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As Facebook grows, millions say, 'no, thanks'
YahooNews ^ | 05/17/12 | ANICK JESDANUN

Posted on 05/17/2012 8:01:53 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway

Don't try to friend MaLi Arwood on Facebook. You won't find her there. You won't find Thomas Chin, either. Or Kariann Goldschmitt. Or Jake Edelstein. More than 900 million people worldwide check their Facebook accounts at least once a month, but millions more are Facebook holdouts. They say they don't want Facebook. They insist they don't need Facebook. They say they're living life just fine without the long-forgotten acquaintances that the world's largest social network sometimes resurrects. They are the resisters.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: facebook; internet; nothanks; trends
"I don't need to share triviality with someone that I might have known for six months 12 years ago."...In a nutshell.
1 posted on 05/17/2012 8:01:57 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I have 2 opinions on this.

1) The people I’m not in contact with, I am not in contact with for a reason.

2) Having a FaceBook account will practically never get you a job. But, it’s caused untold numbers of people to lose their job, or to be passed over after an interview. The internet NEVER forgets.


2 posted on 05/17/2012 8:04:57 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I do not even know why this is considered news.
There are people who have fun with FaceBook and there are people who are not interested - it’s not a big deal one way or the other.
Seriously to make it a news story with all that’s going on around the world............


3 posted on 05/17/2012 8:07:47 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I got on Facebook a year ago, and off forever a month later. Lot of people I used to know got hooked up with me again. Was fun for a few days. Then, slowly, I began to realize that it was just as well that I hadn’t heard from them in twenty years. Very depressing, a total bummer.

Bye bye facebook.


4 posted on 05/17/2012 8:08:25 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

If someone said, “You know, the CIA runs this thing.”, people would never sign up. Well, guess what? Facebook, myspace, etc., all have ties back into the intelligence communities and law enforcement. It is amazing the amount of incriminating information that is placed on these web sites.


5 posted on 05/17/2012 8:14:06 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called “gay” instead.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
I don't have a facebook account and the only reason I've considered getting one is because companies say "'Like' us and we'll give you free stuff". As for the trivial information on my life such as my personal debate on whether to buy Lay's chips or the big local brand - nope, I would never post that and I never want to read about other people's trivia.
6 posted on 05/17/2012 8:16:20 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
Facebook is likely to have an estimated market valuation of some $100 billion, making it worth more than Kraft Foods, Ford or Disney.

This is a "moral-bubble". What does Facebook actually contribute to the economy besides a marginal level of entertainment and advertising?

All those investor dollars chasing growth that can't be had from mature companies whose capital & revenues are taxed a confiscatory rates.

7 posted on 05/17/2012 8:17:11 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: CodeToad

The “big brother is looking” aspect bothers me also. I couldn’t care less what you did all damn day long anyway.


8 posted on 05/17/2012 8:18:18 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Tallguy

Agreed...The market valuation is ridiculous.


9 posted on 05/17/2012 8:20:09 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Steely Tom

Some doors should stay closed after 20 years...


10 posted on 05/17/2012 8:21:46 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: CodeToad
If someone said, “You know, the CIA runs this thing.”, people would never sign up. Well, guess what? Facebook, myspace, etc., all have ties back into the intelligence communities and law enforcement. It is amazing the amount of incriminating information that is placed on these web sites.

Would you carry a device which constantly reports your location and whose location record may or may not require a warrant for government to copy it? Well, that's a current cell phone unless you remove the battery.

11 posted on 05/17/2012 8:27:31 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: Hodar; AngelesCrestHighway; Steely Tom; CodeToad
Exactly! If I haven't spoken to you in ~20 years, there's a reason why. And people typically don't change, so if we didn't get along then, we probably aren't now.

Law enforcement and potential employer checks are the really HUGE reason why you should NEVER put anything out there than can and will be used against you.

I just can't believe the amount of complete drivel people “post”:

“Look, I boiled water...now what do I do? LOL!”

Facebook is inanity on a macro scale.

12 posted on 05/17/2012 8:34:58 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The stench of Earth Pimp-age is permeating over the internet...)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Whatever happened to the concept of sitting down and writing a letter(or card)to someone?Maybe The USPS could make a profit??


13 posted on 05/17/2012 8:42:28 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I couldn’t care less what you did all damn day long anyway.”

I heartily agree. I just have never understood why people think they need to be in touch with so many others they don’t know 24/7. Maybe it’s because I have a business and have to talk to people all day that I don’t know and would never speak with except for this. Seems like there are no boundaries any more. Perhaps I consider FR my version of Facebook and certainly the knowledge I gain here is very beneficial.


14 posted on 05/17/2012 8:46:57 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
I have never been interested in facebook. My husband signed up a few months ago. He rarely post anything but everyday he reads things his cousins (that he can't tolerate) post. The he rants about what fools they are. I don't like his cousins either I dumped them years ago.
15 posted on 05/17/2012 8:51:41 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

OK I was reading the article fine until we got to this festival of stupid:
Two out of every five American adults have not joined Facebook, according to a recent Associated Press-CNBC poll. Among those who are not on Facebook, a third cited a lack of interest or need. If all those people continue to shun Facebook, the social network could become akin to a postal system that only delivers mail to houses on one side of the street. The system isn’t as useful, and people aren’t apt to spend as much time with it. That means fewer opportunities for Facebook to sell ads.

Yeah because “only” reaching 60% of Americans is so limiting. Show me ANY other advertising medium where one buy has the potential to be seen by 60% of American.


16 posted on 05/17/2012 8:59:17 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Sounds like a bunch of sour grapes are on the menu at Yahoo.


17 posted on 05/17/2012 9:02:38 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The United States of America, a banana republic since 1913)
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To: Ditter

I got rid of my Facebook account six months ago and it was one of the best decisions I’ve made in a while. Also, make sure you delete your account permanently. If you simply deactivate your account, you can log back on and all of your data will still be there.


18 posted on 05/17/2012 9:03:29 AM PDT by VA_Gentleman ("Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very internet you invented." -Jon Stewart)
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To: Hodar

If I was looking for a job having a FB account would have gotten me at least 2 already. Because it’s a communication medium, it’s an easy place for people to spread the word among interested parties that there is an opening. In a lot of ways it’s like e-mailing all your friends without having to poke through your address book. Where once when your company was hiring you’d e-mail friends now you put it on your FB. Even if you want to hit specific people instead of the whole list, so many folks have multiple e-mails and you never really know which one they use most, send them a FB message, it’ll go to whatever e-mail account they’ve set up, giving them two spots to see it.


19 posted on 05/17/2012 9:03:46 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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Lot of BS posters on here whining about ‘waste of time’, ‘contribution to the economy’, ‘invasion of privacy’, etc. Just a bunch of whiners. Stay off of it if you don’t like it. Otherwise, just shut up and quit whining. Leave people alone. Isn’t that a tenet of Conservativism?


20 posted on 05/17/2012 9:17:54 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
Husband and I have absolutely no interest in FB. However, My daughter and DIL live on FB.

I found out my Grandson was critically injured in a tornado through my daughter who saw it on my DIL’s facebook page. DIL posted it while she was in the ambulance. My Daughter called us when she saw the post saying that he had severe brain trauma and a broken back. (Thank God that wasn't the case! He has fully recovered from his injuries.)I don't get the need for someone to splay their entire life for everyone to see and use it as the only form of communication.

(I am still pissed about finding out about this that way!)

21 posted on 05/17/2012 9:18:45 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
I've avoided Facebook but my wife started it because our daughter and niece were on it and use FB for recent pictures of the kids.

Then the "Friend" invitations started coming in, and now for every interesting item 50 are junk. She is about to "Defriend" a lot of people.

22 posted on 05/17/2012 9:21:03 AM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Meh. Guess that I’m just ahead of my time.


23 posted on 05/17/2012 9:24:46 AM PDT by wbill
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Meh. Guess that I’m just ahead of my time.


24 posted on 05/17/2012 9:25:00 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Steely Tom
began to realize that it was just as well that I hadn’t heard from them in twenty years

Yup. I figured out at my HS reunion that, really, the only thing that I have in common with most everyone there happened 20 years ago.

It was sad, really. I've moved on, but so many others are still in the same place.

I keep in touch with those that I want to keep up with. the rest? Meh.

25 posted on 05/17/2012 9:28:12 AM PDT by wbill
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Other than a bazillion people who seem willing to share the most personal and/or inappropriate information with the world in general (you can now use FB to tell the universe that you are an organ donor for instance - next you can provide blood type and since they probably already know where to find you - bye, bye), FB is also well on it’s way to controlling public discourse, particularly political discussion.

To whit: in order to comment on USAToday, Dallas Morning News etc. You have to join FB. Not just to post, but to comment on the posts of others or even just to give a thumbs up. Thumbs down are no longer permitted so every bit of inane, biased leftist drivel goes mostly unchallenged and looks like the only opinions out there.

It’s obviously intended to suppress the rest of the political spectrum. I would certainly not be adverse to using a faux signup but suspect they have ways to tie you to your PC, mobile device etc.


26 posted on 05/17/2012 9:30:59 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

It’s not just users: GM says “no, thanks,” too:

GM Says Facebook Ads Don’t Work, Pulls $10 Million Account

http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2012/05/15/gm-says-facebook-ads-dont-work-pulls-10-million-account/


27 posted on 05/17/2012 9:32:30 AM PDT by Colinsky
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
Facebook is OK - just don't Friend people you don't know well and don't (especially if you are young and looking for work) post pictures of yourself doing shots, no matter how cool your friends think it is. That's the #1 job application killer right now.

As for government watching Facebook activity - you think they don't know exactly who every FReeper is and have lots of us on watch lists already? The only way around that is to adopt a Thoreau/Unabomber lifestyle. :)

Keep Facebook for family and close friends only. Set up a LinkedIn profile and do your connecting with less familiar people over there - not as much potential for damage.

28 posted on 05/17/2012 9:36:20 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
I see Facebook as a security risk, for anyone who wants to maintain any privacy. People have no idea what they give away on line as far as information.

Besides, who has the time?

29 posted on 05/17/2012 9:47:13 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: CodeToad
It is amazing the amount of incriminating information that is placed on these web sites.

Not to mention YouTube.

What concerns me is the tendency to pass ex post facto laws and ordinances which may make something you do legally today, punishable in the future.

(Like, for instance, the one which prohibits owning a firearm for anyone ever convicted of an act of domestic violence--which although it did not present a problem for me, used the distant pasts of a host of people to block their RKBA).

The less 'they' know, the better it gets--and the push is to monitor all electronic communication.

30 posted on 05/17/2012 9:53:24 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: AlmaKing
If you enjoy it and find it a worthwhile past time, more power to you!

The article is about the people who don't use it, and I are one.

We're posting why.

Savvy young billionaires and the like would be reading this thread and trying to figure out how to draw us in so they'd maybe make even more money, or come up with an alternative.

For them, it's a marketing challenge (and income stream). I don't begrudge them that. For millions, a past time, I don't begrudge them that, either. But it's not for me and many others. Don't begrudge us that, and we can all get along, even if you can't 'unfriend' us, or however that works. (8^D)

31 posted on 05/17/2012 10:01:04 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Tallguy

Facebook is likely to have an estimated market valuation of some $100 billion, making it worth more than Kraft Foods, Ford or Disney.

This is a “moral-bubble”. What does Facebook actually contribute to the economy besides a marginal level of entertainment and advertising?


Answer: Facebook is providing an advertising venue for the likes of Kraft Foods, Ford and Disney, to help them be more profitable.

Just like any TV network or newspaper.


32 posted on 05/17/2012 10:09:16 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: Beelzebubba

I have advertised on Facebook and it doesn’t work as GM has found out.

Nearly all of the ads are never seen by the users. Total waste of time and money.


33 posted on 05/17/2012 10:22:16 AM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: All

I use the post office “MAYBE” 3-4 times a year. That’s it.

I really DON’T want all the intimate details of anybody’s life.

People I love and care about receive phone calls, personal visits, and pictures which are emailed.

Typing on a keyboard does NOT constitute a ‘relationship’ of any kind. Sometimes I see people sitting in the same room typing away on their phones to their facebook accounts, to EACHOTHER! How stupid is THAT?

I am not interested in announcing all of my business to the world at large. I LIKE privacy! Some things aren’t anybody else’s business, and I have to assume that there are people who care as little about my business as I do theirs.

I use software to filter out ads. I don’t care for TV because of Ads. I’ve stopped purchasing magazines full of ads, and I sure as hell don’t want facebook’s ads either!

I am intelligent enough to know that products exist and if I want a product I can run a search for information about that product.

I find begging, distasteful, and that’s all ads are. They are begging for your money. I don’t care for begging at the cash register either! “Would you like to donate to an organization that fights breast cancer by providing funds to an organization which causes it?” NO! And because you asked, I will shop elsewhere for a few weeks so that YOU are deprived of my money, just for begging.

If I want to give charitably, I already KNOW who I want to give to!

When I travel, I don’t appreciate panhandlers either. It’s all the same to me, it’s begging, and it’s pathetic.

And if that’s not enough, If you decide to purchase a product, the price is inflated to force YOU to PAY for their indecent Begging!

Ads represent inconsiderate greed to me, so yes, I oppose it. It’s like walking down the street with crowds of people trying to rip your clothes off to get to your wallet, every time you step out the door.

Buy this, buy that...pick me...

Everybody want’s every tenth of a penny you might have in your pocket, to where they will even steal your name and inforation like it’s their own, while they copyright and register theirs so YOU can’t use it.

If your stuff isn’t to be respected, then registered trademarks and copyrights should also be dissolved. Money isn’t God. It burns, it rots, and it’s influence is only temporary, and then you die. Game over for all.

We all face our maker with the same checkbook in hand. Who we were, and what we did to better life for the other guy.
Those are our REAL accounts.

Pick up the phone and call me to learn when it’s a good time to knock at my door so we can give each other a hug, and a cup of coffee, some genuine tears and laughter. We don’t need greedy ads for that. Anything less than that is like kissing your bride through a veil.


34 posted on 05/17/2012 10:24:10 AM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: buffaloguy

Was it that GMs ads didn’t work or just that GM’s vehicles stink? Advertising bad products doesn’t tend to help the bottom line much. The big thing to use FB for is the likes, those are people actually ASKING to see your ads.


35 posted on 05/17/2012 10:28:23 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I never exactly joined Facebook, but did register with them because I thought it was necessary to view the pages of politicians, other public figures and organizations, etc. Turns out it wasn’t really required.

All they have from me is an email address and maybe a nickname, I don’t recall. But now I have a ‘Facebook page’, at least it puts one together for me by truncating my email address and using that as my name. Then it pulls people I’ve never heard of and shows them and a few I know that it associates with me by some links. And it even grabs a guy I exchanged one email with when he emailed me personally off a health discussion forum.

I get updates from a couple of people I do know who have active FB pages.

But FB took the most minimal information about me and operates as if I’m a member with an active page. I’ve never provided a single input beyond the basic registration.

I probably need to just un-register and get away from it entirely.


36 posted on 05/17/2012 10:31:11 AM PDT by Will88
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To: discostu

Like eh?

The are a large number of people on Facebook who love, just adore, hitting the like button on your ad. When you try to contact them to see if you can help them they report you as spam and you get banned from friending any new people for months at a time.

It is the single most hostile advertising environment that I have ever experienced. I have spent a lot of time in advertising (owner and employee) and I know what I am doing.


37 posted on 05/17/2012 10:38:57 AM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Facebook is a way for me to stay acquainted with acquaintances that I want to remain acquaintances.


38 posted on 05/17/2012 10:45:22 AM PDT by Marko413
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To: buffaloguy

That’s not how you do advertising on FB. The way that actually works it to put up a corporate page, people like THAT, not your ads, and you keep a constant flow of information going to that page, information specifically geared to be friendly, away from looking like advertisements. It’s a different world of advertising that needs to look like communications NOT ads and NOT making first contact.

You might have spent a lot of time in advertising but that’s old knowledge that’s not useful to this medium. It’s a new world where people actually specifically reject your old way of doing things. Which is why your contacts get reported as spam. If you want to see how it works “like” George Takei, he’s mastered the medium.


39 posted on 05/17/2012 10:49:07 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: Will88
I’ve never provided a single input beyond the basic registration.

Same here, using a shell of an email address in order to post comments on some newspapers. Recently FB emailed me that to prove I was a "real person", I had to give them my cell or home phone number.

See ya.

40 posted on 05/17/2012 11:14:51 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: discostu

George had high name recognition 40 years before Facebook came on line. Bad example as that is the initial problem to be solved by an advertiser.

I track all advertising expenditures, impressions, contacts and conversion to sales to about three digits and have done so so for twenty or thirty years. Facebook doesn’t work.

And GM knows it. There is another big account pulling out for the same reason....forget who it is but it seemed to me to be serious cash involved.


41 posted on 05/17/2012 11:25:56 AM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway; a fool in paradise

In the meantime, billions don’t own microwave ovens!


42 posted on 05/17/2012 11:29:32 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: buffaloguy

I have advertised on Facebook and it doesn’t work


Something tells me that not everyone’s results are identical to yours.


43 posted on 05/17/2012 12:14:23 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: buffaloguy

No George is an excellent example. His name recognition got him the beginning of his FB following, but his understanding of how the medium works is why he’s by far the most popular Trek vet on FB. It’s REALLY fun to follow him on FB, there’s a constant stream of amusing pictures and nerdy news coming from him, and the occasional reminder of some project he’s on.

Facebook doesn’t work YOUR way. And nothing works for GM because their product sucks. Facebook works GREAT if you take the time to understand the medium the way George, They Might be Giants, Iron Maiden and tons of folks willing to realize it doesn’t work like normal advertising. Think of how the ad business changed when VW hit the market. FB (and the other social media) is that kind of rethink. If you do things the old way on FB everybody recognizes that you’re old style trying to use the new medium and you get marked as spam. If you understand that it’s about inviting the people to listen to you it’s a great tool.


44 posted on 05/17/2012 1:26:36 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: buffaloguy
I have advertised on Facebook and it doesn’t work as GM has found out. Nearly all of the ads are never seen by the users. Total waste of time and money.

There are ads on the internet? I haven't seen hardly any of those for years. The adblock firefox plugin takes care of me pretty well. It's not so good for folks who actually want to make money off the ads though.

45 posted on 05/17/2012 1:32:20 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: zeugma

Firefox does the job for you but I am quite aware that most of the mobile Facebook apps do not bring the ads over.

Lot fewer impressions than you think.


46 posted on 05/17/2012 1:36:47 PM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

You mean for a “company” that produces nothing tangible?

Just how much advertising does anyone need? How much can be used?

Hasn’t this gone far enough?

The reason the U.S. is dead is things like this... 38 year old money traders who “retire” with $3.8bil and this bunch overnight “worth” $100bil all because they produced what? Nothing.


47 posted on 05/17/2012 2:41:03 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Sequoyah101

Seems like Facebook is way overvalued....the barriers to entry for an alternative are fairly low....remember Myspace?


48 posted on 05/17/2012 2:43:22 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Yes, and there was very little difference. Critical mass, market timing, not even first to market.

An example of the age old question, “Why do two people open a bakery at the same time in the same market, 10 years later, one is still baking bread himself and the other owns Panera?”


49 posted on 05/17/2012 2:52:07 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I’m not on facebook because I don’t want to be. But, I like Twitter, because it has more relevance.


50 posted on 05/17/2012 5:44:18 PM PDT by redhead (Alaska: Step out of the bus and into the food chain.)
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