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Kodak confirms it had weapons-grade uranium in underground lab
CNN ^ | Wed May 16, 2012 | Dugald McConnell and Brian Todd

Posted on 05/16/2012 7:40:05 AM PDT by Abathar

-- Kodak -- the company known for decades for its cameras and film -- this week confirmed it used weapons-grade uranium in an underground lab in upstate New York for upwards of 30 years.

A company spokesman and a former scientist for the firm say there was not enough material to sustain a nuclear chain reaction.

Former Kodak researcher Albert Filo said the uranium was alloyed with aluminum in plates sealed in sleeves that were not moved for three decades. The amount of fuel was about 3½ pounds, which experts say is less than one-tenth of the amount necessary to make a crude nuclear device.

The alloyed material "could not be readily converted to make a nuclear weapon," said Eastman Kodak spokesman Christopher Veronda. "Disassembling the device and removing these plates was a process that took highly trained experts more than a day to perform."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: kodak; miltech; nuclearweapons; uranium
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3-1/2 lbs of weapons grade uranium might not be enough for a nuclear device, but it sure as hell is enough for one nasty dirty bomb, Kodak's uranium was enriched to 93.4%.
1 posted on 05/16/2012 7:40:08 AM PDT by Abathar
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But for more than 30 years, the company had a device called a californium neutron flux multiplier, or CFX, ... Its purpose was to create a beam of neutrons to use for scanning and testing other materials. The device's primary source of neutron radiation was the radioactive element californium, but the stream of neutrons produced by the californium was multiplied by passing it through a lattice of highly enriched uranium U-235, whose nuclear fission released additional neutrons.
2 posted on 05/16/2012 7:48:36 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I canĀ’t be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Abathar
Kodak did some extremely valuable work for the United States Government back in the cold war for which they accepted almost no (cash) payment. This work was very very classified at the time.

This HEU could be related to that.

3 posted on 05/16/2012 7:49:50 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Abathar

the secret ingredient in Kodachrome revealed...


4 posted on 05/16/2012 7:55:59 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Abathar

If you’re looking at making a big mess, there was plenty of chemicals at Kodak to do so. One mis- (or well-) placed spark could have blown out much of the area. Abusing that reactor for such purposes would have taken far more effort than other methods producing the same results.

Just 2 blocks from that reactor, a gasoline tanker tipped over, ignited, and destroyed an entire city block. Why is peoples’ worry about one small reactor in a locked basement of a secured building orders of magnitude more intense than their worry about such trucks which drive by that same building dozens of times a day?


5 posted on 05/16/2012 7:56:20 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: Abathar

I would be perfectly comfortable living next door to this Koday facility. No worries at all. If I were a liberal, I would be hysterical about now and probably need oxygen. hahaha


6 posted on 05/16/2012 7:57:37 AM PDT by Arcy ("I want to know how God created this world." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Abathar
At the Westinghouse pavilion in the ‘64 World's Fair in NYC, controlled nuclear fission demonstrations were carried out several times each day....FLASH BANG! They kept a running count of success/failure
7 posted on 05/16/2012 8:02:45 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: ctdonath2

True, but as far as terrorists are concerned a nasty dirty bomb would be 100 times more effective than a tanker explosion the next day.


8 posted on 05/16/2012 8:03:29 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Abathar

“Kodak’s uranium was enriched to 93.4%. “

It may have been mostly 235, but it was highly diluted in aluminum. This was done to avoid criticality issues. Any danger is in the mind of a “journalist”.


9 posted on 05/16/2012 8:03:51 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Abathar
Kodak turned the material over to the government in 2007, under heavy security.

Left-wing loons agitating in 2012.

10 posted on 05/16/2012 8:05:35 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Kodak turned the material over to the government in 2007, under heavy security.

Bush's fault! Thank goodness Obama is here now, so that his Liberal helpers in the press can help us panic over nothing.

11 posted on 05/16/2012 8:10:04 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Like Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin has become simply a stick with which to beat Whites.)
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To: Arcy

So would I, but nothing will instill panic in people like a news headline stating that Kodak was broken into on Christmas day and the thieves successfully made off with several pounds of enriched uranium.

All they would have to do with it is nothing, bury it and walk away leaving everyone guessing what it was going to be used for.
Let the MSM panic the sheeple into all kinds of new restrictions over it.

A terrorists wet dream.


12 posted on 05/16/2012 8:10:23 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Roccus

Ooops.....that was the GE pavilion.


13 posted on 05/16/2012 8:12:31 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: DBrow
It may have been mostly 235, but it was highly diluted in aluminum. This was done to avoid criticality issues. Any danger is in the mind of a “journalist”.

But separating U235 from the aluminum is far, far easier than separating it from U238.

If they just had some more, the original battle between Kodak and Fuji could have turned out far differently. And no one would have dared cross Kodak after that.

14 posted on 05/16/2012 8:14:34 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: DBrow

I was thinking about that too, but aluminum has such a low melting point that separating the two would be pretty easy, wouldn’t it? Just thinking technically is all, those two having such different density I bet they would look like oil and water in a kiln.


15 posted on 05/16/2012 8:15:43 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: KarlInOhio

lol, “Damn Yankees and their uranium!”


16 posted on 05/16/2012 8:17:32 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: KarlInOhio
"If they just had some more, the original battle between Kodak and Fuji could have turned out far differently. And no one would have dared cross Kodak after that"

Thanks for that. I needed a good chuckle this morning.
17 posted on 05/16/2012 8:23:09 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: Abathar; Tijeras_Slim

The alloy is more like a solution. Dissolving the Al in KOH gives you an aqueous solution that you could then maybe precipitate out the U.

I wonder if it’s an alloy, or clad plates? A Fast Burst Reactor uses highly enriched fuel, in plates, clad with aluminum. An FBR is set up to get super-prompt criticality with a limit on maximum rate, so it can’t go Trinity on you.

Did Kodak have an FBR or some similar device?

https://share.sandia.gov/news/resources/releases/2007/reactor.html

The link has a pic of SPR II with the safety shield off showing al-clad U235 plates.


18 posted on 05/16/2012 8:24:04 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Abathar
I was thinking about that too, but aluminum has such a low melting point that separating the two would be pretty easy, wouldn’t it? Just thinking technically is all, those two having such different density I bet they would look like oil and water in a kiln.

Melting point of aluminum: 660°C
Melting point of uranium: 1135°C

Would probably look more like oil and rock salt.

I wonder how they made an alloy out of two such dissimilar metals.

19 posted on 05/16/2012 8:28:21 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: DBrow

Alas SPR is no more.


20 posted on 05/16/2012 8:29:22 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Steely Tom
Kodak did some extremely valuable work for the United States Government back in the cold war for which they accepted almost no (cash) payment. This work was very very classified at the time. This HEU could be related to that.

Yep - back in the mid-late '60s, my Dad designed a perimiter laser intrusion system for a super secret building that was built inside another building. No clue what it was for except is was for governmment work.

21 posted on 05/16/2012 8:32:23 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

ha! Wonder why this surfaces now?


22 posted on 05/16/2012 8:36:32 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: trebb

Many interesting things were going on back then.


23 posted on 05/16/2012 8:36:54 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

And APRF along with it. Now we have just WSMR.

Know anything about Kodak’s gadget?


24 posted on 05/16/2012 8:40:54 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Abathar

“True, but as far as terrorists are concerned a nasty dirty bomb would be 100 times more effective than a tanker explosion the next day.”

Which shows what they know.

1. Remove clothing and put in wash. Start washing machine.
2. Take shower
3. Put clothes in dryer. Turn on.
4. Schedule doctor’s visit for iodine and check up.
5. Dress.
6. Go out to dinner.


25 posted on 05/16/2012 8:41:28 AM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: Steely Tom

You can’t melt apart an alloy. Copper melts at 1084, tin at 230, but when brass melts at 930, you don’t get liquid tin with chunks of copper in it.


26 posted on 05/16/2012 8:44:59 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow

Nope, it was news to me. ACRR is still going over in area V.


27 posted on 05/16/2012 8:48:36 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Abathar
Dirty Bombs Revisited: Combating the Hype
28 posted on 05/16/2012 8:51:23 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? Seriously? You're that dense?)
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To: KarlInOhio; DBrow
But separating U235 from the aluminum is far, far easier than separating it from U238.

you are correct but separating the Uranium from the Aluminum is the easy part.

The hard part is stealing the devise without dying from radiation poisoning.

Although this devise is not technically a reactor it is still performing its function by the process of nuclear fission. The Californium produces neutrons that strikes the U235 that fissions and produces more neutrons. By fission the U235 produces highly radioactive daughter products.

What the article does not mention about the expert technicians dismantling of the devise is that it would be necessary to use special tools that would permit the technicians to remain at a distance from the devise to avoid lethal doses of radiation.

If terrorist could steal this devise without killing themselves they would then need special factories to then not only separate the U235 from the Aluminum they would also have to separate the U235 from all of the highly radioactive daughter isotopes and do it safely so as not to kill themselves in the process.

None of this is easy and requires a very special set of skills that your average terrorist does not pick up at the suicide bomb school.

29 posted on 05/16/2012 8:51:30 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Abathar
“— Kodak — the company known for decades for its cameras and film — this week confirmed it used weapons-grade uranium in an underground lab “

They should have developed a first strike capability. They could have taken care of the digital photography threat to their existence in a proper way; back when it was possible.

30 posted on 05/16/2012 8:52:09 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (We are the 53%. 47% of Americans pay no taxes; end the free ride...)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Did you know there is a diamond in the pool? Someone was irradiating gemstones in N GIF as a piggyback, and someone dropped a diamond in the pool when it fell off the ledge. The rock shop near SNLA, Southwestern Minerals, would get business whenever we were in town for GIF.

No volunteers to get it.


31 posted on 05/16/2012 8:53:12 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow

Have you seen the new GIF? The old one looked like something on the set of Alien. The new one is a fantastic facility.

http://www.sandia.gov/media/NewsRel/NR2001/newgif.htm


32 posted on 05/16/2012 8:56:59 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Steely Tom

The work was done by scientists an engineers from what is now Eastman Chemical Co in Kingsport Tn at the Y-12 plant in Oak Ridge.

There is a really good PBS special titled Y 12 tht details the work and the fantastic transformation of farmland into a mega secret facility for enriching uranium.

Today we will visit the museum at Alamogordo NM where the fruit of that effort resulted in the atomic bomb test


33 posted on 05/16/2012 8:58:01 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: ctdonath2

and of course every rochesterian recalls the cancer cluster across the street - I think it was Rand St


34 posted on 05/16/2012 9:04:04 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (How many 100's of 1000's of our servicemen died so we would never bow to a king?" -freeper pnh102)
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To: DBrow
You can’t melt apart an alloy. Copper melts at 1084, tin at 230, but when brass melts at 930, you don’t get liquid tin with chunks of copper in it.

Thanks, I didn't know that.

(you might mean bronze, though.)

35 posted on 05/16/2012 9:09:15 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Abathar
Kodak confirms it had weapons-grade uranium in underground lab

This supports my theory that Kodak was planning a nuclear strike against Polaroid.

36 posted on 05/16/2012 9:10:17 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: ctdonath2

Long term effects of a single tanker truck explosion versus a dirty bomb are on different scales.

I’m not saying what was in kodak’s locked basment building was posing a danger. But a burning gas blaze from a truck is not the same thing as a disaster that can happen with weapons grade uranium.


37 posted on 05/16/2012 9:23:08 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Abathar

No, U-235 is not good for a dirty bomb. Its half-life is something like 700 million years. Remember that a substance which is not radioactive has a half-life of infinity, The U-235 decay rate just isn’t sufficient to be a threat. I’d hold 3-1/2 pounds of U-235 in my bare hand all day long, if you want me to.


38 posted on 05/16/2012 9:23:30 AM PDT by bagman
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To: buffaloguy

Why do you need iodine? The purpose of taking potassium iodide pills is to block the uptake of radioactive isotopes of iodine so that they won’t be concentrated in the thyroid. Potassium iodide pills will have no effect on the uptake of uranium.


39 posted on 05/16/2012 9:28:39 AM PDT by bagman
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To: Steely Tom

Tin, zinc, whatever (yup I goofed).


40 posted on 05/16/2012 9:46:42 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow

You might have goofed on a detail, but your larger lesson was valid. Again I thank you for that.


41 posted on 05/16/2012 9:50:13 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Steely Tom
Kodak did some extremely valuable work for the United States Government back in the cold war for which they accepted almost no (cash) payment. This work was very very classified at the time. This HEU could be related to that.

Thanks - that's the obvious missing puzzle piece... Good for Kodak.

42 posted on 05/16/2012 9:55:22 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: GOPJ; bert
Thanks - that's the obvious missing puzzle piece... Good for Kodak.

Well... in fairness, freeper bert has a better explanation, given above in post #33. Kodak actually ran the Y-12 plant in Oak Ridge TN. The Y-12 plant was the "electromagnetic separation" plant, in which gigantic mass spectrometers were used to separate the U-235 isotope from uranium that had been semi-enriched by other means (principally gaseous diffusion). The product of Y-12 was weapons-grade U-235.

Thus Kodak had the stuff because they made it themselves.

The secret matters to which I alluded may have had something to do with Kodak being allowed to keep the stuff, but that's pure speculation of course.

43 posted on 05/16/2012 10:05:07 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Steely Tom; All

From reading the article, it looks like neutron radiography. That would be a connection between neutrons and film.

Sandia did neutron radiography at ACRR, but with thermals. The Cf-U system would be with fast neutrons, unless they had B-poly in the path.


44 posted on 05/16/2012 10:08:07 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Secret Agent Man

That block was a mess for quite some time - about as long as it would take for hazmat crews to remove contaminated materials.

I’m not trying to minimize the issue, but people do have an overblown OMGWTFBBQ reaction to “uranium” and “dirty bomb” etc. Yeah it’d be a mess and expensive to clean up - which it would be in fairly short order.


45 posted on 05/16/2012 10:29:43 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: Secret Agent Man

See #38. Abusing Kodak’s U23* materials would have, shall we say, disappointing results.

IIRC, the bigger problem would be the chemical consequences of igniting the stuff.


46 posted on 05/16/2012 10:32:00 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: Steely Tom

:)


47 posted on 05/16/2012 2:28:46 PM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: Abathar

Bet that would have made for a pretty good flash bulb.


48 posted on 05/16/2012 2:30:05 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Abathar

Perhaps they were working on airborne imaging technologies that could detect weaponizable radioisotopes?

If so, its sad to see them where they are today. I know they did it to themselves, but nonetheless.


49 posted on 05/16/2012 2:36:58 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: Steely Tom; GOPJ

The Kodak operations at Y 12 were run with staff out of their Tennessee Eastman facility in Kingsport. Today’s Eastman Chemical was spun away from Kodak back around 1992 I believe.

They also provided major scientific and engineering support to the Holston Army Ammunition plant in Kingsport that is run today by BAE systems.

That still doesn’t tell the story of how they got the enriched uranium. The TV program on Y 12 goes to great length to explain how the facility evolved away from enrichment to very sophisticated problem solving. I would guess the alloying was done at Y 12 by the operating contractor at the time and sold to Kodak in Rochester. The contractor for many years has been Union Carbide but I am not sure they presently hold the contract.


50 posted on 05/16/2012 4:40:46 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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