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Fukushima unit 2 liquification of uranium core. never seen before in history of nuclear power
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Posted on 05/15/2012 10:51:30 AM PDT by yank in the UK

Unit 2 we now know completely liquified. We’ve never seen this before in the history of nuclear power. A 100% liquification of a uranium core.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: chickenlittles; fukushima; meltdown; nolongeraproblem; pasttense; radiation; senselesspanic; uranium
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1 posted on 05/15/2012 10:51:39 AM PDT by yank in the UK
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To: yank in the UK

And it melted its way to the center of the Earth, right?


2 posted on 05/15/2012 10:54:28 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: yank in the UK

This happening in the US was labeled the China Syndrome, they were wrong again.

However what would the movie be called if it were to be made in Japan?


3 posted on 05/15/2012 10:54:47 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: yank in the UK

That doesn’t sound good at all. Anybody smart enough to know what the ramifications are?


4 posted on 05/15/2012 10:54:47 AM PDT by Shadow44
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To: yank in the UK

This happening in the US was labeled the China Syndrome, they were wrong again.

However what would the movie be called if it were to be made in Japan?


5 posted on 05/15/2012 10:55:07 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: yank in the UK

Nothing to see here...... lol


6 posted on 05/15/2012 10:55:33 AM PDT by Moleman
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To: yank in the UK

I guess that means Nuke power is safe now that the world is still here and doesn’t have a navel where a power plant used to be.....


7 posted on 05/15/2012 10:59:58 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Shadow44

“That doesn’t sound good at all. Anybody smart enough to know what the ramifications are?”

According to previous guesses we were all supposed to be dead by now. I’ll just sit and wait.


8 posted on 05/15/2012 11:01:30 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: yank in the UK

9 posted on 05/15/2012 11:01:52 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Shadow44

“That doesn’t sound good at all. Anybody smart enough to know what the ramifications are?”

My thoughts exactly. I was hoping that another freeper that knows anything about this sort of situation could enlighten us all. No, it doesn’t sound good at all.


10 posted on 05/15/2012 11:03:08 AM PDT by yank in the UK ( A liberal mocking Christianity. I asked "why don't you mock Islam?" he replied "Muslims are violent)
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To: yank in the UK
So now what? I assume our state department, military, private industry has been talking with the government of Japan and TEPCO from the outset and offering any assistance we could. I wonder. This is a world problem. I respect Micio Kaku. He sounds worried.
11 posted on 05/15/2012 11:03:48 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: yank in the UK

And that’s a bad thing, right?


12 posted on 05/15/2012 11:05:05 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Shadow44
ramifications

As at Chernobyl, time will tell.

13 posted on 05/15/2012 11:05:28 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Art in Idaho; yank in the UK

What did Mr. Kaku say? I’ve read his books and also have a great deal of respect for him.

I don’t know what this means, but it sounds very bad.


14 posted on 05/15/2012 11:06:28 AM PDT by proud American in Canada
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To: yank in the UK

So in it’s current state it is pretty much unsalvageable and there is no way to contain it? Evuh?

So does it sit there for 1,000’s of years or does it eat through the containment field and then melt it’s way to the core?

Wonder if there will a loud boom when it reaches magma?


16 posted on 05/15/2012 11:10:08 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: UB355

I think the Falklands.


17 posted on 05/15/2012 11:10:08 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: yank in the UK
Kills household germs on contact!

18 posted on 05/15/2012 11:10:19 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: Shadow44

I had read somewhere that if it got bad enough there that they would evacuate Tokyo. I don’t know if this is “bad enough” though.


19 posted on 05/15/2012 11:10:49 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: yank in the UK

http://www.civilbeat.com/posts/2011/03/18/9769-how-to-access-almost-real-time-hawaii-radiation-data-from-epa/


20 posted on 05/15/2012 11:11:06 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: yank in the UK

if we pumped about a million gallons of freon on that sucker...oh wait...


21 posted on 05/15/2012 11:11:14 AM PDT by Dogbert41 ("...The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God" Zech. 12:5)
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To: yank in the UK

No election to be held in November./s


22 posted on 05/15/2012 11:12:12 AM PDT by hummingbird (I am Breitbart.)
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To: Shadow44
“That doesn’t sound good at all. Anybody smart enough to know what the ramifications are?”

They won't be able to re start the reactor until at least the end of the year.

23 posted on 05/15/2012 11:13:53 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (We are the 53%. 47% of Americans pay no taxes; end the free ride...)
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To: yank in the UK
Is this being reported by a Left-Wing Alarmist rag ?

24 posted on 05/15/2012 11:14:01 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UB355
This happening in the US was labeled the China Syndrome, they were wrong again.

However what would the movie be called if it were to be made in Japan?

South Atrantic Syndrome.

If you bored straight down, you'd burst through the sea floor over 16,000 feet down.

25 posted on 05/15/2012 11:14:42 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Tublecane

You just have to wait long enough, eventually everyone will be dead.


26 posted on 05/15/2012 11:16:03 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: yank in the UK
They are using "liquified" -- in the past tense. Does that not mean that it liquified, and is now solid again?

Not sure if this GE design incorporates a Boron "catch pan" at the bottom of the containment vessel. Boron will "poison" the reaction and quench it so that the core will stop melting itself. Properly designed Boron catch pans will contain an entire melted core until it solidifies, and will keep it immobile and stable.

This sounds to me like a transient event that is no longer a threat.

27 posted on 05/15/2012 11:16:31 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Shadow44

FROM THE COMMENTS SECTION OF THE LINK:

think it means it’s no longer in the corium ‘blob’ state but capable of traveling into the earth’s mantle in a stream-like state; which is much worse than any previous worst case scenario. There will be no remediation possible; resulting in radiological contamination of underground water-ways (interacting ocean and fresh-water aquifers) within this entire region, for hundreds-of-thousands of years.

Given the amount of energy needed to maintain a liquified condition without significant surface cooling is unusual. Classical thermodynamics has left the building…


28 posted on 05/15/2012 11:17:32 AM PDT by AmonAmarth (Wherever you go...There you are)
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To: yank in the UK

So has this liquified core melted down to below sea level?

That would make the situation “more complicated”.


29 posted on 05/15/2012 11:18:12 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: yank in the UK

CORIUM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corium_(nuclear_reactor)


30 posted on 05/15/2012 11:19:54 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: proud American in Canada
Short video from Micio Kaku, May 9, Here.
31 posted on 05/15/2012 11:20:50 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: driftdiver

“You just have to wait long enough, eventually everyone will be dead.”

That’s what J.M. Keynes thought. And it’s true, in that all that lives must die. But human beings are known to reproduce themselves, through a highly entertaining and interesting process about which I won’t go into details. When that eventuality comes there will be new people who will be alive. One of the points of civilization is to outlast the current generation.


32 posted on 05/15/2012 11:21:26 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: yank in the UK

How does Michio Kaku know this to be fact?


33 posted on 05/15/2012 11:21:31 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: TXnMA

—They are using “liquified” — in the past tense. Does that not mean that it liquified, and is now solid again? —

I think they are using it in the sense of “The house burned down.”


34 posted on 05/15/2012 11:28:57 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: AmonAmarth

I read that post. When knowledgeable physicists are worried, there’s a problem.


35 posted on 05/15/2012 11:30:32 AM PDT by proud American in Canada
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To: Art in Idaho

Thank you! I’ll watch it when I get home (not able to watch videos at work).


36 posted on 05/15/2012 11:32:03 AM PDT by proud American in Canada
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To: yank in the UK

That plant has been fukushima’d over.


37 posted on 05/15/2012 11:33:11 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: AmonAmarth

OK, now that REALLY sounds alarming.


38 posted on 05/15/2012 11:34:05 AM PDT by Shadow44
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To: yank in the UK

I must confess that I am more than a little concerned that this thing could go all “1950’s doomsday movie” on us.

Seeing as the world’s civilization is going through social and economic meltdown as I write this, I suppose this would complete the picture. ;-)


39 posted on 05/15/2012 11:34:46 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: proud American in Canada
Hour long interview with Micio Kaku, May 9, 2012, Here. Micio Kaku seems to be up to date with the situation. Overall, without any hysteria, it doesn't sound good.
40 posted on 05/15/2012 11:34:51 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: All

Don’t forget to watch “On the Beach” this week!


41 posted on 05/15/2012 11:35:52 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Shadow44

If true, it means that the containment structure did what it was designed to do...it contained the (formerly) melted core.

Ramification: clean-up is going to be very difficult.


42 posted on 05/15/2012 11:36:26 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Steely Tom

Re: And it melted its way to the center of the Earth, right?

If Jane Fonda says so it must be true LOL!


43 posted on 05/15/2012 11:36:55 AM PDT by jesseam
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To: AmonAmarth
"There will be no remediation possible; resulting in radiological contamination of underground water-ways (interacting ocean and fresh-water aquifers) within this entire region, for hundreds-of-thousands of years."

If it's so dang heavy, why doesn't it travel down instead of spreading laterally? If it IS heading to the earth's core, how is that a problem? I mean, as long as we don't brew beer out of Core-water?

44 posted on 05/15/2012 11:45:00 AM PDT by cookcounty ("We're all born idiots, and we only get over that condition as we get less young." -J Goldberg)
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To: Art in Idaho; proud American in Canada; DTogo

I enjoy listening to Micio Kaku, but he is a die hard rabid leftist, ao you should take anything he says that can have a political angle (global warming, nuclear ower, etc..) with a great deal of skepticism..


45 posted on 05/15/2012 11:45:12 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: yank in the UK

Well...The term China Syndrome is slightly overstated....most people in the know say the liquefied core would melt through the metal and concrete container and bottom out at about thirty feet. It seems that for all the hand ringing about nuclear disasters that as disasters go this one is not near the Apocalypse one of these things was suppose to have been!!!


46 posted on 05/15/2012 11:46:14 AM PDT by ontap
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To: colorado tanker

Some one will get you for that!!


47 posted on 05/15/2012 11:48:10 AM PDT by ontap
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To: MrShoop

Exactly.

Here’s the recent monitoring info on the reactors:

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/f1/images/2012parameter/12051511_table_summary-e.pdf

NB the temps at the bottoms of the reactor pressure vessels. Below the point of boiling for water. Warm, but not “hot.”


48 posted on 05/15/2012 11:49:56 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: MrShoop
I enjoy listening to Micio Kaku, but he is a die hard rabid leftist, ao you should take anything he says that can have a political angle (global warming, nuclear ower, etc..) with a great deal of skepticism..

Didn't know he was a rabid leftist. Wish we could get some other heavy hitters to chime in on this with updated information. Anyone you folks know, or can contact?

49 posted on 05/15/2012 11:52:12 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: yank in the UK

When you’re hot you’re hot.


50 posted on 05/15/2012 11:53:59 AM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 11 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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