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What was it? Unknown flying object nearly causes mid-air collision above Denver (Drone?)
Daily Mail Online ^ | 5/16/2012 | daily mail staff

Posted on 05/17/2012 9:30:09 AM PDT by JohnKinAK

Aviation authorities are scratching their heads over a mysterious flying object in the skies above Colorado that almost caused a mid-air crash.

The object was sighted by a commercial jet pilot, who claimed to air traffic controllers that some kind of flying craft got too close for comfort on Monday.

In a transmission that appeared on LiveATC.net, the operator of the Cessna Citation 525 CJ1 says: 'A remote controlled aircraft, or what?

Trouble in the air: The object reportedly came dangerously close to the private jet, but it never appeared on radar

'Something just went by the other way ... About 20 to 30 seconds ago. It was like a large remote-controlled aircraft.'

A spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration, Mike Fergus, told 9News that it is working to get some answers, and that if the pilot’s story is true, such an object can be extremely dangerous.

Mr Fergus said: 'The threat is there from a collision standpoint. We'll do as much as we can here to try to track back what time it was. Suspects: The pilot suggested that the craft may have been a radio-controlled plane, like the one seen here

Suspects: The pilot suggested that the craft may have been a radio-controlled plane, like the one seen here

In an emailed statement to USA Today, the agency said: 'The FAA is investigating the incident and will try to positively identify the object the Citation pilot reported, where it came from and who was operating it.' A bird? Greg Feith also posed the idea that in the pilots haste, he may have mistaken it for a large bird

Mr Feith said that the object could have been either a military or police drone or a large radio-controlled craft - like the pilot suggested.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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Big Brother over Denver?
1 posted on 05/17/2012 9:30:16 AM PDT by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK

How high do birds generally fly?

The article says the plane was 2800ft over the ground.


2 posted on 05/17/2012 9:37:51 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: JohnKinAK

That settles it. I’m not flying to Denver any more. I’ll drive from now on.


3 posted on 05/17/2012 9:38:58 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (There's no shame in attacking a criminal's bean bag. -- Ron Swanson)
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To: chrisser
"How high do birds generally fly?"

I've seen raptors in flight well above 12,000 feet.

4 posted on 05/17/2012 9:39:15 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: JohnKinAK

“Greg Feith also posed the idea that in the pilots haste, he may have mistaken it for a large bird”

Sure Greg.


5 posted on 05/17/2012 9:43:49 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Forget the GOP and build the Constitution Party, because the status quo is no longer the way to go.)
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To: billorites

Wow!

Thanks!


6 posted on 05/17/2012 9:45:33 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: JohnKinAK

“Big Brother over Denver?”

I think UC Boulder is building UAVs. I’m sure they’re getting lots of funding from the FEDS. They’re fighting terrorism.


7 posted on 05/17/2012 9:50:45 AM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: JohnKinAK

8 posted on 05/17/2012 9:51:27 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: chrisser

Migratory birds can easily reach theses heights. But an experienced pilot would have recognized a high flying bird easily; he’s seen them many times over. Not a bird he saw.


9 posted on 05/17/2012 9:52:13 AM PDT by Dysart (2012: Year of the queer)
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To: JohnKinAK

Probably some RC hobbyist playing with his toys.............


10 posted on 05/17/2012 9:57:19 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: JohnKinAK

“Large.”

How large?


11 posted on 05/17/2012 10:03:27 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (Non-compliant, not govt-issued, and not voting for Romney.)
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To: JohnKinAK

A UFO piloted by Bigfoot?


12 posted on 05/17/2012 10:08:56 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: JohnKinAK

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17805201

Iran has begun building a copy of the US surveillance drone it captured last year, after breaking its encryption codes, Iranian officials say.

“The Americans should be aware to what extent we have infiltrated the plane,” General Amir Ali Hajizadeh, military aerospace chief said.

The RQ-170 Sentinel was shown on Iranian state television last December.

Tehran says it was brought down using electronic warfare; Washington says it malfunctioned.

US Senator Joe Lieberman dismissed the claim that a copy was being made as “Iranian bluster” saying, “they’re on the defensive because of our economic sanctions against them”.

But Gen Hajizadeh said: “Our experts have full understanding of its components and programmes.”

He said that Iran had managed to hack the controls of the drone, thus enabling the Iranians to reverse-engineer the aircraft to make its own copy.

US officials have previously asked for the drone to be returned but Iran has refused, saying that the US should instead apologise for invading Iranian air space.

Washington has long said that Iran will find it hard to exploit any data and technology aboard it because of measures taken to limit the intelligence value of drones operating over hostile territory.

Although analysts believe lessons could certainly be learnt about how the machine was put together, reverse-engineering has generally been seen by experts as beyond Iran’s capability.


13 posted on 05/17/2012 10:12:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Grampa Dave

I’m wondering if the Iranians jammed the drone until it ran out of fuel and landed on it’s own. That suggests interesting possibilities.


14 posted on 05/17/2012 10:15:09 AM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: JohnKinAK

I was at Gene Coulon park in Renton about 20 years ago flying a kite. I use fishing line so it can go pretty much straight up. Anyway, the boeing plant and the renton airport are nearby. Lots of small aircraft landing and taking off.

The cops actually showed up and told me to reel it in.


15 posted on 05/17/2012 10:17:25 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: meatloaf
"I’m wondering if the Iranians jammed the drone until it ran out of fuel and landed on it’s own. That suggests interesting possibilities."

Although somebody here may set me straight, I would have to assume that our drones use some type of SINCGARS series radios. In frequency hop mode, the radios jump frequencies 111 x second. Both radios are programmed with the same hopset and are synched, so one would need the specific set of frequencies and be synched with them to "jam" the drone. What's far more disturbing is the possibility that the signals/commands were being somehow hacked or compromised before they were transmitted.

16 posted on 05/17/2012 10:26:41 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I think strong enough broadband noise could be transmitted to locally blanket all frequencies ,so hopping wouldn’t matter.If the desired signal is buried in enough noise it won’t be recoverable.Not a new idea.


17 posted on 05/17/2012 10:31:11 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: hoosierham

Iranians don’t have that capability.

The UAV glitched and went into a hold pattern (as it is programmed to do while waiting for the link to re-establish).

Eventually it ran out of fuel. It kept trimming during its flight and flat-landed.

Nothing complicated about it.

Lost link and other issues happen, especially with new technology.

The Iranians are third world and don’t have a jamming capability to do anything, and they certainly don’t have the reverse engineering capability to do anything with the wreckage.

The software is protected and any attempt to hack the software would result in all the threads coming undone. . .resulting in useless and random code, no help to anyone.


18 posted on 05/17/2012 10:46:54 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: JohnKinAK

People are making their own recon drones these days and they scoff the notion of having to get FAA approval. Some are even on this site.


19 posted on 05/17/2012 10:48:09 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: meatloaf

“I’m wondering if the Iranians jammed the drone until it ran out of fuel and landed on it’s own. That suggests interesting possibilities.”

I’m sure that would/could have been possible. Or knock out its GPS system and wait until it came back down.


20 posted on 05/17/2012 10:49:39 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: cuban leaf

Depending on the altitude of your kite and your exact location, you were operating an aircraft in Class B or D airspace without establishing two way communications with air traffic control. And you were in side the Mode C veil, which requires a transponder.

No, I’m not kidding. A kite is an aircraft.


21 posted on 05/17/2012 10:50:25 AM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: JohnKinAK

I think this is about the first time the media hasn’t called these events “near misses”. Maybe the grammar police are making progress.


22 posted on 05/17/2012 10:56:16 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (I don't mind you hitting me, Frank, but take it easy on the Bacardi.)
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To: JohnKinAK

It’s worth it if some guys trying to steal some cows.


23 posted on 05/17/2012 10:57:09 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: JohnKinAK
Maybe its the new predator killer we've been working on?
24 posted on 05/17/2012 11:04:28 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd
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To: JohnKinAK
Maybe its the new predator killer we've been working on?
25 posted on 05/17/2012 11:04:28 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd
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To: JohnKinAK
I had lots of people tel me this: Surveillance Drone Spotted Near Chicago - For NATO Summit? is fake.

But how many incidents do we need before "coincidence" is ruled out?

26 posted on 05/17/2012 11:05:29 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Lady Lucky
How large?

I've owned models with 9' (108") wingspans that weighed in at 35Lbs powered by a converted 6hp chainsaw engine swinging a 28" wood propeller.

27 posted on 05/17/2012 11:30:58 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: JohnKinAK
...the object could have been either a military or police drone ...

Police Drone ???? Has it come to that?

28 posted on 05/17/2012 12:24:10 PM PDT by Vinnie (A)
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To: Vinnie
Police Drone ???? Has it come to that?

It started when we let them use radar, now we're all on the Truman Show.

29 posted on 05/17/2012 12:28:38 PM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: CFIIIMEIATP737

I actually saw one plane veer to the side to avoid it.


30 posted on 05/17/2012 1:23:16 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I doubt the commands were hacked. Once you know the frequency range you simply jam every frequency being used in the range. With a stronger jamming signal, the commands are lost in the noise. It doesn’t matter how many times the frequency changes during the period.

There’s nothing really high tech involved.


31 posted on 05/17/2012 1:29:53 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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