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White House Objects to Legislation Protecting Military Chaplains from Doing Same-Sex Weddings
http://cnsnews.com ^ | 05/17/2012 | Patrick Goodenough

Posted on 05/17/2012 9:56:48 AM PDT by massmike

The Obama administration “strongly objects” to provisions in a House defense authorization bill that would prohibit the use of military property for same-sex “marriage or marriage-like” ceremonies, and protect military chaplains from negative repercussions for refusing to act against their consciences, as, for example, in being ordered to perform a same-sex marriage ceremony.

In a policy statement released Wednesday, the White House Office of Management and Budget outlined numerous objections to aspects of the fiscal year 2013 National Defense Authorization Bill (H.R. 4310). The bill was reported out of the House Armed Services Committee last week and is set to be debated in the House, beginning Wednesday.

Overall, it recommends that President Obama veto H.R. 4310 if its cumulative effects “impede the ability of the Administration to execute the new defense strategy and to properly direct scarce resources.”

The veto warning is not specifically linked to the two provisions dealing with marriage, but they are listed among parts of the bill which the administration finds objectionable.

The memo said the two provisions “adopt unnecessary and ill-advised policies that would inhibit the ability of same-sex couples to marry or enter a recognized relationship under State law.”

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White House 'Strongly Objects' to Legislation Protecting Military Chaplains from Doing Same-Sex Weddings or Being Forced to Act Against Conscience

1 posted on 05/17/2012 9:56:59 AM PDT by massmike
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To: massmike

They are going to force Catholic and Orthodox Jewish Chaplains to perform ceremonies they are forbidden to perform?


2 posted on 05/17/2012 10:00:18 AM PDT by AU72
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To: massmike
Since DADT was repealed, I have been on the record stating that Christian Chaplains will be disciplined and even Court Martialed if they defend basic Biblical values in the face of pro-queer military regulations.

And this article just confirms the facts. Christian Chaplains in our Armed Forces are an endangered species.

Obastard is doing his best to eradicate any and all Godly virtues left in the military today.

3 posted on 05/17/2012 10:04:48 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: massmike

I assume a military chaplain is subject to whatever rules (or stupid rules) that come from up the chain of command. Including the retard-in-chief.

If so, once again we have Obama waging a war on Christians. We’re apparently supposed to set aside beliefs (i.e. abortion is wrong, same sex marriage is wrong, etc.) because that’s what President Urkel wants. How about he just out himself as a muslim and a commie and get it over with? At this point there wouldn’t be any shock value, we already know it.


4 posted on 05/17/2012 10:05:54 AM PDT by Made In The USA (Bacon wrapped in bacon, wrapped in bacon, wrapped in bacon...)
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To: AU72

First move with ultimate goal of getting rid of chaplains altogether.


5 posted on 05/17/2012 10:05:54 AM PDT by Argus
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To: AU72

I told my Pastor to be ready to be thrown in jail for refusing to perform same-sex marriages. He said that it would never happen. I replied “just be ready.”

-Frank


6 posted on 05/17/2012 10:06:35 AM PDT by thepoodlebites (and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.)
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To: AU72

They are NOT going to force Catholic and Jewish Chaplains to perform these ceremonies.

Any Catholic or Jewish Chaplain who performs such an act is automatically giving up his religion.

What they are going to do is force all catholic and Jewish Chaplains, and any other Chaplain who is loyal to the Bible out of the military completely.

That is the purpose of this.


7 posted on 05/17/2012 10:10:36 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: AU72

speechless!

WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD TO REALIZE WE HAVE TO OUST THIS MONSTER?


8 posted on 05/17/2012 10:11:12 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: AU72

all the military works for obama, so he says


9 posted on 05/17/2012 10:12:45 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: Venturer

and all the imams, too

surely there are gay muslims who just can’t wait to marry each other


10 posted on 05/17/2012 10:13:53 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: thepoodlebites
I told my pastor the same thing almost a decade ago. At the time he gently laughed and said something to the effect of "this is America, things like that can't happen here".

I reminded him of it again about a year ago and his eyes are wide open now. But I think the majority are still asleep.

11 posted on 05/17/2012 10:15:22 AM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: thepoodlebites
I told my Pastor to be ready to be thrown in jail for refusing to perform same-sex marriages. He said that it would never happen. I replied “just be ready.”

As you should be ready to be thrown into surprise and dismay when you learn, as you just may, that it "would never happen" because he will ultimately decide not to refuse to perform the ceremonies.

I don't know him, but...just be ready.

12 posted on 05/17/2012 10:15:22 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (Non-compliant, not govt-issued, and not voting for Romney.)
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To: AU72

speechless!

WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD TO REALIZE WE HAVE TO OUST THIS MONSTER?


13 posted on 05/17/2012 10:19:41 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: massmike

Why wouldn’t you want someone to participate in your joyous union who actually agrees with what you are doing and doesn’t insult their religious conscience????

Because......


14 posted on 05/17/2012 10:21:00 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: massmike

Rest assured that Muslim chaplins (an oxymoron if there ever was one) will be excused.


15 posted on 05/17/2012 10:23:09 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: GlockThe Vote
"WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD TO REALIZE WE HAVE TO OUST THIS MONSTER?"

This sure won't do it. Mitt Romney is every bit as sympathetic toward the gay agenda as Obama is. It'll make no difference whatsoever in that regard.

And I for one will never vote for a godless pro-sodomite liar.

16 posted on 05/17/2012 10:23:22 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (Non-compliant, not govt-issued, and not voting for Romney.)
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To: AU72

Speechless.

FFFFUUUBBBOOO

ABO IN NOVEMBER!


17 posted on 05/17/2012 10:24:50 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: jboot
Great book called "It Can't Happen Here" about a dictatorship coming to America by Sinclair Lewis in 1935!

Oh yes they can!!!!!!!!!

18 posted on 05/17/2012 10:25:57 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama's favorite tactic is scapegoating successful Americans.)
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To: Lady Lucky

Fine - just do me a huge favor - if Obama wins by a smal margin don’t complain or say a word at what he does in his second term since you will have contributed to it just as much as an obama voter.

Thanks.


19 posted on 05/17/2012 10:31:50 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Lady Lucky
He may have been slow to see the onslaught coming, but in his case I doubt he will bend when it hits. He has already been fired by two churches because he was unwilling to tolerate openly homosexual church officers, and from another for holding the line against heterosexual perverts. He's lost two homes, several years wages and his retirement for standing by his principles.

I'd add that his wife supported him 100% throughout, even when his decisions caused the family to be uprooted and cast adrift. She deserves as much credit as he does.

20 posted on 05/17/2012 10:32:51 AM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: massmike

The separation of government intrusion into matters of religious principle are gone under Obamunism.

The ACLU is missing in action as usual.

Celebrate sin, marry members of the same sex.

Pay more taxes to redistribute your wealth to the poor because Jesus said we are our brother’s keeper, so sayeth Lord Obama.

I do not belong to Barack Hussein Obama’s secular-humanist-communist-islamist version of Christian and CANNOT be required to pay indulgences to it. His religious argument to paying more taxes should have negated any requirement to pay taxes at all.


21 posted on 05/17/2012 10:35:18 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: Rapscallion
"Oh yes they can!"

I think they already have.


22 posted on 05/17/2012 10:39:10 AM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: massmike

I object to this White House.

LLS


23 posted on 05/17/2012 10:41:19 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: massmike
I entered seminary back in 1997 with the express intent of becoming a chaplain. I had been in the military at that point for 10 years.

By the time I graduated with my doctorate, I no longer wanted to be a chaplain. I could read the handwriting on the wall. I know me: my mouth...my uncompromising nature...and I knew what was coming. I'm still enlisted and it was the best decision I ever made.

24 posted on 05/17/2012 10:43:10 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: massmike

Only Muzzi chaplins will receive the exemption.....


25 posted on 05/17/2012 10:49:28 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: Venturer

You nailed it!


26 posted on 05/17/2012 11:00:40 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: GlockThe Vote
don’t complain or say a word at what he does in his second term

Doesn't work that way. I will continue to speak out about how the GOP lost because they pushed for a pro-abort, anti-gun liberal with their dirty tricks, rule changes, and bad-mouthing conservatives.

/johnny

27 posted on 05/17/2012 11:03:20 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: massmike

Isn’t the seperation of Church and State supposed to be a two-way street?

I know, I know, its not in the USC. I’m just saying the left is always playing the church/state card anytime someone whispers a prayer 500 ft of any government facility but the government can now supoosedly make church leaders go against their beliefs.
What is next submitting to Islam?


28 posted on 05/17/2012 11:05:49 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: massmike; LiteKeeper; bethelgrad
order..to perform...same sex marriage

A Chaplain cannot be so ordered. It would be an illegal order. Chaplains already are required to be full representatives of their denomination, that is, their endorsing faith group.

It is illegal to obey an illegal order.

I speak as a retired chaplain.

Beyond that, this really is an issue of God's place in the life of any chaplain. Religious liberty is a RIGHT granted by God. No UCMJ, Congress, President, or superior officer can take it away.

Therefore, even if this were to be instituted as law, it would still be illegal in the eyes of God and must be opposed by any chaplain.

29 posted on 05/17/2012 11:52:12 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of Our Troops Pray they Win every Fight!)
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To: massmike

Quite frankly, if we have to shut most of the military down in order to avoid sodomizing it completely, this is the honorable thing to do.

We can get it going strong again when we have some measure of sanity restored to government.


30 posted on 05/17/2012 12:08:36 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: AU72
They are going to force Catholic and Orthodox Jewish Chaplains to perform ceremonies they are forbidden to perform?

This is, first and foremost, the Military, where you give up a large measure of your rights when you sign up. If something isn't specifically forbidden by military code, it is fair game.

So yes, chaplains could be ordered by a superior office to perform a fake marriage when another willing chaplain isn't available and some activist sodomite demands it.

31 posted on 05/17/2012 12:12:57 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: JRandomFreeper

Whatever - no one but someone who wasnt even running would satisfy some of you people.


32 posted on 05/17/2012 12:17:10 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote
WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD TO REALIZE WE HAVE TO OUST THIS MONSTER?

You do realize that Romney is IN FAVOR of this policy of sodomizing our military just like Obama, don't you?

It will be not a wit different with Romney in charge.

33 posted on 05/17/2012 12:17:22 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: GlockThe Vote
Fine - just do me a huge favor - if Obama wins by a smal margin don’t complain or say a word at what he does in his second term

And, you'll agree to do the same if Romney gets in and is a disaster?

34 posted on 05/17/2012 12:20:37 PM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: GlockThe Vote
Whatever - no one but someone who wasnt even running would satisfy some of you people.

That is completely untrue. I was on the Anybody but Romney bandwagon. I would have been happy with Perry, Cain, Newt or Santorum.

I refuse to support someone, though, whose record is to the left of Bill Clinton and who can't be trusted on a single issue.

35 posted on 05/17/2012 12:23:49 PM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Not so. A true REFORMER, not someone with Romney’s lousy history, would have my vote without a second thought.
this election is possibly the greatest lost opportunity since Goldwater?


36 posted on 05/17/2012 12:33:59 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: Kazan

No not at all, I hate romney and pray he can be controlled.

But Obama in a second term is lethal blow we will never recover from.


37 posted on 05/17/2012 12:55:38 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote
To: AU72

speechless!

WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD TO REALIZE WE HAVE TO OUST THIS MONSTER?

That's easy: For Romney (which a handful of Freepers are blinded by their HATE for Mittens and Mormons) to drop out.

Of course, I'm still waiting for any of these naive, uninformed and delusional souls to provide us with anything that is even, close, to being as bad as what the FASCIST, Dear Leader has done....or worse, will do, if re-elected.

38 posted on 05/17/2012 3:15:54 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: massmike
I have "the" solution:

Someone has to interview a Mooselimb Chaplain (video taped) and get their reaction or opinion on record and release it publicly.

I can guarantee this issue would go away overnight after all, it is a "fact" that the NEUTERED Military (especially the WUSS, REMF Joint Chiefs) will do anything to keep from "offending" Mooselimbs...even if that means that our brave Warriors suffer as a result, so this would a a no brainer for the 90 Day Wonders at the Pentagon...especially, when they got a call from the Oval Office and were told to stand down by the Islamic Jihadist Appeaser in Chief, himself.

39 posted on 05/17/2012 3:23:38 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: massmike

First Amendment? What First Amendment?


40 posted on 05/17/2012 11:15:50 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: massmike

People just don’t want to pay public welfare benefits for two lunatics sodding off all day.

Muslims would just kill homosexuals.

Taking into consideration broken clocks tell the correct time twice each day, maybe “spread the other cheek” is not a good public policy.

In your unabridged Oxford Dictionaries, the word “faggotry” denotes the bundling of steel to be hammered or rolled together.

Mammalian evolution is entirely heterosexual.

 Monogamy is not required for evolution, monogamy is a tenet of religion.

To prohibit polyandry and polygyny is an ecclesiastic rule of law.

To establish an ecclesiastic standard of monogamy for homosexuals is nothing but RELIGIOUS FAGGOTRY.

Democrats live in a fantasy world where fairies wave magic wands over their anus and babies materialize out of thin air.

All men are born of a woman.

If you have to tell grown men that babies will not come out of their rectums, there is no hope for any rational discourse...


41 posted on 05/18/2012 4:44:16 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: GlockThe Vote

AGREE!!!! 100 percent. This idiot has to be voted out in November.


42 posted on 05/18/2012 4:54:25 AM PDT by Mr. Wright
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Click the link.
The Republic you save may be your own.


43 posted on 05/18/2012 5:19:55 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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