Skip to comments.HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONS and the BIBLE
Posted on 05/15/2012 6:01:56 AM PDT by daniel1212
The interpretive conflict regarding homosexuality and the Bible is a relatively recent phenomenon, between two fundamentally different positions and interpretive schools. Historical/traditional scholarship evidences that the Bible contains laws which prohibit homosexual relations (same gender sexual relations; also referred to as homoeroticism or homogenital relations, or homosex), and which are as universal and immutable as laws against illicit heterosexual partners are shown to be, and unlike incest, homosexual relations never were allowed. In addition, the necessary positive sanction of marriage, which is provided explicitly for opposite gender sexual unions, is nowhere established for homosexual unions.
Pro-homosexual polemicists have responded to this problem by asserting all the injunctions against homosexual relations are culture or contextually bound or for other reasons cannot not universally apply today, and or that the Bible is not wholly inspired of God and provides no transcendent universal sexual ethic. In addition, advocates of homosexual relations often propose or assert that homoeroticism and even same-sex marriage can be seen in many close relationships between persons in the Bible.
While few pro homosexual writers concede that the Bible is contrary to same sex behavior, virtually all reject any Biblical censure of it. Author Robin Scroggs states, Biblical judgments against homosexuality are not relevant to todays debate. William M. Kent, a member of the committee assigned by United Methodists to study homosexuality, explicitly denied the inspiration of any anti-homosex passages in the Bible, and their application today. John Boswell stated, regarding the Bible, that "one must first relinquish the concept of a single book containing a uniform corpus of writings accepted as morally authoritative." Episcopalian professor L. William Countryman contends, The gospel allows no rule against the following, in and of themselves: . .. bestiality, polygamy, homosexual acts, or pornography.
(Excerpt) Read more at peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org ...
Yet due to the wresting of Scripture (2Pt. 3:18) which this requires, their arguments have the effect of negating the Divine inspiration and thus the authority of the very book they both attack and seek to employ.
While recent news focuses upon support in politically high places for joining together what God has placed (sexually) asunder (and Jesus Himself specified it was male and female that God joined: (Mt. 9:3,4), we do not "wrestle against flesh and blood, but against spiritual wickedness in high places," and it is ultimately the devil who seeks to dishonor God by promoting perversity, especially when he can do it in the name of Christ.
And as in the day of Israel, what was sanctioned in the temple sets the moral standard for the nation, and thus the demand that churches recognize homosexual marriage.
Nationally, the moral laws of every nation are based upon a basic ideology which shares some commonalities with others as well as distinctives, and in America that reflected the faith of the basic Christian faith.
But as Daniel Webster prophetically warned,
Lastly, our ancestors established their system of government on morality and religious sentiment. Moral habits, they believed, cannot safely be trusted on any other foundation than religious principle, nor any government be secure which is not supported by moral habits....Whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizens.
"If the power of the Gospel is not felt throughout the length and breadth of the land, anarchy and misrule, degradation and misery, corruption and darkness will reign without mitigation or end."
And the widespread practice and sanction of homosexual relations, which is concomitant with other aspects of fleshly living and selfishness, marks the final stages of moral decline going before destruction.
Which provides further impetus for the body of Christ to be distinctively different from the world in purity, love and spirit, as well as faith and doctrine, that as nations fall they may look to Christ, and find refuge in Him, to the glory of God the Father.
And which appeal extends to homosexuals as well, as some of the first Christians formerly were such, (1Cor. 6:9-11) and we all (who are Christians) were disobedient children of wrath (Eph. 2:1-3) before we abased ourselves as admitting so much and trusted the risen Lord Jesus Christ to save us by His sinless shed blood. (Rm. 3:9-25) And as "in many things we offend all" (Ja. 3:2), we yet depend upon that as we seek to walk in the light of Christ.
Whoa be it to ANY man who changes one word of God.
Abomination is the one word that speaks volumes and the one word that simply says it all.
” “If the power of the Gospel is not felt throughout the length and breadth of the land, anarchy and misrule, degradation and misery, corruption and darkness will reign without mitigation or end.”
Sounds like a homophobe /sarc
The main things are the plain things...
I teach at a Christian prep school and we have a senior survey course.
The course is mainly how to handle finances and work related issues, but also includes a worldview unit.
Thanks to our “dear leader” it looks as though we need to add at least a discussion on this subject.
Can you suggest any other supplemental readings?
I just looked through the document and saw that it is VERY well footnoted.
That answers my “any other” reading question.
Seems to me I’ve read somewhere where someone said...
“did God REALLY say...”
but I just can’t put my finger on it... :”)
Gods Wrath on Unrighteousness
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible manand birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
Romans Chapter 1
Genesis-2:24 “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.”
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God” (I Corinthians 6:9-10).
I wonder how the guy reconciles the sexual purity intent and message of "your body is a temple"...
“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination” (Leviticus 18:22);
Freedom not Sodom!
There's freedom in America, the land of the red white and blue;
but there still must be laws, things you just can't do.
You can't marry your sister, your brother, or the family pet;
a sheep, or a goat - at least not yet!
That how is it with homosexuality, what the Bible calls sodomy;
men lying with men as with women, is perversity!
That they're not designed that way, tis easy to perceive,
but yielding to sinful desires, man is soon deceived.
A moral wrong is not a civil right; like the sin itself, that's confusion;
calling evil good and exchanging light for darkness, is sure delusion!
History tells us where this will lead, from societies now in dust,
When a nation casts off the laws of God, and follows it's own lusts.
Promoting a sin which sends one to Hell from an early grave,
dishonors God and robs man of the Life He gave.
There's but one answer: the Risen Jesus gave Himself for our sins;
Repent and believe, then truly follow Him!
Gal. 6:18 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Rom. 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
1Cor. 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
And the Lord Jesus invoked that in specifying that opposite gender are what God joined in marriage. (Mt. 19:4)
>The course is mainly how to handle finances and work related issues, but also includes a worldview unit..Can you suggest any other supplemental readings?<
Well, though it is not the main priority, the war against God has and is costing plenty in money, besides lives and souls. See http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RevealingStatistics.html (extensive stats)
Also very relevant is the place of the Bible in American education, and i would urge them to examine this:
..a.pproximately half of all American children learned from the McGuffey Reader, a series of textbooks of which 122 million copies were published (during a time when the population was much less than today, and books were passed on more). The first Reader was published in the 1830’s, and was followed by five additional Readers, the last being published in 1885. This was an advanced teaching system for its time, written by William Holmes McGuffey, who later became a Presbyterian minister, and a work which earned him the title, the Great Schoolmaster of the Nation.
McGuffey Readers became the standardized reading text for most schools across the United States, especially throughout the West and South, during the mid to late nineteenth century,  and were used widely in America until just after World War I. This resulted in the Readers becoming a unifying force in American culture, giving America a common value-laden body of literary reference and allusion, and a sense of common experience and of common possession.
..By 1890, schools nationwide saw 95 percent of children between the ages of five and thirteen enrolled for at least a few months out of the year, though less than 5 percent of adolescents went to high school, and even fewer entered college.
In addition, while there existed thousands of local schools, nearly one thousand colleges and universities (of varying quality), and scores of normal schools with trained teachers, education was largely locally managed, as the federal bureau of education, while collecting information about the condition of education, possessed no control over local schools. Education agencies on the state level were small, and its few employees had little or no power over local school districts. School systems in large cities could also function with little oversight, such as in Baltimore, where the public schools in 1890 employed only two superintendents for the entire district of 1,200 teachers.
Despite the lack of centralized administration, public schools across America were notably similar, with children learning both the basics of reading, writing, and arithmetic, and the basics of good behavior the latter being enforced when necessary by corporal punishment. Schools were important community institutions, and reflected the values of of parents and churches, such as honesty, industry, patriotism, responsibility, respect for adults, and courtesy. Memorization, recitation, chants and rhymes were often used in teaching subjects, while solving mathematical problems in one’s own head was promoted.
The inculcation of basic education and self-discipline was purposed to promote good moral citizenry, people who would be honestly employed, and make wise and informed choices, and overall progress in an individualistic, competitive and democratic society, and who would contribute to the vitality of their community and country.
Also along that line: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/CauseEffect.html: Robert Winthrop (May 12, 1809 November 16, 1894), and Speaker of the House from 1838 to 1840, and later president of the Massachusetts Bible Society, explained that, Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled, either by a power within them, or by a power without them; either by the Word of God, or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible or the bayonet.
Even the Unitarian (a religion that effectively denies Christ and the Divine authority of the Bible, but, unlike its immoral form today, at that time it at least overall upheld general Biblical morality) Father of the Common School, Horace Mann (May 4, 1796 August 02, 1859), who became Massachusetts Secretary of Education in 1837, not only understood the impossibility of separating education from religious moral beliefs, but held that it was lawful to teach the truths of the general Christian faith, asserting that the laws of Massachusetts required the teaching of the basic moral doctrines of Christianity.
Mann, who supported prohibition of alcohol and intemperance, slavery and lotteries, (http://www.famousamericans.net/horacemann) dreaded intellectual eminence when separated from virtue, that education, if taught without moral responsibilities, would produce more evil than it inherited. (William Jeynes, American educational history: school, society, and the common good, p. 149, 150)
Harvard College Lawes of 1642
(from New England’s First Fruits)
1. When any Schollar is able to Read Tully or such like classicall Latine Author ex tempore, and make and speake true Latin [which the Bible existed in] in verse and prose suo (ut aiunt) Marte, and decline perfectly the paradigmes of Nounes and verbes in the Greeke tongue, then may hee bee admitted into the College, nor shall any claime admission before such qualifications.
2. Every one shall consider the mayne End of his life and studyes, to know God and Jesus Christ which is Eternall life. Joh. 17.3.
3. Seeing the Lord giveth wisdome, every one shall seriously by prayer in secret, seeke wisdome of him. prov. 2.2,3 etc.
4. Every one shall so exercise himselfe in reading the Scriptures twice a day that they bee ready to give an account of their proficiency therein, both in theoreticall observations of Language and Logicke, and in practicall and spirituall truthes as their tutor shall require according to their severall abilities respectively, seeing the Entrance of the word giveth light etc. psal. 119, 130.
5. In the publicke Church assembly they shall carefully shunne all gestures that shew any contempt or neglect of Gods ordinances and bee ready to give an account to their tutors of their profiting and to use the helpes of Storing themselves with knowledge, as their tutours shall direct them, and all Sophisters and Bachellors (until themselves make common place) shall publiquely repeate Sermons in the Hall whenver they are called forth.
6. they shall eschew all prophanation of Gods holy name, attributes, word, ordinances, and times of worship, and study with Reverence and love carefully to reteine God and his truth in their minds.
7. they shall honour as their parents, Magistrates, Elders, tutours and aged persons, by beeing silent in their presence (except they bee called on to answer) not gainesaying shewing all those laudable expressions of honour and Reverence in their presence, that are in uses as bowing before them standing uncovered or the like.
8. they shall be slow to speake, and eschew not onely oathes, Lies, and uncertaine Rumours, but likewise all idle, foolish, bitter scoffing, frothy wanton words and offensive gestures.
Indeed. See poem @ post #15. To God be the glory, and may I and we be more pure in heart and deed.
May His tribe increase, that of the “cry and sigh” ministry of Ezekiel 9:4:
And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
The lack of prominent men like Webster is a judgment upon this nation.
And thus one of the specious arguments by the PHAs is that “abomination” just refers to things like unclean food, which is refuted in the document.
“Realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted” (I Timothy 1:9-11).
Thank you for the new tag line!