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FBI Seeks To Charge George Zimmerman With Hate Crime
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/fbi-seeks-charge-george-zimmerman-hate-crime/nN5pR/ ^ | May 14, 2012 | WFTV

Posted on 05/14/2012 2:30:29 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather

SANFORD, Fla. —

WFTV has learned charges against George Zimmerman could be getting more serious.

State prosecutors said Zimmerman, a neighborhood watchman, profiled and stalked 17-year-old Trayvon Martin before killing him, so the FBI is now looking into charging him with a hate crime.

Zimmerman admitted to killing Martin in February during a confrontation. However, he claims the shooting was in self-defense. He's facing a second-degree murder charge, which carries a maximum possible sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole.

In the meantime, FBI investigators are actively questioning witnesses in the retreat at the Twin Lakes neighborhood, seeking evidence for a possible federal hate crime charge.

Martin was unarmed when he was shot to death, police said, and some accuse Zimmerman of targeting the teenager solely because of the color of his skin.

WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said federal prosecutors would have to prove the hate crime to charge Zimmerman, though.

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I just heard this on the local news tonight.
1 posted on 05/14/2012 2:30:41 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
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To: sheikdetailfeather

FBI’s turned anti-American if they think they can flout the Fourteenth Amendment so willfully.


2 posted on 05/14/2012 2:33:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: sheikdetailfeather
“Mr. Zimmerman could be punished by up to life in prison or even the death penalty,”

We are all George Zimmerman now!

3 posted on 05/14/2012 2:35:27 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Cicago Mob is at it again.


4 posted on 05/14/2012 2:35:33 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
I'm white and I'm proud!

5 posted on 05/14/2012 2:35:33 PM PDT by I see my hands (If you say what you think then no one will like you.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

I guess double jeopardy is now a big part of Holder’s Injustice Dept.


6 posted on 05/14/2012 2:36:27 PM PDT by expat2
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Okay, now they have gotten stupid. The PC-FBI.............


7 posted on 05/14/2012 2:36:44 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Assuming, as I do, that he shot Martin in self-defense, this is ridiculous. Is the goal to take away the right of self-defense?


8 posted on 05/14/2012 2:37:11 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Socialism isn't going to work this time, either.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

“WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said federal prosecutors would have to prove the hate crime to charge Zimmerman, though.”

Oh, thanks for that brilliant analsis, sir. I never knew the burden of proof was on the prosecution before.

By the way, I don’t think you do have to prove anything to convict on a hate charge, actually. I don’t happen to think it’s possible to prove motive, which is one of the reasons why motive was never an element of crime before the Thought Police decided white people, and apparently hispanic-white people, deserved extra special punishment, and non-white people, but not hispanic people who are also white, are a protected class.


9 posted on 05/14/2012 2:37:39 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: sheikdetailfeather

One could smell this coming a mile away. The charge will probably be consecutive rather than concurrent. The government can inflict the maximum damage on Zimmerman by filing consecutively and can achieve the sending a “message” to anyone resisting an assault by a black. Zimmerman is going to be convicted of something and shall probably suffer death while incarcerated.


10 posted on 05/14/2012 2:37:43 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Even the FBI has been infiltrated and rotted out by communists. Are there any truly American institutions left?


11 posted on 05/14/2012 2:38:20 PM PDT by crusader71
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To: sheikdetailfeather

You can betchera$$ the feds are checking internet handles to check if he made any comments or visited ‘racist’ web sites. Only takes one person saying they heard him tell a racist joke and bang - Hate Crime!


12 posted on 05/14/2012 2:38:37 PM PDT by kreitzer
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To: Olog-hai

13 posted on 05/14/2012 2:38:40 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
"WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said federal prosecutors would have to prove the hate crime to charge Zimmerman, though.

If you read on, that's not what Sheaffer said. But, in any case, have the standards for "journalists" sunk so low that they no longer understand even the rudiments of our legal system. The prosecutor doesn't HAVE to PROVE ANYTHING in order to CHARGE a suspect. That's why we have trials. After charging him, the FBI may need to demonstrate it has a reasonable basis for the charge, but that is a long, long way from "proving the hate crime".

But this idiot's undereducated readers will now assume that if Zimmermann is charged then the case has been proved. Idiots!

14 posted on 05/14/2012 2:39:04 PM PDT by In Maryland (Liberal logic - the ultimate oxymoron!)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Everything I ever needed to know about the FBI I learned from their f-inG actions at Ruby Ridge and Waco.


15 posted on 05/14/2012 2:39:17 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: popdonnelly
Is the goal to take away the right of self-defense?

No, the goal is to radically transform America.

16 posted on 05/14/2012 2:39:25 PM PDT by Dysart
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Welcome to the banana republic.

The FBI has now joined the lynch mob.


17 posted on 05/14/2012 2:40:01 PM PDT by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: Former Fetus

You’ve got that right.


18 posted on 05/14/2012 2:41:10 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: expat2

This doesn’t qualify as double jeopardy for two reasons. It is a different charge that what is he is on trial for in Florida AND Florida is a separate sovereignty from the Federal government, thus he can be tried twice.

It sucks - but it is the way the law works. To see a real example of this, remember the cops that beat up Rodney King - they were tried by CA and found not guilty, then Federal hate crime charges were used to get a conviction.


19 posted on 05/14/2012 2:41:18 PM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: sheikdetailfeather

It won’t be long before we all will be arrested for “hate crimes.”

The next step is to make it a major hate crime to dislike liberals and progressives, along with Democrats. That will become a hate crime associated with felonious thought crimes.

It’s coming people. It’s a tide that won’t turn because we have lost the war against political correctness.


20 posted on 05/14/2012 2:42:09 PM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

George Zimmerman is being punished for self-defense! A scapegoat for gun control. If he profiled anything it was thuggish, criminal behavior.


21 posted on 05/14/2012 2:42:16 PM PDT by DivineMomentsOfTruth ("Give me Liberty or I'll stand up and get it for myself!")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

What a disgrace! This would work against pres. Jug Ears if George Zimmerman’s account got disseminated widely but I doubt it has. Most Americans have only heard the wailing and gnashing of teeth and BS from the Treyvon side

The FBI along with the race hustlers is making it hard to have a fair trial. Now the FBI will get into the race hustling biz...if they proceed with this hate crime jive


22 posted on 05/14/2012 2:42:35 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Dammit, I knew Zimmerman should’ve fled to Brazil when he had the chance, where he could’ve given Obama, Holder and whoever else the middle finger.


23 posted on 05/14/2012 2:43:45 PM PDT by Marathoner (At least Ann Romney won't tell us what to eat.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
It's pitiful that this is what the FBI has been reduced to.

Methinks we've defined a new type of crime; "hate defense."

I am making an example of you, to send a message out to people everywhere: that if you want to hurt another human being, you'd better make damn sure they're the same color as you are!

(from an episode of South Park, where they hit the nail on the head.)

24 posted on 05/14/2012 2:44:02 PM PDT by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on...)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Based on what?

There is nothing to convict him of something like that, but this isn’t about justice.


25 posted on 05/14/2012 2:44:02 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: DH

This could make not only a second American revolution possible, but likely.


26 posted on 05/14/2012 2:44:10 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: popdonnelly
Is the goal to take away the right of self-defense?

Yup. And if I may don my tinfoil - proudly and without any sense of shame - this is being directed, not just by Holder and his gang of race pimps, not by the kenyan jughead and his desperate race pimping re-election campaign, but by the same folks who give us Agenda 21. It's a globalist disarmament program aimed right at the heart of American Exceptionalism and Freedom. I'm Sirius.

/tinfoil

27 posted on 05/14/2012 2:44:39 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (When we cease to be good we'll cease to be great. Be for Goode.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Zimmerman defended himself against someone who was trying to kill him. If Martin had been white, he wouldn't be facing any charges at all. Because Martin was black, and because Zimmerman was falsely reported to be white, he's facing the possibility of spending the rest of his life in prison.

Anyway, only whites can be guilty of hate crimes. Zimmerman is part black. How can he be guilty of a hate crime against another black person?

The only profiling Zimmerman did was to notice that this person, whose race he wasn't aware of at the time, was acting like someone casing an empty residence to burglarize it. The idea that racial profiling was involved was created by ABC's mendacious editing of the dispatcher tape, and by Martin's girlfriend's reconstruction of their conversation days after the event.

Having the FBI involved increases Obama's ability to exploit this politically, it seems to me. It's now a federal case.

28 posted on 05/14/2012 2:44:57 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: popdonnelly

The end of self-defense is what they want, yes


29 posted on 05/14/2012 2:45:10 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Here we go again....The media exaggerating something. The FBI might be investigating, but, at this point, it is not "seeking to charge" Zimmerman. There is nothing in this story that verifies anything other than they are trying to get at the truth of what really took place that night. The media always jumps to conclusions that favor the Liberal, hate filled, brain dead.

How could a man, who has stood up for and defended Blacks in the past, has a partially black racial background, and who has appeared genuinely sorry that Trayvon is dead, be considered guilty of a hate crime? I am so tired of the truths of this case being swept under the rug while the lies, hatred and animosity are being encouraged by the Liberal media, Democrat politicians, and anti-White prejudiced groups.

30 posted on 05/14/2012 2:45:32 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Actually any charge coming from the FBI would be brought in Federal Court. What this is IMO is an attempt to get any jury ingrained in the theory that it was not self defense. Also, there will exist an onus if they don’t find him guilty, the DOJ will move a prosecution to make them look biased.

One of the problems with this kind of crap is one can never prove themselves innocent once an “investigation” is launched. You see, under investigation by the FBI cannotes to some the party is guilty. Since the FBI works for Holder, one can see the genesis of this investigation as plain as the sun rising on the ocean.

I detest these people with every fabric of my being.


31 posted on 05/14/2012 2:45:32 PM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Red Badger

This poster would be great if it had a little “sponsored by” hopey-changey icon in the bottom corner.


32 posted on 05/14/2012 2:45:41 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: sheikdetailfeather

“profiled and stalked 17-year-old Trayvon Martin before killing him”

I realize stalking actually is a crime, though he’s not charged with it. They have a rather loose definition of stalking in this case, as it apparently is no different than following. But do you notice how they slipped “profiled” in there, as if profiling is in itself bad? Since when can’t private citizens profile eachother?

I realize it’s supposed to be bad for cops to profile. But first of all it’s not, and they very well couldn’t do their jobs without it. What’s bad is when they violate rights by stopping, searching, arresting, etc. without probable cause on the basis of profiling alone. But then, as you’ll notice, the bad thing is not profiling, but warrantless search seizure, arrest, etc.

Now, police forces may make rules against profiling in the interest of curtailing warrantless whatevers, but that’s a bureaucratic thing. And anyway, it has nothing to do with the professionalism of your average Nightwatch Joe, mostly because he’s not a professional. It also has nothing to do with the law, which is what we’re supposed to be concerned about here.


33 posted on 05/14/2012 2:45:41 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: popdonnelly
Is the goal to take away the right of self-defense?

YES!

The goal of socialism is to control every aspect of the subjects' lives, and to make them totally dependent on the State for everything.

34 posted on 05/14/2012 2:46:14 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Sirius Lee

It’s bigger than the right of self-defense. Much more ambitious on several levels.


35 posted on 05/14/2012 2:47:47 PM PDT by Dysart
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To: Bon mots
The FBI has now joined the lynch mob.

F B I.... Famous But Incorrigible

36 posted on 05/14/2012 2:48:39 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

If this isn’t”Bovine Scatology”,I don’t know what is!How do you establish whether a “crime”is a Hate Crime”?????????????


37 posted on 05/14/2012 2:49:06 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: In Maryland

I took the article to mean they had to prove the crime to convict him, even though, yes, they said charge. That’s not true, either, though. There’s no such thing as proving a charge, only a standard of guilt “beyond a reasonable doubt.”

But you’re right, charging is a much, much lower standard still. Some crimes, capital or otherwise infamous ones, demand a grand jury, but I don’t know if that’s the case here. Certainly grand juries don’t demand you prove anything. They’re pretty easygoing, and side with the prosecution overwhelmingly.


38 posted on 05/14/2012 2:49:58 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Joe Boucher

The FBI was in charge when Clinton and Janet Reno had the Branch Davidians and all their children torched to death, right?

If I recall correctly the only two government agents who were killed (and by ‘friendly fire’) were both former Bill Clinton bodyguards...


39 posted on 05/14/2012 2:50:10 PM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Congratulations, Zer0, you just bought Romney my vote. I’m now convinced that there is a difference, however slight, between two left-wing pandering scumbags.


40 posted on 05/14/2012 2:50:55 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

And just whne you think the press can not be any stupider. Zimmerman is charged with 2nd degree murder. Being charged with a hate crime no matter how offensive that is to lefties IN THE THE CHARGES ABOUT TO BECOME MORE SERIOUS.


41 posted on 05/14/2012 2:51:16 PM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress))
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To: popdonnelly

“is the goal to take away the right of self defense?”

Only against Amish...


42 posted on 05/14/2012 2:51:23 PM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

One of the cool things about America used to be that we had neither political criminals nor thought crimes. Looks like O and Eric are fixin’ to change that. Lacking any evidence, they’re working frantically to invent a motive. We’ve fallen far.


43 posted on 05/14/2012 2:51:28 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Red Badger

Posted maybe a decade ago on FR:


It started out innocently enough. I began to think at parties now and then to loosen up. Inevitably though, one thought led to another, and soon I was more than just a social thinker.

I began to think alone - “to relax,” I told myself - but I knew it wasn’t true. Thinking became more and more important to me, and finally I was thinking all the time.

I began to think on the job. I knew that thinking and employment don’t mix, but I couldn’t stop myself.

I began to avoid friends at lunchtime so I could read Thoreau and Kafka.

I would return to the office dizzied and confused, asking, “What is it exactly we are doing here?”

Things weren’t going so great at home either. One evening I had turned off the TV and asked my wife about the meaning of life. She spent that night at her mother’s.

I soon had a reputation as a heavy thinker. One day the boss called me in. He said, “Skippy, I like you, and it hurts me to say this, but your thinking has become a real problem. If you don’t stop thinking on the job, you’ll have to find another job.” This gave me a lot to think about.

I came home early after my conversation with the boss. “Honey,” I confessed, “I’ve been thinking...”

“I know you’ve been thinking,” she said, “and I want a divorce!”

“But Honey, surely it’s not that serious.”

“It is serious,” she said, lower lip aquiver. “You think as much as college professors, and college professors don’t make any money, so if you keep on thinking we won’t have any money!”

“That’s a faulty syllogism,” I said impatiently, and she began to cry. I’d had enough. “I’m going to the library,” I snarled as I stomped out the door.

I headed for the library, in the mood for some Nietzsche, with NPR on the radio. I roared into the parking lot and ran up to the big glass doors... they didn’t open. The library was closed.

To this day, I believe that a Higher Power was looking out for me that night.

As I sank to the ground clawing at the unfeeling glass, whimpering for Zarathustra, a poster caught my eye. “Friend, is heavy thinking ruining your life?” it asked. You probably recognize that line. It comes from the standard Thinker’s Anonymous poster.

Which is why I am what I am today: a recovering thinker. I never miss a TA meeting. At each meeting we watch a non-educational video; last week it was “Porky’s.” Then we share experiences about how we avoided thinking since the last meeting.

I still have my job, and things are a lot better at home. Life just seemed... easier, somehow, as soon as I stopped thinking.


44 posted on 05/14/2012 2:51:34 PM PDT by Erasmus (BHO: New supreme leader of the homey rollin' empire.)
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To: DH

Fine. Anyone attempting to enforce such nonsense will be immediately categorized as the “enemy” and treated as such by those who wish to live and die “Free”.


45 posted on 05/14/2012 2:52:19 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Now that blacks are annoyed with the gay thing, they need to fire them up
up again


46 posted on 05/14/2012 2:52:24 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: sheikdetailfeather

They can prosecute all they want, we’re going to defend ourselves, anyway. I mean, if you’re attacked and you have no choice, what are you supposed to do?


47 posted on 05/14/2012 2:52:29 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Socialism isn't going to work this time, either.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Keep it up ERIC! How about those 2 souls in Knoxville 3 years ago. Let’s see that information hit the MSM. I am sick and tired of this BS Administration.


48 posted on 05/14/2012 2:52:39 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: expat2
I guess double jeopardy is now a big part of Holder’s Injustice Dept.

It's a tradition. They did it to the LAPD officers in the Rodney King case in 1992. And that was under Bush I.

49 posted on 05/14/2012 2:53:11 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

The Justice Department under Holder would have to prosecute the alleged hate crime and I would think Holder would have to sign off on the charge when the FBI concludes its investigation. The investigation is for politically correct reasons to placate a certain constituency. However, any prosecution pressed by Holder for a hate crime is going to wreak havoc with white independents and bluedog Dems and white working class Dems not to mention hispanics. I do not think Obama is stupid enough to unleash the junkyard dog he has running Justice on this one. But then again he is the same guy who was going to try Khalid Mohammed in NY...


50 posted on 05/14/2012 2:53:22 PM PDT by chuckee
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