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After suspending butcher who defended pregnant woman, Safeway faces public wrath
Santa Cruz Sentinel ^ | 05/16/2012 | KATE MOSER

Posted on 05/16/2012 7:47:24 PM PDT by artichokegrower

When Ryan Young, a butcher at the Del Rey Oaks Safeway, stopped a customer from hitting his pregnant girlfriend in the store last month, he won praise from the police department.

But Safeway slapped Young with a suspension — without pay — while the company investigates the altercation.

The story, which appeared Tuesday on KION, has spurred a public relations headache for the supermarket chain. Its Facebook page was peppered with outraged comments.

"Safeway is taking this matter seriously," Safeway spokeswoman Wendy Gutshall said in a statement. "We have store security video of the incident and have been engaged in a careful and thoughtful forensic review of what transpired."

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This is a follow up to a story posted yesterday. Thanks to all of you who contacted Safeway
1 posted on 05/16/2012 7:47:29 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

Further proof that no good deed goes unpunished.


2 posted on 05/16/2012 7:55:26 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: artichokegrower

Safeway Corporate Headquarters is in Pleasanton, CA. Just knowing it’s a California corporation raises a question mark in my mind as to the sanity of top management....right or wrong, that’s how I feel.


3 posted on 05/16/2012 8:07:39 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: artichokegrower
This SOB should be damn glad that the butcher left his tools
of the trade behind the counter.
4 posted on 05/16/2012 8:08:51 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: CrazyIvan

Safeway doesn’t know if they should s*** or go blind. They are not trying to do the right thing. They are trying to work this into a sales campaign. Fat chance that.


5 posted on 05/16/2012 8:12:30 PM PDT by healy61
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To: Tucker39

I thought that Safeway was owned by Mormons...


6 posted on 05/16/2012 8:17:24 PM PDT by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: One Name
I thought that Safeway was owned by Mormons...
Yea, or maybe even JOOOOS.
7 posted on 05/16/2012 8:31:31 PM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: artichokegrower

I’m going to be a skeptic here. There are 2 sides to every story. Why was his girlfriend in the store? Was she visiting him or shopping or both? It is a rarity that my wife would come in to my workplace, and in many jobs I’ve had it was against the rules. Something here doesn’t add up, and I’m one to think that it takes two to tango. What did the Butcher or his wife say or do to provoke the customer? If there was some unprofessional behavior that may have led to this incident then maybe suspending the worker pending an investigation isn’t such a bad idea. We don’t have all the facts we just have a sensational one-sided report.


8 posted on 05/16/2012 8:39:51 PM PDT by lmr
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To: lewislynn

According to WIKI; they don’t and haven’t. I heard it first back in the 70’s, what with the years’ worth of food storage and all.

So be it.

I’m not an enemy of the Jews; are you?


9 posted on 05/16/2012 8:41:42 PM PDT by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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I’m not an enemy of the Jews; are you?

I think he was being sarcastic.
10 posted on 05/16/2012 8:45:53 PM PDT by lmr
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To: lmr

Why are you so ignorant? It was not the butcher’s girlfriend getting attacked. It was a customer beating up the customer’s girlfriend. Read the story before commenting.


11 posted on 05/16/2012 8:47:35 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: lmr

Could be- but the Safeway thing has been around long before the internet.


12 posted on 05/16/2012 8:48:16 PM PDT by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: lmr
The article was poorly written. The woman being hit was not the butcher's girlfriend. She was a customer's girlfriend.
Langford said the store's security tapes matched Young's statement and witnesses' accounts of how the man and his pregnant girlfriend got into a physical fight near the meat counter.

13 posted on 05/16/2012 8:48:32 PM PDT by Bob
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To: artichokegrower
Why are you so ignorant?

You don't have to engage in ad-hominem insults, it just confirms that you are uncivil and unintelligent.

My questions are fair. What was she doing there and what led to the altercation between her and the customer? Was the employee involved in this? We don't have all the facts. We just have one side to this story. I happen to think that Safeway is right to want to investigate this before they pick a side here. Do you understand that if they don't handle this properly they could be sued by the customer? That is the society that we live in, unfortunately. I will not apologize for being rational.
14 posted on 05/16/2012 8:54:34 PM PDT by lmr
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To: lmr

It was the customer’s girlfriend. She came with the customer. The employee worked in the store. Two sides to a man stepping in to prevent another man from giving a woman a beat down? You live in a different world than me.


15 posted on 05/16/2012 8:58:28 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: lmr

Just like my High School Sweet Heart always told me, there is no safe way...


16 posted on 05/16/2012 9:01:27 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (I don't know what the future holds, but I know who holds my future.,)
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To: Bob
The woman being hit was not the butcher's girlfriend. She was a customer's girlfriend.

Yes, I see that now. This type of thing would make you not want to be a samaritan for sure, Safeway is probably wrong to suspend him without pay but having him report to work might be inviting further confrontation. What would happen if this guy and a few of his buddies came back to get 'revenge?' What if they waited till the Butcher got out to the parking lot? All I was saying is that, in any event, the store is in a difficult situation because of possible legal trouble and fear of reprisals.
17 posted on 05/16/2012 9:01:32 PM PDT by lmr
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To: One Name

“I thought that Safeway was owned by Mormons...”

And just how does that play into this issue? Really! For what it’s worth, the Mormons owned Alpha-Beta at one time. Actually, perhaps you have misspelled the word, because from my perspective, Safeway is RUN by MORONS!


18 posted on 05/16/2012 9:01:47 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: artichokegrower
You live in a different world than me.

I am not condoning a guy beating up his girlfriend. Pay attention to what I said in my posts. It's not a black and white situation. There is plenty of gray area and I don't blame the store for treading carefully.
19 posted on 05/16/2012 9:04:40 PM PDT by lmr
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To: lmr

“There are 2 sides to every story”

You might want to re-read the article. The butcher came between a male customer and his pregnant girlfriend. His wife was not involved, but she too is pregnant, and thanks to the a$$holes at Safeway, the two of them don’t have a paycheck!


20 posted on 05/16/2012 9:05:11 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: vette6387

What goosed your gonads, child?

Did you come to play?


21 posted on 05/16/2012 9:07:09 PM PDT by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: vette6387

Read all my posts. These threads are linear and we were past that about 5-10 minutes ago.


22 posted on 05/16/2012 9:08:02 PM PDT by lmr
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To: vette6387

And I’m still going to cut the store a little slack here and say that we still don’t have all the facts. Perhaps they were wrong to suspend without pay, but what other choice would they have in fear of legal issues and reprisals? Perhaps they should keep him on the payroll until they sort it out. That seems fair to me.


23 posted on 05/16/2012 9:11:11 PM PDT by lmr
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To: One Name

American Stores got bought by Sam Skaggs of Utah, and later merged with Safeway.


24 posted on 05/16/2012 9:23:34 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Cementjungle

Safeway also bought all the Randall’s stores in Houston area and they have been crappy ever since then.


25 posted on 05/16/2012 9:37:13 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: lmr

Or put him temporarily to work in a non customer contact capacity, like night stocker or warehouse worker.


26 posted on 05/16/2012 9:43:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: lmr
I’m going to be a skeptic here. There are 2 sides to every story. Why was his girlfriend in the store? Was she visiting him or shopping or both? It is a rarity that my wife would come in to my workplace, and in many jobs I’ve had it was against the rules. Something here doesn’t add up, and I’m one to think that it takes two to tango. What did the Butcher or his wife say or do to provoke the customer? If there was some unprofessional behavior that may have led to this incident then maybe suspending the worker pending an investigation isn’t such a bad idea. We don’t have all the facts we just have a sensational one-sided report.

I think you better read the story again Dolt...Tell me...what does the lmr stand for?...LEFTIST MEDIA RETARD?!!
27 posted on 05/16/2012 9:56:33 PM PDT by az.b1bbomberfxr
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To: lewislynn; One Name
One Name ~ I thought that Safeway was owned by Mormons...

lewislynn ~ Yea, or maybe even JOOOOS.

It's always the Jooooooooooooooooooos!

28 posted on 05/16/2012 9:57:13 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1212 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: artichokegrower

What a joke their union is! That’s right, all unions are only in it for themselves, they only pretend to care about the worker.
If I were living in Santa Cruz I’d picket the place, hopefully others are too, so they lose lots of business.


29 posted on 05/16/2012 10:25:57 PM PDT by Greg123456
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To: One Name

Not speaking for Mormans, but what the heck does your claim have to do with this thread?


30 posted on 05/16/2012 10:28:48 PM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: X-spurt

Enjoyed this thread——like an Abbott and Costello bit


31 posted on 05/16/2012 11:11:06 PM PDT by cmomm44
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To: lewislynn; One Name

You are thinking of Albertsons and I believe LDS owned shares in the firm but not ownership rights.

The founder was Mormon as well.


32 posted on 05/16/2012 11:27:24 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: artichokegrower

Do you live in Castroville? or around there?

We should get together. I’m over there once or twice a month.


33 posted on 05/16/2012 11:29:04 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: lmr
Good grief! Your stupidity has forced me to throw a:

Moron Alert!

34 posted on 05/16/2012 11:48:36 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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Why was his girlfriend in the store?

What frickin' story did you read? The girl friend was the girl friend of the guy hitting(or trying to hit)her. The Butcher stopped the guy from hitting the guy's pregnant girl friend. Talk about gettting it scrambled up.

35 posted on 05/17/2012 12:00:45 AM PDT by calex59
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To: SuperLuminal; calex59; az.b1bbomberfxr; vette6387; artichokegrower

Did you guys read all my posts or do you like to insult people for no reason? The article was poorly written and I originally made the mistake of thinking this was the butcher’s girlfriend. I know it is easy for some of you to hide behind your keyboards and say mean things to people you’ll never meet but I’m sure you wouldn’t say these things to people in real life if they were standing in front of you, right?

It was an honest mistake. If it makes any of you feel better, I’m an idiot for assuming it. Not that I believe that I’m an idiot, I’m just thinking maybe you’ll chill out and be satisfied if I say it. At no point was I being unreasonable or irrational. For some reason, some of you saw it to make sure that I was insulted or ‘humiliated.’ simply because you disagreed with an incorrect assumption I made. Well, I have a good reputation here for over 10 years, longer than most of you and feel entitled to an honest error once in awhile.

This is why I don’t fancy the Internet anymore. FR isn’t much different than the rest of cyberspace. Conversation has devolved, is so impersonal, people are ruder than ever and pop off without any warning at the slightest provocation. If we were all like this in real life we’d be gunning each other down in the streets. The Internet is a parody of itself. The Internet has become a wasteland of irrationality and boorishness.

I would have never treated any one of you the way some of you have treated me here for making a little mistake like I did. The funny thing is, I’m on your side too. For the most part, our positions on this aren’t much different and you know what? I wouldn’t have felt right insulting a fellow veteran freeper. I just don’t have it in me these days.

Now, with that said, for legal reasons, the store has to exercise caution. If you read the article, they say that are ‘two sides to every story.’ I am repeating what they said. I will cut Safeway a little slack here and I will not apologize for being skeptical of the media. It’s my default position.

Perhaps Safeway was wrong to cut off his pay, but they are not wrong to investigate and they are not wrong to separate the employee from the business. You’d be shocked what people might sue you for or what kind of retribution they could be seeking. (Or maybe not) I would think they would want to keep those kinds of threats away from their store. Safeway is in a difficult position. As a business owner that deals with difficult situations, I’m going to empathize with other businesses. You are free to disagree with me and I guess you are free to insult me too. I don’t really care. My positions on this are media skepticism, anti trial attorneys and pro-business (Capitalism) here. That’s pretty CONSERVATIVE and I would put my Conservative credentials against any of your views on any given day. I doubt you would be interested in doing that now, though, because some of you obviously think that making me feel bad for no reason is more important or something. Well, you win and I fail, I guess. It doesn’t matter. The Internet is pretty ridiculous and irrelevant to me, anyway.


36 posted on 05/17/2012 1:31:08 AM PDT by lmr
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To: lmr
A thick skin is definitely required for posting in this forum. I agree with you that it is easy for people to "hide behind their keyboards" and say nasty things to others. I believe that the anonymity of our screen names make it much easy to be uncivil to each other and I'm not sure it's a good thing.

When I first joined this forum in 1997, I used to post under my real name but when I saw that 99% of everybody else was under a pseudonym, I had my handle changed to SamAdams76. Remember, back at the time, many enemies of the then-current administration (Clinton) were dying under mysterious circumstances. The Internet was still relatively small in scale compared to what it is today and you didn't have to be overly paranoid to be concerned that you would be in danger simply for posting negative stories about the Clintons out on the Internet.

However, I think that if all of us had to post under our real names and our identities were known, we'd be much more civil to each other. The anonymity gives most of us a false bravado and that is why we are so quick to attack each other - when for the most part, we are all on the same side. Not sure anonymous screen names is a good thing anymore. If it was mandated by FR, I would be happy to flip my screen name back to my real name.

37 posted on 05/17/2012 2:17:44 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

I think the way for us to post with our real names is already coming. As Facebook and Google become the portals of choice for over 80 percent of us, they will become the logins for most commercial website discussion boards. Facebook already requires your real name and real photo and they are getting better at enforcing it. Both want confirmation of your account with them given by providing your cell phone number to them, as well.

90 percent of all Internet users spend most their time on a few dozen mega-websites these days. The Internet used to be way more open than that. The big sites are consolidating all the traffic and they’ve done a brilliant job corralling quite a few of us and that’s not good.

I think the solution is moderation, which we have here, but over-moderating could kill a website’s traffic.

I agree with you regarding having some kind of accountability. It would make everyone more civil.

Cheers!


38 posted on 05/17/2012 3:08:30 AM PDT by lmr
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To: SamAdams76

Well, I meant as the big Portals like Google and Facebook corral more users and act as gatekeepers for the rest of the web, sites OTHER THAN SITES LIKE FR will switch to Google and Facebook logins for their discussion boards. The benefits to the average user are a seamless interface and the benefits to a commercial website may mean more traffic directed to them from these portals. The downsides are the obvious privacy concerns. Many websites are already doing this and eventually most of them will jump on this bandwagon. Google and Facebook will use the mountains of cash that they have to buy tech companies that faciliate their lock on traffic or add to the ‘seamless’ experience. I don’t care for that, though and I hope that it doesn’t kill sites like FR but I know things aren’t what they used to be because these Freepathons take longer. That reminds me, It’s probably time to donate again... I didn’t mean to ramble.


39 posted on 05/17/2012 3:25:46 AM PDT by lmr
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To: artichokegrower

Remind me never to shop at Safeway.


40 posted on 05/17/2012 3:45:49 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: lmr
Good points. I've read extensively on the reasons Facebook and Google require real names. Publicly, they tell us the reason is to keep people civil to each other and to protect them from legal issues (less chance for slander and such). However, I think the overall reason is so that they can provide better demographics to their advertisers and drive revenues.

While I have a screen name here, anybody could figure out my real name by doing a Google search but I've been using SamAdams76 for so many years now that it's almost become a second name for me. If somebody shouted Sam Adams in the street, I'd turn my head! If I ever did go back to my real name here, I'd have to add (a/k/a SamAdams76) so people would know who I am.

Anyway, screen name or not, I always try to be polite to people here. I can get sarcastic at times but I don't think I've every been nasty or cruel. I think that people who are that way must be little people who get no respect in the real world so they try to make something of themselves behind a keyboard. Kind of sad, really. They are the kind of people that probably kick their dogs and go out of their way to run over squirrels on the road.

41 posted on 05/17/2012 3:56:25 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: artichokegrower
We have store security video of the incident and have been engaged in a careful and thoughtful forensic review of what transpired.

But we fired the guy right away.

42 posted on 05/17/2012 4:14:34 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: lmr

What is your reading comprehension level?


43 posted on 05/17/2012 4:21:58 AM PDT by sport
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This thread is hilariious...unfortunately not in a good way...:(


44 posted on 05/17/2012 6:56:32 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: cmomm44

Who’s on First???


45 posted on 05/17/2012 7:03:47 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: lmr

Uhh, you might want to read the story again. The woman was the assailant’s wife.


46 posted on 05/17/2012 7:10:52 AM PDT by j_tull (Massachusetts once lead the American Revolution. Under Mitt Romney, it lead the demise.)
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To: Tucker39

Take comfort in the fact that you are right.


47 posted on 05/17/2012 7:16:26 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: lmr
but I’m sure you wouldn’t say these things to people in real life if they were standing in front of you, right?

As a matter of fact I would say exactly what I said to you to your face. Reading the whole article would have cured you of any delusion that the girl was the Butcher's girl friend. Take your ribbing like a man and quit whining about it, you are only making yourself look petty.

48 posted on 05/17/2012 7:17:57 AM PDT by calex59
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To: X-spurt

What?


49 posted on 05/17/2012 7:19:13 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: lmr
but I’m sure you wouldn’t say these things to people in real life if they were standing in front of you, right?

PS, almost every FReeper has been where you are now, they misread an article and made a comment that seemed stupid on the surface, and usually was, and learned to read articles all the way through before commenting, at least some of us learned, and we were harassed unmercifully for it, some of it a lot worse than you recieved. As I said, take your standard FR ribbing like an adult.

50 posted on 05/17/2012 7:25:07 AM PDT by calex59
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