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When (Inner-City) Men Won't Work
American Spectator ^ | May 17, 2012 | CHRISTOPHER ORLET

Posted on 05/17/2012 5:28:12 AM PDT by reaganaut1

It is a familiar sight here in the inner-city: young men in the prime of life aimlessly hanging out on stoops at midday, smoking and listening to hip hop music. Government statistics tell only half of the story. One in five American men does not work. It is worse in my hometown of St. Louis where the jobless rate for black men without a high school diploma reached 26 percent last year, and half of all students fail to graduate public high school. Needless to say, that is a lot of young men with nothing to do.

Many of these young layabouts find it unnecessary to work, save on those rare occasions when they need to make a fast buck. Unlike the middle-class suburbs or working class neighborhoods, it takes very few resources to get by in the ghetto. "You would be amazed at the number of persons you can cram into a small non-air-conditioned rental unit," a social worker friend tells me. Their expenses amount to little more than the clothes on their backs, bus tickets, cell phones and cigarettes. This easily can be earned by strolling down to the Temporary Labor Agency and putting in an honest day's work chopping ice or stacking brick, which leaves one free for the rest of the week. Others make a few bucks peddling dope or stealing pipe (a spray-painted sign on a nearby boarded-up building informs would-be thieves that they have already removed all the copper). A few ask for handouts. Many collect Supplemental Security Insurance for real or imagined disabilities.

Even if these aimless youth wanted to work, numerous factors militate against it. Foremost is the lack of good-paying, low-skill manufacturing jobs, the type of work that makes getting off the stoop worthwhile.

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Cut welfare such as food stamps so that people are forced to work, and (more controversially), cut the minimum wage and deregulate the labor market so that employers are willing to take a chance on people without work experience.
1 posted on 05/17/2012 5:28:15 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Why work when you can rob and steal? In Atlanta, great sport and profit is made from students at GSU and Georgia Tech. EVERY week an incident is reported (by law).


2 posted on 05/17/2012 5:30:46 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: reaganaut1

Too stupid to work with their brain and too lazy to work with their back.

Lucky for them, they get free food and baby mommas on Uncle’s tab, until they build up the energy to go steal something.


3 posted on 05/17/2012 5:31:58 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: reaganaut1

They’re not hungry enough.

2 Thess 3:10
...he who will not work, nor shall he eat

Prov 16:26
A laborer’s appetite works to his advantage, because his hunger drives him on.


4 posted on 05/17/2012 5:35:34 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: reaganaut1

I’d eliminate the tax on manufacturing as well. Eliminating the EPA and letting the states impose their own rational regulations wouldn’t hurt either.

We also need to find ways of encouraging self employment and small business.


5 posted on 05/17/2012 5:40:56 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: reaganaut1
... the lack of good-paying, low-skill manufacturing jobs,

I wonder why the author thinks there should be such a thing. Low-skill jobs - unless they have very demanding physical requirements, such as great strength - will naturally tend to offer low pay as well. High-paying manufacturing jobs were the result of a union-government cabal's favoring some low-skilled workers at the expense of the larger economy, both consumers and excluded workers.

Now that system has fallen, as it was always destined to. Most low-skill/low-pay jobs have been eliminated by regulation. The drive to earn a living has been crushed by handouts.

6 posted on 05/17/2012 5:42:14 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Remember our veterans, today and every day!)
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To: reaganaut1
half of all students fail to graduate public high school

Wow, and those that do graduate still don't know anything.

7 posted on 05/17/2012 5:42:31 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: reaganaut1
Cut welfare such as food stamps so that people are forced to work, and (more controversially), cut the minimum wage and deregulate the labor market so that employers are willing to take a chance on people without work experience.

You want controversy?

When they get busted, sentence them to pick lettuce. Give the legitimate "guest workers" raises, and let them "manage" the inner-city youts.

8 posted on 05/17/2012 5:48:52 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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They live on disability and food stamps. That crap about large numbers of them cramped in a small un-airconditioned apartment is classic social worker crap... they live with girlfriends, mom, sister or subsidized apartment...

Ever wonder how much money an honest person would have to save to generate this kind of income? It's in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

9 posted on 05/17/2012 5:50:47 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: reaganaut1

The way they describe it sounds like Paris or Greece or something.


10 posted on 05/17/2012 5:51:27 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: reaganaut1

This is the natural result of publik skoolz and the present kulture plus the inner city mentality against “acting white”.


11 posted on 05/17/2012 5:53:32 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: reaganaut1

The article failed to mention their greatest source of housing/food - baby mammas. Most of these gutter rats have four or five stupid women who have their babies so they can hop from bed to bed while WE pay for those women to lay around with various men, adding to their monthly support with each child that is not even raised, just allowed to grow without direction.


12 posted on 05/17/2012 5:55:51 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (ABO)
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To: Gaffer
Why work when you can rob and steal?

Within 3 blocks of the St Louis Blues Hockey Rink you will find industrious young men selling drugs.

Groups of 4 or 5 will be standing on street corners 2 blocks apart during the day as well as at night.

In broad daylight they are working and making money by standing in one spot.

13 posted on 05/17/2012 5:56:54 AM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: GOPJ

BUMP!!

right on!!

You should send the author a message about that.


14 posted on 05/17/2012 5:57:20 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: cripplecreek
We also need to find ways of encouraging self employment and small business



I'm trying to start a small business. Actually more of a microscopic business. I don't expect it to ever be a multi-million empire, but if I'm lucky, it might grow to be a full-time income source.

Right now, I'd feel lucky if I broke even.

Here in Ohio, we have the equivalent of a franchise tax - $150 minimum. Registering with the SOS to form an LLC is $125. So already, before I sell anything or even bought any raw materials, I'm $275 in the hole. Luckily, I don't need to get any other state licenses, or it'd be worse.

Sure, if I were grossing a few $hundred thousand, $275 would be nothing. But every business has to start somewhere, and I can tell you that the profit from the first 30 products I sell (and I was hoping to sell 50 a year to start) go to pay just those fees.

So I have to ask myself, is it even worth my time? It's a big enough risk just coming up with a product, sourcing all the raw materials, designing a process, setting up a marketing plan, etc. Throw in the fact that half my first year sales, I won't even see a dime. How many great ideas are squished because starting small is made nearly impossible? Just figuring out where the hoops are that you have to jump through is difficult enough.

Even the largest corporation had to make it's first $1 in sales. If we want more successful employers, we need to concentrate on making those first sales as easy and painless as possible.
15 posted on 05/17/2012 6:09:57 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: reaganaut1

It’s not the lack of work experience that keeps people from hiring a laborer, it’s the lack of work ethics.

They don’t work even if you do hire them so there is no point in hiring them.


16 posted on 05/17/2012 6:13:19 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: GOPJ

or they live with Grandma who supports 3 generations in her govt welfare apartment with her govt social security disability or other welfare check

Then baby mama gives birf to kids who get SSI for ADHD and the cycle goes on


17 posted on 05/17/2012 6:15:19 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: cripplecreek

I have a decade of experience in manufacturing.

The only applicants I get are immigrants and ex-cons.

The ex-cons normally MUST have a job as a condition of their parole. Their productivity is piddly compared to the hard working immigrants. Some of them turned out to be dangerous to the other workers so I laid them off.

I used to have a small factory in a rural area with 30% unemployment. The Foreman and I would make bets on how many hours the Anglos would work before quitting. Often the Anglos would walk off the job after a couple of hours.

Farm boys were the only decent native born workers that I ever saw, and most of them were Hispanic.

I started cutting lawns at age eight. Started working Summers and weekends at age eleven. A lot of it was hard, hot, dirty work.

Sorry to say many young people are just soft.


18 posted on 05/17/2012 6:18:40 AM PDT by darth
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To: reaganaut1

It doesn’t matter to them. The way they figure it, uncle Sam will continue to provide handouts. If not the gubmint, they can go to a soup kitchen. And if they come by their gains criminally, it’s a win-win: they don’t get caught, they have goods to pawn. If they DO get caught, they get three hots and a cot, an exercise yard, and they get to learn the greatness of Mohammed.

There’s nothing to incentivize them to work harder or better. Their basic needs are met: food and shelter. They go out and procreate at will with little regard for the welfare of the children.

LBJ’s “Great Society” completely destroyed any dignity left in the black community.


19 posted on 05/17/2012 6:20:07 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: reaganaut1

And they can stroll into the food kitchen and get a free meal every day of the week. The LAST time I worked at a food kitchen, it seemed like half the “customers” were healthy young men. No eye contact, no thank you, sad. I was recently in Maui and went to the Catholic church there twice. They were very proud of their outreach program which fed several hundred people every day. I was going to give them my usual weekly tithe but decided not to enable this ministry. Guess that’s why I’m an evil conservative.


20 posted on 05/17/2012 6:20:28 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: reaganaut1

They won’t work but by God they will vote.


21 posted on 05/17/2012 6:22:46 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: MrB
They’re not hungry enough. 2 Thess 3:10 ...he who will not work, nor shall he eat Prov 16:26 A laborer’s appetite works to his advantage, because his hunger drives him on.

Right on - my tagline has been so for quite some time to demonstartae the Biblical truth that the lazy should not eat and that we need to ensure they are stigmatized for it. The WWJD crap they try to use to justify feeding the lazy is not substantiated in the Bible. If they are crippled and have to sit on a mat to beg, take care of them; if not, tell them they are a disgrace 9in a loving manner) and let them know - no-workee, no-eatee.

22 posted on 05/17/2012 6:32:17 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: chrisser
What prudent merchant will hazard his fortunes in any new branch of commerce when he knows not that his plans may be rendered unlawful before they can be executed?

-James Madison

I looked at starting a small engine repair shop with an eye toward diversifying into more of a handyman type thing but legal start up costs shut that idea down right from the get go. If I intend to have customers come to my home there's an extra insurance surcharge due to the fact that my street is unpaved. I also need to make sure that my garage, drive, sidewalk etc meet all state and federal safety regulations if I intend to have customers come to me. I live on a lake which means a whole new layer of regulations. The regulations alone would bury me before I ever got anywhere near licensing and taxation.

God forbid I ever did enough business to hire some help, that just takes it all to a whole new level.
23 posted on 05/17/2012 6:33:28 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: darth
The ex-cons normally MUST have a job as a condition of their parole. Their productivity is piddly compared to the hard working immigrants. Some of them turned out to be dangerous to the other workers so I laid them off.

As a foreman I preferred the parolees. They were there every day and would work all the overtime I could legally give them. What I got from the "immigrants" was this I don't speak english crap.
24 posted on 05/17/2012 6:39:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: reaganaut1

I’ve got news for everyone — it isn’t just “inner city” men. There are a lot of suburban white men — ages 20 to 40 and of all economic levels — who don’t believe that they are required to support themselves. I have family members in rural Texas — all white as a sheet — who live off disability. My 43 year old brother is an electrician who lays off 4 months a year and doesn’t work, and then looks for money from my poor old parents because he is “having a hard time” during those months. A good friend comes from Appalachian Tennessee and he just shakes his head in shame at how his family spends their time stealing cars and living off disability and scamming the system. This is not a “black” or “inner city” problem. The whole freakin country wants a handout or views scamming the system as a way of life.


25 posted on 05/17/2012 6:39:45 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: cripplecreek

Pero, puedo hablar Espanol.

I knew that studying Spanish for six years would come in handy. My father started me in the language early, but he mostly used it to cuss when he hit his thumb with a hammer.

Manufacturing in my city is dominated by immigrants. Most are from Mexico, but you will find a lot of Eastern Europeans, Vietnamese, etc. as well.

A couple of my ex-cons went straight, but the majority had a problem changing their drug dealing ways.


26 posted on 05/17/2012 6:45:50 AM PDT by darth
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
I’ve got news for everyone — it isn’t just “inner city” men.

True enough. Its not all as black and white as some would like it to be. We do need to cut the entitlements but we need to ease job creation for them to have alternatives. Otherwise we'll just create more democrats.
27 posted on 05/17/2012 6:48:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: IMR 4350
The left side of the employee bell curve is not motivated because 1) they always lose, and 2) they don't know why. They are amateurs playing against pros. Sports has already solved this problem: there are different leagues for different ages, sexes, school size, in other words sports is segregated by innate ability. If they play in the right league, they will win half the time rather than none of the time. Work leagues used to be provided by national borders and segregated populations and cultures. Turn places like Detroit into a reservation with controlled borders. Suddenly half the people on the left side of the bell curve become the right side of the new bell curve, and become respected and motivated contributors in their communities.
28 posted on 05/17/2012 6:49:12 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Tax-chick

“The drive to earn a living has been crushed by handouts.”

Wrong. I work with this population and the ones with jobs are hateful about those without. Those without are hampered by addictions and the sickness around them.


29 posted on 05/17/2012 6:50:24 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: darth

No point in learning to speak spanish to people who simply refused to speak english despite knowing how.

As one of my American Hispanic co workers told me. “They speak english, just not to you” They spoke english to him because they saw him as “one of theirs”. He wasn’t, he was an American.


30 posted on 05/17/2012 6:53:25 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: yldstrk
Those without are hampered by addictions and the sickness around them.

That seems like a poetic way of saying "don't need to work to survive."

31 posted on 05/17/2012 6:55:42 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Remember our veterans, today and every day!)
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To: chrisser

And then you buy/lease a space. The electric company wants $500 just to connect you. The gas company wants $1000. Your utility bills are automatically higher because you have to pay “business rates”. Then you get to buy all kinds of insurance. Then you get to set up your credit card account and hyperventilate at the fees that come out of your nearly-empty pockets for someone using one of the “rewards cards”.

Hire some employees but don’t forget to purchase all of those stupid signs the government has decreed must be posted in specific locations and can ONLY be purchased through the government. If you’re really lucky, you’ll also get to be responsible for providing their health care coverage or be slapped with a fine.

Then, you get to spend around 20 hours/day trying to get your business off the ground, shunning any kind of a “normal” life. You’re going to miss out on your kids’ activities and family get-togethers and forget birthdays. There will barely be days off, let alone vacations of any kind.

If, after months or years of jumping through hoops and working your exhausted tail off, your business starts to take off, you’ll get to listen to irritated people proclaim, “Well, it must be NICE to own your own business! I sure wish I owned MY own business!”, and be labeled a greedy Republican for trying to keep a small percentage of the profits for yourself.

THE END


32 posted on 05/17/2012 6:58:08 AM PDT by nodumbblonde ("The ladder of success is best climbed by stepping on the rungs of opportunity." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Tax-chick

The thing that really sucks for black Americans without skills is that those low skill jobs are being done by hispanics who show up on time, and work very hard.

A business I am very familiar with that employs 100+ low skilled workers ($8 hour manual labor) is nearly 80% hispanic workers even though it is located near one of the largest black cities in America.

Not a fan of illegals or guest workers...but I am a fan of their work ethic.


33 posted on 05/17/2012 7:00:04 AM PDT by icwhatudo (This is not a choice between Romney&Reagan-Its between Romney & most radical leftist Pres in history)
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To: cripplecreek

The former owner of this company refused to try to speak any Spanish.

The Foreman spoke very limited English, so they had a bad communication problem.

When I took over I tried to issue all instructions in Spanish.

My Foreman must have felt challenged; he learned a lot more English. He once lamented to me that his son, who graduates tomorrow from a prestigious university, speaks Spanish poorly.

Now, we use both languages. Clear communication is essential to safety and quality.

I do not think of this as a right/wrong issue. I just adapt to the conditions that I encounter, and speaking Spanish has proven to be incredibly valuable.

I use the language frequently at restaurants and grocery stores. It brings a smile when I show respect for their culture.

That said, it is also clear that people who refuse to learn English limit their incomes and careers. I’m sure the younger generation will figure this out.


34 posted on 05/17/2012 7:13:11 AM PDT by darth
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To: darth

In my area there is a farmer’s market. The people running the cash register work from 6 am until 6 pm, rain or shine, 100 degrees or freezing. The men hauling in the vegetables work 16 hours a day under the same conditions.

The market has to hire a security guard to sit there all night to keep the layabouts from breaking in and stealing everything. Where does the layabout get the idea he has the right to steal from hard working, productive citizens?


35 posted on 05/17/2012 7:19:24 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Tax-chick

yeah?

You try working when you are addicted and surrounded by people smoking embalming fluid

That is the one problem with some conservatives, they think the underclass is a bunch of lazy bums and they are so frickin superior. You try making a life out of the broken morass at the bottom.


36 posted on 05/17/2012 7:21:03 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Life is full of choices here in Amrica. A lot of fools keep making choices that lead them to bad outcomes. That is their choice. Those who make such choices shouldn’t expect others to save them from themselves...or to give them the results of their hard word and responsible choices. You made you bed...lie in it.


37 posted on 05/17/2012 7:36:47 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: yldstrk

Life is full of choices here in America. A lot of fools keep making choices that lead them to bad outcomes. That is their choice. Those who make such choices shouldn’t expect others to save them from themselves...or to give them the results of their hard word and responsible choices. You made you bed...lie in it.


38 posted on 05/17/2012 7:37:28 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: yldstrk
You try working when you are addicted and surrounded by people smoking embalming fluid

Myabe you can't, but you can get clean and/or move away from it. I know people that have done it.

39 posted on 05/17/2012 7:40:26 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Reeses
You sound like you've been listening to too many “motivational” speakers.

They don't work because they don't have to work so they don't want to work.

Oh they will be more than happy to collect a paycheck, but they don't want to actually work. Actually having to work, Dat be slabery. Been there done that hundreds of times.

They don't want to show up on time, if they even show up at all. They were out late the night before and Da be tired. It's their right not to show up if they don't want to. Having to show up for the job, Dat be slabery.

If you hire them they don't work, you fire them and they collect unemployment.

40 posted on 05/17/2012 7:45:53 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Reeses
You sound like you've been listening to too many “motivational” speakers.

They don't work because they don't have to work so they don't want to work.

Oh they will be more than happy to collect a paycheck, but they don't want to actually work. Actually having to work, Dat be slabery. Been there done that hundreds of times.

They don't want to show up on time, if they even show up at all. They were out late the night before and Da be tired. It's their right not to show up if they don't want to. Having to show up for the job, Dat be slabery.

If you hire them they don't work, you fire them and they collect unemployment.

41 posted on 05/17/2012 7:45:53 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: SampleMan

Welfare momma’s are just a small part. I blame the men most of all. This world has a critical shortage of moral men standing up and doing right. When a good man leads, many follow.


42 posted on 05/17/2012 7:47:20 AM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: IMR 4350
You sound like you've been listening to too many “motivational” speakers.

When you go to seminars, you feel like a winner.
When you feel like a winner, you go to Vegas
When you go to Vegas, you lose everything
And when you lose everything, you sell your hair to a wig shop.

Don't sell your hair to a wig shop.

43 posted on 05/17/2012 7:49:16 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: reaganaut1
Cut welfare such as food stamps so that people are forced to work.....

Leave it to the Austin Silly council to produce a survey that only 47% of Austinites eligible for food stamps / Lone Star cards are enrolled in the program. I kid you not.

44 posted on 05/17/2012 7:58:39 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It's time to take out the trash in DC.)
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To: dfwgator

Ain’t that the damn truth.


45 posted on 05/17/2012 7:59:00 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: vpintheak

Good boys learn from good men.

These men never had anything but momma and Uncle.

They essentially get raised as momma’s boys and then turn feral on the street at 11-16.


46 posted on 05/17/2012 8:40:05 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: yldstrk
Saw it all the time at the Indian Reservation near where I grew up.

We destroyed those people. LBJ took those lessons and destroyed the Black family. Now they are going after the rest of us.

When all you know is addiction and crime, it is very hard to get out.

47 posted on 05/17/2012 8:54:16 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Tax-chick
Low-skill jobs - unless they have very demanding physical requirements, such as great strength - will naturally tend to offer low pay as well. High-paying manufacturing jobs were the result of a union-government cabal's favoring some low-skilled workers at the expense of the larger economy, both consumers and excluded workers.

Low-skill manufacturing jobs can lead to the acquisition of more skills and better paying jobs.

When you don't have the entry-level jobs because you have no manufacturing, then you have no chance for advancement either.

I agree we should not expect "high paying, low skilled" jobs, but entry-level manufacturing jobs should pay better than not working.

48 posted on 05/17/2012 10:23:41 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: reaganaut1
Foremost is the lack of willingness to get off the stoop and go looking for good-paying, low-skill manufacturing jobs, the type of work that makes getting off the stoop worthwhile.
49 posted on 05/17/2012 11:16:51 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: yldstrk
You try working when you are addicted and surrounded by people smoking embalming fluid

You try making a life out of the broken morass at the bottom.

So, pick up and leave those surroundings, don't stay there whining about the unfairness of it all.

50 posted on 05/17/2012 11:33:40 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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