’t have any better plans.

Add to that, a career that would have them being pursued by hot cheerleaders and groupies from high school, be admired by millions, live the high life until they died -- I think a very high percentage of men would make the trade, to give up your old age, but be living large right up to the end.

47 posted on 05/13/2012 5:33:37 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I played football from the time I was 5 right through college. I was a running back and a strong safety type. I knocked people out and I got knocked out. I’m 60 now and suffering no ill effects from concussions including the one I got playing combat football in the Army sans equipment. I understand that the guys are bigger and faster but the equipment and technology are better as well and the money paid to pro football players is large.

But medical technology is such that a grown man can make a very informed decision. I would play all over again if I find the fountain of youth.


48 posted on 05/13/2012 5:33:52 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: FreeFromWhat

I think steroids are the real problem. Players retire, get off the steroids and then have mental problems. Not hard to figure out. Concussions are just a socially acceptable excuse for this pathetic behavior. Eliminate steroids and you would cut down on the size of these players colliding with each other as well.


49 posted on 05/13/2012 5:40:18 PM PDT by Bizhvywt
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To: MinorityRepublican

Sports Ping


50 posted on 05/13/2012 5:55:38 PM PDT by Chainmail
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