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Electric bill outrages
New York Post ^ | 5/16/12 | JOHN HINDERAKER

Posted on 05/16/2012 8:54:47 PM PDT by SmithL

President Obama said that his policies would cause the cost of electricity to skyrocket. Well, it has, but not only because of Obama.

. . . the cost is passed on to ratepayers, who have no idea that they are paying extra to subsidize “green” fantasies.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: electricity; energy; globalwarminghoax; greenpower

1 posted on 05/16/2012 8:54:53 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Never thought I’d see a 1100 squarefoot mobile home generate a 140 dollar electric bill between heating and cooling seasons (you know... the 3 or 4 weeks between Minnesotas two seasons. To flipping hot and to flipping cold)

But we did!

And I just replaced all of our 15+ year old electric appliances save the water heater. That is going gas.

Honestly with a 25 dollar gas bill I wonder if a natural gas genset would not be cheaper to run.


2 posted on 05/16/2012 9:07:37 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: SmithL

All part of the plan to destroy the middle class and let them know that the only way to get ahead is getting grants from the almighty government.


3 posted on 05/16/2012 9:07:42 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: SmithL

Using cheap natural gas to generate electricity in Texas.

My bill last month was $87 for 2400 sf, all-electric home, everyone home all day, TVs and computers and appliances running.

0 will mess it up if he can.


4 posted on 05/16/2012 9:11:11 PM PDT by Jedidah ("In those days Israel had no king. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.")
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To: cableguymn

Be happy that you do not live in AZ


5 posted on 05/16/2012 9:13:46 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: SmithL
I don't worry a about power company bills. Another upside is getting to tell people: "I don't give a crap about the CO2 I'm saving."

6 posted on 05/16/2012 9:19:49 PM PDT by I see my hands (If you say what you think then no one will like you.)
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To: SmithL

Green Energy, hmmmmmmmmm - - - - - - . Yeah! I saw some yesterday! There it was just basking in the Sun nice and tidy on a green carpet of Bermuda Grass.

I heard a deep noise, turned around and more handy-sized dull green energy packets were falling on the green pasture.

By carefully walking around other drying packets of green energy I found one that had dried out enough to be shipped by air to 1600 Plantation Avenue, in the District of Corruption.

If any of y’all want to send Obama some of these green energy packets from a pasture near you, just make sure that all the water is out of these green energy packets, so that the TSA screeners at the airports will approve and then ship your packets by fossil fueled Jet planes.

The nice thing about these magnificent meadow muffins of green energy is that they last a lifetime if you don’t get them wet.

Yep, all ya gotta do is add water! Well, be careful to not let them hit a fan, or a fan of green energy.

BTW, I changed my mind: the last idea is probably a good idea - - - .


7 posted on 05/16/2012 9:21:03 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: cableguymn

It’s an arithmetic problem & you have to factor in the cost of the generator. Utilities have information about making such calculations for all appliances.

I just looked it up: Minnesota generators 59% of its electricity with coal. If Obama is re-elected, I’d make sure I had some sort of >wood burning stove for heat.

It’s possible to live through hot weather in Minnesota without air conditioning. But it’s impossible to make through a cold Minnesota winter without heat, unless you hibernate like a bear.

Modern heaters using natural-gas ALSO require electricity to operate. Obama is working to destroy energy production in the USA. Plan for the worse.

There are products for a ‘cool roof’ or solar heat reflective paint. Do your >research; solar-reflective-paint on your mobile home can act like a big shade tree & help keep your mobile home cool.

(There are bogus products being sold now that do NOT work quite the way you would want them to work. For example: some folks put an ‘insulating paint’ on their roof when they have an open attic. The roof keeps off the rain. To put ‘insulating paint on such a roof would be like putting ‘insulating paint’ on an umbrella & expecting it to help keep you warm. Such paint if it reflects heat will help in that regards but not with insulating.)

The radiant heat from the sun would be reflected off the mobile home by a solar reflective paint. It’s sort of like standing under a shade tree on a 100 degree day. It’s still very hot under the tree but it’s not as bad as standing in direct sunlight. (In the winter the ‘warm sun heat’ is also reflected but usually there is NOT that much heating done by the sun in wintertime Minnesota.)

Also, use water to keep cool if there is a power outage. Just putting your feet in a tub of water for 1/2 hour will cool down your entire body.
Down south, folks go & ‘beat their feet on the Mississippi River mud’ to keep cool on a hot humid day. At least in the old-songs.

Look up ‘solar porches’ they can help create a warm spot in the winter. I actually lived in an old ‘shack’ that had a homemade solar porch; it worked just fine. But I live where there be cactus, sticker bushes & tumble-weeds that do be tumbling.


8 posted on 05/16/2012 9:50:11 PM PDT by gghd (A Pro-life Palinista & a member of the NRA)
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To: SmithL

Someday I’ll get started on my book: “Al Gore-The man who would scam the world” Say what you will about the psychopath, but it’s mind boggling how he gets away with this crap. I mean think about it: The percentage of CO2 in the earths atmosphere is only 0.04%! It’s freakin zero! Zero point zero! And Methane is even more ridiculous, only 0.00017% Yet he has billions of people believing in this sh*t to the point where they are willing to destroy their entire economy. By God how does he do it? It’s the media, plain and simple. Water vapor is the main culprit of global warming, it’s what made Venus a greenhouse planet, but this guy was slick enough to get people to ignore that and go for the gases released by industry even though it’s completely harmless.


9 posted on 05/16/2012 10:23:41 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: cableguymn

Mobile homes are not very efficient to heat or cool due to poor insulation.

What is your electric cost per kwh ?


10 posted on 05/16/2012 10:32:03 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: cableguymn

We live in the woods. No central heat or air. In the winter we have a fireplace insert for heat. Our electric bill is $198.00 a month! Of course we live in California, but still!


11 posted on 05/16/2012 10:59:00 PM PDT by RightWingMama
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To: Kellis91789

Not true. OLD mobile homes are not properly insulated. Mine has 2X6 walls with R21, floors with R30 and ceilings with R49. Except for sitting on a metal frame (that can be removed. mine is foundation ready) this house is built just like a regular brick and mortar house.

I think it’s 11 cents a kilowatt hour.


12 posted on 05/16/2012 10:59:59 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: cableguymn

That’s great ! The last one I looked at in CA they built with 2x3 walls and insulation was about R10. Maybe new ones in CA are better than that too.

If your electric is only 11 cents, then I’m envious. In CA, we have tiered pricing — the more you use the higher the rate — and my annual average is about 18 cents per kwh.


13 posted on 05/17/2012 1:36:28 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: SmithL
“green” fantasies.????

Are you referring to the stolen taxpayer funds laundered through failed solar companies?

14 posted on 05/17/2012 3:31:03 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: cableguymn

You should see our electric bills in NC....in the counties that are stuck with “electricities”. Apparently we are paying for bad decisions made by our elected officials many years back. Just about all I know get bills upwards of $400 in the summer with most averaging around $500-$600 PER MONTH [and HIGHER]!

We just finished re-insulating our older home...spent big money putting extra fancy insulation in our attic, replaced all the vinyl on the house with new, PLUS insulation foam board, and new windows......I have ALL gas appliances...and my electic bill still tops over $300 per month! And that does NOT count the gas bill which is propane [no natural gas lines running out in the county where we live].

Btw, my house is about 1600 sq ft. I dont know what we will do if Obamas energy plans ever take effect? We have cut back everywhere we can, done all we can do to improve yet our bill is still too high [IMO]. :-(


15 posted on 05/17/2012 4:10:56 AM PDT by bohica1
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To: cableguymn

You should see our electric bills in NC....in the counties that are stuck with “electricities”. Apparently we are paying for bad decisions made by our elected officials many years back. Just about all I know get bills upwards of $400 in the summer with most averaging around $500-$600 PER MONTH [and HIGHER]!

We just finished re-insulating our older home...spent big money putting extra fancy insulation in our attic, replaced all the vinyl on the house with new, PLUS insulation foam board, and new windows......I have ALL gas appliances...and my electic bill still tops over $300 per month! And that does NOT count the gas bill which is propane [no natural gas lines running out in the county where we live].

Btw, my house is about 1600 sq ft. I dont know what we will do if Obamas energy plans ever take effect? We have cut back everywhere we can, done all we can do to improve yet our bill is still too high [IMO]. :-(


16 posted on 05/17/2012 4:11:08 AM PDT by bohica1
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To: bohica1

Sorry for the double post....


17 posted on 05/17/2012 4:13:01 AM PDT by bohica1
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To: bohica1

I live here too. You should see my electric and water! If i water the grass my water bill is close to $100. I lived in tbe desert with a pool and never had a water bill over $60! We have a gas pack for downstairs and electric only upstairs. I just never bothered to turn the upstairs on this winter. Last winter my bills were over $500 for both and we were still freezing to death.


18 posted on 05/17/2012 4:18:42 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Kellis91789
Good Question! I am in Oregon and most of our power is generated by hydro electric. .0377 per kwh total use was 876 Kwh in March/April. But the most shocking figure on my bill, something I have never noticed before are the other charges:

Oregon Tax

Public Purpose

Energy Conservation Charge

Low Income Assistance

JCBoyle Dam Removal

Copco & Iron Gate Dams Removal

What the hell? The environmentalists are taking the power companies to court to remove dams that generate power and apparently they have won and now we are paying for their removal. A total of $1.10 a month, for how long?

19 posted on 05/17/2012 6:47:45 AM PDT by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: Kellis91789

Our natural gas company (Center Point Energy) has tiered pricing. The more you use the higher rate per unit you pay. The state is thinking about going after them. They don’t take anything in to account like age of the home, size of the home, medical needs..

If you use more than X, you pay this..

Walmart and other large department stores get hit with the high rate no matter what since it’s based on a 1000 square foot home and what they think you should be using.

Mobile home instructional changed in the late 80’s when they started following normal building codes.


20 posted on 05/17/2012 7:30:47 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: SmithL

Went solar right after Christmas and our electricity bill went from $300+ a month to last month’s bill of $6. We would have run a credit, but there were a couple of weeks of very cloudy weather and rain.


21 posted on 05/17/2012 7:41:21 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Interesting.

What was the overall cost to install.

Is there an auto switch to the main box, do you feed back to the grid automatically?

22 posted on 05/17/2012 7:56:11 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: going hot
Cost of the installation was $80k. However, with a 30% rebate from the State of Louisiana and a 50% federal tax credit, the cost to us was 20%, or $16k.

What we did was finance the $16k for 5 years, and the amount we would have been paying our electric provider each month, we are paying to the bank on the note.

Our energy will be free and clear in 5 years, at which time there is no way to even predict what electric costs will be. The one thing we know for sure is that electricity is never going to be cheaper in our lifetimes.

23 posted on 05/17/2012 10:08:16 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Thank you for the info.


24 posted on 05/17/2012 12:33:07 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: going hot
You're welcome. Realized that I did not answer your question about the grid.

During the day when the solar is operating, any power that we do not consume automatically feeds into the grid and our meter runs backwards. If the grid goes down, for whatever reason, a switch is automatically thrown and the system switches from being connected to the grid to our backup propane generator that feeds the solar system enough power to keep it up and running. If our system does not "sense" any power coming in, it shuts down, thus the generator when the grid goes down.

Any grid-tied system is required to shut off when the grid goes down so that power company workers don't get electrocuted while repairing the grid system. Since that would have left us without power during an outage, we decided that the generator backup was necessary. We are close enough to the coast and tropical weather that we are prone to long outages in hurricane season. That kind of defeats the purpose of having solar power, so we figured out how to get around that.

25 posted on 05/17/2012 12:43:29 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Pretty irresistable- though, of course I disapprove of the subsidies. Since they were there though you’d have been foolish not to take them.

Interestingly with the end of Chinese solar panel dumping and, eventually, the end of solar subsidies your investment eill become even more valuable if you sell the house.


26 posted on 05/17/2012 2:28:40 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: mrsmith
I did the best I could with the solar panels. The very best made panels are from a German company, but they are produced at a plant in Georgia, USA. The Chinese panels are nowhere near the quality.
27 posted on 05/17/2012 3:49:30 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: cableguymn

Anything else you buy, you get a qty discount.

If it was up to the suppliers, they would push as much through their facilities as they could and get the most out of already paid for infrastructure costs.

Unfortunately, the environmentalists have taken over all the utility commissions so “conservation” is encouraged and higher usage is discouraged. It is a blatant distortion of economics for ideological purposes. Those of us who believe in free markets should pay more attention to who is being elected or appointed to these commissions.


28 posted on 05/17/2012 10:58:11 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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