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Obama’s aides freak over possible Rev. Wright-themed attack ads
The Daily Caller ^

Posted on 05/17/2012 8:25:22 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Obama’s aides freak over possible Rev. Wright-themed attack ads By Neil Munro - The Daily Caller 9:28 AM 05/17/2012

Top Democratic strategists have reacted quickly to stop a proposed $10 million advertising campaign that would highlight the relationship between President Barack Obama and his old Chicago pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Plans for the potential ad campaign were revealed this morning by the New York Times.

“Stunning! Will Mitt stand up, as [Sen.] John McCain did? Or allow the purveyors of slime to operate on his behalf?” claimed a 5.42 a.m. tweet from David Axelrod, the senior strategic at Obama’s campaign headquarters in Chicago.

The proposed advertising is a “hateful campaign being planned by GOP super PACs,” claimed Bill Burton, who runs a Democratic “super PAC” political action committee, dubbed Priorities USA Action, that is itself designed to run negative ads against Gov. Mitt Romney.

The Wright-focused advertising campaign is being designed by campaign ad guru Fred Davis, and was commissioned by Joe Ricketts, who founded the brokerage firm TD Ameritrade, according to the May 17 article in the New York Times.

“The world is about to see Jeremiah Wright and understand his influence on Barack Obama for the first time in a big, attention-arresting way,” says the proposal, according to the Times.

Burton’s tweet came at 5.58 a.m. — some 16 minutes after the alert from Axelrod, who has worked in Chicago politics for decades.

At 9.05 a.m., Brad Woodhouse, the spokesman for the Democratic National Committee, joined the hue and cry. “Unbelievable @MittRomney can’t do more on this Ricketts slime story than say he hasn’t read the story,” he said in reaction to a Washington Post report that Romney declined to comment.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; democrats; elections; jeremiahwright; obama; revwright; wright

1 posted on 05/17/2012 8:25:30 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
Will Mitt stand up, as [Sen.] John McCain did?

Because McCain's "Standing up" worked so well for McCain, the GOP, the U.S., and the world...

2 posted on 05/17/2012 8:28:52 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Sub-Driver
"Obama’s aides freak over possible Rev. Wright-themed attack ads "

Romney's aides and the GOPe freak over possible Rev. Wright-themed attack ads

3 posted on 05/17/2012 8:28:52 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Mitt will permit the slime (I hope)...he certainly had no problem sliming Newt!


4 posted on 05/17/2012 8:32:18 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Sow the wind...reap the whirlwind!)
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To: Sub-Driver
The ad won't change any minds about who to vote for but it may make some that voted for Obama to stay home.
5 posted on 05/17/2012 8:41:37 AM PDT by tobyhill (Conservatives are proud of themselves, Liberals lie about themselves)
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To: Sub-Driver

Axelrod is squealing like the greasy little pig he is.


6 posted on 05/17/2012 8:43:03 AM PDT by paddles ("The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." Tacitus)
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To: RoosterRedux

I’m reading The Amateur (please see: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2884065/posts )

and recommendation that others do also. The book includes a candid interview with Rev Jeremiah Wright. He speaks very freely about the presidential campaign and his relationship with Obama.

Funny how McCain considered any reference to Obama’s religion, his church etc as “Sliming”. Why is telling the truth “Sliming”. All one needs to do is read the book and get the truth.

Truth is Wright says that Obama was Muslim and struggling with being in a Christian church and how to perceive Jesus.

Truth is Michelle was never brought up in a church. The first time was when she got married.

Truth is Obama was a fervent church goer and follower of Black Liberation Ideology.

Bottom line, Romney still needs to earn my vote and the votes of many of us here. He’ll go a long way in my book, if he attacks Obama in the same fashion that he attacked Newt.


7 posted on 05/17/2012 8:43:19 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Sub-Driver
“The world is about to see Jeremiah Wright and understand his influence on Barack Obama for the first time in a big, attention-arresting way,” says the proposal, according to the Times.

Well, that could get real interesting to see, if nothing else.
8 posted on 05/17/2012 8:45:46 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: RoosterRedux

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2884871/posts

NOPE


9 posted on 05/17/2012 8:45:54 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (How do you say Arkanicide in Kenyan?)
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To: Sub-Driver
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"God D*** America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11"
--Rev Dr. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's "pastor" for twenty years

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"America’s chickens... are coming home... to ROOST!"

10 posted on 05/17/2012 8:46:02 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Sub-Driver
Obama's pastor isn't the only one who advocated communist "Black liberation"...

"Their founding document [the Weather Underground's] called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements[1] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."..."-Berger, Dan (2006). Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity. AK Press, 95.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_Underground#cite_ref-Berger_0-0

Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity (Paperback) by Dan Berger
http://www.amazon.com/Outlaws-America-Underground-Politics-Solidarity/dp/1904859410
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From the New York Times, August 24, 2003

"they [the Weather Underground] employed revolutionary jargon, advocated armed struggle and black liberation and began bombing buildings, taking responsibility for at least 20 attacks. Estimates of their number ranged at times from several dozen to several hundred."

Article: Quieter Lives for 60's Militants, but Intensity of Beliefs Hasn't Faded
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E4DE1539F937A1575BC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
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Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright and Dr. William Ayers
are greeted by Rebekah Levin with the Committee
for a Just Peace in Israel and Palestine.
(Chuck Berman/Chicago Tribune / May 17, 2009)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-ayers_wrightmay18,0,6689521.story

11 posted on 05/17/2012 8:48:39 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Sub-Driver

Today, on his morning radio program, Beck made an on-air offer of $150,000 for what Rev. Wright claims he has “in the box”.


12 posted on 05/17/2012 8:53:58 AM PDT by Errant
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To: nikos1121; All
Truth is Obama was a fervent church goer and follower of Black Liberation Theology.

The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine
Monday , May 5, 2008
FoxNews/Hannity's America
[special Friday night edition--original airdate May 2, 2008]

(some key excerpts)

["(Jose) Diaz-Balart is the son of Rafael Diaz-Balart y Guitierrez (a former Cuban politician). He has three bothers, Rafael Diaz-Balart (a banker), Mario Diaz-Balart (a US Congressman) and Lincoln Diaz-Balart (also a US Congressman). His aunt, Mirta Diaz-Balart, was Fidel Castro's first wife."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Diaz-Balart]

JOSE DIAZ-BALART, TELEMUNDO NETWORK: "Liberation theology in Nicaragua in the mid-1980's was a pro-Sandinista, pro-Marxist, anti-U.S., anti-Catholic Church movement. That's it. No ifs, ands, or buts. His church apparently supported, in the mid-'80s in Nicaragua, groups that supported the Sandinista dictatorships and that were opposed to the Contras whose reason for being was calling for elections. That's all I know. I was there.

I saw the churches in Nicaragua that he spoke of, and the churches were churches that talked about the need for violent revolution and I remember clearly one of the major churches in Managua where the Jesus Christ on the altar was not Jesus Christ, he was a Sandinista soldier, and the priests talked about the corruption of the West, talked about the need for revolution everywhere, and talked about 'the evil empire' which was the United States of America."

REV. BOB SCHENCK, NATIONAL CLERGY COUNCIL: "it's based in Marxism. At the core of his [Wright's] theology is really an anti-Christian understanding of God, and as part of a long history of individuals who actually advocate using violence in overthrowing those they perceive to be oppressing them, even acts of murder have been defended by followers of liberation theology. That's very, very dangerous."

SCHENCK: "I was actually the only person escorted to Dr. Wright. He asked to see me, and I simply welcomed him to Washington, and then I said Dr. Wright, I want to bring you a warning: your embrace of Marxist liberation theology. It is contrary to the Gospel, and you need, sir, to abandon it. And at that he dropped the handshake and made it clear that he was not in the mood to dialogue on that point."

Source: The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354158,00.html
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Obama's Church: Gospel of Hate
Kathy Shaidle, FrontPageMag.com
Monday, April 07, 2008

In March of 2007, FOX News host Sean Hannity had engaged Obama’s pastor in a heated interview about his Church’s teachings. For many viewers, the ensuing shouting match was their first exposure to "Black Liberation Theology"...

Like the pro-communist Liberation Theology that swept Central America in the 1980s and was repeatedly condemned by Pope John Paul II, Black Liberation Theology combines warmed-over 1960s vintage Marxism with carefully distorted biblical passages. However, in contrast to traditional Marxism, it emphasizes race rather than class. The Christian notion of "salvation" in the afterlife is superseded by "liberation" on earth, courtesy of the establishment of a socialist utopia.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=30CD9E14-B0C9-4F8C-A0A6-A896F0F44F02
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Catholics for Marx [Liberation Theology]
By Fr. Robert Sirico
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, June 03, 2004

In the days when the Superpowers were locked in a Cold War, Latin America seethed with revolution, and millions lived behind an iron curtain, a group of theologians concocted a novel idea within the history of Christianity. They proposed to combine the teachings of Jesus with the teachings of Marx as a way of justifying violent revolution to overthrow the economics of capitalism.

The Gospels were re-rendered not as doctrine impacting on the human soul but rather as windows into the historical dialectic of class struggle. These "liberation theologians" saw every biblical criticism of the rich as a mandate to expropriate the expropriating owners of capital, and every expression of compassion for the poor as a call for an uprising by the proletarian class of peasants and workers.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=460782B7-35CC-4C9E-A2C5-93832067C7CD
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Malik Zulu Shabazz, chairman of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense (NBPP):
"We believe in a Black first philosophy and a Black Liberation Theology."
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1858.shtml
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“Although it [The New Black Panther Party] says it sees capitalism as the fundamental problem with the world and “revolution” as the solution, the new party does not draw its influences from Marxism or Maoism as the original party did. Instead, in a carefully-worded, roundabout form of ethnic nationalism,[8] they say that Marx based his ideology and teachings on indigenous African cultures, and that the NBPP therefore need not look to Marxism or Maoism as a basis for their program, but can look to ideologies that stem directly from those African origins.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party#Philosophy.2C_ideology.2C_and_criticism

13 posted on 05/17/2012 8:54:50 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: nikos1121; All
Truth is Wright says that Obama was Muslim and struggling with being in a Christian church and how to perceive Jesus.

Correct. Truth is Wright says that Obama was Muslim and struggling with being in a Christian church and how to perceive Jesus.

Keyword: (Wright) "SAYS"

Of course all or most of us know you can't believe what communists say.

14 posted on 05/17/2012 8:59:04 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Sub-Driver
Obama was a Communist from way back. He didn't just become one after meeting "reverend" Wright.

Obama Espoused Radical [Communist] Views in College
Steve Malzberg - WOR News Talk Radio 710 ^ | February 12, 2010 | Ronald Kessler

Dr. John C. Drew, a grant writing consultant in Laguna Niguel, Calif., tells Newsmax he met Obama in 1980 when Obama was a sophomore at Occidental College in Los Angeles. Drew had just graduated from Occidental and was attending graduate school at Cornell University.

During Christmas break, Drew says he was at Grauman-Boss’ home in Palo Alto when Obama came over with Mohammed Hasan Chandoo, his roommate from Pakistan.

“Barack [Obama] and Hasan showed up at the house in a BMW, and then we went to a restaurant together,” Drew says. “We had a nice meal, and then we came back to the house and smoked cigarettes and drank and argued politics.”

For the next several hours, they discussed Marxism.

He [Obama] was arguing a straightforward Marxist-Leninist class-struggle point of view, which anticipated that there would be a revolution of the working class, led by revolutionaries, who would overthrow the capitalist system and institute a new socialist government that would redistribute the wealth,” says Drew, who says he himself was then a Marxist.

The idea was basically that wealthy people were exploiting others,” Drew says. “That this was the secret of their wealth, that they weren’t paying others enough for their work, and they were using and taking advantage of other people. He was convinced that a revolution would take place, and it would be a good thing.”

Drew concluded that Obama thought of himself as “part of an intelligent, radical vanguard that was leading the way towards this revolution and towards this new society.” ..."

Referring to Obama’s quote from “Dreams of My Father” that he associated with Marxist professors, Drew says, “What he’s not saying is that he was in 100 percent total agreement with those Marxist professors. When you understand that, Obama’s later associations and policies make more sense, including why he was taken in by Rev. Wright’s ideology.”

15 posted on 05/17/2012 9:02:51 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Placemarker


16 posted on 05/17/2012 9:08:03 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: ETL

Not sure what your point is, unless you agree with me, that references to Wright is not SLIMING Obama as that Idiot McCain claimed.

Boy we can really pick the best candidates can’t we:

Ford, Dole, McCain... Hopefully Romney will show some guts here....


17 posted on 05/17/2012 9:19:38 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Sub-Driver

Wasn’t there a story a few weeks ago concerning Zer0 or one of his minions attacking Mormonism?


18 posted on 05/17/2012 9:20:14 AM PDT by Vinnie (A)
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To: Sub-Driver
McCain's problem was that he DID NOT stand up to Obama. He let Obama slide regarding his connections to Wright, Ayers and all the other commies and lefties with whom Obama associated. That's a big reason why McCain LOST.
19 posted on 05/17/2012 9:23:29 AM PDT by Signalman ( November, 2012-The End of an Error)
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To: Sub-Driver

GOP super PACs will show the Obama team how to do it the old Chicago way.
Bet the Obama team will find out they are not the thugs they think they are,a$$ kicking to ensue.


20 posted on 05/17/2012 9:38:46 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: ETL

Hannity played an audio of this moron complaining that people come up to him in airports and scream at him because of his little attack on our beloved nation. He was really whining about it! What a putz...


21 posted on 05/17/2012 9:39:10 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: RoosterRedux

It’ll be done by a Romney supporting superpac that Romney doesn’t control so that he has plausible deniability.


22 posted on 05/17/2012 9:49:01 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: nikos1121
Not sure what your point is, unless you agree with me

Fair enough. I just didn't see any mention in your comments on Black Liberation Theology of it being a communist-concocted, phony-baloney church movement. Then again, there was no mention that I noticed in the posted article either, at least not in the excerpt above.

23 posted on 05/17/2012 10:01:46 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Good strategy. Take a truthful,devastating story about your candidate, break the news first then blame the monsters from your opponent that report the accurate story.


24 posted on 05/17/2012 10:07:40 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: miss marmelstein
Hannity played an audio of this moron complaining that people come up to him in airports and scream at him because of his little attack on our beloved nation.

Wright actually made an a** of Hannity during his 2007 interview on Hannity & Colmes. Hannity didn't know squat about it at the time, other than that it was racist. He still barely talks about the communist angle of it. People like Hannity often do more harm than good with their inexcusable ignorance in these areas. What sort of a research staff does he have? A bunch of 20-year-old know-nothing college kids?

"Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal".--James (Jim) Cone,
African American Religious Thought: An Anthology (Paperback)
by Cornel West (Editor), Eddie S. Glaude Jr. (Editor)
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SEAN HANNITY: But Reverend Jeremiah Wright is not backing down and has not for years and in his strong stance on the teaching of black liberation theology is nothing new. He had the same things to say last spring when he appeared on "Hannity & Colmes:"

WRIGHT: If you're not going to talk about theology in context, if you're not going to talk about liberation theology that came out of the '60s, systematized black liberation theology that started with Jim Cone in 1968 and the writings of Cone and the writings of Dwight Hopkins and the writings of womynist theologians and Asian theologians and Hispanic theologians, then you can't talk about the black value system.

HANNITY: But I'm a — reverend

WRIGHT: Do you know liberation theology, sir?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354158,00.html
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Catholics for Marx [Liberation Theology]
By Fr. Robert Sirico
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, June 03, 2004

In the days when the Superpowers were locked in a Cold War, Latin America seethed with revolution, and millions lived behind an iron curtain, a group of theologians concocted a novel idea within the history of Christianity. They proposed to combine the teachings of Jesus with the teachings of Marx as a way of justifying violent revolution to overthrow the economics of capitalism.

The Gospels were re-rendered not as doctrine impacting on the human soul but rather as windows into the historical dialectic of class struggle. These "liberation theologians" saw every biblical criticism of the rich as a mandate to expropriate the expropriating owners of capital, and every expression of compassion for the poor as a call for an uprising by the proletarian class of peasants and workers.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=460782B7-35CC-4C9E-A2C5-93832067C7CD

25 posted on 05/17/2012 10:09:57 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Because McCain's "Standing up" worked so well for McCain, the GOP, the U.S., and the world...

McCain didn't stand up, he rolled over.

26 posted on 05/17/2012 10:53:15 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Sub-Driver
The idea that one can sit in the pews for two decades, listening to a Pastor who denounces America in strident tones, and then claim that it is unfair for people to consider that attendance in assessing that congregant's judgment, is merely silly.

But what really should wake people up, is that Obama is actually well to the Left of Rev. Wright. Rev. Wright may not like White people, but he does at least believe in urging his congregants to take personal responsibility. Not so, Obama. (Race & Ethnic Politics--2008.)

Whether the far Left likes the point, or not: We need to make sure that every American understands just how inappropriate has been Obama's "preparation" for public office--any public office!

William Flax

27 posted on 05/17/2012 11:08:10 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Sub-Driver
"Or allow the purveyors of slime to operate on his behalf?” claimed a 5.42 a.m. tweet from David Axelrod"

This from one of the leading 'purveyors of slime' currently operating in American politics.

Once again, the corrupt & arrogant hypocrisy of the left knows no bounds.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

28 posted on 05/17/2012 11:47:07 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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hateful campaign being planned by GOP super PACs,

So let me get this straight... It's "hateful" to publicize one's political opponents' multi-decade long association with a "preacher" who spouts "hate-speech?"

I guess it's "hateful" to point out "hate."

Mark

29 posted on 05/17/2012 12:49:24 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: ETL

The book basically has WRight throwing OBama under the bus. I’m told Klein will be on Hannity tonight.

I’m wondered if this the rope a dope...Maybe not concocted by Obama, but by those around him who now realize THAT HE WILL NEVER GET ELECTED.

So, let’s discredit the guy to the point that he will not run, and then they’ll get someone else in there.

The book basically says that there are alot of pissed off people out there from Oprah to Wright to many high rolling Jews who supported OBama who ended up getting ignored by the guy.

But more important is the fact that they guy surrounded himself with idiots.

We’re on the same page with this Black Lib Theo. Wright actually is a very articulate fellow. I sense that he is first and foremost a true Christian in the sense that he believes in Jesus, but from that point on things get pretty distorted and tainted by materialistic realities.

The man ain’t poor. He is not a living Jesus or Ghandi. You know, that’s what this world needs. Someone truly rich in the spirit, though poor in material things. Has our generation had a Ghandi? Money is power, but so is the word.

The time is truly ripe for Jesus.


30 posted on 05/17/2012 3:40:49 PM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Sub-Driver
GOOD! Playing nice only works when the other guy plays nice. I don't like lies, but I see nothing wrong with trying to expose a politicians sordid history. And by sordid I mean anti American, socialist, and sympathetic to our enemies.
31 posted on 05/17/2012 3:41:19 PM PDT by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: Sub-Driver
GOOD! Playing nice only works when the other guy plays nice. I don't like lies, but I see nothing wrong with trying to expose a politicians sordid history. And by sordid I mean anti American, socialist, and sympathetic to our enemies.
32 posted on 05/17/2012 3:47:58 PM PDT by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: nikos1121
I'm told Klein will be on Hannity tonight.

He was on last night.....part two?

33 posted on 05/17/2012 3:55:20 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Sub-Driver

With all this flak they must be over the target. Bombs away.

What I really suspect is a type of public blackmail purposed to stop Obama and Co. from discussing Mitt’s religion. A quid pro quo of MAD. That said, does anyone ever trust a liberal?


34 posted on 05/17/2012 4:22:28 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Churchillspirit

God who knows anymore... I’m just a poor country doctor...who tuned his tv off three months ago and who is happy as a clam.... a real clam....


35 posted on 05/17/2012 7:39:02 PM PDT by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121
I sense that he is first and foremost a true Christian in the sense that he believes in Jesus

You don't understand what Black Liberation Theology is, do you? Sure, most of its followers truly believe in Jesus, but not the guys at the pulpit and others running the show. The followers are being used and manipulated by the communists.

36 posted on 05/17/2012 10:18:27 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

True...


37 posted on 05/18/2012 3:25:14 AM PDT by nikos1121
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Click the link.
The Republic you save may be your own.


38 posted on 05/18/2012 5:23:51 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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