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Not your grandfather’s B-52
DOD BUZZ ^ | Tuesday, May 15th, 2012 10:59 am | Philip Ewing

Posted on 05/16/2012 4:26:22 AM PDT by TSgt

The Air Force wants its B-52s to keep flying until 2040, but the airplanes of that era won’t look like the ones we all remember from “Dr. Strangelove” — or even the bombers flying today.

According to an official story from the weekend, Lt. Gen. Jim Kowalski, the head of Global Strike Command, says the B-52 is set to receive a round of upgrades that will help both the airmen inside each one and also the top-level commanders moving them around on their maps. Even if that commander’s suit is a darker shade of blue:

These upgrades are integral to ensuring the B-52H is both effective and able to fully integrate with other services, as envisioned in the Air Sea Battle concept, according to command officials.

Among the upgrades is a guided “smart weapon” capability in the B-52H’s internal weapons bay, which provides a 66 percent increase in guided weapons payload. Another current program is an upgrade to the latest Advanced Targeting Pod, which will increase the B-52H effectiveness when performing close air support and other missions.

One of the test aircraft at Edwards AFB also featured an improved on-board communications upgrade called Combat Network Communications Technology (CONECT). The CONECT program brings the B-52H from the analog into the digital age, according to command officials, providing an invaluable data link over which to pass mission and threat data.

With the new defense strategy placing a greater emphasis on the Pacific, it’s really important that our bombers are fully networked and integrated with the joint force, Kowalski said.

The mind races at the possibilities — a carrier strike group commander with B-52s integrated into her air plan? “Sensor netting,” as we’ve heard so much about, that lets a commander in Australia see what a bomber is tracking over the North Pacific? You can start to hear Navy Undersecretary Robert Work’s voice explaining how, of all things, the Air Force could help increase the effective size of the Navy’s fleet, along with his beloved P-8s, BAMS, E-2Ds and so on.

Part of the problem with imagining the future for this kind of integration, however, is a lack of clarity about exactly what scenarios U.S. planners are using to build it. This is where D.C.-based China fear-mongering gets a little frustrating, because it usually ends with people frowning severely, or arching their eyebrows, rather than spelling out what they believe would be involved with a potential future crisis.

Are American forces going to fight another Battle of Coral Sea with Chinese naval forces? Are they going to encounter a wall of “anti-access/area denial” missile and submarine attacks if they cross a keep-out “line of death?” Are they going to have to eject Chinese invaders from Taiwan? All three? Are American forces going to attack the Chinese mainland?

All that planning is on the high side, so it can be tough trying to put Kowalski’s comments into a larger context. But whatever Pentagon planners have in their red-edged briefing documents, this story makes it clear they’ll be counting on the 60 year-old B-52s to play a key part in it.



TOPICS: Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: b52; buf
Love the Buff but damn she's getting old!
1 posted on 05/16/2012 4:26:23 AM PDT by TSgt
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To: TSgt

just wrong....a Brokeback kind of Strangelove.

2 posted on 05/16/2012 4:30:24 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: TSgt

“The Old Dog”


3 posted on 05/16/2012 4:31:09 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: TSgt
I think the awesomeness of the B52 lies more in its ability to deliver massive amounts of ordinance in a somewhat haphazard manner rather than its ability to deliver a few PGMs in a surgical manner. I have heard that men literally shit in their pants when a full payload starts falling in their proximity. A weapon that causes kind of terror will have a place in our airforce for many years to come. PGMs aren't terrifying. They are a symbol of weakness and lack of resolve. Dumb bombs are a different kind of symbol all together.
4 posted on 05/16/2012 4:39:24 AM PDT by RC one (all y'all had to do was vote for Newt but noooooo, he wasn't good enough.)
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To: TSgt
The BUFF still kicks ass


5 posted on 05/16/2012 4:40:08 AM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: RC one
You mean "carpet bombing"


6 posted on 05/16/2012 4:44:42 AM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: TSgt

Ever seen a BUFF take off up close? Its magnificent. Closest thing to a religious experience I’ve ever had.


7 posted on 05/16/2012 4:52:23 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: TSgt

In 1971 I thought the D model in the Lowry training hanger was cool, even as the G & H models were being fielded.
But extending its life to 2040 is a bit beyond ridiculous.


8 posted on 05/16/2012 5:12:42 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: TSgt

9 posted on 05/16/2012 5:14:50 AM PDT by ILS21R (John Locke: When the social contract is broken, the people must revolt.)
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To: RC one
PGMs aren't terrifying. They are a symbol of weakness and lack of resolve. Dumb bombs are a different kind of symbol all together.

Exactly. A population is better disposed toward occupying troops when they're shell-shocked and bludgeoned into submission with dumb bombs. The sense of defeat is inescapable (e.g., Germany, Japan).

Populations defeated with PGMs are irate because they lack electricity and possibly running water. The only indication of a war was occasional distant booms and palls of smoke, and so they lack the shell-shocked sense of despair and defeat that comes with city-busting carpet bombing (e.g., Iraq).

10 posted on 05/16/2012 5:15:18 AM PDT by Spirochete (Sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: rbg81

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt4xxVyZvwM

It sounds pretty awesome as well.


11 posted on 05/16/2012 5:16:24 AM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: rbg81

I grew up in upstate western NY. There is a large AFB somewhere near Buffalo that has a lot of these.

One afternoon, in 71 or 72, about twenty B-52’s flew over westbound towards Buffalo.

In a word that gets used too much these days, well, it was AWESOME!!


12 posted on 05/16/2012 5:22:42 AM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: rbg81

A friend of mine related his experience in the USMC near the Cambodian border when a B-52 dumped its load five miles from his position. It was a little more than a religious experience...


13 posted on 05/16/2012 5:24:00 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: G Larry
In 1971 I thought the D model in the Lowry training hanger was cool, even as the G & H models were being fielded. But extending its life to 2040 is a bit beyond ridiculous.

GL...

I ask on top of the life extension are these as equal or more ridiculous...

* No national will to build a new bomber from scratch.
* DOD paperwork, lack of risk taking and over-analizing would lead to cost over-runs, over-engineering and the eventual death of the program
* Congress and the Senate Micro-mananging it.
* All tooling for the B-1 is gone, so we can't do a quick and dirty on that...
* All the Dang Treaties with the Russians are a flippin nightmare, and have us boxed in...

My solution?

Massive upgrades ( F119 engines for starters ) for the B-1 and let the Israeli's do it, farm it out since no one has the cohones to do anything here anymore and then take re-delivery of them, that is the only thing I can think of for now to get around all the BS noted above...

14 posted on 05/16/2012 5:30:43 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: RC one
What is happening here is that the massive bomb load just got a lot smarter. Targets are the objective, not really terror. + we don't really have many bombers at all. So carpet bombing is out for logistical reasons.

Dumb bombs ala WWII are extremely wasteful in many ways. For example, all the WWII tonnage dropped on Germany actually had very little effect on overall war production. (Especially those dropped by the Brits at night, or the blitz the NAZIs inflicted on Britain) You are correct in describing the terror they inspired then, and the psychological effect of the B52 in VietNam.

15 posted on 05/16/2012 5:46:11 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: djf

I used to live in a neighborhood at the end of the runway at what was Larson AFB in Washington state. In the early 60’s the B-52’s were silver with white bottoms. They were an awesome thing to see landing and taking off. And yeah, they were loud. Then, in the mid-60’s most of them were green camo on top and black on the bottom.

My dad serviced the analog computers for the tail guns.

Man, those were interesting times.


16 posted on 05/16/2012 5:47:54 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: TSgt

What is it that’s “wrong” with the B-52 that it’s service life couldn’t be extended indefinitely?

If the airframes are old, couldn’t they be reproduced? I mean, this is 50 year old tech put together with 50 year old processes. Surely these components could be made today just as easily as they were in the last century.

Or is it the design that’s inadequate somehow? Why can’t it be tweaked rather than replaced with a $multi-billion new model that would be unproven and likely over budget?

It’s already been refitted with revised engines (multiple times, IIRC), so presumably that could continue to happen as engine tech evolves.

It just seems to me we have a proven, working platform that has managed to adapt nicely over the years. Aircrews and pilots are familiar with it, training program is established, spare parts are in inventory. I like new planes as much as the next person, but it seems the B-52 has proven itself as effective at what she does.

Or maybe we no longer need a bomber that does what the B-52 can do?


17 posted on 05/16/2012 5:48:06 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: chrisser

There’s nothing wrong with it as long as they are safe.

The airframes are very old...


18 posted on 05/16/2012 5:51:14 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: TSgt

Yep - hell of an aircraft. To look at it, one has to wonder what has made it so durable as to last this long. Under a full load, the wing tips flex over 20’ from resting on the wheel struts to airborne. Freakin’ amazing.


19 posted on 05/16/2012 5:51:31 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: TSgt

“.........a round of upgrades that will help both the airmen inside each one and also the top-level commanders moving them around on their maps. Even if that commander’s suit is a darker shade of blue:.......”

What’s this “darker shade of blue” crap? U.N.?

Planning today should be excluding the U.N., NOT including the potential of. Think Positive.


20 posted on 05/16/2012 5:52:01 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: chrisser

The problem is tooling. They can upgrade/fix the existing airframes with on hand equipment.

To “re-produce” a B52 Boeing would have to make all new tools. The line has been closed for years.


21 posted on 05/16/2012 6:09:21 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: ILS21R
Nice photoshop. B-52 is big, but not quite that big.

Wingspan is 185 ft. Beam of a Nimitz class carrier is 252 ft. That makes the B-52 in the picture about 30% oversize. :)
22 posted on 05/16/2012 6:19:47 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: rockinqsranch

Nothing to do with UN. Has to do with “low observability” paint jobs.
Think “Air Superiority Blue” back when the F-15 was first introduced.


23 posted on 05/16/2012 6:24:39 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: rockinqsranch
What’s this “darker shade of blue” crap? U.N.?

Not "UN".

"USN".

One little letter makes a HUGE difference.

See my screen-name for another example. ;'}

24 posted on 05/16/2012 6:32:27 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ILS21R; lightman; SF_Redux

WOW; just WOW!!

Is that Photoshopped or is that real? How does it take-off from that short a platform?

Awwww, it’s PS’d, isn’t it?


25 posted on 05/16/2012 6:42:16 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Wildbill22

Magnificent!


26 posted on 05/16/2012 6:44:06 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

I’ve read that too, especially about the Schweinfurt raids. It turned out that the ball-bearing machinery was very sturdy and hard to kill without a direct hit. I’ve also heard that a single Strike Eagle with PGMs could do far more damage than a whole squadron of B-17s, since each bomb would be a direct or near-direct hit, instead of dozens or even hundreds of yards away. Direct hits from carpet bombing were more of an accident than a fact.


27 posted on 05/16/2012 7:34:58 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: TSgt

BUFS were one of the few aircraft that made our P-3s look like TIFS.


28 posted on 05/16/2012 7:40:12 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: FlyVet

After WW II we determined that Allied bombing directly hit the target 6% of the time.


29 posted on 05/16/2012 7:42:22 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice
After WW II we determined that Allied bombing directly hit the target 6% of the time.

The 8th Air Force's bombers primary job in WWII was to draw out the Luftwaffe and to engaged them in high altitude combat. The bombing was a decoy and hitting a target was of secondary importance. Destroying enemy aircraft was job #1.

30 posted on 05/16/2012 7:45:39 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: djf

I was driving home from the Sierras to the bay area, i.e. crossing the central valley, just coming out of the foothills - and a B52 flew across in front of me at maybe 200 feet. Wow!


31 posted on 05/16/2012 8:14:19 AM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: rbg81

When I was with the 301st TFW at Carswell AFB in Ft. Worth, TX. I was on the runway arming crew for our birds
F-4DS)> That day they had a full ORI and flushed all of their birds(52s)I was less the 75 yards from from runway. Talk about an experience...my ears still hurt to this day.The only thing better in my life was a backseat ride in an F-105 on a live bombing run at Ft.Hood and an F-4 backseat ride to Meridian, MS.Good memories for life.


32 posted on 05/16/2012 8:57:38 AM PDT by VF-51vnv
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To: Little Ray

“Nothing to do with UN. Has to do with “low observability” paint jobs......”

Oh, OK! I came from the ground pounder Olive Drab crowd. Don’t know about that blue stuff ;)


33 posted on 05/16/2012 10:13:22 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch

I don’t think its a ground pounder thing - I’m ex-army. Its more of a modeler thing. I used to build models long, long ago.


34 posted on 05/16/2012 11:42:39 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: TSgt

B-52s with their bays full of:
antimissile drones
‘Wild weasel’ drones
anti-personnel claymore drones
and providing commo links to operators near the battlefield.

The Navy could provide a carrier group to fill in the spaces, but the Army would be reduced to just providing the brooms (until the political idiots go for ‘nation building’ occupation).


35 posted on 05/16/2012 12:06:05 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: RC one
Not to be a nit picker, but the word is "ordnance". An ordinance is some law/regulation or such crap.

Saw the aftermath of Arc Light strikes from helos many times. Lots of splinters. Only heard one once at somewhat close range. Insane long drawn out crackling of detonations. Being close would involve bowel control issues. hell, rocket attacks were bad enough. Hard to describe the feeling of helplessness.

36 posted on 05/16/2012 2:11:13 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Kenny Bunk
Targets are the objective, not really terror.

domination and consequent subjugation is the objective. The military is a sledge hammer, not a scalpel. I understand the need for scalpels but some folks just don't seem to understand the need for sledgehammers. You claim our dumb bombs were wasteful during WW2 yet we walked away triumphant. Look at our track record since we started relying on PGMs. It's appalling. Our "victories" are victories in name only.

37 posted on 05/16/2012 8:55:43 PM PDT by RC one (all y'all had to do was vote for Newt but noooooo, he wasn't good enough.)
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