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Report casts doubt on E15 use in cars & trucks {Extra Ethanol in Gasoline}
Fuel Fix ^ | May 16, 2012 | Jennifer A. Dlouhy

Posted on 05/16/2012 10:42:20 AM PDT by thackney

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To: mamelukesabre; Repeal The 17th

I am stunned.

I just looked at wiki and they say you are correct. When I was a kid, I used to live next to a guy who owned the neighborhood gas station. He told me ethyl grade gas was called that for “ethyl alcohol” which was the old fashioned chemistry name for ethanol. He told me they got the idea from the old moonshiners who would fill their tanks with moonshine to make their cars go faster to evade the revenuers. Seemed logical to me since there is a whole class of drag racing who burn only alcohol(faster than gasoline but slower than top fuel).

I’ve been re-telling this to people for over 30 years and you are the first person EVER to call me out on it.


61 posted on 05/16/2012 4:23:56 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

Good on ya’ mamel.
Too many people now a days refuse to admit when they are wrong.
FReep on, brother!


62 posted on 05/16/2012 4:38:42 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: allmost

“Nothing more than E-10 on your prius gas cap?”

That’s the way I read that. I’ll confirm with the Owner’s Manual. But it’s got that small 1.5L engine so I’m not surprised.


63 posted on 05/16/2012 4:58:16 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Loyal Sedition
My bike is a two-stroke, E15 = seizure, and I just had it rebuilt.

I've been real careful to keep ethanol out of my two stroke bikes and older outboard motor, but it has been easy around here because little or no alcohol is actually blended into gasoline (although state law requires >= 2%).. Only once did I even detect a trace (less than 0.5%) using an EAA test kit. Now I purchase from a Conoco chain that advertises on their billboard "No Ethanol" so I don't bother to test.

Of course, most any bike or racing vehicle, two stroke or four, can be jetted to run on straight alcohol. Seals, etc. will have to be replaced with ethanol-safe ones. In some cases the diluting effect on cylinder wall lubrication must be taken into account. Shouldn't be much of a problem on hard-chromed (Nikasil, etc.) cylinder walls. Will run cooler depending on power output.

64 posted on 05/16/2012 5:04:57 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: steve86

Diaphragms in older boat pumper carbs can be a real problem, as well as fiberglass gas tanks on boats and bikes.


65 posted on 05/16/2012 5:06:10 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Hold on though.

Something doesn’t make sense. I distinctly remember BEFORE unleaded gas came out they had two grades...ethyl and regular. Then when unleaded came out they had two grades...leaded and unleaded.

Ethyl was the stuff that made your car go fast. Regular was regular. Both had lead in them.

Then came unleaded gas. what the heck was regular gasoline back in the days before unleaded gasoline?

Something doesnt’ jive.


66 posted on 05/16/2012 5:10:16 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

Just a lower octane blend, as always.


67 posted on 05/16/2012 5:35:45 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: mamelukesabre

Historically, there have always been three pumps that ran off of two tanks at the station.

There was a high octane tank and a low octane tank.

The three pumps delivered high octane (premium), low octane (regular), or a mid-grade (a blend from the two tanks).

It is still basically done the same way.

Last Sunday, I bought “non-alcohol” gasoline from a “high-test” (premium) pump at a Kroger.


68 posted on 05/16/2012 5:41:42 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: steve86; Repeal The 17th

oops, i goofed.

it was like this:

regular or ethyl(both were leaded)

then...

regular or unleaded(regular was leaded)

then...

regular unleaded or hi-grade(both unleaded I think, but not sure)

then...

regular or premium or ethanol(three choices)

Old people could never figure out what to put in their car. The term “regular” was so over used it was nuts. Catalytic converters came out and people were burning them up right and left because they would drive to a small town with old pumps that didn’t specify “leaded or unleaded” If I remember right, Kerr McGee was the last station in my neighborhood to phase out ethyl...or maybe they just didn’t take the “ethyl” label off their pumps.


69 posted on 05/16/2012 5:54:26 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: steve86

My daily driver is a 1988 fuel injected F150 that does not like E10 fuel.
My nearest “non-alcohol” gas station is a tank of gas away!


70 posted on 05/16/2012 5:55:55 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

no, that’s not right. In the old days there were only two grades, not three.


71 posted on 05/16/2012 5:56:27 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
Catalytic converters came out and people were burning them up right and left because they would drive to a small town with old pumps that didn’t specify “leaded or unleaded”

I don't remember that at all.

Cars that used unleaded had a smaller fill pipe opening and you couldn't put leaded gas in unless the pump was not legal and had the small probe dispensing leaded gasoline.

And putting leaded gas into a converter car didn't cause anything to "burn up", it just made the converter non-functional - so if you had emissions testing you were in trouble down the road.

72 posted on 05/16/2012 6:00:26 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: mamelukesabre

When the switch to “non-leaded” gasoline came about,
the manufacturers put smaller openings in the fuel filler on the vehicles.
The larger nozzles at the station pumps would no longer fit into the smaller fuel tank openings on the vehicles.


73 posted on 05/16/2012 6:07:29 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: mamelukesabre

“...In the old days there were only two grades, not three...”
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In the really really really old days there was only one grade.
So what is your freaking point?


74 posted on 05/16/2012 6:09:35 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

assuming they put the right gas in the right underground storage tank and the station continued to used two different sized nozzles. Small town people tend to simply things.


75 posted on 05/16/2012 6:28:31 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Repeal The 17th

the point is we’re talking about pre unleaded gas at the moment. They had 2 grades then.


76 posted on 05/16/2012 6:31:47 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

I am perplexed. What is the error?


77 posted on 05/16/2012 6:33:22 PM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: mamelukesabre

Sorry, I don’t do chat.


78 posted on 05/16/2012 6:42:47 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Clay Moore

Ethanol increases your octane rating. When you lose the ethanol, you are left with the low grade non-ethanol-gasoline octane rating(in theory). Nowdays almost all gasoline has some ethanol in it. I don’t pay attention to octane ratings anymore, but before they started adding ethanol to everything, the middle octane rated fuel at the pump was ethanol. The lowest octane rated fuel was non-ethanol, the highest octane rating was premium. The difference between premium and the lowest octane rated fuel was that after filling the underground tanks, the tanker driver(or the station manager/owner) would dump an additive down into the tank of the premium grade fuel. Without doing that, the two non ethanol fuels were identical. At some point(about 5-8 years ago I think) many stations started putting ethanol in ALL grades of fuel even without advertising it at the pump. You still had 3 grades of fuel, but only one of them CLAIMED to be E10. The truth is they all had ethanol in them.


79 posted on 05/16/2012 6:46:53 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Repeal The 17th

ok whatever that means


80 posted on 05/16/2012 6:47:47 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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