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Mitt Romney holds fundraiser with manufacturer of the Morning After Pill ^ | May 18, 2012 | Ben Johnson

Posted on 05/19/2012 7:15:24 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: BlackElk

I think I will send a benjie to Romney just for kicks. He probably does not need it, but what the hell, might change 1/2 a mind or more.

401 posted on 05/20/2012 10:54:47 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

That just about everyone here opposes Obozo should go without saying. Everyone SHOULD oppose Obozo. What is at issue here is supporting or opposing Romney. Everyone SHOULD also oppose Romney. Some need convincing. It is not that complex a question.

402 posted on 05/20/2012 11:24:39 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey)
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To: BlackElk
Gathering as I do that your other name is not Benedict XVI, I am skeptical as to how you may have acquired the credentials to speak for God.

1 Peter 4:11  (NIV)
If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen. 
Matthew 10:16-20
16 “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17 Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. 18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

2 Corinthians 13:1-3

This will be my third visit to you. “Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.”
I already gave you a warning when I was with you the second time. I now repeat it while absent: On my return I will not spare those who sinned earlier or any of the others, since you are demanding proof that
Christ is speaking through me.


403 posted on 05/21/2012 2:45:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: BlackElk
... Free Republic, being a principled conservative website will be anti-Romney Central. Otherwise, it will continue to be anti-Obama Central.


All of those who can multitask; please raise your hand:

404 posted on 05/21/2012 2:52:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: going hot
We hope you are just teasing the dog; but watch out; for he BITES!

Don't mess around and change the 6th letter in your screen name to a "Z"!

405 posted on 05/21/2012 2:55:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
My original: Use the Bible, in context, to refute one thing I have said

Your response: 1 John 5:16-17 (RSV): "If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is a sin which is not mortal."

You have demonstrated that many either cherry-pick a verse out of context (and the preceding/following passages add a little more to your selection) or misunderstand because they do not grasp the situation or the audience of the epistle. Knowing who was being talked to and why, adds a clarity to the passages and the message. For instance, if you add a few following passages: 18 We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them. 19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. 20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

21 Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.

It becomes clear that John understands that a saved person's sinful acts are no longer seen as sin by God and do not require the death penalty. The only mortal sin is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. If you're not saved and you do this, you cannot be saved. If you are saved, the question is whether or not you could even do such a thing. I doubt it, but if it were to occur, it would be the one case where I believe a person could be "unsaved". Since I'm not a scriptual/theological scholar, I had to do a short search to help explain the target/reason for the letter by John: This letter was directed against Gnostic teachings, which were rampant at the time of the early Christian church. Gnosticism denied that Jesus was incarnate and as a direct consequence, promoted immorality. This reference to the 'sin that does not lead to death' may be directed to those persons who were unrepentant of their immoral conduct, unaware that it would lead to spiritual death.

Paul was at pains to inform early Christians that our salvation was no excuse to continue in sin. Seems like John was also having to do battle against a culture that promoted sexual immorality and loose living.

IOW, there were folks living under the Grace of salvation, but who still continued to live as sinfully as they had lived. John knew they were saved, but also knew that they were damaging themselves by their activities. Similar to when Paul told folks that their bodies were their temples - the preceding passages to that deal with sexual immorality/impurity which was an on-going thing in the day. Remember, the Romans were noted for their orgies.

If you believ that you have, in fact, disproved something I said, so be it. I would encourage you to become more familiar with the complexities of early Christianity and making the Word understood. It is also useful to understand the dichotomy of the New Covenant - the Bible starts it before Jesus is born and while He walks the earth. Many take His words as pure New Covenant because they forget that the Law of the Old Covenant was still in effect while He lived and He was bound to follow it (which He and only He ever did) to remain sinless. Just picking a verse or two, without the preceding/following verses is like taking a few sentences from the middle of a recipe and telling someone they can make a cake with it. Knowing the conditions and the audience also sheds light - plus, many Bibles give a preface to a chapter which tells you who is saying what to whom and for what purpose...

God Bless

406 posted on 05/21/2012 4:03:48 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Colofornian
With Rev. Jeremiah Wright in the news again this past week, there were threads galore on Wright & Obama's religious ties. I'm sure you went on several of those threads & pointed out to the posters, "Religion is a distraction" -- right? (Somehow, I get the feeling, "no, 'twasn't 'right'") Seems that "Religion is only a distraction" for the sudden Mormon apologists on FR...I can't seem to find ANY FREEPERs who will EVER come on to any Rev. Wright -- or any "Obama-is-a-closet-Muslim" FR thread -- and make the same claim. I'm befuddled that if people have this "religion is a distraction" as a core claim...a core religio-political worldview...why it's so narrowly applied. [Well, actually, I'm not so befuddled...seeing it done/not done all the time on FR] Hence a cult (& cultist) quite commonly goes up for "protection" & "elevation" by FREEPERs. But Islam? But Rev. Jeremiah Wright? Never on FR!

I will rephrase: Obama claims to be a Christian and Romney is a Mormon. One seems to be pure evil and the other a run-of-the-mill sinner. Religion aside, I will make the distinction between pure evil and sinfulness. In this particular case, religion of the contestants is in fact a distraction.

407 posted on 05/21/2012 5:16:51 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: BlackElk
Oh my, another quite non-Catholic "expert" on Roman Catholicism with no authority whatsoever. See #393. I am not finding you worthy of individual response at length. Again, unless your other name is Benedict XVI, no Catholic need be "distracted" by the likes of you. And, NO, I am not going to get involved in some useless "Scriptural" vs. "non-Scriptural" debates or how many reformers can dance on the head of a pin. Convince B-XVI and you convince me. No lesser standard and you aren't up to meeting that one. You ARE, after all, arguing that it is somehow moral to vote for Romney, though he would murder babies, destroy the institution of marriage in our society, cheerlead rump-ranging posing as "marriage," persecute the Catholic Church and probably yours too, in his worship of socialized medicine, undoubtedly cut off medical care to the elderly because death panels say its a good idea, etc. Your heathen imbecile is no better than Obozo. We Catholics call voting for either of them material cooperation with mortal sin. In case you have not guessed, that makes voting for either NOT morally permissible. Now, go distract yourself.

He's not my heathen imbecile - he's the only option that isn't Obama. I make a distinction between pure evil and sinfulness. Don't have to be a Catholic expert to be a Christian and to have some sense of what's going on in the world or how it will all end. Being a Catholic doesn't make one infallible or the final word - even Popes get distracted with worldly things and go off on tangents about taking care of mother earth. Why would that happen? If you believe the Bible, we cannot destroy the earth because God has already spoken about how it will end.

While you're at it, what is mortal sin? I'd like to hear your slant on it.

408 posted on 05/21/2012 5:22:32 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Strategerist

“80% of fertilized eggs/embryos fail to implant naturally (without the mother ever knowing) What exactly is the point of God killing so many “persons” that way?”

People also die naturally every day. Does that mean we can start killing people?

409 posted on 05/21/2012 5:48:25 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: Elsie
So people who would donate to the republican candidate for president rather than to FR will get the big Z.

Got it, thanks.

Influencing people through fear and intimidation, yeah, this site is a bit changed over the past 14 years. I cannot think of a more effective way to get people to open their wallets for FR. You?

410 posted on 05/21/2012 8:07:25 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: going hot
I cannot think of a more effective way to get people to open their wallets for FR.

You think it's about MONEY???

411 posted on 05/21/2012 9:23:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
Well, what I was originally responding to was, "Anyone vaguely tempted to donate to Romney or his ilk (which would include his soulmate Obozo), be sensible and donate to Free Republic instead."

So, yeah, what I was referring to was...---->money<----.

But you can read into that any way your heart desires. See ya, got to get to work.

412 posted on 05/21/2012 9:33:33 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: norwaypinesavage
"Such as????"?
413 posted on 05/21/2012 10:25:27 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
"Any of the blue dog democrats. Any democrat that has a pro-life record. Any democrat that has a pro-marriage record. Any democrat that voted against Obamacare."

None has even the slightest chance of getting nominated. You might as well hope for Jack Kennedy.

414 posted on 05/21/2012 1:15:06 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: EternalVigilance

DUMP ROMNEY and replace him with a stellar Dark Horse.

IF Romney is probably going to lose to Obama, THEN it is incumbent upon the RNC to intervene and declare an OPEN Convention, regardless of the Primary delegates that Romney has.

Continued accumulation of Primary delegates in the remaining State Primaries is the key to improving Paul’s chances of forcing the GOP-E to hold an OPEN Convention in Tampa.

Paul will then have completed his main task in this Primary: giving the delegates the freedom to DUMP ROMNEY!

My goal is to defeat the insanity of Keyensian Economics in “both” of our very sorry political parties THIS YEAR!

This can be accomplished by the Delegates choosing a stellar Dark Horse Nominee, such as R-Rep. Allen West of Florida, to slaughter Obama in a November Landslide.

It is not enough to beat Obama, he must be smashed in a huge landslide to repudiate his Marxist ideas for America!

Romney is not Warrior enough to do so.

The key is to FORCE the GOP-E to allow for an OPEN Convention in Tampa. Without an OPEN Convention the SOS of INSANE Federal Over-Spending will keep America on the same crowded track with Greece, and Kalifornia.

There are over 15, 000, 000, 000, 000 reasons why spending more money this year than was taken in during the previous year is an INSANE path to financial destruction.

Neither Obama or Romney have presented a plan to spend our Federal dollars in a non-insane manner.

For example, the GOP Elite have stood in line to endorse Romney, to endorse “The Ryan Budget,” and to compromise-away every opportunity to reduce Federal Spending.

I included the Ryan Budget, because Rep. Paul Ryan himself says that his “Budget” will balance in 30 YEARS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, I added those exclamation points, because both you and I know that Ryan’s budget will NEVER balance, and thus will never be a fact. The exclamation points are just for volume emphasis.


The main point of my post is as follows: In order to DUMP ROMNEY there must be an OPEN, or “Bartered” Convention.

Ron Paul, Santorum and Newt are our best hopes to achieve an OPEN Convention because they have the most Delegates to force the Romney Delegates to approve of an OPEN Convention.

Since RP is the only active Candidate left standing, he has the best chance of forcing the RNC to have an OPEN Convention in Tampa.

With an OPEN Convention, NONE of the Primary Candidates stand a chance of becoming the Nominee, except Romney.

That possibility must be countered by a stellar Dark Horse, that is someone that has not run in this years Primary Campaign.

Otherwise Romney will follow the same stupid path as McCain and lose to Obama “much to the surprise of the GOP-E.”

Ron Paul, Santorum and Newt were rejected by Primary voters, and would be re-soundly rejected by the voters in the National Election. Thus, their main value is to force an OPEN Convention.

The Convention Delegates then would have a chance to choose a Nominee who could easily defeat Obama.

I had earlier supported R-Sc Sen. Jim DeMint, but he will not leave the Senate. Now I support R-Fla. Rep. Allen West. Rep. Allen West is a retired US Army Colonel, straight-talking Conservative, AND is the only non-welcome member of the Congressional Black Caucus, (the Libs hate him).

There are many other Republican non-RINO Dark Horses who would make excellent Dark Horse Nominees.

The DUMP ROMNEY Campaign requires an OPEN or “Bartered” Convention in Tampa.

Make your voice and vote count towards an OPEN Convention in Tampa, Florida!

BTW, Nominee Allen West WOULD be Florida’s favorite son in November - - - .

415 posted on 05/21/2012 1:30:44 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Graewoulf
My party already has a nominee, so all of that is entirely up to you all. Good luck.
416 posted on 05/21/2012 1:59:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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