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Arizona official to Hawaii: Show birth verification
WND ^ | May 16, 2012 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 05/17/2012 7:34:20 AM PDT by Smokeyblue

A state official in Arizona has asked Hawaii for verification of the information on Barack Obama’s birth certificate, the document that Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s special investigative team has concluded may be a forgery.

Members of the Surprise, Ariz., Tea Party, who petitioned Arpaio to investigate Obama’s eligibility, say they are awaiting word from the state secretary of state regarding whether Obama’s name will be on the 2012 presidential ballot in Arizona.

Secretary of State Ken Bennett had promised to ask Hawaii officials for verification of Obama’s documentation, vowing that if answers are not forthcoming, Obama’s name will not be on the ballot.

The assurance came in an email to various constituents in Arizona who had contacted Bennett’s office expressing concern that the name of an ineligible candidate would be presented to voters in November.

“Because of the importance and profile of the president’s case, and at the request of many constituents, I have gone the extra step of asking the state of Hawaii to verify the facts contained in his birth certificate,” Bennett wrote in response to concerns last month. “Hawaii is bound by their own statutes to provide such verifications to other state officials in their official duties.

“With all due respect, the [Arpaio] investigation has not proven anything other than raised probable cause that the birth certificate posted on the White House website ‘may be’ a forgery. The next lawful step would be for the sheriff’s office to turn their findings over to the county attorney for prosecution,” he continued. “Evidence would be brought on both sides and a judge should issue a decision.

“Whether or not that happens, if Hawaii can’t or won’t provide verification of the president’s birth certificate, I will not put his name on the ballot,” he wrote.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: 2012; arizona; arpaio; birthcertificate; certifigate; eligibility; fraud; hawaii; hi; kenbennett; naturalborncitizen; nwo; obama; sheriffjoe; statedepartment; usurper
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“Whether or not that happens, if Hawaii can’t or won’t provide verification of the president’s birth certificate, I will not put his name on the ballot,” he wrote.

- Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett

1 posted on 05/17/2012 7:34:37 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

SNIP

Bennett’s communications director, Matt Roberts, told WND today that the secretary of state indeed has asked Hawaii for the answers. In fact, he said, there was a conversation about proper procedures to submit the request.

“We are awaiting their response,” he said.


2 posted on 05/17/2012 7:35:35 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

Don’t Presidents have to go through a Security clearance ? If not it’s insane


3 posted on 05/17/2012 7:39:21 AM PDT by molson209
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To: Smokeyblue

Maybe they can put the guy in the Texas jail on the ballot....he got 40% of the vote in WV.


4 posted on 05/17/2012 7:39:44 AM PDT by spokeshave (If Obama is Lenin....who are Trotsky and Stalin...?)
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To: Smokeyblue
Secretary of State Ken Bennett had promised to ask Hawaii officials for verification of Obama’s documentation,...

Promised to ask??? What's the holdup? Time to get on with it. We all know what the Hawaii response will be. They will just ignore the request. If Bennett sticks to his guns this could be a big deal. I've got my fingers crossed (for the umpteenth time).

5 posted on 05/17/2012 7:40:31 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: LucyT

Ping


6 posted on 05/17/2012 7:42:12 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue
“Whether or not that happens, if Hawaii can’t or won’t provide verification of the president’s birth certificate, I will not put his name on the ballot,” he wrote. - Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett

I like this guy. Any bets on whetehr or not Feds show up witha bunch of mandatory write-in ballots if he follows through?

7 posted on 05/17/2012 7:42:52 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: molson209

Nope. Presidents don’t have to get security clearance.
And since Clinton, neither do their staff.

Leftists don’t tend to qualify for security clearances.
I doubt even Bill himself could have gotten one.


8 posted on 05/17/2012 7:45:10 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Smokeyblue

Terrific news!


9 posted on 05/17/2012 7:46:23 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Smokeyblue; bert; Deb; Noumenon; Travis McGee; LS; MHGinTN; Squantos; betty boop; joanie-f

“If Hawaii can’t or won’t provide verification of the president’s birth certificate, I will not put his name on the ballot,”

- Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett

PTL! Imagine if Arizone, a sovceriegn state, refuses to put Obama’s name on the ballot.

Imagine if ten or fifteen other states are embolden to do the same thing.

Can you say, “House of cards?”

This is GREAT news and wish the Arizona officials all the best in their efforts. Sheriff Joe and these folks are morden day minute-men and patriots! God bless ‘em, God protect ‘em.

America at the Crossroads of History
http://www.jeffhead.com/crossroads.htm


10 posted on 05/17/2012 7:48:09 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: so_real

I want to think it’s terrific news but we might just get a Linda Lingle type response.

Ex. Hawaii says it’s legit so I will just take their word for it and not demand legal proof.

Time will tell.


11 posted on 05/17/2012 7:50:49 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

> “A state official in Arizona has asked Hawaii for ***verification*** of the information ...”

It really depends on what is verification.

Hawaii is a corrupt state inhabited by corrupt democrats. Their state offices are populated by people placed through nepotism and political connections. They have no problem with committing fraud for a “brah” as long as there is someone covering their back.

So to them a verification could be a simple letter stating they have seen the birth certificate and it is the same as the one that is released.

What needs to be done is to convene a grand jury in AZ and have a court order sent to the State of Hawaii requesting a certified copy of the long form BC and the microfiche reels of the births in that period of time.


12 posted on 05/17/2012 7:54:47 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Smokeyblue
Hawaii will respond with sworn affidavit that the birth information is correct as previously given on the Photoshopped fraud certificate. No original birth certificate will be provided because the whole lot of Hawaiian officials will all go to jail as co-conspirators if they do that.

The only way this ever gets an authentic answer is if Congress, or maybe a new, honest President, demands the original certificate be sent to them for inspection. Anything else will be deflected with lies. They'll have to throw several of the Hawaiian officials in jail before anybody will send them the real one, and no SOS can do that.

13 posted on 05/17/2012 7:55:01 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: Smokeyblue

Interesting to note here is that, with this request, the AZ-SOS has now entered the Obamugabe BC into the official “public record”. My understanding is that since it was never introduced as evidence in any court proceeding, their digitized document was safe from prosecution.

The AZ-SOS gave Maricopa County Prosecutor the “green light” to bring charges of fraud and forgery regardless of HI’s response.

Pass the popcorn.


14 posted on 05/17/2012 7:59:09 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: molson209
Don’t Presidents have to go through a Security clearance

When I worked at ITT Industries, I was in charge of doing background checks for visitors to the manufacturing plant. The president of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama would not have gotten clearance - to visit a MACHINE SHOP - but he's got the country's nuclear football. It is, it's just insane

15 posted on 05/17/2012 8:00:28 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: molson209
Don’t Presidents have to go through a Security clearance ? If not it’s insane

Nope. Presidents do not. And my guess is that staff doesn't either anymore. (They used to. See Gary Aldrich's Unlimited Access.)

ML/NJ

16 posted on 05/17/2012 8:01:02 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: molson209

:: Don’t Presidents have to go through a Security clearance ? ::

Nope. Having been elected by The People negates such action. Reason: If a duly elected POTUS failed a Security Clearance check, would that over-turn a legal election?


17 posted on 05/17/2012 8:01:35 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Why do I get the feeling that Hawaii will just direct Ken to the DOH website’s Barack Obama misinformation page or that they’ll send a copy of Fuddy’s letter saying that she provided two copies of Obama’s certified long-form to Obama’s courier girl?? Hopefully he’ll demand an official verification, but I’m not holding out hope.


18 posted on 05/17/2012 8:02:05 AM PDT by edge919
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To: molson209
No they do not !
No candidate does, the act of electing someone gives them the security “vetting” be they congress-pig, senator-creep or pResident! That's why elections are important and voting to deny power is as important (maybe more so!) then voting to give power.
Read the Constitution! You see any procedures for security vetting? The Founding Fathers actually thought we would take elections seriously!
Anyway think about it, what politician would put himself at risk for a security clearance. If the clearance process uncovers anything that is is illegal the investigators are bound by law to report it. Also the “party-out-of-power” could claim that the “party-in-of-power” was denying clearances to their candidates. How would it proved that wasn't that case? In today's political world it would happen!

We are reaching a third world level of political corruption and their is no cross party consensus against it. Also the public mouths platitudes about being against it but does little, particularly at the state, county and local level.

We desperately need term limits (a decade in an elected office is enough!) at all levels, its not a panacea, but at least it makes corruption more complicated to undertake.

19 posted on 05/17/2012 8:05:38 AM PDT by Reily
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To: molson209

If they truly did, do you think any of them would become President?

I have had background checks that took six months to complete to work for the Feds, and still getting therapy for the microscope in my posterior.

No, I believe at some point, the politicians in Washington reach a status level that their background (and loyalties) and not investigated.

Look at this way. If I as a police officer admitted to using coke like Obama did, I would not be a police officer, yet he is the CINC, and determines who my ultimate LE boss is? Something wonky there.


20 posted on 05/17/2012 8:14:45 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: MrB
Leftists don’t tend to qualify for security clearances.
I doubt even Bill himself could have gotten one.

Was that not the crux of Gary Aldrich’s book “Unlimited Access” (1996)?

The background investigation of the Clintons, Aldrich would have submitted had he been given the opportunity. concluded that the Clintons would not have been granted unlimited access.

Aldrich, spent 30 years with the FBI, the last five as an FBI agent responsible for background checks on White House staff (Clinton era).

21 posted on 05/17/2012 8:27:19 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
Reason: If a duly elected POTUS failed a Security Clearance check, would that over-turn a legal election?

Wouldn't the presence of an illegal candidate invalidate a "legal" election?

22 posted on 05/17/2012 8:34:20 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: molson209

No, they don’t. The election is considered the security clearance. I got that from an audio interview with an FBI guy who said that, and I also got that from Nebraska’s SOS, John Gale - who also said that the media would never let an ineligible person go unvetted...

We are in serious doo-doo unless the people realize we are our only defenders. The system does not protect us against itself.


23 posted on 05/17/2012 8:36:37 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: edge919

What I’ve seen from him suggests he’s going to demand legal verification, as authorized in HRS 338-18. Janice Okubo has told me that they don’t do letters of verification in lieu of certified BC because that’s what the Certification of Live Birth is. So in accordance with Hawaii law, Bennett is expecting a certified COLB for Obama, unless they decide to do a letter of verification.

But Bennett has been informed that there is even a problem with that. This is what I sent him this morning:

Ken, just a few facts that come into play here.

At this point, given what both the HDOH and former OIP Director Paul Tsukiyama have disclosed through legal responses to UIPA requests, Obama’s birth record is amended and also includes affidavits to support the birth claims (which would only be necessary for a LATE birth certificate). Tsukiyama’s response in particular referenced HRS 338-13, which is the section dealing specifically with late and altered BC’s. If you need to see that response I could share that with you.

In addition, the 1960-64 birth index has been altered to include legally non-valid BC’s, and Virginia Sunahara’s name was missing from the database (though still included in the altered index) when queried for me - which strongly suggests that the alteration of the birth index was to allow BOTH Virginia’s and Obama’s names to be included in the birth index even though only one could actually be in the DATABASE of legally-valid records at any given time. (Because only Virginia’s BC# is for a legally-valid record; Obama’s has an L in front of it for “late”.)

All of which would only be necessary if Obama’s birth record is late and/or altered, and thus not legally valid.

If Obama’s birth record is late and/or amended, Hawaii law (HRS 338-16) says that the probative value must be determined by the judicial or administrative person or body to whom the BC is presented as evidence. IOW, the State of Hawaii cannot verify anything from a late or altered BC, and the only way the birth facts can be legally ascertained is by the actual BC being presented AS EVIDENCE - along with all the supporting affidavits/filings, which are required to be listed on the BC itself.

So the HDOH is in a dilemma. If Obama’s BC is late and/or altered they CANNOT legally verify anything for you. Based on what the HDOH and OIP have already disclosed, the HDOH should not be able to verify anything for you.

If they DO legally verify anything for you, then the previous legal responses from both the HDOH and OIP offices have been fraudulent. So at that point you have to decide which story to believe from them, since they have given contradictory official, legal responses.

If you’re waiting for criminal charges to be filed before requiring an audit of the records, it’s never going to happen, because Arizona cannot file charges against the HDOH, and the feds will never do that as long as Eric Holder is in control of all federal law enforcement. He’s too busy protecting “his people” from criminal prosecution. Even if it is proven in a court of law that both Obama and the HDOH committed forgery and fraud with the BC put online, that still doesn’t tell us what Hawaii actually has for Obama; it would only tell us that the HDOH couldn’t be trusted - which we already know because they’ve altered AT LEAST their birth index and their database. And the HHS inspector general’s report notes that even a genuine record can easily be fraudulent, so the only way to have confidence is by auditing ALL the citizenship records.

So ultimately, the only way we’re ever going to know anything is by auditing all the citizenship records. Which is called for anyway because all of them have evidence of tampering: draft registration is forged, BC has been forged twice and the HDOh has indicated that what they really have is altered and/or late; passport file has been breached 3 times; social security number fails E-verify and originates from a location where Obama never lived. The only 4 legal records we can have any knowledge about, and there are signs of fraud with ALL of them. The only way we’ll ever know the truth about ANY of those records is by auditing the paper and electronic trail/processing for those records. Which is more than any SOS can or should be stuck doing.

When I was helping to fashion Nebraska’s eligibility bill, we wanted to simply provide a platform so that any person would have standing to require an audit of a candidate’s proof of eligibility. The only way to do that is through a lawsuit that the candidate would HAVE to have resolved before getting their name on the ballot - otherwise they would just stall on a court case and the default would be for their name to appear on the ballot. So the key to making the PROCESS work is by putting the burden of proof on the candidate, in a setting where the records can be required to be audited. The way that happens is by a SOS denying placement on the ballot - which the candidate would then sue over and the whole question would be thrown to the PROPER place for Constitutional issues to be decided: the courts.

IOW, refusing placement on the ballot simply moves the legal determination of eligibility to those who have the legal authority to demand access to audit the records. Which is exactly what is required by Hawaii law, if the previous reponses by the HDOH and OIP (indicating an altered and/or late BC) have been accurate. And what the HHS inspector general emphatically recommended to be required - especially for cases where there are signs of possible fraud and where much is at stake. You’ll never get a clearer example of both those criteria than this situation with Barack Obama.

Once again, I’m sorry this is so long. The devil is in the details, and they take some time to explain.

Nellie


24 posted on 05/17/2012 8:43:42 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Reily
We desperately need term limits (a decade in an elected office is enough!)...

A decade in any one office is too long! Two terms is plenty; the house, two 3 year terms, two 4 year terms in the senate. No exempting themselves from any of the laws they pass; no retirement fund or medical except that which any of us can get if we choose to do so.

25 posted on 05/17/2012 8:45:02 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Smokeyblue
And a bucket containing the head of Ken Bennett's dog will be delivered to his office. A few minutes later he will recieve a phone call telling him the next bucket will contain his wife's head unless Obama is on the ballot.

It's the Chicago way.

26 posted on 05/17/2012 8:51:31 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Smokeyblue

In the interest of equal access, Arizona should request documentation of eligibility from the Romney folks that would include a state-certified copy of his official long-form birth certificate, before Romney’s name can appear on the ballot.


27 posted on 05/17/2012 9:00:35 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
My understanding is that since it was never introduced as evidence in any court proceeding, their digitized document was safe from prosecution.

Correct.

28 posted on 05/17/2012 9:02:36 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: JimRed
Though term limits has nothing to do with Obama’s eligibility, I thought I might nonetheless offer an opinion.

I too thought term limits would solve “the problem”. But, if the electorate is corrupt and chooses to send surrogate thieves to Washington, they will continue to do so election after election, increasing the number of thieves getting federal pensions for their stint in office. On the other hand, if the electorate is faithful to constitutional principles and sends a principled person to Washington, why place a limit on that person? Certainly, some people can be corrupted by the power of the office and the time they hold it and it is the electorate's responsibility to throw them out. Term limits cannot solve the problem of a corrupt electorate but can force good people out of office.

29 posted on 05/17/2012 9:06:26 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: JimRed

That’s why I used that term....


30 posted on 05/17/2012 9:09:09 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

It would be too blatant if anybody near and dear to him shows up unexpectedly dead. That’s why Larry Sinclair and Sheriff Joe are still alive. It’s why a lot of us are still alive. Going public is the safest thing to do.

The threats are still there, I’m sure - as evidenced by Judge Michael Malihi’s 180-degree turnaround to eventually give a sharia ruling of eligibility - apparently based on “judge’s knowledge”, since no evidence of eligibility was presented. But they wouldn’t work if they were threats to the LIFE of him or any of his loved ones.

The only way they would work is if death came by heart attack dart or something similar.

They already got rid of Judge John Roll through a “random” shooting which the supposed intended target (Gabby Giffords) survived. Supposedly crazed shooter was the means for assassination of Bill Gwatney, the good friend of Bill Clinton and Arkansas Democratic Party chairman who had just promised to help Hillary present a petititon at the DNC Convention in a couple weeks which would have challenged the illegalities of the Obama folks. That was a private agreement; if it had been public the timing of the assassination would have been too obvious. So now both the means and the timing for physical threats are jeopardized because of public awareness regarding Gwatney and Breitbart, as well as the public nature of the threat Bennett poses to Obama’s election.

And BTW, for those who wonder why I haven’t let go of the Breitbart death (probable assassination by heart attack dart), it’s because I recognize that if we let Soros’ folks get away with medical assassinations neither my family nor anybody who speaks against Obama will be safe - and that includes the people at Breitbart who have altered their stories repeatedly in order to fit the Soros narrative, and includes people like Sheriff Joe and Ken Bennett.

If me being called a crazy conspiracist (in spite of the facts I cite to support my beliefs) is what it takes to keep these people safe, then so be it. The truth matters - especially in critical, dangerous times like these.


31 posted on 05/17/2012 9:09:17 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Smokeyblue

I have a few questions in addition to the birth certificate brouhaha that should have been answered by a bipartisan media:

1. Can anyone name one classmate from grammar school, high school, Occidental, Columbia, or Harvard Law School?
2. Can anyone name a childhood friend.
3. Can anyone name a girlfriend?
4. Can any teacher or professor opine as to Obama’s erudition that won him entrance to his elite schools?
5. Can anyone regale us about his leadership as President of Harvard Law School?
6. Who paid for all of his schooling?
7. How did Obama make ends meet while at school? Did he have an employer?
8. Did Obama have life insurance? If so, who was the beneficiary?
9. Did Obama ever own a car? Did he ever have a driver’s License? Were there applications filled out?
10. Was Obama ever arrested? After all, he led protests.

There are a million other questions that would have been answered by any Republican candidate but those will do for now.


32 posted on 05/17/2012 9:09:24 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: JimRed
well I was averaging what we presently have, 2 US Senate (and almost all state senate!)terms in 12 years, 2 presidential or state officer terms are 8 years so are most county and local. The House is a two year term, if you have ever read anything bout the House's relation with the Senate, it does not take kindly to be treated as the junior partner in the legislature. (That goes for federal as well as state!) So to get anything to pass the House would require something on par with what the Senate would be required to do. Also the House was to be subject to repeated elections, many of the Founding Fathers wanted House elections annually. (Wouldn't that be a mess in today's world!). So 5 terms at two year intervals with the politician then be required to sit out 3 terms to regain eligibility is my proposal. (Three 3 years terms and sit out two would work for me also!) In the US Senate sit out i full term after 12 years (2 terms).
33 posted on 05/17/2012 9:14:54 AM PDT by Reily
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To: butterdezillion

Rumford woman awaits word on brother’s cause of death

http://m.sunjournal.com/news/river-valley/2012/05/16/rumford-woman-awaits-word-brothers-cause-death/1194822

Gina Cormier Child waits every day for her phone to ring.

She hopes it’s the Los Angeles police or the Los Angeles coroner’s office calling her in Rumford to say whether her brother Michael A. Cormier was murdered last month or died of natural causes.

Cormier, also a Rumford native, was a well-respected crime-scene photographer and forensic technician for the Los Angeles County Department of Coroner, his sister said.

He worked on Michael Jackson’s autopsy, a friend said.

Cormier also ran a small business out of his home: MAC Autopsy Services.

According to an April 30 story in the Los Angeles Times, Cormier appeared to have died from poisoning on the night of April 20. He was taken from his North Hollywood home to a Burbank hospital where he died.

Los Angeles police told the Times that investigators haven’t ruled out foul play. An officer and a coroner’s official told the Sun Journal on Friday the investigation continues and they had nothing else to release.

“I want to know what happened,” Child said Sunday afternoon. “He worked there 10 years and we didn’t know about the arsenic poisoning until we saw it online. I was quite upset because they hadn’t notified the family.”

The news came as a shock. Twenty-two days before Cormier died, their brother Gary Anthony Cormier, 57, died on March 29 of cancer, Child said. Gary, of Palmdale, Calif., was also a Rumford native and former well-known radio personality.

Child, 53, said Michael, their oldest brother, called her on April 17 — three days before he died.

She said he was excited about returning to Rumford next month to perform songs at Gary’s funeral service at 2 p.m. June 30 in the Dixfield Congregational Church. Now the service is for both brothers.

“Unbelievable,” Child said. “We are still grieving for Gary, and then to have Michael pass away, this can’t be real.”

SNIP

Now, it’s the details of Mike Cormier’s death that Child and Belskis want to know.

“I’m waiting like everyone else to hear the final report on Mike,” Belskis said.

“I know one thing, he was way too young to die and someone may have had something to do with that.”


34 posted on 05/17/2012 9:35:05 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: butterdezillion

http://www.lsnewsgroup.com/2012/05/16/putting-a-conspiracy-theory-to-rest/

Today Sinclair News received the full and final Autopsy Report on Andrew Breitbart from the Los Angeles County Coroner’s office per our earlier request. We were sent the report at the same time as NBC News, NY Times, Fox News, and others who had submitted requests for the final report. The Report is provided in PDF form HERE


35 posted on 05/17/2012 9:39:19 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: JimRed

I do not think our founding fathers ever imagined this country would have 50% plus living off the government, nor do I believe they could ever imagine socialism again after they had experienced the total failure that sociailsm was in two early colonies.


36 posted on 05/17/2012 9:41:18 AM PDT by Lumper20
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To: Smokeyblue

Seems like a non-story to me. All Hawaii has to do is say “it’s accurate”, and he will take their word for it. Hawaiian officials have already proven that they are in Obama’s pocket, so I don’t think anything will come of this.


37 posted on 05/17/2012 9:46:57 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Reily

You are on the bulls eye.

As I’ve stated before (with apologies, it wasn’t from Burke):

With recognition of Lord Acton’s prophetic principal from 1887 about the relationship of power and corruption, may I reword it to fit what we have seen in these latter days of the USA:

Power corrupts and ANY SIGNIFICANT amount of power will begin the corruption process, usually not reversible, of most people today, beyond any hope of reversal or redemption. Great men/women are, these days, seldom anything but selfish, power hungry bad men/women.

(Just review in your own mind for a few moments, the behavior of any member of the public service sector, from local and county through state and up to federal gubmint, and count up any SIGNIFICANT players who have NOT been corrupted.)

I challenge everyone to nominate an elected DC gubmint member who has proven that they hold dear and adhere to the ideals enumerated in the Declaration and the Constitution, with some CONCRETE examples of their defense of We the People.

I know of none, since Sara Palin never made it to DC (McLame certainly wasn’t one).

I do believe that there are still some well intentioned ones operating at the state/local level, but the spread of Cancer of the Character via the Corruption Virus escalates infinitely upon induction into the federal machine.


38 posted on 05/17/2012 9:53:35 AM PDT by CanuckYank
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To: Smokeyblue

Just heard they will get the certificate as soon as the ink dries.


39 posted on 05/17/2012 9:55:35 AM PDT by bikerman (you can take the man out of the jungle but can't take the jungle out of the man)
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To: butterdezillion

Commentator Andrew Breitbart died of heart failure, narrowing of artery, coroner finds

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2884923/posts?page=1

Conservative commentator and website editor Andrew Breitbart died of heart failure and had up to a 60 percent narrowing of a major artery, a Los Angeles County coroner’s office report released Wednesday said.

The office ruled that the cause of Breitbart’s death was heart failure and hypertrophic cardiomyopathy with focal coronary atherosclerosis, or hardening of the arteries.

Coroner’s officials deemed the death “natural.”

Breitbart collapsed near his Westwood home on the west side of Los Angeles March 1. He was 43. Paramedics found Breitbart unable to breath and shocked him with a defibrillator four times. He was in full arrest and paramedics were administering CPR when he arrived in the emergency room at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center. The report noted that despite heroic efforts, Breitbart was declared dead at 12:19 a.m. In the report, authorities said that a year before, he had a congestive heart failure and began a course of diet and exercise. The report notes that Breitbart had flu two weeks before and “has been under a lot of stress.”


40 posted on 05/17/2012 10:06:44 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: trubolotta
...increasing the number of thieves getting federal pensions for their stint in office.

One of my core beliefs is eliminating federal pensions for elected office, stated in my prior comment. Let them contribute to and collect from social security and any pension plan they choose to pay for, like the rest of us.

As for those "good people", we need them in the private sector creating wealth, not in government absorbing it!

41 posted on 05/17/2012 10:15:02 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Jeff Head

Once again, my home state leads the way.


42 posted on 05/17/2012 10:22:25 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: LS

Good on ‘em! I created a page on my site now to get this word out. We should encourage each of our states to do the same.

Arizon to Hawaii: Provide verification of Obama’s Birth
http://www.jeffhead.com/verifybirth.htm


43 posted on 05/17/2012 10:46:30 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Smokeyblue

Thanks. There are a few things in there that are VERY interesting. I’m not a medical person but as I read this autopsy, these things seem to be indicated:

1. The investigator contacted Andrew’s wife by phone about 10:00am the next morning. She claimed that Andrew had been taken to the ER a year before and had congestive heart failure. But the coroner notes that they had the medical records, and by that time Ed Winter, deputy chief coroner, had already reported to the media that Breitbart had not seen a doctor for over a year. So the claims that he had seen a doctor and had congestive heart failure came from his wife mid-morning the following day and was contradicted by the actual medical records.

2. There was no witness to the autopsy.

3. This claims that there were no photos taken of the body when retrieved from the ER. This violates the protocols for the LA County Coroner’s Office, according to an audit of that agency done 3 years ago. If photos were taken of the body according to protocol, they have since been destroyed.

The person who transported the body from the ER - who is the person who should photograph the body - was not named in the autopsy, so Ed Winter would say that Michael Cormier was not associated with the case in any way (since his name was not listed anywhere in the autopsy). So we have no idea who transported the body, whether they photographed the body according to protocols and the photos were subsequently destroyed, or why they didn’t photograph the body if they didn’t photograph it.

The important thing to note is that the only proof of whether a heart attack was artificially induced by a heart attack dart is those photos, and though they are standard protocol in THIS CASE the autopsy claims they were never taken.

4. The maximum level of blockage found in the arteries was 60%. I’m not a medical person, like I said, but this suggests to me that a heart attack was not caused by blockage or anything with the arteries or heart themselves, but rather because of the electrical impulses being “off” - which is the means used in a potassium chloride heart attack assassination dart.

This autopsy thus raises more questions than it answers. There is nothing in here that I can see that rules out a heart attack dart, and the photos that should have documented whether there was a tiny red mark where a dart entered the body were not taken, in violation of standard protocols. The level of blockage in the arteries suggests this heart attack was NOT caused by the condition of the arteries or heart but by the electrical impulses which control the timing of the heartbeats, which is the means whereby a heart attack dart causes a heart attack.

As always, if somebody else has input that clarifies or rebuts anything I’ve said, I hope to hear it.


44 posted on 05/17/2012 10:48:03 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: JimRed
“Wouldn't the presence of an illegal candidate invalidate a “legal” election?”

No it would not. The election would be valid - the President would be found unfit/unable/ineligible to serve and the Vice President (elected via that election which would NOT be invalidated) would become the President - assuming he is fit/able/eligible to serve.

45 posted on 05/17/2012 10:50:58 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: butterdezillion

Agree. 60% blockage shouldn’t cause cardiac arrest and death. Symptoms, perhaps, but not cardiac arrest/death.


46 posted on 05/17/2012 11:07:48 AM PDT by RacerXSpeedRacer (Conservative principals and values - pray for our future.)
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To: Jeff Head

you all see the headline on Drudge??


47 posted on 05/17/2012 11:10:39 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Jeff Head; LS; greyfoxx39
Arizon to Hawaii: Provide verification of Obama’s Birth

Planet Earth to Planet Kolob: Provide verification of Romney's claim to be "spirit born" on Kolob...

Doesn't that make Romney an alien "non-citizen" of this planet...sent to take over a human body here?

And Jeff, be honest, with all the posters here: Don't you believe you're one of these "spirit birth" aliens, too?

48 posted on 05/17/2012 11:32:22 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: LucyT; butterdezillion

ping to butterdezillion’s analysis and e-mail to Bennett in the comment:

“What I’ve seen from him suggests he’s going to demand legal verification, as authorized in HRS 338-18. Janice Okubo has told me that they don’t do letters of verification in lieu of certified BC because that’s what the Certification of Live Birth is. So in accordance with Hawaii law, Bennett is expecting a certified COLB for Obama, unless they decide to do a letter of verification.

“But Bennett has been informed that there is even a problem with that. This is what I sent him this morning:”


49 posted on 05/17/2012 11:41:35 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Smokeyblue

He will, when he receives a big stack of money from Obama’s campaign HQ.


50 posted on 05/17/2012 12:00:56 PM PDT by Kevmo (Palin 2012. It's just me in the voting booth. 100% straight republican ticket.)
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