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Judge Napolitano on Use of Drones in US:
Fox News Insider ^ | May 14, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 05/14/2012 2:14:49 PM PDT by LucianOfSamasota

The FAA is expected to announce plans to expand the use of domestic drones in American airspace. These would be similar to the unmanned aircraft that the U.S. has been using to target terrorists abroad. In the U.S., the surveillance systems would be used to track terrorists, drug dealers or to find missing children. But critics warn that the use of drones presents a major threat to our personal privacy.

Jonathan Hunt reports that there could be as many as 30,000 drones flying overhead within the next decade.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: claypigeons
30,000.

Funny thing - they look like clay pigeons to me.

1 posted on 05/14/2012 2:15:01 PM PDT by LucianOfSamasota
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To: All

See, this is one of those unintended consequences things for me. I understand the need to open up airspace for the unmanned flights; military training, scientific studies, etc. In fact when this was first announced, I sort of poo-pooed the alarmists. Since then, though my thinking has “evolved”,if you will. This is one of those things that can, and will, if it hasn’t been already, abused by the powers that be.

I think it best to nip it in the bud, right now, before the statists over step their bounds...yet again.


2 posted on 05/14/2012 2:20:15 PM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Turbo Pig

See my tag line. From james Madison.


3 posted on 05/14/2012 2:25:27 PM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: Turbo Pig
The urgency of the immediate "need" is that DHS bought 9 Reapers for CBP, but they are pretty much restricted to specific tracks. Those specific tracks don't make them very effective for the constantly changing smuggling corridors.

DHS screwed up by buying these before they were a useable tool.

As far as the smaller local department type drones go, they will always be one accident from being grounded. At some point a local department will drop one on somebody's head and other departments will shelve theirs due to liability concerns.

4 posted on 05/14/2012 2:26:25 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Turbo Pig

I could show you a surveillance drone the size of a half-dollar.

No way they meet any 4th amendment test.


5 posted on 05/14/2012 2:27:31 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

As I’ve said before...

Sometime in the next few years, expect police cars to launch small video-equipped autonomous helicopters when they pull someone over in traffic. These light UAVs will be used to scan the suspect vehicle for persons hiding in the back seat and for weapons in view. They may also be used to acquire a high-resolution face image of passengers.

This UAV will dispatch from a launch bay within the police car, and will hover at the scene acquiring video during the stop.


6 posted on 05/14/2012 2:32:31 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

If they would stop the terrorist baS@rds at the border, there would be no need for 30,000 drones.

Why don’t they just issue an outright threat against the American citizens? That is the way I take it. I can’t imagine it would be more costly to enforce the border, build the fence, etc. than to put 30,000 drones in the air along with the personnel and equipment it takes to support it.


7 posted on 05/14/2012 2:34:17 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

The government has a new and fearsome enemy.

It is us.


8 posted on 05/14/2012 2:42:04 PM PDT by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: LucianOfSamasota

You BETCHA!
9 posted on 05/14/2012 2:45:46 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: RandallFlagg
If they would stop the terrorist baS@rds at the border, there would be no need for 30,000 drones.

Actually the flow at the border is beginning to reverse. They can't find work here either thanks to the Marxist in Chief. I do like the idea of those airborne sporting clays though. It'll restore my 12 gauge skills.

10 posted on 05/14/2012 2:54:28 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Bon mots

“The government has a new and fearsome enemy.

It is us.”


Roger That!


11 posted on 05/14/2012 2:59:25 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: RandallFlagg
Dude, my birthday is coming up and you've just gave away what you're getting me! (BTW, I loved the “Walkin’ Dude in the movie).
12 posted on 05/14/2012 3:02:20 PM PDT by TheBlueMax ("To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them" -George Mason)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

I don’t know if this is accurate or not but the timing of the news stories make me think that it is. I noticed that the Global Hawk program was cancelled and that new considerations were placed on the U2 and it’s derivative programs. My guess is because the “sentinel” drone was brought down by the Iranians through Electronic Countermeasures. It that is true then all of these types of drones will be susceptible to one degree or another to that type of threat.

If that is true then we will see here in America new and sweeping legislation and regulations to keep an and all types of transmitters out of civilian hands so that the drones can’t be interfered with by the masses.

You know, I never thought I would live to see a Police State here in the United States, but it is on the cusp of becoming a full blown reality.


13 posted on 05/14/2012 3:04:05 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Clay pigeons at 40000ft. That must be one heck of a shotgun you have.


14 posted on 05/14/2012 3:09:08 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: The Working Man

You never did? It’s been a looming possibility for as long as I’ve been politically aware, nearly 20 years.


15 posted on 05/14/2012 3:10:29 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: LucianOfSamasota
But critics warn...

They must be against finding "lost children".

16 posted on 05/14/2012 3:16:14 PM PDT by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: The Working Man

I don’t think this is a surprise is it? They already cleared the air space for it to take place.

Just wait until someone messes up and starts posting the shots of people nude sunbathing in their back yards.

It’s the eye in the sky. I don’t like it one bit.


17 posted on 05/14/2012 3:25:43 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
Clay Pigeons don't fly at 60,000 ft.
18 posted on 05/14/2012 3:28:09 PM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: Romulus

sorry to tell you guys that that they have been flying drones in Washington DC area and New York area for months


19 posted on 05/14/2012 3:28:20 PM PDT by man from mars
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

I’m in my late 50’s now, I’ve seen a lot change in my lifetime and my parents have seen even more. But a Police State? The Soviet Union was a Police State, East Germany was a Police State. The United Kingdom has almost completed its transition to a Police State.

As for us? We are well on the way now. When movement becomes completely curtailed by the authorities and you are required to have an internal passport to go from home to work then you are in a police state. When there is a camera watching “everything” we do including inside our dwellings then it’s a Police State.

We are not there yet, but I think it will happen and when it does... Strangely the thought just came to me, a massive solar storm or an EMP burst might be the saving grace to overthrow such tyranny.


20 posted on 05/14/2012 3:44:10 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Steely Tom
These light UAVs will be used to scan the suspect vehicle for persons hiding in the back seat and for weapons in view.

Why bother with pulling them over, when you can just launch a missile, no need to look inside.

21 posted on 05/14/2012 4:02:23 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period. You can't trust the man with the big red (R))
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Drones will probably be used to prevent money and precious metals smuggling out of the US. Some of the money will be drug money, but others may just want get their money out of the US and don’t want the money to be tracked by the IRS.


22 posted on 05/14/2012 4:02:39 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Those “clay pigeons” are well out of shotgun range and they have infra-red and hellfire missiles. If we’re forced by O to fight to save our Country the last thing we need are drones to contend with.


23 posted on 05/14/2012 4:19:40 PM PDT by mcshot (God bless the USA!)
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To: man from mars

Think of all the lost children they must have found.


24 posted on 05/14/2012 6:10:49 PM PDT by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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