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Romney Presses Obama On Debt With Aid Of Prop Clock (Very effective stagecraft)
MSNBC ^ | Wednesday, May 16, 2012 | Garrett Haake

Posted on 05/16/2012 9:25:03 AM PDT by kristinn

ST. PETERSBURG, FL -- Mitt Romney continued to drive a debt-oriented message here on Wednesday morning, extending his "prairie fire" of debt metaphor with the assistance of a prop.

In a nod to the independent voters who pushed the Sunshine State into the Democratic column in 2008, Romney noted that both parties were responsible for pushing the debt to the "incomprehensible" levels – which were represented on a giant prop debt clock behind him.

"There was another area during [President Obama's] campaign, he said he would focus on. You see, he was very critical of his predecessor for the debts his predecessor put in place. And sure it's true you can't blame one party or the other for all the debts this country has, because both parties in my opinion have spent too much and borrowed too much when they were in power," Romney said in this key swing state.

(Interestingly, Romney danced around the actual name of that predecessor, George W. Bush, who on Tuesday endorsed the former Massachusetts Governor when asked a question by an ABC News reporter.)

"[President Obama] was very critical of his predecessor because the predecessor put together $4 trillion of debt over eight years," Romney continued. "This president however - oh by the way, he said that doing that was unpatriotic, irresponsible and unpatriotic. And he said he would cut the debt in half if he became president. Instead he doubled it, alright, he doubled it."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: mittromney; nationaldebt; obama; romney
I saw a video clip of this earlier. Seeing the national debt rocketing ever higher while the candidate is speaking is very effective. Whether Romney is sincere is another matter...
1 posted on 05/16/2012 9:25:03 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

It’s about time. This clock should be at every speaking opportunity for Romney. I would go so far as to say I would not debate Obama unless this clock is behind them both. The truth hurts doesn’t it!!


2 posted on 05/16/2012 9:29:42 AM PDT by timlilje
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To: kristinn

“...Whether Romney is sincere is another matter... “

He isn’t.

He doesn’t know the meaning of sincere.

The only diff between RINOmney and the Obamaloon is that RINOmney at least has a measurable IQ.


3 posted on 05/16/2012 9:31:44 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: kristinn

Very effective. Romney appears to be a much better candidate than McCain - at least so far. Without Palin on the ticket, McCain probably wouldn’t even have been competitive at all.


4 posted on 05/16/2012 9:32:07 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: kristinn

Will Willard play as dirty with The Won as he’s done with his Republican primary rivals. This will be interesting to watch.


5 posted on 05/16/2012 9:34:14 AM PDT by WilliamRobert (Ted Cruz Texas' true conservative)
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To: timlilje

Mitt Romney, who'll likely receive the GOP presidential nomination three months from now in Tampa, spoke to supporters in St. Petersburg today and took several shots at President Obama. (Photo BayNews9)
6 posted on 05/16/2012 9:34:58 AM PDT by kristinn (Dump the Chump in 2012)
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To: kristinn
Romney is a politician, so even if he isn't sincere on this issue, he's tied himself to it anyway politically, which is almost as good. Reversing course would kill him politically

For all Romney's flaws on some issues, I do believe him on the debt. Governors all have to contend with balancing budgets.

I know this is complete heresy, but I would be willing to let at least part of the Bush tax cuts expire IF it was tied to major entitlement reform. We're not going to have 60 conservative votes in the Senate for major entitletment reform standing alone, and so will need to peel away some Dems. To do that, we're going to have to give up something, and I'd give up a bit on tax rates if we got major entitlement reform locked down. Cuts in domestic discretionary spending won't do it because they'll never happen.

Actually, I'd prefer to see comprehensive tax reform including a flat rate, single large deduction, etc., but that's probably expecting too much right now.

7 posted on 05/16/2012 9:36:26 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: kristinn

He was very smart to use a digital clock.

Our public schools quit teaching how to tell time in the early 1980’s.


8 posted on 05/16/2012 9:44:10 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: kristinn

Still not scarry enough. Need to show voters the worst case scnerio if we don’t solve this problem right now.


9 posted on 05/16/2012 9:44:43 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

It won’t happen though...entitlement reform will be done for 10 years out so the next politician will just reverse course. And that’s the problem. We need to starve them from money. The debt ceiling is a great way to stop this crap. Just force their hand. Rip the Band-Aid off and fix it. Yes it will hurt but it’s better to hurt now and get it over with vs. a slow painful death.


10 posted on 05/16/2012 9:45:08 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Da Coyote

What scares me about Romney is that I see him as a “competent” Obama.


11 posted on 05/16/2012 9:50:16 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: kristinn

Anyone know if we will hit the new debt ceiling BEFORE or AFTER election day? Have we seen any refined predictions..


12 posted on 05/16/2012 9:51:51 AM PDT by ken5050 (FRACK Obama!!!)
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To: Longbow1969

I’m on a liberal site right now arguing what I expect this go round. I make it clear that I will not vote for Romney nor obama, but Romney is a pit bull that will not give Obama a free pass as McCain did.

I mentioned that Romney has been pretty well vetted in the primary process, and that Obama’s vetting by an opponent is just beginning, and he may want to review what happened to Cain to get a glimpse of the future.


13 posted on 05/16/2012 9:52:06 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
We simply must elect true conservatives (read Tea Party or the like) to Congress so that there is a strong conservative majority in the house and the senate. Romney is tieing himself to strong campaign commitments on all of the major conservative issues. He will only go back on them if he thinks it is politically expeident for his to do so. we have to make sure that it is not.

With a strong no-nonsense, no-waivering Congress he will be forced politically to keep those promises...and I believe he will. He knows that if he can work with them to engineer a turn around, he will be a shoe-in for four more years as president.

He was certainly not my idea of a GOP candidate this cycle...I was for Palin, Cain, Santorum and then Newt. But he is going to win and is what we have to do battle against the Kenyan Marxist, Obama who is purposefully destroyoing the nation.

For these reasons, I have indicated, that once he actually wins the GOP nomination, here's why I will support Romney to defeat Obama.

14 posted on 05/16/2012 9:52:26 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
There were no Bush Tax Cuts. There were Bush Tax RATE Cuts that applied to all Tax Brackets.

The Bush Tax Rate Cuts expanded Economic Activity and resulted in a 35% Increase in Overall Federal Tax Revenues.
(Approximately $1.75 Trillion in 2003 to $2.5 Trillion in 2007)

The Left has succeeded in making a negative out of a positive and most people buy the premise that Tax (Rate) Cuts mean less Tax Revenue.

Another result of the Bush Tax (Rate) Cuts is that the Evil Rich paid a larger percentage of the overall Federal Tax Burden than before. If you listened to the Media and the Democrats, you would think the opposite was true.

15 posted on 05/16/2012 9:52:47 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: ken5050
We already have reached the Debt Limit. Creative Accounting will insure that the so called Limit will be reached in October. Count on it.
16 posted on 05/16/2012 9:55:34 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: kristinn
The thing I admire about Romney is that he is a fighter.

Romney is fighting the Obama destruction of our Nation, and I am grateful for that.

McCain NEVER fought Obama on ANYTHING, to include Obama's obvious and true hatred for this Nation.

17 posted on 05/16/2012 10:00:02 AM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them)
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To: DManA
Still not scarry enough. Need to show voters the worst case scnerio if we don’t solve this problem right now

Using the worst case scenario to scare off people is the easiest way to be rebutted. The MSM can easily find the 'evidence' that such scenario is less likely to happen, and right away it will undermine the credibility of the argument. Using the 'medium' scenario is scary enough, and might not be easy to argue against.

18 posted on 05/16/2012 10:00:22 AM PDT by paudio (no tagline for now...)
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To: timlilje

Romney brings a debt clock to every event, while Obama brings his teleprompter. I like it......


19 posted on 05/16/2012 10:01:42 AM PDT by GotMojo
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

I agree with pretty much all you said except without a truly enforceable pay go system going forward as well as a requirement for a balanced budget like most states have, the Dems will spend every bit of a tax increase as well as any savings from a reduction in entitlement programs. Any benefits of hard decisions made by Republicans in power will eventually be squandered by the evil Democrat children in Congress the next cycle they are in power unless they are handcuffed with enforceable balanced budget legislation


20 posted on 05/16/2012 10:06:04 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: kristinn

Whether Romney is sincere is another matter...

Someone needs to regularly coach him on faking sincerity, being principled and conservatism.


21 posted on 05/16/2012 10:06:39 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: cuban leaf
I’m on a liberal site right now arguing what I expect this go round. I make it clear that I will not vote for Romney nor obama, but Romney is a pit bull that will not give Obama a free pass as McCain did.

I agree with your assessment. Romney will do whatever is necessary to win. His biggest problem was probably just getting through a GOP primary. As a national general election candidate, I expect Mitt to do anything and everything to defeat Obama. He is not going to give Hussein a free pass the way the McCain campaign did.

22 posted on 05/16/2012 10:08:44 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: kristinn
Whether Romney is sincere is another matter...

He isn't. We know it, he knows we know it, and we know he knows we know it.

If he's smart, he won't be campaigning on being Mitt Romney, but on being not-Obama.

23 posted on 05/16/2012 10:15:33 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: kristinn

Mitt, if you're going to stage an audience of supporters around a prop, you need to put the black faces closer to you or the media will simply crop them out and make you look like you are only supported by old white people.

Media staging 101.

24 posted on 05/16/2012 10:15:37 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: OrangeHoof

“Mitt, if you’re going to stage an audience of supporters around a prop, you need to put the black faces closer to you or the media will simply crop them out and make you look like you are only supported by old white people. “

Good advise.Maybe Mitt can save a few campaign bucks by photoshopping the carefully staged Obama audiences for his background next time.


25 posted on 05/16/2012 10:21:23 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: Longbow1969
Romney appears to be a much better candidate than McCain

How to Act Human: Advice for Mitt Romney

"my advice to Mr. Romney is this: Since the evidence indicates that you lack the skills to simulate what you're not, you should stick to typecasting and go with what you’ve got and who you are. It’s not just your best option, sir, it’s your only one.

26 posted on 05/16/2012 10:25:25 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: paudio

I disagree with the consensus that the clock is effective. Jut numbers to most voters. You have to you have to make it meaningful to them by showing what it will do to their lives if we don’t take our fical situation seriously.

If big media rebuts it great. Starts the conversation. At least we aren’t talking about dog, bullys and contraceptives.


27 posted on 05/16/2012 11:22:29 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I had to figure out how to use an analog watch/clock myself, including phrases like “half passed, 25 to, quarter passed, quarter to.” My public education in the NYC system was uh... fairly poor, to say the least.


28 posted on 05/16/2012 11:23:57 AM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: WilliamRobert
"Will Willard play as dirty with The Won as he’s done with his Republican primary rivals. This will be interesting to watch."

I don't at all care for Romney, but he's got some dirty b@$tards working for him including Rove. They are really going to go after Obama (unlike McCain's who played footsie with Zero). Look what Mitten's staff did to Cain, Gingrich, etc.
29 posted on 05/16/2012 11:26:38 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: Longbow1969

I think Romney would have beat Obama in 2008 esp with the economy crisis we had, but more importantly from the debating stand point. McCain was terrible.


30 posted on 05/16/2012 12:33:39 PM PDT by nikos1121
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To: cuban leaf
Romney has been pretty well vetted in the primary process...

Not enough to my liking. The other contenders for the nomination should have hammered his dismal liberal governing record in Massachusetts mercilessly, but none of them ever did. At least not to the level they should have.

31 posted on 05/16/2012 12:36:20 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: nikos1121

I agree with your post.

We had three years where Bush was basically getting pounded by the MSM nonstop without much pushback.
Then “gentleman” McLame comes to a gunfight with the Chicago mob and brings a bb rifle.

The Clintons were apparantly afraid to use their vaunted private detective force on Obama because the Chicago mob had incriminating evidence on them - Vince Foster maybe?

I’m not a Romney fan but I believe he will have an effective campaign against Baraq and just maybe a Mormon dirty tricks squad that makes Axlegrease and Plouffe look like grade schoolers.


32 posted on 05/16/2012 12:40:30 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Longbow1969
Romney appears to be a much better candidate than McCain - at least so far.

This is what I've thought all along. McCain was so incredibly inept as a candidate--worse than Dole, if that's possible. When Romney is on his game, he can be very effective politically.

33 posted on 05/16/2012 12:41:18 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Constitutional and social conservative Republican who wants to win)
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To: nascarnation

No way he will pick Sarah as his running mate. Looks more and more like it will be Ryan.


34 posted on 05/16/2012 12:43:36 PM PDT by nikos1121
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To: WilliamRobert

“Will Willard play as dirty with The Won as he’s done with his Republican primary rivals. This will be interesting to watch.”

I expect he will. His overall management, planning, strategy, tactics, execution, funding and judgement reflect why he’s getting the nomination, and the others are not.


35 posted on 05/16/2012 12:57:20 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: nikos1121

I have no idea who he will choose, but it is hard to see the argument for Ryan. Marco Rubio or Susana Martinez would be my choice.


36 posted on 05/16/2012 2:00:22 PM PDT by olrtex
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To: Jeff Head

Exactly!


37 posted on 05/16/2012 3:24:49 PM PDT by NE Cons (Was a Hard-Core Perry supporter. Now Hard-Core ABO)
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To: Prole
You know, I agree wih you.

Romney is going to give as good, if not better than he gets...and he's pretty smart about it too.

McCain should have turned Sarah loose on Obama and all of his lies...but he did not. Instead they effectively muzzled her.

W should have stood up to the liberal/progressives as well. For two long years they dissed and trashed the man endlessly...then the libs crashed the economy (and make no mistake, they and their policies were responsible and Obama was in the middle of it).

But W did not and all the independents and RINOs and moderates were left to believe that a lot of the lies were true.

Romney will not have that problem. He will fight back and is already doing so.

Despite his past record, he is running on strong conervative stances now, and if we put in a Tea Party oriented majpority in the House and Senate, he will strand by them because he will know if he does, that a turn around will ensrue him a second four years and he will do it.

I pray God it is so, that we can get Obama out of the White House, have a Reagan-style turn around and begin to turn the nation back towards its roots.

AMERICA AT THE CROSSROADS OF HISTORY

38 posted on 05/16/2012 3:34:59 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

BUMP


39 posted on 05/16/2012 3:53:13 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: kristinn

Romney should go to a delivery room and get filmed in front of babies explaining to them how their currency was destroyed and how they’re saddled with debt.


40 posted on 05/16/2012 5:23:50 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Entitlement Reform Proposal

Eliminate all federal welfare programs and their bureaucracies. More than 70% of the budget never gets to the reciever anyway.

Replace it with a single monthly cash grant to the poor of about say, $2000 a month. States can supplement this if they think its necessary. If you waste the money on something besides feeding or housing yourself, too freaking bad. Learn the lessons the hard way.

The entitlement state has grown so large and expensive (the vast majority of that cost is bureaucracy) that even a guaranteed minimum income would have been cheaper. How crazy is that?

The Democrats would HATE it of course, but politically this would sure sound good to their poor voters. It would also save a ton of dollars for the taxpayers.

If Romney and the GOP actually proposed something like this, I think I could consider voting for them.


41 posted on 05/16/2012 5:46:08 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: ken5050

Bonehead has proven that the debt ceiling is a scam


42 posted on 05/16/2012 5:47:49 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: chuckee

Why bother passing “balanced budget legislation”, if they can do that they just pass a balanced budget instead.

California has a new balanced budget amendment but it doesn’t mean anything.

Passing these things is meaningless if they don’t want to follow it, if they really wanted a balanced budget such legislation is also moot because they’d just pass one.


43 posted on 05/16/2012 5:57:06 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Charles Henrickson

didn’t McCain say we had nothing to fear from Obama? That Obama was a good man and will be a good President??

He basically endorsed the guy weeks before the election!!


44 posted on 05/16/2012 6:00:01 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: 1010RD

A video of Romney explaining the debt to a newborn would be like Dukakis in the tank or Quayle at the chalkboard.


45 posted on 05/16/2012 6:01:19 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

Well, the way I’m picturing it would work with women, be cute and provocative. JK, the more I think about it the sillier the idea becomes, but maybe...


46 posted on 05/17/2012 6:04:59 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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