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Clyburn seeks 'national policy' legalizing same-sex marriage
msnbc.com ^ | Tom Curry

Posted on 05/16/2012 9:26:17 AM PDT by txrangerette

Rep. James Clyburn, the House Democrat's third-ranking leader, said on MSNBC's Daily Rundown Monday that the question of legal recognition of marriage between same-sex couples should not be left to state laws, but instead ought to be decided at the national level, a position that puts him at odds with President Barack Obama.

Clyburn told NBC's Chuck Todd, "If we consider this to be a civil right, and I do, I don't think civil rights ought to be left up to a state-by-state approach. I think we should have a national policy on this."

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; 112th; clyburn; doma; gay; homosexualagenda; marriage; obama; samesexmarriage
The article goes on to say that Clyburn appeared to suggest that the national policy should be set by a Supreme Court decision. Simply because practically speaking, how else are you going to enact something like that?

Clyburn, btw, voted for DOMA, as did most Democrats.

In addition, the article quotes Clyburn that he was "indoctrinated" while growing up that the opposite was true, but he has evolved to the point where he believes this is now the right thing to do.

SanFranNan at work?

Clyburn, a third-rate political hack, taking one for the team?

Or, just all in a day's work for your modern Dem party?

1 posted on 05/16/2012 9:26:19 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

ping


2 posted on 05/16/2012 9:27:11 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette

Hmmmm...there’s that word “evolved” again. Funny how that keeps popping up in the Rat talking points ever since Zero came out of the closet.


3 posted on 05/16/2012 9:32:22 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: txrangerette

Someone tell me where in the Constitution does it give the federal government the right to marry people?


4 posted on 05/16/2012 9:34:04 AM PDT by Trueblackman (I would rather lose on Conservative principles than vote for a RINO candidate.)
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To: Trueblackman
Bishop-Governor Romney has shown how this Romney-NewYorkTimes/directive overrules
all constitutions as it did for him.

"Experts: Credit Romney for homosexual marriage"
"What he (Governor Bishop Mitt Romney) did was exercise illegal legislative authority'

"While former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney claims he did everything possible to throttle homosexual marriage in his state – his campaign now saying he took "every conceivable step within the law to defend traditional marriage" – several constitutional experts say that just isn't so.

"What Romney did [was] he exercised illegal legislative authority," Herb Titus said of the governor's actions after the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court released its opinion in the Goodridge case in 2003. "He was bound by what? There was no order. There wasn't even any order to the Department of Public Health to do anything."

Titus, a Harvard law graduate, was founding dean of Pat Robertson's Regent University Law School. He also worked with former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, ...

Romney's aides have told WND that after four of the seven court members reinterpreted the definition of marriage, he believed he had no choice but to direct clerks and others to change state marriage forms and begin registering same-sex couples.

Some opponents contend that with those actions, Romney did no more or less than create the first homosexual marriages recognized in the nation. And Titus agrees."

"....But the court's decision conflicts with the constitutional philosophy of three co-equal branches of government: executive, legislative and judicial, Titus said. It also violates with the Massachusetts Constitution, which states: "The power of suspending the laws, or (suspending) the execution of the laws, ought never to be exercised but by the legislature..."

And it cannot even be derived from the opinion itself, asserts the pro-family activist group Mass Resistance, which says the decision did four things:

* First, it acknowledged that the current law does not permit same-sex marriage.

"The only reasonable explanation is that the Legislature did not intend that same-sex couples be licensed to marry. We conclude, as did the judge, that G.L. c. 207 may not be construed to permit same-sex couples to marry."

* Second, it said it is NOT striking down the marriage laws (among other things, the Massachusetts Constitution forbids a court to change laws)

"Here, no one argues that striking down the marriage laws is an appropriate form of relief."

* Third, it declared that not allowing same-sex marriages is a violation of the Massachusetts Constitution.

"We declare that barring an individual from the protections, benefits, and obligations of civil marriage solely because that person would marry a person of the same sex violates the Massachusetts Constitution."

* And fourth, given that the court is not changing any laws, the SJC gave the Legislature 180 days to "take such action as it may deem appropriate."

"We vacate the summary judgment for the department. We remand this case to the Superior Court for entry of judgment consistent with this opinion. Entry of judgment shall be stayed for 180 days to permit the Legislature to take such action as it may deem appropriate in light of this opinion."

After the Legislature did nothing during the 180 days, Romney then took action "on his own," the group said.

"Gov. Romney's legal counsel issued a directive to the Justices of the Peace that they must perform same-sex marriages when requested or 'face personal liability' or be fired," the group said."

5 posted on 05/16/2012 9:38:47 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: txrangerette

“In addition, the article quotes Clyburn that he was “indoctrinated” while growing up that the opposite was true, but he has evolved to the point where he believes this is now the right thing to do.”

He was “indoctrinated” and “evolved”?

Man has wrong kind of talent, so he should STFU.


6 posted on 05/16/2012 9:41:10 AM PDT by hummingbird (I am Breitbart.)
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To: txrangerette
The article goes on to say that Clyburn appeared to suggest that the national policy should be set by a Supreme Court decision. Simply because practically speaking, how else are you going to enact something like that?

That's what constitutional amendments are for. In the meantime, the amendments we have say it's up to the states, and it doesn't matter that he doesn't like it.

7 posted on 05/16/2012 9:42:01 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Trueblackman

Thanks for the question, Kevin.

The Constitution doesn’t.

The courts have been known to discover in the Constitution a right to something, or a ban on something, such as abortion on demand and no praying in school, any old way they have to in order to reach the Left’s goals.


8 posted on 05/16/2012 9:43:37 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette
Another evil Obama minion
9 posted on 05/16/2012 9:46:17 AM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: txrangerette
I say we bring it up for a national vote so it can get voted down and show how out of step some of these clowns and those states that allow it really are...
10 posted on 05/16/2012 9:48:24 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: txrangerette

Well this should go over like a lead balloon. 32 out of 32 states that put it up for a vote have said NO WAY. RATS cannot be this stupid - can they? IS this just a diversion to keep the American sheeple from the disaterous Zero economic policies? Me thinks so.


11 posted on 05/16/2012 9:48:38 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: tumblindice

Article says he was a minister’s son who was raised to believe the opposite of this.

His family wouldn’t be proud.


12 posted on 05/16/2012 9:49:27 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: tumblindice; All
There is only ONE eason that idiots like Clyburn and other members of the Black caucus are in power..seemingly forever..is the Voting Rights Act.

After we take the WH, the House, and the Senate, we shoudl move to repeal it, immediatgely..Heck they're gonna scream at ANYTHING we propose...might as well get our money's worth..

13 posted on 05/16/2012 9:50:31 AM PDT by ken5050 (FRACK Obama!!!)
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To: Cheerio

The people of those states need to recognize, in the front of their brains, that democRats
WANT TO FORCE THIS ON US.

I always get so frustrated when talking with libinlaws -
I ask them if they agree with some policy that some ‘rat is trying to force on the rest of us,

and their response is “they won’t be able to do that”.

It doesn’t bother them in the least that the ‘rats WANT TO “do that”.


14 posted on 05/16/2012 9:50:48 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ejonesie22

Tell me the mechanism for bringing it up for a national vote, and I’ll be interested.

Short story, the Constitution doesn’t provide for that.

States have the option to have popular vote referendum.

But even where they do, such as in CA, and even when CA voted for traditional marriage, their court struck it down.

That’s why people believe Clyburn is hoping for an eventual Supreme Court decision declaring so called marriage equality the law of the land.


15 posted on 05/16/2012 9:56:35 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: MrB

Excellent point.


16 posted on 05/16/2012 9:59:07 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: ken5050

“If we consider this to be a civil right, and I do, I don’t think civil rights ought to be left up to a state-by-state approach. I think we should have a national policy on this.”

It may be Clyburn’s lips moving but that’s Obama talking.

OK, this ventriloquist is laying the crowd in the aisles, until he makes a joke about Democrats.
Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden and James Clyburn all stand up and begin hooting and heckling, talking about how the Democrats are the `People’s Party,’ that they work hard for the country and ya da ya da ya da ...
The ventriloquist apologizes profusely, points out that it’s just part of his act, that he had a joke later about the GOP and even the TEA party, which everyone except most of the country hates, and Clyburn began jumping up and down and said:
“We ain’t talkin’ to you, white bread!
We talkin’ to that little SOB in your lap.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH5p5iMEbrE&feature=related


17 posted on 05/16/2012 10:06:47 AM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: txrangerette

Oh I am well the Constitution doesn’t allow for it. Has that stopped congress before?


18 posted on 05/16/2012 10:14:09 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: txrangerette

“Clyburn seeks ‘national policy’ legalizing same-sex marriage”

It’s called NO, Captain Slow Lane.


19 posted on 05/16/2012 10:43:53 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (If case you are wondering, I'm STILL supporting Newt.)
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To: txrangerette

There is already a “national policy” on homo marriage. It is called DOMA. And the policy is: it’s illegal.

DOMA needs to be elevated to a constitutional amendment before the poofter mafia strongarms the feds.


20 posted on 05/16/2012 10:49:24 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Diogenesis
Romney is a POS liberal - there is no question about it. Only those in a dream state will not admit to it - they need to hang onto something least their dream turns into a nightmare.

he believed he had no choice but to direct clerks and others to change state marriage forms and begin registering same-sex couples. Some opponents contend that with those actions, Romney did no more or less than create the first homosexual marriages recognized in the nation.

He has no fight in him to do the right thing FOR America - just fight like the devil and lie his way through to gain power now. HOMO ROMO is a NOGO.

21 posted on 05/16/2012 11:49:50 AM PDT by presently no screen name (God First!! VAB: Voting Against Both---> Romney and Obama.)
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To: txrangerette

His family is the least of his problems. He faces a greater wrath and he can’t say he didn’t know but just turned from it.


22 posted on 05/16/2012 11:53:45 AM PDT by presently no screen name (God First!! VAB: Voting Against Both---> Romney and Obama.)
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To: IronJack

Clyburn voted for DOMA.

He’s changed his mind and wants a national policy legalizing same sex marriage.

He’s evolved.


23 posted on 05/16/2012 12:06:16 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette

Clyburn, the same guy also recently said the dems should run on the greatness of Obamacare this year.

I wonder how well that little comment of use about DOMA will play back home...


24 posted on 05/16/2012 12:13:16 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: ScottinVA

*comment of use = comment of his


25 posted on 05/16/2012 12:13:48 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: presently no screen name

All I did was say the opposite of the old line...he made his parents proud.

Because he did the opposite.

I’ll leave it to you to call down the ultimate judgement.

My point was different, but related.

Society, of which the building block is the family, used to matter. Disapproval of your family and the place you came from, used to matter a lot. It was devastating to go against that.

Now, far too many loudly trumpet their depradations against traditional values of right and wrong.

In the former social order, they would be condemned and shunned by other people in their sphere.


26 posted on 05/16/2012 12:14:00 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette

I guess Clyburn didn’t get the memo. The President is a “states rights” Federalist on this issue now.


27 posted on 05/16/2012 12:20:27 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: txrangerette

What district does Clyburn represent? I ask because it is begin reported that on hip hop radio the calls are mostly anti Obama on the gay marriage issue so any black politician could be endangering his own relation by hooking his horse to that wagon?


28 posted on 05/16/2012 12:47:12 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: txrangerette

What district does Clyburn represent? I ask because it is begin reported that on hip hop radio the calls are mostly anti Obama on the gay marriage issue so any black politician could be endangering his own re election by hooking his horse to that wagon?


29 posted on 05/16/2012 12:47:35 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: txrangerette
I’ll leave it to you to call down the ultimate judgement

I'm not calling it down - he is on his own accord. That how it works - each is responsible for their own outcome, there is no guess work but there certainly is deception to cloud the mind for evil to scoop up the deceived to it's side. And he's responsible for that!

30 posted on 05/16/2012 12:47:59 PM PDT by presently no screen name (God First!! VAB: Voting Against Both---> Romney and Obama.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Why wait ‘til all the facts are in from the several states in which it’s legal. Let’s force the red states to secede from the Union while it’s a hot button issue. Then O can really be like Abe Lincoln.


31 posted on 05/16/2012 2:02:38 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: txrangerette

Whenever I start to think about Mitt Romney’s failings, I can remember these “gay marriage” statements from Obama and Clyburn and Mitt starts to look like George Washington.


32 posted on 05/16/2012 3:30:27 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: txrangerette

Clyburn has one of those SC sinecures from which he can never be disloged until death. People in SC are fully predictable on that.


33 posted on 05/16/2012 5:34:10 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: txrangerette

Who else here thought that this was about Van Clyburn?


34 posted on 05/17/2012 2:35:11 PM PDT by fwdude
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