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Obama Must End the Attacks on Mormons
Townhall.com ^ | May 14, 2012 | Douglas MacKinnon

Posted on 05/14/2012 6:52:39 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 05/14/2012 6:52:50 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

“Must end?” It hasn’t even begun!


2 posted on 05/14/2012 6:54:07 AM PDT by Thorliveshere
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To: Thorliveshere

He should NOT attack mormons. He should attack Mormonism.

I look at this particular issue as the Russian Front in WWII. Two of our enemies whittling away at each other.


3 posted on 05/14/2012 6:56:11 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Kaslin

Reverend Wright, anyone?


4 posted on 05/14/2012 6:57:58 AM PDT by altura (Looking for sanity in all the wrong places.)
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To: Kaslin

Duck and cover, Kaslin. You’re going to get some insane posts on this topic from the pro-Obama forces on this forum.


5 posted on 05/14/2012 6:59:18 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Kaslin

It would also be nice if people here stopped attacking it.


6 posted on 05/14/2012 6:59:31 AM PDT by altura (Looking for sanity in all the wrong places.)
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To: altura

>>It would also be nice if people here stopped attacking it.<<

What and lose some FReepers’ favorite hobby?


7 posted on 05/14/2012 7:14:27 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Kaslin

Rest assured the mutton-heads in the media will blast Christians, Mormons, and any religion but Islam. They will never utter an unkind word about it. Wouldn’t be prudent...


8 posted on 05/14/2012 7:17:52 AM PDT by donozark (I survived the Battle of Kimchi Ridge. The gas! The GAS! It was horrible!)
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To: Kaslin

You guy’s are amazing, you already have the Devil in the Whitehouse. Are you Mormon bashers so secure in your own salvation that you can say these things.

I have been going to church for 60 years and my number one priority is to secure my own salvation. What about You?

How does your hate speech measure up to acting Christ like?


9 posted on 05/14/2012 7:17:52 AM PDT by DeweyShootem
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To: altura

Exactly!


10 posted on 05/14/2012 7:23:46 AM PDT by NE Cons (Was a Hard-Core Perry supporter. Now Hard-Core ABO)
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To: DeweyShootem

>>I have been going to church for 60 years and my number one priority is to secure my own salvation. What about You?<<

AMEN!!!!!!


11 posted on 05/14/2012 7:25:16 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: altura; flaglady47; mickie; seenenuf; seekthetruth; hoosiermama; surfer; Bushbacker1; ...
"It would also be nice if people here stopped attacking it."

Ditto that.

First they (the Obama-ite atheist Leftists) came for the Bible-Huggers, then they came for the Catholics, now they're coming for the Mormons.....then they will come for the.......

Too many folks here have NO idea who the real enemy is.

Leni

12 posted on 05/14/2012 7:37:29 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: DeweyShootem

2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. .....
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

As Christians, we are obligated to expose false religions and false teachers that lead people into Hell. Mormonism worships a false god, a false jesus and a false prophet.


13 posted on 05/14/2012 7:54:25 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Kaslin

“Obama Must End the Attacks on Mormons”

End the attacks?
Are you dreaming?

The “attacks” haven’t even yet BEGUN.
Just wait....


14 posted on 05/14/2012 8:01:53 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: altura
It would also be nice if people here stopped attacking it.

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(1) Legitimate discussions of expressions of faith and practice (including Biblical and alleged extra-scriptural revelation) have always been a part of this site.

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(2) Our friends in the LDS have INVITED scrutiny and discussion by presenting the Book of Mormon (and other founding "sacred" literature) as an extra-biblical revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ.
.....As all Christians love and serve Christ -- if he is legitimately speaking through this literature, all of disciples would certainly want to hear-- we should read it.
....OTOH...
....If the produce of these documents and practice of these "claims" are found to be highly conflicted with the Biblical record...

...And if found highly suspect, or proven to be entirely bogus--
...As Christ himself warns of us false prophets (Matt 24)... we should heed those same (Biblical) warnings.

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(3) By the invitation extended through the claims of the LDS adherents, an open-book, open-faced COMPARISON of the founding literature is certainly a worthy inquiry -- and where merited -- extensive historical investigation of the faith and practices of this beleife system through the generations of its own adherents.

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(4) Likewise, when LDS is found holding to secret "higher doctrines" ... and a series of secret rituals for initiation into the hierarchy/ various "preisthoods" of that expression of faith

...At that point...
Every Christian is called to a level DISCERNMENT that asks the simple question of whether or not those closely held "secrets" are the legitimate Christ-centered works of the Holy Spirit-- or merely a man-made tradition, or a counterfeit "inspiration" of another spirit.

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THIS IS THE POINT (Thanks for asking):

None of those discussions, comparative studies, and inquiries of LDS faith and practice or listed above should be considered as ...."ATTACKS"...
(a popular lefty-lib tactic for stifling intellectual honesty --OR--silencing opposition)

And as enthusiastically as my LDS friends and visiting "elders" invite me to read an accept their founding literature as a God-breathed "newer revelation" of Christ... So likewise I enthusiastically invite them to place the Biblical record in its rightful place of highest authority, and do their own homework!

May God bless your journey...

15 posted on 05/14/2012 8:04:17 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: DeweyShootem
I tend to be a results oriented kind of guy.

The results of Obama's "hate whitey" faith are on display in south Chicago, gangland Detroit, Philadelphia and a host of other major cites: too dangerous for decent people to even go, much less open businesses.

The results of Mitt Romney's Mormon faith are also on display in large parts of Wyoming, Idaho and Utah: a respect for the U.S. Constitution which borders on reverence, fiscally sound local governments which are business friendly, strong families and communities and a dearth of crime.

Romney's faith is one of the few reasons I can hold my nose and vote for him. The other, of course, is the Marxist thug in the white hut.

16 posted on 05/14/2012 8:07:03 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SVTCobra03
As Christians, we are obligated to love our neighbors and not cherry-pick scripture which could just as easily be used against our particular brand of Christianity.

Some of us view John 3:16 as a good start. Others view it as the complete Gospel.

Some view Mormons in the same way that the establishment Jews viewed Samaritans in the time of Christ. Others view them in the same way which Jesus did.

I have yet to see any Mormon website making snarky comments about the "Baptist Jesus" or the atrocities of John Calvin, one of the leading Protestant theologians who regularly had Catholics beheaded and Anabaptists burned at the stake.

17 posted on 05/14/2012 8:20:57 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SVTCobra03

But, but, but, romney has an “R” behind his name.

Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, I’ll rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.


18 posted on 05/14/2012 8:35:46 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, I'll rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: cuban leaf

Mormon’s are your enemy? Why exactly?


19 posted on 05/14/2012 8:54:41 AM PDT by RC51
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To: Kaslin; P-Marlowe

How silly a request in this article.

Presidential campaigns are wars. The surrogates answer to no one, but they know their mission.

This was discussed at length in so many places: one of Romney’s vulnerabilities will be his Mormon faith. It just is, and everyone except a few naive newcomers to the political wars realizes it will continue until November.

That, of course, makes Obama’s faith a fair target by surrogates of Romney, so expect to hear a lot about Jeremiah Wright, liberation theology rampant in Obama’s “Christian” denomination, and about bowing to the King of Mecca in his potentially muslim one.

Most folks don’t know the oddities of Mormonism, so those are stronger than the oddities of liberal christendom and fundamentalist islam. However, bowing to the king of Mecca also carries and oil and gas price theme that should resonate and do more than enough to counter-balance.

But, let’s not be naive. Everything...including kitchen sink...will be thrown by one candidate at the other. And any 3rd party that rises in the polls, they can count on attacks from either party depending on how the internal pollsters figure advantages.


20 posted on 05/14/2012 9:02:00 AM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode not Evil (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: Vigilanteman

You mean Mormons don’t retaliate? Instead they turn the other cheek? Hmmm.... who preached that? What was that guys name again?... Oh Yes, JESUS!

I find it ironic that people who are accused of being “Fake Christians” live their lives day in - day out more Jesus-like than “Real Christians”...

Personally a person of faith should vote for Romney vs Obama because at least Romney has a faith.


21 posted on 05/14/2012 9:17:40 AM PDT by RC51
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To: Kaslin

Obama only works in three modes attack,blame,deny.


22 posted on 05/14/2012 9:20:11 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: ohioWfan

Fascist pig ~ and so’s your old lady!


23 posted on 05/14/2012 9:21:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: DeweyShootem

Those are trigger words. You need to learn to control that.


24 posted on 05/14/2012 9:23:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Vigilanteman

Joseph Smith already covered the waterfront ~ doncha’ know we are all members of false churches.


25 posted on 05/14/2012 9:26:25 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: RC51

Sometimes, turning the other cheek involves mooning your opponent.


26 posted on 05/14/2012 9:28:32 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: RC51

I’ve never voted for or against anyone on account of their religious affiliation. I have always voted AGAINST people who approve of killing babies.


27 posted on 05/14/2012 9:28:32 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kaslin

I notice that the Dems have no problem with the mormonism of Harry Reid, nor did they have any problem with the Udalls.


28 posted on 05/14/2012 9:38:05 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Kaslin

So when Mitt says Marriage has been ‘one man and one woman for thousands of years’ he does so as a person whose faith rewrote the cultural norms of marriage as recently as 21 years before Reagan was born. How can this be?


29 posted on 05/14/2012 9:43:35 AM PDT by ansel12 (Ann Romney, 1994 'We didn't know a single Republican when we jumped in in December,')
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To: SVTCobra03

“As Christians, we are obligated to expose false religions and false teachers that lead people into Hell. Mormonism worships a false god, a false jesus and a false prophet.”

So just who died and made you omnicient? It’s amazing to me that you “self-described Christians” seem to think you have the inside track to the “truth.” You know what, the Mormons feel the same way, as do the Catholics, Jews, and everyone else! Call us when you die and finally “know the truth.” In the meantime, leave your “opinions” at home!


30 posted on 05/14/2012 9:49:28 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: SVTCobra03
“As Christians, we are obligated to expose false religions and false teachers that lead people into Hell. Mormonism worships a false god, a false jesus and a false prophet.”

So just who died and made you omniscient? It's amazing to me that you “self-described Christians” seem to think you have the inside track to the “truth.” You know what, the Mormons feel the same way, as do the Catholics, Jews, and everyone else! Call us when you die and finally “know the truth.” In the meantime, leave your “opinions” at home!

31 posted on 05/14/2012 9:50:44 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: altura

Excellent point


32 posted on 05/14/2012 10:01:18 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: RC51

They are not my enemies. Never have been, never will


33 posted on 05/14/2012 10:04:55 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: SVTCobra03
As Christians, we are obligated to expose false religions and false teachers that lead people into Hell. Mormonism worships a false god, a false jesus and a false prophet.

I agree. We should flatly state the Truth and refuse to be drawn into a comparative religion discussion as if any cult has equal hearing with Christ and His Church. Jesus is the Way, and every other way is not. Bad news for the scoffer and the unbelieving, Good News for all who call on the Name of the Lord!

34 posted on 05/14/2012 10:39:43 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: vette6387
It's amazing to me that you “self-described Christians” seem to think you have the inside track to the “truth.”

If you have Jesus, who IS the Truth, living in your heart by the Holy Spirit, you do have the inside track of all time! When a person comes to Christ the veil is removed and revelation is given. Who knows, maybe you'll come to Him and become one of us who have an inside track, too?

35 posted on 05/14/2012 10:52:49 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: muawiyah
Show me any organized religion who doesn't think their brand is right and everybody else is wrong and I'll show you a hollowed-out PC centered church with empty pews and vacant buildings. Nobody has a reason to give them any business since they are already supporting the PC centered state church with their tax dollars. This is the actual situation in most of western Europe.

Healthy religious debate is just as important to keeping the theological body healthy as is healthy political debate to keeping the body politic healthy.

Debate ceases to be healthy when one side attempts to bludgeon or shout down another to silence.

Case in point: I will respect the right of the gay lobby to push for civil unions or other legislation which they feel may be needed to secure their rights but does not involve rewriting the definition of marriage to forcibly impose on the other 97% of us.

Likewise, I will respect the rights of all religions to attempt to convert me or persuade me to their line of thinking as long as they do not threaten to convert me by force or pay a portion of my income as a tax to remain unmolested. Note that respect for said rights to proselyte does not equal agreement with that which is proselytized about.

36 posted on 05/14/2012 11:11:51 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Kaslin
MUST STOP!


Golly!

Me, too?

Wait; I don't 'attack' MORMONs; but the heresy that calls itself mormonISM.

37 posted on 05/14/2012 2:17:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ohioWfan
Duck and cover, Kaslin. You’re going to get some insane posts on this topic from the pro-Obama forces on this forum.

Indeed!

The PRO-MORMON forces have already started!

38 posted on 05/14/2012 2:18:56 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ohioWfan
Obama Must End the Attacks on Mormons

I wonder when the MORMONs stopped THEIR attack on CHRISTIANS???



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

39 posted on 05/14/2012 2:20:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: netmilsmom
What and lose some FReepers’ favorite hobby?

Ma;am: we are NOT attacking anyone. We are merely telling them that Christianity has been corrupted and only The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints has the TRUE religion that the messiah started.



40 posted on 05/14/2012 2:27:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: netmilsmom

After all, Ma'am; if my buddy and the REST of the 50,000 plus missionaires didn't do this, for a year of our lives, voluntarily; why then we would have to look for a JOB, and that would REALLY mess up Obama's numbers.

41 posted on 05/14/2012 2:29:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: DeweyShootem
How does your hate speech measure up to acting Christ like?< P>Good question!


 


 
Matthew 15:16
   "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.

Matthew 23
 
  1.  Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
  2.  "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
  3.  So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
  4.  They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
  5.  "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries  wide and the tassels on their garments long;
  6.  they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
  7.  they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
  8.  "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
  9.  And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
 10.  Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
 11.  The greatest among you will be your servant.
 12.  For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
 13.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 
 14.  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 
 15.   "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 
 16.  "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
 17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
 18.  You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
 19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
 20.  Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
 21.  And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
 22.  And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
 23.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
 24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
 25.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
 26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
 27.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!  You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
 28.  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
 29.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
 30.  And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
 31.  So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
 32.  Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
 33.  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
 34.  Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
 35.  And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
 36.  I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
 37.  "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
 38.  Look, your house is left to you desolate.
 39.  For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "
 


Mark 7:26-27
 26.  The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
 27.  "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
 

And St. Paul chimes in...

Galatians 5:12
   As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
 


42 posted on 05/14/2012 2:31:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: DeweyShootem
I have been going to church for 60 years and my number one priority is to secure my own salvation.

In all them years; you SURELY must have been taught the following:


 
 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



43 posted on 05/14/2012 2:33:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: DeweyShootem
I have been going to church for 60 years and my number one priority is to secure my own salvation.

So; what's #2?

44 posted on 05/14/2012 2:33:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MinuteGal
Too many folks here have NO idea who the real enemy is.

I just might BE one of those folks!!

And just WHO would that be?

45 posted on 05/14/2012 2:35:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Vigilanteman
Romney's faith is one of the few reasons I can hold my nose and vote for him.

Is YOUR 'faith' the same as his??

46 posted on 05/14/2012 2:39:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Vigilanteman
As Christians, we are obligated to love our neighbors and not cherry-pick scripture which could just as easily be used against our particular brand of Christianity.

As Christians, we are obligated to expose false teachings and heresy.

M ORMONism fits the bill.MORMONs (the big bunch based in Salt Lake City) tend to 'cherry-pick' their OWN 'scripture' as to which parts of it to observe from time to time.

47 posted on 05/14/2012 2:41:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Vigilanteman
I have yet to see any Mormon website making snarky comments about the "Baptist Jesus" or the atrocities of John Calvin, one of the leading Protestant theologians who regularly had Catholics beheaded and Anabaptists burned at the stake.

You probably haven't seen much of the LDS religious organization's number 2 Living Prophet (Brigham Young) quote's, either.


"For unbelievers we will quote from the Scriptures - "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God." Again - "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is of God."

 I will now give my scripture - "Whosoever confesseth that Joseph Smith was sent of God to reveal the holy Gospel to the children of men, and lay the foundation for gathering Israel, and building up the kingdom of God on the earth, that spirit is of God; and every spirit that does not confess that God has sent Joseph Smith, and revealed the everlasting Gospel to and through him, is of Antichrist.......

 - BrighamYoung

 

 

 

Here's some MORE for MORMON's...

"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned; and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given, and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

- JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

 

 

It is true that the earth was organized by three distinct characters, namely, Eloheim, Yahovah, and Michael, these three forming a quorum, as in all heavenly bodies, and in organizing element, perfectly represented in the Deity, as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Again, they will try to tell how the divinity of Jesus is joined to his humanity, and exhaust all their mental faculties, and wind up with this profound language, as describing the soul of man, "it is an immaterial substance!" What a learned idea! Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven. Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation.

I have given you a few leading items upon this subject, but a great deal more remains to be told. Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost.

- JoD 1:50-51 (April 9, 1852)

 

 

The rank, rabid abolitionists, whom I call black-hearted Republicans, have set the whole national fabric on fire. Do you know this, Democrats? They have kindled the fire that is raging now from the north to the south, and from the south to the north. I am no abolitionist, neither am I a proslavery man; I hate some of their principles and especially some of their conduct, as I do the gates of hell. The Southerners make the negroes, and the Northerners worship them; this is all the difference between slaveholders. and abolitionists. I would like the President of the United States and all the world to hear this.

Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.

- JoD: vol.10 p. 110: (March 8, 1863)

It looks like BrighamYoung was pretty good at bashings.

48 posted on 05/14/2012 2:45:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Vigilanteman
Some view Mormons in the same way that the establishment Jews viewed Samaritans in the time of Christ. Others view them in the same way which Jesus did.

But now; you get the BIBLE view:


KJV
Galatians 1:6-9
6. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 
ANYBODY???
Like this fine looking fellow???
 

2 Corinthians 11:12-15
12. But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
 

Like THESE guys??
 
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
 


Ephesians 2:1-2
1. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

49 posted on 05/14/2012 2:47:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: RC51
Personally a person of faith should vote for Romney vs Obama because at least Romney has a faith.

So did OSAMA, and he lived and DIED his!

50 posted on 05/14/2012 2:49:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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