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Should We Obey All Laws?
Townhall.com ^ | May 16, 2012 | Walter E. Williams

Posted on 05/16/2012 3:48:55 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: BenLurkin

Not surprised, because gun sales have gone up through the roof.


41 posted on 05/16/2012 8:13:26 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: DNME

That is why I go with the teaching of Jesus, to render unto God what is God’s.


42 posted on 05/16/2012 8:15:06 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Uncle Ike

There is.


43 posted on 05/16/2012 8:15:50 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Uncle Ike

Judging by the complacency over 1.3 million state sanctioned murders every year, I’d say no.


44 posted on 05/16/2012 8:17:35 AM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Uncle Ike

Take confort, there is hope.


45 posted on 05/16/2012 8:28:12 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: DNME

I go by, love God first, others second, myself third.


46 posted on 05/16/2012 8:30:32 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Uncle Ike
I really wonder if, in our Nation as it exists today, there is a sufficient number of non-sheep to form the critical mass necessary to beat back tyranny...

That's a darn good question. My tentative answer is no, there aren't enough non-sheep. The American people seem to accept what there are told to do in ridiculous laws. The TSA bullcrap that goes on every day is proof of that.

47 posted on 05/16/2012 9:10:22 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: camle

The illegal immigrants you equate to citizens are not part of the community that (ostensibly) created the laws. Therefore, they have no say in whether they should be obeyed or not.

If you crash my party, you don’t get to complain about the beer I’m serving. But if you helped pay for a keg and I went out and bought red wine instead (because I don’t like beer), then you have a right to kvetch.


48 posted on 05/16/2012 9:36:52 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Kaslin

Suppose you were on the jury for colonial newspaper publisher John Peter Zenger, who published articles against the King. Would you convict him of doing so? The jury didn’t — they said he had a right to do so.


49 posted on 05/16/2012 10:03:34 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Kaslin

Moral people can’t rely solely on the courts to establish what’s right or wrong


A good deal of this crap would stop if School children (and their parents) were reminded that a jury has not only the right but the obligation to judge the law as well as the offence ... and that this concept was validated by the Supreme Court opinion that has not been superceded. In the 1800s, judges used to tell you this ... but no longer.

Every juror should start deliberations with a request to see a copy of the exact text of the law which the defendant is claimed to have violated. If the law is vague, and subject to multiple interpretations, then no one’s liberty or treasure should be confiscated to enforce it. Some judges will throw you off of the jury if you insist on actually seeing the text of the law.

The next question is, “Is this a law that we should enforce? In other words, is it moral?”

For example, if I were on a jury for a young person accused of violating a pot possession law, I would note that the past 3 Presidents have admitted to the press that they broke this law; and then I would ask, “Is this a law that should be enforced?”

If so, then the third question can be asked ... did the defendant intend to and then actually violate the law?

Check FIJA.com for more information.


50 posted on 05/16/2012 1:30:40 PM PDT by Mack the knife
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To: dagogo redux

BFL, I’d like to reply to this at length


51 posted on 05/16/2012 1:59:54 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: EternalVigilance

“...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law...” (Amendment V). This covers it.


52 posted on 05/16/2012 9:57:44 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: IronJack

Congress can remove the jurisdiction of the judiciary over a given issue. They have done so in the past.


53 posted on 05/16/2012 9:59:12 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

The Federal Judiciary, yes. But not the Supreme Court’s.


54 posted on 05/17/2012 5:06:57 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack

That amounts to the same thing, as the Supreme Court, except in a few specific cases prescribed in the Constitution itself, has only appellate jurisdiction. If you prevent the lower courts from taking up anything, you prevent the Supreme Court from getting that matter.

You pass the laws you want to pass in accord with the Constitution as written and take away the jurisdiction of the Federal judiciary to change it. Nothing the Supremes can do at that point.


55 posted on 05/17/2012 2:37:56 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP
The Supreme Court could conceivably act sua sponte and take the matter up without a writ being granted. And in certain matters, the Court is the body of First Jurisdiction.

But I think we're arguing arcana now.

56 posted on 05/17/2012 3:47:35 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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