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What Zimmerman, Martin medical reports tell us and the media didn't
Fox News ^ | May 16, 2012 | John Lott

Posted on 05/16/2012 2:07:07 PM PDT by Bobbys1963

The new medical reports on the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case tell us a lot. And it is not just for what they find, but also what they don’t find.

First, the reports provide striking evidence that Zimmerman did not start the fight with Martin, and that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense. Martin’s injuries were two-fold: broken skin on his knuckles and the fatal gunshot wound.

Zimmerman’s injuries involved: a fractured nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury.

It takes considerable force to break the skin on multiple knuckles. The large range of injuries on Zimmerman indicates that the Martin’s attack was prolonged. But here is what is missing: where are the injuries to Zimmerman’s hands? Where are the bruises on Martin’s face or other parts of his body? . . .

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; blackkk; defensivegunuse; florida; georgezimmerman; guncontrol; johnlott; lott; mediabias; obama; standyourground; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: Gay State Conservative
that it's likely that we'll see the charges dropped....sooner rather than later?

Race riots to follow in all cities dominated by liberals.

21 posted on 05/16/2012 2:27:54 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It's time to take out the trash in DC.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

“Oh wait wasn’t Trayvon BHO’s son.”

Why, yes he was. Trayvon was an SOB (son of barack).


22 posted on 05/16/2012 2:31:05 PM PDT by Student0165 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Mouton
He was told NO SUCH THING. The dispatcher said we don’t need you to do that, quite different then saying don’t do that.

Sorry but to me that means "quit following the guy."

Zimmerman had no authority to confront anyone IMO. Even if he was witnessing a theft, his job was to call the police, observe license numbers, descriptions etc but never to intentionally confront. He had no training for anything like that. And that is essentially why he is sitting where he is today. And unfortunately, a young guy is dead.

23 posted on 05/16/2012 2:31:25 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: Hattie

“I still ask how Zimmerman got from his car where he was perfectly safe, to the street where he got beat up and Martin got shot? “

Even if true, stupidity is not a crime, nor does it vitiate self-defense

Is a drunk woman wearing a slutty dress walking in an alley at 2:30am not entitled to shoot her rapist?


24 posted on 05/16/2012 2:31:58 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Mouton
they could be in deep legal do do with the judge

This case ceased being about the evidence during media circus. Now it's primarily about skin color and retribution. This may get real ugly!

25 posted on 05/16/2012 2:32:38 PM PDT by Taylor42
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To: Bobbys1963

Check out the moron on the video, saying Zimmerman went to the wrong doctor.


26 posted on 05/16/2012 2:35:26 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Hattie

Dispatchers don’t give lawful orders.


27 posted on 05/16/2012 2:36:39 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Tublecane

Thank you for that excellent, well-reasoned reply.


28 posted on 05/16/2012 2:36:45 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Don't let Julia fool ya. Socialism doesn't work.)
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To: Hattie

Wrong. George had already exited his vehicle when the dispatcher told him not to follow Martin.


29 posted on 05/16/2012 2:37:18 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Hattie

News to me that Zimmerman was in his car when told not to follow Martin. All indications were that he was on foot, said ok to the request not to follow, and was on a path to return to his vehicle to meet with the Police.
Am I wrong?


30 posted on 05/16/2012 2:37:25 PM PDT by dmet
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To: Bobbys1963

Since the prosecution does not have physical evidence to support the charges she has made, she must be going for proving Zimmerman started the fight. Zimmerman’s supporters say he has witnesses to support his story. I don’t know that anyone saw the fight begin.


31 posted on 05/16/2012 2:37:31 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Gay State Conservative

“Can any lawyers out there either confirm or refute my strong suspicion that we’re seeing the rapid unraveling of the State’s case and that it’s likely that we’ll see the charges dropped....sooner rather than later?”

I’m no lawyer, but I remember a Levin talk with another attorney.

They agreed the Florida Special Prosecutor was under political pressure to charge, even though police and the local prosecutor declined.

So she charged, and has submitted the evidence, evidence which doesn’t support 2nd degree murder.

But even if the 2nd degree murder doesn’t hold up, the political pressure remains.

The professional negro agitators and community organizers won’t let it rest.

At some point in the future, Zimmerman is like OJ, beats the criminal case, but faces civil damage charges.


32 posted on 05/16/2012 2:39:07 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Hattie

“I still ask how Zimmerman got from his car where he was perfectly safe, to the street where he got beat up and Martin got shot?”

I think I heard he was looking to see what street he was on, or something. It wouldn’t matter, anyway. Getting out of your car is not to forfeit your right to self-defense. It would have to be demonstrated that he got out of his car and proceeded to confront Martin in such a way as to force Martin into defending himself with violence.

The medical evidence doesn’t suggest that was the case, but it’s still possible. Still, if Zimmerman started the fight the prosecution has to prove it. The fact that he got out of his truck does no such thing.

“Zimmerman was told not to follow Martin by the dispatcher when he called the police, and he was in his car then.”

He wasn’t exactly told not to, they just said they don’t need him to. Even if he was talking to the police, I don’t believe they’re empowered, away from the scene like that, to lawfully order him not to follow, as following is not illegal. That being said, do we know he was still following Martin after the supposed quasi-police quasi-order? We know there was a confrontation and a fight afterwards, but do we know that even if the fight wouldn’t have happened had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle that Zimmerman got out of his vehicle to track Martin? So far as I know, that has not been established.

So at best we don’t know whether Zimmerman disobeyed the dispatcher. It’s very possible that he got out to read a street sign, or whatever he said, and that Martin, of his own violition, deliberately came upon him. But let’s say it was the opposite, and Zimmerman got out of his car in order to start a fist fight with Martin, in the hopes that he’d be able to use his gun on him. Again, the prosecution has to prove it, and again, Zimmerman getting out of the truck does no such thing.


33 posted on 05/16/2012 2:39:29 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Cementjungle

Its funny because the FBI invented profiling. It works!!


34 posted on 05/16/2012 2:39:49 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Mouton
Yours is the type of response that *this* rank amateur would only expect from a trained lawyer.Assuming you are your hunch that the judge might toss this case seems to me to be the right call...particularly given the evidence that's recently been revealed by the press.If,by chance,the judge *does* toss the case would he/she do so *with* or *without* prejudice?
35 posted on 05/16/2012 2:40:05 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: another casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: dmet

You are correct. It was during Zimmerman’s return path to his truck when Martin jumped Zimmerman and began his assault. Zimmerman was retreating when Martin attacked.


36 posted on 05/16/2012 2:41:58 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Hattie
Zimmerman was told not to follow Martin by the dispatcher when he called the police, and he was in his car then.

Proof that even FReepers can blow the facts in this case. I see at least two incorrect things right there.

37 posted on 05/16/2012 2:42:22 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Jewbacca
Is a drunk woman wearing a slutty dress walking in an alley at 2:30am not entitled to shoot her rapist?

Jewbacca for the win.

38 posted on 05/16/2012 2:44:23 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Tublecane

I heard Crump already say that Martin’s knuckles were bruised from bravely trying to disarm a crazed Zimmerman.

Yes, the prosecution will claim that Zimmerman said something and then flashed the pistol. Martin feared for his life and tried to take the pistol away from Zimmerman, fighting for several minutes knowing that his life was in jeopardy, but lost to the larger, white man.


39 posted on 05/16/2012 2:45:50 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Hattie

Bull.

Zimmerman was told that he didn’t need to do that.


40 posted on 05/16/2012 2:46:44 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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