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Is the filibuster unconstitutional?
The Washington Post ^ | 15 May 2012 | Ezra Klein

Posted on 05/15/2012 11:49:08 AM PDT by Theoria

According to Best Lawyers — “the oldest and most respected peer-review publication in the legal profession” — Emmet Bondurant “is the go-to lawyer when a business person just can’t afford to lose a lawsuit.” He was its 2010 Lawyer of the Year for Antitrust and Bet-the-Company Litigation. But now, he’s bitten off something even bigger: bet-the-country litigation.

Bondurant thinks the filibuster is unconstitutional. And, alongside Common Cause, where he serves on the board of directors, he’s suing to have the Supreme Court abolish it.

In a 2011 article in the Harvard Law School’s Journal on Legislation, Bondurant laid out his case for why the filibuster crosses constitutional red lines. But to understand the argument, you have to understand the history: The filibuster was a mistake.

In 1806, the Senate, on the advice of Aaron Burr, tried to clean up its rule book, which was thought to be needlessly complicated and redundant. One change it made was to delete something called “the previous question” motion. That was the motion senators used to end debate on whatever they were talking about and move to the next topic. Burr recommended axing it because it was hardly ever used. Senators were gentlemen. They knew when to stop talking.

That was the moment the Senate created the filibuster. But nobody knew it at the time. It would be three more decades before the first filibuster was mounted — which meant it was five decades after the ratification of the Constitution.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: congress; constitution; filibuster
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(Graph: Todd Lindeman; Data: Senate.gov)

1 posted on 05/15/2012 11:49:08 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: Theoria

The constitution does not, nor would it, detail every permitted action. This is like saying that oral arguments before the Supreme Court are not constitutional, as it’s not written in there.


2 posted on 05/15/2012 11:52:44 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Theoria
Until now, I thought Congress was one of three co-equal branches of government and as such could not be overruled by either the executive or legislative branches. Thus, they can establish their own rules and do things as they please without outside interference.

My bad ...

3 posted on 05/15/2012 11:53:35 AM PDT by Zakeet (Obama loves to wok dogs)
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To: Theoria

“Is the filibuster unconstitutional?”

No.


4 posted on 05/15/2012 11:53:35 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Theoria
I don't have a big problem with the filibuster itself.OTOH I have a huge problem with a legislator being able to simply *declare* that he/she will filibuster and it's deeded to have happened.The legislator involved should be required to TALK...non-stop...in order for it to be valid.Like in Mr Smith Goes To Washington.

And BTW...the fact that Common Cause opposes them strengthens my support of them.

5 posted on 05/15/2012 11:54:26 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: another casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: Theoria

These questions are never asked when republicans hold majorities.


6 posted on 05/15/2012 11:55:35 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Theoria

Generally speaking, anything that makes it harder for the government to accomplish anything should be considered a positive good.


7 posted on 05/15/2012 11:56:39 AM PDT by jdege
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To: Theoria

At least Mr. Klein mentioned the Constitution gives each house of Congress the set its own rules: “determine the Rules of its Proceedings.”

If the liberals want to end the filibuster than all Harry Reid needed to do was to get rid of the rule when the new Congress was seated but he didn’t. For example, House Speaker Reid in 1890 got rid of the rule allowing a minority to have an effective veto over legislation by not “attending” House proceedings and denying the House a quorum.


8 posted on 05/15/2012 12:00:12 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: Theoria
Whether or not it was a mistake is immaterial.

From Article 1, Section 5:

Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member."
9 posted on 05/15/2012 12:00:25 PM PDT by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: Theoria
Whether or not it was a mistake is immaterial.

From Article 1, Section 5:

"Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member."
10 posted on 05/15/2012 12:00:47 PM PDT by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Yep. They need to actually do it. The threat is not enough. The same is when a party says they don’t have the votes. Fine, but still vote. Put your vote in the records of infamy.


11 posted on 05/15/2012 12:02:28 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Tublecane; All

you are incorrect- when there is a rat in the WH who wants to be king, ruler and demands to get everything he wants, then the filibuster is unconstitutional...

when there’s a Republican president, the filibuster is considered necessary patriotic dissent...


12 posted on 05/15/2012 12:02:58 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5million pay no federal income tax then vote demoKrat)
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To: Theoria

Interesting that this should become an issue just now. The Left anticipating losing the Senate in November?


13 posted on 05/15/2012 12:02:58 PM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: Theoria
From Article 1. Section 5.

“Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.”

As the Senate has determined that its rules require 60 votes to gain “cloture” - then the making and enforcing of such a rule is Constitutional.

But amazing that when Democrats hold filibuster power in a Republican dominated Senate - the filibuster rule is enshrined in U.S. law and a necessary check on majority rule; but when Republicans hold filibuster power in a Democrat dominated Senate - it is somehow Unconstitutional 0r at least “extra” Constitutional.

One might think they had bias or something!

14 posted on 05/15/2012 12:03:31 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Theoria
Is the filibuster unconstitutional?

No.

The House and Senate may set their rules of operation as a co equal branch with the Supreme Court.

A SCOTUS attempt to review those rules would be unconstitutional and cause for impeachment.

15 posted on 05/15/2012 12:04:46 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Theoria

What are the Senate (and the House, for matter) rules for a voting quorum? The reason I ask is, Democrats in both Indiana and Wisconsin—within the past year—have walked out of legislatures to prevent the business of government from moving forward. Should that action too, be considered un-Constitutional?


16 posted on 05/15/2012 12:05:53 PM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a filibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“I have a huge problem with a legislator being able to simply *declare* that he/she will filibuster and it’s deeded to have happened.The legislator involved should be required to TALK...non-stop...in order for it to be valid.Like in Mr Smith Goes To Washington.”

I don’t really understand this filibuster purism. It’s gotta be some kind of nostalgia, along the lines of “in the old days we had to walk a mile to school uphill both ways in the dark during snowstorms.” Them deeming a filibuster having taken place without one actually taking place is a way to exploit the rules to get around a vote, just as old-fashioned filibustering was a means of exploiting the rules. There is nothing about the inherent nature of talking for hours on end that makes it a more legitimate means of vote avoidance.


17 posted on 05/15/2012 12:06:26 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Theoria

Oh here we go...now Ezra has been handed Harry Reid’s talking point. These rats see the writing on the wall and it’s curtains for tham in November. So their only path is to try and neuter the effects of being in the minority. Fuggetaboutit...we remember, the “we won” President and Pelosi/Reid years. With disdain. It is going to take years to undo their damage.


18 posted on 05/15/2012 12:08:42 PM PDT by SueRae (The Tower of Sauron falls on 11.06.2012)
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To: kingu

“The constitution does not, nor would it, detail every permitted action. This is like saying that oral arguments before the Supreme Court are not constitutional, as it’s not written in there.”

Exactly. The Framers may have intended for laws to pass by simple majority, but who’s to say when a majority can properly be counted? What if a ragtag group of senators gather on the capital steps and count hands? Does constitute a proper vote? No, because Senate rules forbid it. Votes have to be counted in a certain way under certain conditions.


19 posted on 05/15/2012 12:10:57 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Theoria
Reid, who has traditionally been a defender of the filibuster, took to the Senate floor to apologize to all the reformers he had stymied over the years.

“The rest of us were wrong,” he said. “If there were anything that ever needed changing in this body, it’s the filibuster rule, because it’s been abused, abused and abused.”

That's pitiful. His tune will change come November when the Senate changes hands by a small majority to the Republicans. Democrats perfected the fillibuster and make it a near constant when Bush tried to appoint SC Justices.

20 posted on 05/15/2012 12:13:03 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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