Skip to comments.Arizona official to Hawaii: Show birth verification
Posted on 05/17/2012 7:34:20 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
A state official in Arizona has asked Hawaii for verification of the information on Barack Obamas birth certificate, the document that Sheriff Joe Arpaios special investigative team has concluded may be a forgery.
Members of the Surprise, Ariz., Tea Party, who petitioned Arpaio to investigate Obamas eligibility, say they are awaiting word from the state secretary of state regarding whether Obamas name will be on the 2012 presidential ballot in Arizona.
Secretary of State Ken Bennett had promised to ask Hawaii officials for verification of Obamas documentation, vowing that if answers are not forthcoming, Obamas name will not be on the ballot.
The assurance came in an email to various constituents in Arizona who had contacted Bennetts office expressing concern that the name of an ineligible candidate would be presented to voters in November.
Because of the importance and profile of the presidents case, and at the request of many constituents, I have gone the extra step of asking the state of Hawaii to verify the facts contained in his birth certificate, Bennett wrote in response to concerns last month. Hawaii is bound by their own statutes to provide such verifications to other state officials in their official duties.
With all due respect, the [Arpaio] investigation has not proven anything other than raised probable cause that the birth certificate posted on the White House website may be a forgery. The next lawful step would be for the sheriffs office to turn their findings over to the county attorney for prosecution, he continued. Evidence would be brought on both sides and a judge should issue a decision.
Whether or not that happens, if Hawaii cant or wont provide verification of the presidents birth certificate, I will not put his name on the ballot, he wrote.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
- Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett
Bennetts communications director, Matt Roberts, told WND today that the secretary of state indeed has asked Hawaii for the answers. In fact, he said, there was a conversation about proper procedures to submit the request.
We are awaiting their response, he said.
Don’t Presidents have to go through a Security clearance ? If not it’s insane
Maybe they can put the guy in the Texas jail on the ballot....he got 40% of the vote in WV.
Promised to ask??? What's the holdup? Time to get on with it. We all know what the Hawaii response will be. They will just ignore the request. If Bennett sticks to his guns this could be a big deal. I've got my fingers crossed (for the umpteenth time).
I like this guy. Any bets on whetehr or not Feds show up witha bunch of mandatory write-in ballots if he follows through?
Nope. Presidents don’t have to get security clearance.
And since Clinton, neither do their staff.
Leftists don’t tend to qualify for security clearances.
I doubt even Bill himself could have gotten one.
If Hawaii cant or wont provide verification of the presidents birth certificate, I will not put his name on the ballot,
- Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett
PTL! Imagine if Arizone, a sovceriegn state, refuses to put Obama’s name on the ballot.
Imagine if ten or fifteen other states are embolden to do the same thing.
Can you say, “House of cards?”
This is GREAT news and wish the Arizona officials all the best in their efforts. Sheriff Joe and these folks are morden day minute-men and patriots! God bless ‘em, God protect ‘em.
America at the Crossroads of History
I want to think it’s terrific news but we might just get a Linda Lingle type response.
Ex. Hawaii says it’s legit so I will just take their word for it and not demand legal proof.
Time will tell.
> “A state official in Arizona has asked Hawaii for ***verification*** of the information ...”
It really depends on what is verification.
Hawaii is a corrupt state inhabited by corrupt democrats. Their state offices are populated by people placed through nepotism and political connections. They have no problem with committing fraud for a “brah” as long as there is someone covering their back.
So to them a verification could be a simple letter stating they have seen the birth certificate and it is the same as the one that is released.
What needs to be done is to convene a grand jury in AZ and have a court order sent to the State of Hawaii requesting a certified copy of the long form BC and the microfiche reels of the births in that period of time.
The only way this ever gets an authentic answer is if Congress, or maybe a new, honest President, demands the original certificate be sent to them for inspection. Anything else will be deflected with lies. They'll have to throw several of the Hawaiian officials in jail before anybody will send them the real one, and no SOS can do that.
Interesting to note here is that, with this request, the AZ-SOS has now entered the Obamugabe BC into the official “public record”. My understanding is that since it was never introduced as evidence in any court proceeding, their digitized document was safe from prosecution.
The AZ-SOS gave Maricopa County Prosecutor the “green light” to bring charges of fraud and forgery regardless of HI’s response.
Pass the popcorn.
When I worked at ITT Industries, I was in charge of doing background checks for visitors to the manufacturing plant. The president of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama would not have gotten clearance - to visit a MACHINE SHOP - but he's got the country's nuclear football. It is, it's just insane
Nope. Presidents do not. And my guess is that staff doesn't either anymore. (They used to. See Gary Aldrich's Unlimited Access.)
:: Dont Presidents have to go through a Security clearance ? ::
Nope. Having been elected by The People negates such action. Reason: If a duly elected POTUS failed a Security Clearance check, would that over-turn a legal election?
Why do I get the feeling that Hawaii will just direct Ken to the DOH website’s Barack Obama misinformation page or that they’ll send a copy of Fuddy’s letter saying that she provided two copies of Obama’s certified long-form to Obama’s courier girl?? Hopefully he’ll demand an official verification, but I’m not holding out hope.
We are reaching a third world level of political corruption and their is no cross party consensus against it. Also the public mouths platitudes about being against it but does little, particularly at the state, county and local level.
We desperately need term limits (a decade in an elected office is enough!) at all levels, its not a panacea, but at least it makes corruption more complicated to undertake.
If they truly did, do you think any of them would become President?
I have had background checks that took six months to complete to work for the Feds, and still getting therapy for the microscope in my posterior.
No, I believe at some point, the politicians in Washington reach a status level that their background (and loyalties) and not investigated.
Look at this way. If I as a police officer admitted to using coke like Obama did, I would not be a police officer, yet he is the CINC, and determines who my ultimate LE boss is? Something wonky there.
Leftists dont tend to qualify for security clearances.
I doubt even Bill himself could have gotten one.
Was that not the crux of Gary Aldrichs book Unlimited Access (1996)?
The background investigation of the Clintons, Aldrich would have submitted had he been given the opportunity. concluded that the Clintons would not have been granted unlimited access.
Aldrich, spent 30 years with the FBI, the last five as an FBI agent responsible for background checks on White House staff (Clinton era).
Wouldn't the presence of an illegal candidate invalidate a "legal" election?
No, they don’t. The election is considered the security clearance. I got that from an audio interview with an FBI guy who said that, and I also got that from Nebraska’s SOS, John Gale - who also said that the media would never let an ineligible person go unvetted...
We are in serious doo-doo unless the people realize we are our only defenders. The system does not protect us against itself.
What I’ve seen from him suggests he’s going to demand legal verification, as authorized in HRS 338-18. Janice Okubo has told me that they don’t do letters of verification in lieu of certified BC because that’s what the Certification of Live Birth is. So in accordance with Hawaii law, Bennett is expecting a certified COLB for Obama, unless they decide to do a letter of verification.
But Bennett has been informed that there is even a problem with that. This is what I sent him this morning:
Ken, just a few facts that come into play here.
At this point, given what both the HDOH and former OIP Director Paul Tsukiyama have disclosed through legal responses to UIPA requests, Obama’s birth record is amended and also includes affidavits to support the birth claims (which would only be necessary for a LATE birth certificate). Tsukiyama’s response in particular referenced HRS 338-13, which is the section dealing specifically with late and altered BC’s. If you need to see that response I could share that with you.
In addition, the 1960-64 birth index has been altered to include legally non-valid BC’s, and Virginia Sunahara’s name was missing from the database (though still included in the altered index) when queried for me - which strongly suggests that the alteration of the birth index was to allow BOTH Virginia’s and Obama’s names to be included in the birth index even though only one could actually be in the DATABASE of legally-valid records at any given time. (Because only Virginia’s BC# is for a legally-valid record; Obama’s has an L in front of it for “late”.)
All of which would only be necessary if Obama’s birth record is late and/or altered, and thus not legally valid.
If Obama’s birth record is late and/or amended, Hawaii law (HRS 338-16) says that the probative value must be determined by the judicial or administrative person or body to whom the BC is presented as evidence. IOW, the State of Hawaii cannot verify anything from a late or altered BC, and the only way the birth facts can be legally ascertained is by the actual BC being presented AS EVIDENCE - along with all the supporting affidavits/filings, which are required to be listed on the BC itself.
So the HDOH is in a dilemma. If Obama’s BC is late and/or altered they CANNOT legally verify anything for you. Based on what the HDOH and OIP have already disclosed, the HDOH should not be able to verify anything for you.
If they DO legally verify anything for you, then the previous legal responses from both the HDOH and OIP offices have been fraudulent. So at that point you have to decide which story to believe from them, since they have given contradictory official, legal responses.
If you’re waiting for criminal charges to be filed before requiring an audit of the records, it’s never going to happen, because Arizona cannot file charges against the HDOH, and the feds will never do that as long as Eric Holder is in control of all federal law enforcement. He’s too busy protecting “his people” from criminal prosecution. Even if it is proven in a court of law that both Obama and the HDOH committed forgery and fraud with the BC put online, that still doesn’t tell us what Hawaii actually has for Obama; it would only tell us that the HDOH couldn’t be trusted - which we already know because they’ve altered AT LEAST their birth index and their database. And the HHS inspector general’s report notes that even a genuine record can easily be fraudulent, so the only way to have confidence is by auditing ALL the citizenship records.
So ultimately, the only way we’re ever going to know anything is by auditing all the citizenship records. Which is called for anyway because all of them have evidence of tampering: draft registration is forged, BC has been forged twice and the HDOh has indicated that what they really have is altered and/or late; passport file has been breached 3 times; social security number fails E-verify and originates from a location where Obama never lived. The only 4 legal records we can have any knowledge about, and there are signs of fraud with ALL of them. The only way we’ll ever know the truth about ANY of those records is by auditing the paper and electronic trail/processing for those records. Which is more than any SOS can or should be stuck doing.
When I was helping to fashion Nebraska’s eligibility bill, we wanted to simply provide a platform so that any person would have standing to require an audit of a candidate’s proof of eligibility. The only way to do that is through a lawsuit that the candidate would HAVE to have resolved before getting their name on the ballot - otherwise they would just stall on a court case and the default would be for their name to appear on the ballot. So the key to making the PROCESS work is by putting the burden of proof on the candidate, in a setting where the records can be required to be audited. The way that happens is by a SOS denying placement on the ballot - which the candidate would then sue over and the whole question would be thrown to the PROPER place for Constitutional issues to be decided: the courts.
IOW, refusing placement on the ballot simply moves the legal determination of eligibility to those who have the legal authority to demand access to audit the records. Which is exactly what is required by Hawaii law, if the previous reponses by the HDOH and OIP (indicating an altered and/or late BC) have been accurate. And what the HHS inspector general emphatically recommended to be required - especially for cases where there are signs of possible fraud and where much is at stake. You’ll never get a clearer example of both those criteria than this situation with Barack Obama.
Once again, I’m sorry this is so long. The devil is in the details, and they take some time to explain.
A decade in any one office is too long! Two terms is plenty; the house, two 3 year terms, two 4 year terms in the senate. No exempting themselves from any of the laws they pass; no retirement fund or medical except that which any of us can get if we choose to do so.
It's the Chicago way.
In the interest of equal access, Arizona should request documentation of eligibility from the Romney folks that would include a state-certified copy of his official long-form birth certificate, before Romney’s name can appear on the ballot.
I too thought term limits would solve “the problem”. But, if the electorate is corrupt and chooses to send surrogate thieves to Washington, they will continue to do so election after election, increasing the number of thieves getting federal pensions for their stint in office. On the other hand, if the electorate is faithful to constitutional principles and sends a principled person to Washington, why place a limit on that person? Certainly, some people can be corrupted by the power of the office and the time they hold it and it is the electorate's responsibility to throw them out. Term limits cannot solve the problem of a corrupt electorate but can force good people out of office.
That’s why I used that term....
It would be too blatant if anybody near and dear to him shows up unexpectedly dead. That’s why Larry Sinclair and Sheriff Joe are still alive. It’s why a lot of us are still alive. Going public is the safest thing to do.
The threats are still there, I’m sure - as evidenced by Judge Michael Malihi’s 180-degree turnaround to eventually give a sharia ruling of eligibility - apparently based on “judge’s knowledge”, since no evidence of eligibility was presented. But they wouldn’t work if they were threats to the LIFE of him or any of his loved ones.
The only way they would work is if death came by heart attack dart or something similar.
They already got rid of Judge John Roll through a “random” shooting which the supposed intended target (Gabby Giffords) survived. Supposedly crazed shooter was the means for assassination of Bill Gwatney, the good friend of Bill Clinton and Arkansas Democratic Party chairman who had just promised to help Hillary present a petititon at the DNC Convention in a couple weeks which would have challenged the illegalities of the Obama folks. That was a private agreement; if it had been public the timing of the assassination would have been too obvious. So now both the means and the timing for physical threats are jeopardized because of public awareness regarding Gwatney and Breitbart, as well as the public nature of the threat Bennett poses to Obama’s election.
And BTW, for those who wonder why I haven’t let go of the Breitbart death (probable assassination by heart attack dart), it’s because I recognize that if we let Soros’ folks get away with medical assassinations neither my family nor anybody who speaks against Obama will be safe - and that includes the people at Breitbart who have altered their stories repeatedly in order to fit the Soros narrative, and includes people like Sheriff Joe and Ken Bennett.
If me being called a crazy conspiracist (in spite of the facts I cite to support my beliefs) is what it takes to keep these people safe, then so be it. The truth matters - especially in critical, dangerous times like these.
I have a few questions in addition to the birth certificate brouhaha that should have been answered by a bipartisan media:
1. Can anyone name one classmate from grammar school, high school, Occidental, Columbia, or Harvard Law School?
2. Can anyone name a childhood friend.
3. Can anyone name a girlfriend?
4. Can any teacher or professor opine as to Obama’s erudition that won him entrance to his elite schools?
5. Can anyone regale us about his leadership as President of Harvard Law School?
6. Who paid for all of his schooling?
7. How did Obama make ends meet while at school? Did he have an employer?
8. Did Obama have life insurance? If so, who was the beneficiary?
9. Did Obama ever own a car? Did he ever have a driver’s License? Were there applications filled out?
10. Was Obama ever arrested? After all, he led protests.
There are a million other questions that would have been answered by any Republican candidate but those will do for now.
Rumford woman awaits word on brother’s cause of death
Gina Cormier Child waits every day for her phone to ring.
She hopes it’s the Los Angeles police or the Los Angeles coroner’s office calling her in Rumford to say whether her brother Michael A. Cormier was murdered last month or died of natural causes.
Cormier, also a Rumford native, was a well-respected crime-scene photographer and forensic technician for the Los Angeles County Department of Coroner, his sister said.
He worked on Michael Jackson’s autopsy, a friend said.
Cormier also ran a small business out of his home: MAC Autopsy Services.
According to an April 30 story in the Los Angeles Times, Cormier appeared to have died from poisoning on the night of April 20. He was taken from his North Hollywood home to a Burbank hospital where he died.
Los Angeles police told the Times that investigators haven’t ruled out foul play. An officer and a coroner’s official told the Sun Journal on Friday the investigation continues and they had nothing else to release.
I want to know what happened, Child said Sunday afternoon. He worked there 10 years and we didn’t know about the arsenic poisoning until we saw it online. I was quite upset because they hadn’t notified the family.
The news came as a shock. Twenty-two days before Cormier died, their brother Gary Anthony Cormier, 57, died on March 29 of cancer, Child said. Gary, of Palmdale, Calif., was also a Rumford native and former well-known radio personality.
Child, 53, said Michael, their oldest brother, called her on April 17 three days before he died.
She said he was excited about returning to Rumford next month to perform songs at Gary’s funeral service at 2 p.m. June 30 in the Dixfield Congregational Church. Now the service is for both brothers.
“Unbelievable,” Child said. “We are still grieving for Gary, and then to have Michael pass away, this can’t be real.”
Now, it’s the details of Mike Cormier’s death that Child and Belskis want to know.
“I’m waiting like everyone else to hear the final report on Mike,” Belskis said.
“I know one thing, he was way too young to die and someone may have had something to do with that.”
Today Sinclair News received the full and final Autopsy Report on Andrew Breitbart from the Los Angeles County Coroners office per our earlier request. We were sent the report at the same time as NBC News, NY Times, Fox News, and others who had submitted requests for the final report. The Report is provided in PDF form HERE
I do not think our founding fathers ever imagined this country would have 50% plus living off the government, nor do I believe they could ever imagine socialism again after they had experienced the total failure that sociailsm was in two early colonies.
Seems like a non-story to me. All Hawaii has to do is say “it’s accurate”, and he will take their word for it. Hawaiian officials have already proven that they are in Obama’s pocket, so I don’t think anything will come of this.
You are on the bulls eye.
As I’ve stated before (with apologies, it wasn’t from Burke):
With recognition of Lord Actons prophetic principal from 1887 about the relationship of power and corruption, may I reword it to fit what we have seen in these latter days of the USA:
Power corrupts and ANY SIGNIFICANT amount of power will begin the corruption process, usually not reversible, of most people today, beyond any hope of reversal or redemption. Great men/women are, these days, seldom anything but selfish, power hungry bad men/women.
(Just review in your own mind for a few moments, the behavior of any member of the public service sector, from local and county through state and up to federal gubmint, and count up any SIGNIFICANT players who have NOT been corrupted.)
I challenge everyone to nominate an elected DC gubmint member who has proven that they hold dear and adhere to the ideals enumerated in the Declaration and the Constitution, with some CONCRETE examples of their defense of We the People.
I know of none, since Sara Palin never made it to DC (McLame certainly wasn’t one).
I do believe that there are still some well intentioned ones operating at the state/local level, but the spread of Cancer of the Character via the Corruption Virus escalates infinitely upon induction into the federal machine.
Just heard they will get the certificate as soon as the ink dries.
Commentator Andrew Breitbart died of heart failure, narrowing of artery, coroner finds
Conservative commentator and website editor Andrew Breitbart died of heart failure and had up to a 60 percent narrowing of a major artery, a Los Angeles County coroners office report released Wednesday said.
The office ruled that the cause of Breitbarts death was heart failure and hypertrophic cardiomyopathy with focal coronary atherosclerosis, or hardening of the arteries.
Coroners officials deemed the death “natural.”
Breitbart collapsed near his Westwood home on the west side of Los Angeles March 1. He was 43. Paramedics found Breitbart unable to breath and shocked him with a defibrillator four times. He was in full arrest and paramedics were administering CPR when he arrived in the emergency room at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center. The report noted that despite heroic efforts, Breitbart was declared dead at 12:19 a.m. In the report, authorities said that a year before, he had a congestive heart failure and began a course of diet and exercise. The report notes that Breitbart had flu two weeks before and “has been under a lot of stress.”
One of my core beliefs is eliminating federal pensions for elected office, stated in my prior comment. Let them contribute to and collect from social security and any pension plan they choose to pay for, like the rest of us.
As for those "good people", we need them in the private sector creating wealth, not in government absorbing it!
Once again, my home state leads the way.
Good on ‘em! I created a page on my site now to get this word out. We should encourage each of our states to do the same.
Arizon to Hawaii: Provide verification of Obama’s Birth
Thanks. There are a few things in there that are VERY interesting. I’m not a medical person but as I read this autopsy, these things seem to be indicated:
1. The investigator contacted Andrew’s wife by phone about 10:00am the next morning. She claimed that Andrew had been taken to the ER a year before and had congestive heart failure. But the coroner notes that they had the medical records, and by that time Ed Winter, deputy chief coroner, had already reported to the media that Breitbart had not seen a doctor for over a year. So the claims that he had seen a doctor and had congestive heart failure came from his wife mid-morning the following day and was contradicted by the actual medical records.
2. There was no witness to the autopsy.
3. This claims that there were no photos taken of the body when retrieved from the ER. This violates the protocols for the LA County Coroner’s Office, according to an audit of that agency done 3 years ago. If photos were taken of the body according to protocol, they have since been destroyed.
The person who transported the body from the ER - who is the person who should photograph the body - was not named in the autopsy, so Ed Winter would say that Michael Cormier was not associated with the case in any way (since his name was not listed anywhere in the autopsy). So we have no idea who transported the body, whether they photographed the body according to protocols and the photos were subsequently destroyed, or why they didn’t photograph the body if they didn’t photograph it.
The important thing to note is that the only proof of whether a heart attack was artificially induced by a heart attack dart is those photos, and though they are standard protocol in THIS CASE the autopsy claims they were never taken.
4. The maximum level of blockage found in the arteries was 60%. I’m not a medical person, like I said, but this suggests to me that a heart attack was not caused by blockage or anything with the arteries or heart themselves, but rather because of the electrical impulses being “off” - which is the means used in a potassium chloride heart attack assassination dart.
This autopsy thus raises more questions than it answers. There is nothing in here that I can see that rules out a heart attack dart, and the photos that should have documented whether there was a tiny red mark where a dart entered the body were not taken, in violation of standard protocols. The level of blockage in the arteries suggests this heart attack was NOT caused by the condition of the arteries or heart but by the electrical impulses which control the timing of the heartbeats, which is the means whereby a heart attack dart causes a heart attack.
As always, if somebody else has input that clarifies or rebuts anything I’ve said, I hope to hear it.
No it would not. The election would be valid - the President would be found unfit/unable/ineligible to serve and the Vice President (elected via that election which would NOT be invalidated) would become the President - assuming he is fit/able/eligible to serve.
Agree. 60% blockage shouldn’t cause cardiac arrest and death. Symptoms, perhaps, but not cardiac arrest/death.
you all see the headline on Drudge??
Planet Earth to Planet Kolob: Provide verification of Romney's claim to be "spirit born" on Kolob...
Doesn't that make Romney an alien "non-citizen" of this planet...sent to take over a human body here?
And Jeff, be honest, with all the posters here: Don't you believe you're one of these "spirit birth" aliens, too?
ping to butterdezillion’s analysis and e-mail to Bennett in the comment:
“What Ive seen from him suggests hes going to demand legal verification, as authorized in HRS 338-18. Janice Okubo has told me that they dont do letters of verification in lieu of certified BC because thats what the Certification of Live Birth is. So in accordance with Hawaii law, Bennett is expecting a certified COLB for Obama, unless they decide to do a letter of verification.
“But Bennett has been informed that there is even a problem with that. This is what I sent him this morning:”
He will, when he receives a big stack of money from Obama’s campaign HQ.
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