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Man found guilty of weapon possession at MSU(MS)
The Dispatch ^ | 14 May, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 05/15/2012 3:40:59 AM PDT by marktwain

STARKVILLE - District Attorney Forrest Allgood said the decision to prosecute former Mississippi State University student Jeffrey Hill for possession of a weapon by a student on educational property should not be perceived as an "anti-gun" prosecution.

Hill, 42, was convicted in circuit court in April on the charges and was sentenced to three years in prison and fined $1,200. A previous trial on the charge, also argued by Allgood, resulted in a hung jury.

"I am a firm believer in the Second Amendment, and I'm a life-long member of the (National Rifle Association)," Allgood said. "I know we have a lot of students who are deer hunters. But let's face it: With the situation we've seen on college campuses in recent years, we have to take this serious."

Allgood said he presented the same case he had presented in the previous trial, when the jury could not reach a verdict.

"It just goes to show that every jury is different," Allgood said. "The proof was pretty much the same."

Hill, who represented himself in the trial, was arrested in September of 2010 at his Aikin Village apartment by MSU police acting on a tip.

Allgood said several aspects of Hill's case made it clear it was not simply a matter of a student who happened to have a deer rifle in his apartment.

"The rifle was a Russian model, the same that the Soviet military uses," Allgood said. "But one of the big eye-openers is that he had 440 rounds of ammunition. That's far more than the typical hunter would have in his possession."

Another factor, Allgood said, was some connection between Hill and the Sovereign Citizen Movement, which the Federal Bureau of Investigation identifies as an "anti-government extremist" group linked to murder and assaults, among other crimes."

Allgood said Hill denied being associated with the group.

"It was up to the jury as to whether they believe him or not," Allgood said. "I think this jury just saw things a little differently than the first one,.

"The bottom line is that we don't live in a vacuum," he added. "The events of our recent history shows that his situation was one that we had to be concerned about. This was not just a turkey hunter with a shotgun in his trunk."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; gun; ms
The DA must really have wanted to get this guy. Three years in prison for owning a Mosin Nagant and a can of ammo.
1 posted on 05/15/2012 3:41:07 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“But one of the big eye-openers is that he had 440 rounds of ammunition. That’s far more than the typical hunter would have in his possession.”

I’m looking, looking, looking... Nope. Don’t see the ammo limit anywhere in the US Constitution. Perhaps one of the finer legal minds here on FR can enlighten me...


2 posted on 05/15/2012 3:46:38 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: marktwain

440 rounds.. well sir, I am not as good of a shot as I used to be... Deer keep moving around and I keep squeezing.


3 posted on 05/15/2012 3:48:05 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: marktwain

There must be more to this story. The guy had a $100 Mosin and a spam can of 440 rounds. The guy screwed up by representing himself.


4 posted on 05/15/2012 3:48:52 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: marktwain
Hill, who represented himself in the trial...
...had a fool for a client.
5 posted on 05/15/2012 3:48:52 AM PDT by samtheman ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc)
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To: marktwain
With the situation we've seen on college campuses in recent years, we have to take this serious.

Seeing unarmed citizens being gunned down is quite serious. So we must focus on keeping citizens unarmed!

6 posted on 05/15/2012 4:10:20 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: marktwain; Joe Brower

The statist goons don’t mind millions of illegal alien invaders, even violent criminals.

But they use a mighty fine mesh screen when searching out gun violations.

Welcome to the USSA.


7 posted on 05/15/2012 4:37:35 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain
Anybody who has been plinking with a semi-auto weapon knows that 440 rounds is NOT a lot of ammo. I've seen my buddy & son go through a box of 200 in about 15 minutes. Buying 1000 rounds is not unusual.

Its like firecrackers. Popping only one is lame. Lighting off a string is cool.

8 posted on 05/15/2012 4:55:47 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Mister Da
Anybody who has been plinking with a semi-auto weapon knows that 440 rounds is NOT a lot of ammo.

A Mosin Nagant is bolt action but that doesn't mean much.

The last time I went home on vacation I took my Mosin, a 440 round spam can, and went shooting with my brother and his Mosin. Between the two of us I only had 50 rounds left after one afternoon shooting.

Liberals, cops, and DA's are usually either stupid, misinformed, or leftist hacks who are trying to subvert what is left of our free nation.

I also do not recall any requirement about guns and hunting within the Constitution or in any writing or document created by our Founding Fathers. Government employees deliberately deflect attention away from the fact our Founding Fathers wanted all of us to be armed AGAINST the Government if it should turn on us (like it has for the past 40 or so years).

9 posted on 05/15/2012 5:29:05 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: marktwain

“I am a firm believer in the Second Amendment, and I’m a life-long member of the (National Rifle Association),” Allgood said. “I know we have a lot of students who are deer hunters. But let’s face it: With the situation we’ve seen on college campuses in recent years, we have to take this serious.”

Typical NRA position. NRA likes to throw hunting in as a justification for 2nd Amendment freedoms. 2nd Amendment is not about hunting. 2nd Amendment is an armed counterweight to gubment power. Many Freepers don’t like it when I say that. The NRA types don’t like it.

Don’t shoot the messenger. I am just reporting the facts.


10 posted on 05/15/2012 6:08:45 AM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: marktwain

he had 440 rounds of ammunition. That’s far more than the typical hunter would have in his possession.”

Wanna bet? We no longer live in the 1950s when a person was so poor they could only buy three rounds of ammo a year to go deer hunting with.


11 posted on 05/15/2012 6:10:10 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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12 posted on 05/15/2012 6:12:51 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: DariusBane
“I am a firm believer in the Second Amendment, and I’m a life-long member of the (National Rifle Association),”

One of these statements is true. The other is a bald faced lie.

13 posted on 05/15/2012 6:13:18 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer, but when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: DariusBane; marktwain
The DA should say what he really means :

“I am a firm sometime believer in the Second Amendment, and I’m a life-long member of the (National Rifle Association),” Allgood said.

A firm believer would say that the student could have any gun and as much ammo as he wanted because the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

14 posted on 05/15/2012 6:14:17 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: marktwain

(440 rounds?) Most people around here buy (bought) ammo by the case when the prices are low. Low prices, like when W was president. Thanks to zero, ammo prices have doubled or more, when you can find it, since five years ago.


15 posted on 05/15/2012 6:30:14 AM PDT by CPOSharky (The only thing straight, white, Christian males get is the blame for everything.)
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To: CPOSharky

When I bought my SKS, I got 250 rounds because it was on a machine gun belt and it was cheaper than buying it by the box.


16 posted on 05/15/2012 6:33:10 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: marktwain; onyx; DrewsMum; Tupelo; mstar; jdirt; Vietnam Vet From New Mexico; wardaddy; KLT; ...

MS ping


17 posted on 05/15/2012 6:42:00 AM PDT by WKB (There are too many coincidences in this world...... for this world to be a coincidence.)
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To: marktwain; Travis McGee; Pelham; blam; Squantos

what an asshat of a DA

we had guns in dorms at Ole Miss

no one said crap

1970s

these jerk is a JBT tool

member of NRA

well whoop ti do

he should be pardoned...immediately...unless there is something we don’t know

what does Mark Levin call this?

creeping tyranny...the most deadly

and this is rural MS...think about it


18 posted on 05/15/2012 9:03:00 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: wardaddy
"Another factor, Allgood said, was some connection between Hill and the Sovereign Citizen Movement, which the Federal Bureau of Investigation identifies as an "anti-government extremist" group linked to murder and assaults, among other crimes." "

A low profile is your friend.

I was told by an FBI agent to be aware that when you decide to join a group that has two or more members that one of them is and FBI agent.

19 posted on 05/15/2012 9:50:46 AM PDT by blam
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To: marktwain
"But one of the big eye-openers is that he had 440 rounds of ammunition. That's far more than the typical hunter would have in his possession."

This is trumped up. One (1) can of surplus 7.62x54R ammo contains 440 count. There is a cost incentive for buying a whole can rather than a few 15/20 round packages. Also, the ammo may be already on stripper clips.

Lastly, it was probably military surplus ammo not "hunting ammo." A knowledgable defense attorney should have been able to deflate the exaggerations.

20 posted on 05/15/2012 10:40:53 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: wardaddy

MSU is full of liberal lefties. The police got a “tip”. Someone has got an agenda and it wasn’t the guy that took the fall. I have a hard time with many of the MSU grads now days, they are nothing short of communists. When I have to go to MSU I have to shut up and just watch.


21 posted on 05/15/2012 7:48:25 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: marktwain; onyx; DrewsMum; Tupelo; mstar; jdirt; Vietnam Vet From New Mexico; wardaddy; KLT; ...

Mississippi ping!


22 posted on 05/15/2012 11:29:54 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: WKB; All

Oops!

Sorry for the duplicate ping.

I was sent the link in frmail, and didn’t check my pings first.


23 posted on 05/15/2012 11:41:25 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: wardaddy; blam; WKB; marktwain

This doesn’t seem to be unusual. It was tried out here, and the Oregon Court of Appeals sided with the constitution and the 2nd amendment.

http://www.ktvz.com/news/29331955/detail.html

Y’all are just lagging.

I can’t wait to be lagging. ;o)


24 posted on 05/15/2012 11:48:11 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: marktwain

His 440 round statement proves that he is an anti gunner. The boy shoots... I can blow through that much in 2 days at the range... add in a few of his dorm friends and that ammo is gone in a few hours.

LLS


25 posted on 05/16/2012 4:22:03 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: blam
I was told by an FBI agent to be aware that when you decide to join a group that has two or more members that one of them is and FBI agent.

But they are easy to spot - always wanting to rob a bank or drop a bridge.

26 posted on 05/17/2012 1:47:05 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: marktwain
I just can't believe he didn't get a lawyer, or his parents didn't get one for him. Circuit court is serious. It isn't like Justice of the Peace court, or “JP” court where you can appeal to circuit court get a new trial.
27 posted on 05/22/2012 12:55:18 PM PDT by A. Patriot (Re-electing Obama is like the Titanic backing up to hit the iceburg again.)
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To: marktwain
This is outrageous. The kid should have gotten himself a decent lawyer. The fact that they had to try him twice to get a conviction makes it even more ridiculous.

From what I understand, the apartment he lived in was not even owned or operated by the university.

28 posted on 05/28/2012 9:16:57 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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