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Arizona official to Hawaii: Show birth verification
WND ^ | May 16, 2012 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 05/17/2012 7:34:20 AM PDT by Smokeyblue

A state official in Arizona has asked Hawaii for verification of the information on Barack Obama’s birth certificate, the document that Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s special investigative team has concluded may be a forgery.

Members of the Surprise, Ariz., Tea Party, who petitioned Arpaio to investigate Obama’s eligibility, say they are awaiting word from the state secretary of state regarding whether Obama’s name will be on the 2012 presidential ballot in Arizona.

Secretary of State Ken Bennett had promised to ask Hawaii officials for verification of Obama’s documentation, vowing that if answers are not forthcoming, Obama’s name will not be on the ballot.

The assurance came in an email to various constituents in Arizona who had contacted Bennett’s office expressing concern that the name of an ineligible candidate would be presented to voters in November.

“Because of the importance and profile of the president’s case, and at the request of many constituents, I have gone the extra step of asking the state of Hawaii to verify the facts contained in his birth certificate,” Bennett wrote in response to concerns last month. “Hawaii is bound by their own statutes to provide such verifications to other state officials in their official duties.

“With all due respect, the [Arpaio] investigation has not proven anything other than raised probable cause that the birth certificate posted on the White House website ‘may be’ a forgery. The next lawful step would be for the sheriff’s office to turn their findings over to the county attorney for prosecution,” he continued. “Evidence would be brought on both sides and a judge should issue a decision.

“Whether or not that happens, if Hawaii can’t or won’t provide verification of the president’s birth certificate, I will not put his name on the ballot,” he wrote.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: 2012; arizona; arpaio; birthcertificate; certifigate; eligibility; fraud; hawaii; hi; kenbennett; naturalborncitizen; nwo; obama; sheriffjoe; statedepartment; usurper
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To: MrB
Leftists don’t tend to qualify for security clearances.
I doubt even Bill himself could have gotten one.

Was that not the crux of Gary Aldrich’s book “Unlimited Access” (1996)?

The background investigation of the Clintons, Aldrich would have submitted had he been given the opportunity. concluded that the Clintons would not have been granted unlimited access.

Aldrich, spent 30 years with the FBI, the last five as an FBI agent responsible for background checks on White House staff (Clinton era).

21 posted on 05/17/2012 8:27:19 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
Reason: If a duly elected POTUS failed a Security Clearance check, would that over-turn a legal election?

Wouldn't the presence of an illegal candidate invalidate a "legal" election?

22 posted on 05/17/2012 8:34:20 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: molson209

No, they don’t. The election is considered the security clearance. I got that from an audio interview with an FBI guy who said that, and I also got that from Nebraska’s SOS, John Gale - who also said that the media would never let an ineligible person go unvetted...

We are in serious doo-doo unless the people realize we are our only defenders. The system does not protect us against itself.

23 posted on 05/17/2012 8:36:37 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: edge919

What I’ve seen from him suggests he’s going to demand legal verification, as authorized in HRS 338-18. Janice Okubo has told me that they don’t do letters of verification in lieu of certified BC because that’s what the Certification of Live Birth is. So in accordance with Hawaii law, Bennett is expecting a certified COLB for Obama, unless they decide to do a letter of verification.

But Bennett has been informed that there is even a problem with that. This is what I sent him this morning:

Ken, just a few facts that come into play here.

At this point, given what both the HDOH and former OIP Director Paul Tsukiyama have disclosed through legal responses to UIPA requests, Obama’s birth record is amended and also includes affidavits to support the birth claims (which would only be necessary for a LATE birth certificate). Tsukiyama’s response in particular referenced HRS 338-13, which is the section dealing specifically with late and altered BC’s. If you need to see that response I could share that with you.

In addition, the 1960-64 birth index has been altered to include legally non-valid BC’s, and Virginia Sunahara’s name was missing from the database (though still included in the altered index) when queried for me - which strongly suggests that the alteration of the birth index was to allow BOTH Virginia’s and Obama’s names to be included in the birth index even though only one could actually be in the DATABASE of legally-valid records at any given time. (Because only Virginia’s BC# is for a legally-valid record; Obama’s has an L in front of it for “late”.)

All of which would only be necessary if Obama’s birth record is late and/or altered, and thus not legally valid.

If Obama’s birth record is late and/or amended, Hawaii law (HRS 338-16) says that the probative value must be determined by the judicial or administrative person or body to whom the BC is presented as evidence. IOW, the State of Hawaii cannot verify anything from a late or altered BC, and the only way the birth facts can be legally ascertained is by the actual BC being presented AS EVIDENCE - along with all the supporting affidavits/filings, which are required to be listed on the BC itself.

So the HDOH is in a dilemma. If Obama’s BC is late and/or altered they CANNOT legally verify anything for you. Based on what the HDOH and OIP have already disclosed, the HDOH should not be able to verify anything for you.

If they DO legally verify anything for you, then the previous legal responses from both the HDOH and OIP offices have been fraudulent. So at that point you have to decide which story to believe from them, since they have given contradictory official, legal responses.

If you’re waiting for criminal charges to be filed before requiring an audit of the records, it’s never going to happen, because Arizona cannot file charges against the HDOH, and the feds will never do that as long as Eric Holder is in control of all federal law enforcement. He’s too busy protecting “his people” from criminal prosecution. Even if it is proven in a court of law that both Obama and the HDOH committed forgery and fraud with the BC put online, that still doesn’t tell us what Hawaii actually has for Obama; it would only tell us that the HDOH couldn’t be trusted - which we already know because they’ve altered AT LEAST their birth index and their database. And the HHS inspector general’s report notes that even a genuine record can easily be fraudulent, so the only way to have confidence is by auditing ALL the citizenship records.

So ultimately, the only way we’re ever going to know anything is by auditing all the citizenship records. Which is called for anyway because all of them have evidence of tampering: draft registration is forged, BC has been forged twice and the HDOh has indicated that what they really have is altered and/or late; passport file has been breached 3 times; social security number fails E-verify and originates from a location where Obama never lived. The only 4 legal records we can have any knowledge about, and there are signs of fraud with ALL of them. The only way we’ll ever know the truth about ANY of those records is by auditing the paper and electronic trail/processing for those records. Which is more than any SOS can or should be stuck doing.

When I was helping to fashion Nebraska’s eligibility bill, we wanted to simply provide a platform so that any person would have standing to require an audit of a candidate’s proof of eligibility. The only way to do that is through a lawsuit that the candidate would HAVE to have resolved before getting their name on the ballot - otherwise they would just stall on a court case and the default would be for their name to appear on the ballot. So the key to making the PROCESS work is by putting the burden of proof on the candidate, in a setting where the records can be required to be audited. The way that happens is by a SOS denying placement on the ballot - which the candidate would then sue over and the whole question would be thrown to the PROPER place for Constitutional issues to be decided: the courts.

IOW, refusing placement on the ballot simply moves the legal determination of eligibility to those who have the legal authority to demand access to audit the records. Which is exactly what is required by Hawaii law, if the previous reponses by the HDOH and OIP (indicating an altered and/or late BC) have been accurate. And what the HHS inspector general emphatically recommended to be required - especially for cases where there are signs of possible fraud and where much is at stake. You’ll never get a clearer example of both those criteria than this situation with Barack Obama.

Once again, I’m sorry this is so long. The devil is in the details, and they take some time to explain.


24 posted on 05/17/2012 8:43:42 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Reily
We desperately need term limits (a decade in an elected office is enough!)...

A decade in any one office is too long! Two terms is plenty; the house, two 3 year terms, two 4 year terms in the senate. No exempting themselves from any of the laws they pass; no retirement fund or medical except that which any of us can get if we choose to do so.

25 posted on 05/17/2012 8:45:02 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Smokeyblue
And a bucket containing the head of Ken Bennett's dog will be delivered to his office. A few minutes later he will recieve a phone call telling him the next bucket will contain his wife's head unless Obama is on the ballot.

It's the Chicago way.

26 posted on 05/17/2012 8:51:31 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Smokeyblue

In the interest of equal access, Arizona should request documentation of eligibility from the Romney folks that would include a state-certified copy of his official long-form birth certificate, before Romney’s name can appear on the ballot.

27 posted on 05/17/2012 9:00:35 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
My understanding is that since it was never introduced as evidence in any court proceeding, their digitized document was safe from prosecution.


28 posted on 05/17/2012 9:02:36 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: JimRed
Though term limits has nothing to do with Obama’s eligibility, I thought I might nonetheless offer an opinion.

I too thought term limits would solve “the problem”. But, if the electorate is corrupt and chooses to send surrogate thieves to Washington, they will continue to do so election after election, increasing the number of thieves getting federal pensions for their stint in office. On the other hand, if the electorate is faithful to constitutional principles and sends a principled person to Washington, why place a limit on that person? Certainly, some people can be corrupted by the power of the office and the time they hold it and it is the electorate's responsibility to throw them out. Term limits cannot solve the problem of a corrupt electorate but can force good people out of office.

29 posted on 05/17/2012 9:06:26 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: JimRed

That’s why I used that term....

30 posted on 05/17/2012 9:09:09 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

It would be too blatant if anybody near and dear to him shows up unexpectedly dead. That’s why Larry Sinclair and Sheriff Joe are still alive. It’s why a lot of us are still alive. Going public is the safest thing to do.

The threats are still there, I’m sure - as evidenced by Judge Michael Malihi’s 180-degree turnaround to eventually give a sharia ruling of eligibility - apparently based on “judge’s knowledge”, since no evidence of eligibility was presented. But they wouldn’t work if they were threats to the LIFE of him or any of his loved ones.

The only way they would work is if death came by heart attack dart or something similar.

They already got rid of Judge John Roll through a “random” shooting which the supposed intended target (Gabby Giffords) survived. Supposedly crazed shooter was the means for assassination of Bill Gwatney, the good friend of Bill Clinton and Arkansas Democratic Party chairman who had just promised to help Hillary present a petititon at the DNC Convention in a couple weeks which would have challenged the illegalities of the Obama folks. That was a private agreement; if it had been public the timing of the assassination would have been too obvious. So now both the means and the timing for physical threats are jeopardized because of public awareness regarding Gwatney and Breitbart, as well as the public nature of the threat Bennett poses to Obama’s election.

And BTW, for those who wonder why I haven’t let go of the Breitbart death (probable assassination by heart attack dart), it’s because I recognize that if we let Soros’ folks get away with medical assassinations neither my family nor anybody who speaks against Obama will be safe - and that includes the people at Breitbart who have altered their stories repeatedly in order to fit the Soros narrative, and includes people like Sheriff Joe and Ken Bennett.

If me being called a crazy conspiracist (in spite of the facts I cite to support my beliefs) is what it takes to keep these people safe, then so be it. The truth matters - especially in critical, dangerous times like these.

31 posted on 05/17/2012 9:09:17 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Smokeyblue

I have a few questions in addition to the birth certificate brouhaha that should have been answered by a bipartisan media:

1. Can anyone name one classmate from grammar school, high school, Occidental, Columbia, or Harvard Law School?
2. Can anyone name a childhood friend.
3. Can anyone name a girlfriend?
4. Can any teacher or professor opine as to Obama’s erudition that won him entrance to his elite schools?
5. Can anyone regale us about his leadership as President of Harvard Law School?
6. Who paid for all of his schooling?
7. How did Obama make ends meet while at school? Did he have an employer?
8. Did Obama have life insurance? If so, who was the beneficiary?
9. Did Obama ever own a car? Did he ever have a driver’s License? Were there applications filled out?
10. Was Obama ever arrested? After all, he led protests.

There are a million other questions that would have been answered by any Republican candidate but those will do for now.

32 posted on 05/17/2012 9:09:24 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: JimRed
well I was averaging what we presently have, 2 US Senate (and almost all state senate!)terms in 12 years, 2 presidential or state officer terms are 8 years so are most county and local. The House is a two year term, if you have ever read anything bout the House's relation with the Senate, it does not take kindly to be treated as the junior partner in the legislature. (That goes for federal as well as state!) So to get anything to pass the House would require something on par with what the Senate would be required to do. Also the House was to be subject to repeated elections, many of the Founding Fathers wanted House elections annually. (Wouldn't that be a mess in today's world!). So 5 terms at two year intervals with the politician then be required to sit out 3 terms to regain eligibility is my proposal. (Three 3 years terms and sit out two would work for me also!) In the US Senate sit out i full term after 12 years (2 terms).
33 posted on 05/17/2012 9:14:54 AM PDT by Reily
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To: butterdezillion

Rumford woman awaits word on brother’s cause of death

Gina Cormier Child waits every day for her phone to ring.

She hopes it’s the Los Angeles police or the Los Angeles coroner’s office calling her in Rumford to say whether her brother Michael A. Cormier was murdered last month or died of natural causes.

Cormier, also a Rumford native, was a well-respected crime-scene photographer and forensic technician for the Los Angeles County Department of Coroner, his sister said.

He worked on Michael Jackson’s autopsy, a friend said.

Cormier also ran a small business out of his home: MAC Autopsy Services.

According to an April 30 story in the Los Angeles Times, Cormier appeared to have died from poisoning on the night of April 20. He was taken from his North Hollywood home to a Burbank hospital where he died.

Los Angeles police told the Times that investigators haven’t ruled out foul play. An officer and a coroner’s official told the Sun Journal on Friday the investigation continues and they had nothing else to release.

“I want to know what happened,” Child said Sunday afternoon. “He worked there 10 years and we didn’t know about the arsenic poisoning until we saw it online. I was quite upset because they hadn’t notified the family.”

The news came as a shock. Twenty-two days before Cormier died, their brother Gary Anthony Cormier, 57, died on March 29 of cancer, Child said. Gary, of Palmdale, Calif., was also a Rumford native and former well-known radio personality.

Child, 53, said Michael, their oldest brother, called her on April 17 — three days before he died.

She said he was excited about returning to Rumford next month to perform songs at Gary’s funeral service at 2 p.m. June 30 in the Dixfield Congregational Church. Now the service is for both brothers.

“Unbelievable,” Child said. “We are still grieving for Gary, and then to have Michael pass away, this can’t be real.”


Now, it’s the details of Mike Cormier’s death that Child and Belskis want to know.

“I’m waiting like everyone else to hear the final report on Mike,” Belskis said.

“I know one thing, he was way too young to die and someone may have had something to do with that.”

34 posted on 05/17/2012 9:35:05 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: butterdezillion

Today Sinclair News received the full and final Autopsy Report on Andrew Breitbart from the Los Angeles County Coroner’s office per our earlier request. We were sent the report at the same time as NBC News, NY Times, Fox News, and others who had submitted requests for the final report. The Report is provided in PDF form HERE

35 posted on 05/17/2012 9:39:19 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: JimRed

I do not think our founding fathers ever imagined this country would have 50% plus living off the government, nor do I believe they could ever imagine socialism again after they had experienced the total failure that sociailsm was in two early colonies.

36 posted on 05/17/2012 9:41:18 AM PDT by Lumper20
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To: Smokeyblue

Seems like a non-story to me. All Hawaii has to do is say “it’s accurate”, and he will take their word for it. Hawaiian officials have already proven that they are in Obama’s pocket, so I don’t think anything will come of this.

37 posted on 05/17/2012 9:46:57 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Reily

You are on the bulls eye.

As I’ve stated before (with apologies, it wasn’t from Burke):

With recognition of Lord Acton’s prophetic principal from 1887 about the relationship of power and corruption, may I reword it to fit what we have seen in these latter days of the USA:

Power corrupts and ANY SIGNIFICANT amount of power will begin the corruption process, usually not reversible, of most people today, beyond any hope of reversal or redemption. Great men/women are, these days, seldom anything but selfish, power hungry bad men/women.

(Just review in your own mind for a few moments, the behavior of any member of the public service sector, from local and county through state and up to federal gubmint, and count up any SIGNIFICANT players who have NOT been corrupted.)

I challenge everyone to nominate an elected DC gubmint member who has proven that they hold dear and adhere to the ideals enumerated in the Declaration and the Constitution, with some CONCRETE examples of their defense of We the People.

I know of none, since Sara Palin never made it to DC (McLame certainly wasn’t one).

I do believe that there are still some well intentioned ones operating at the state/local level, but the spread of Cancer of the Character via the Corruption Virus escalates infinitely upon induction into the federal machine.

38 posted on 05/17/2012 9:53:35 AM PDT by CanuckYank
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To: Smokeyblue

Just heard they will get the certificate as soon as the ink dries.

39 posted on 05/17/2012 9:55:35 AM PDT by bikerman (you can take the man out of the jungle but can't take the jungle out of the man)
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To: butterdezillion

Commentator Andrew Breitbart died of heart failure, narrowing of artery, coroner finds

Conservative commentator and website editor Andrew Breitbart died of heart failure and had up to a 60 percent narrowing of a major artery, a Los Angeles County coroner’s office report released Wednesday said.

The office ruled that the cause of Breitbart’s death was heart failure and hypertrophic cardiomyopathy with focal coronary atherosclerosis, or hardening of the arteries.

Coroner’s officials deemed the death “natural.”

Breitbart collapsed near his Westwood home on the west side of Los Angeles March 1. He was 43. Paramedics found Breitbart unable to breath and shocked him with a defibrillator four times. He was in full arrest and paramedics were administering CPR when he arrived in the emergency room at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center. The report noted that despite heroic efforts, Breitbart was declared dead at 12:19 a.m. In the report, authorities said that a year before, he had a congestive heart failure and began a course of diet and exercise. The report notes that Breitbart had flu two weeks before and “has been under a lot of stress.”

40 posted on 05/17/2012 10:06:44 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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