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Breakthrough on eligibility story
WND ^ | May 17, 2012 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 05/19/2012 9:29:10 AM PDT by James Thomas

Congratulations to Breitbart.com for reporting a story the site clearly didn’t care to publish. It seems that in 1991, Barack Obama was indeed representing himself to his literary agency as “born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”

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I could not agree more with Mr. Farah. All through this controversy about Obama's birth certificate, almost the entire media on the Right have ignored or mocked the story. They have been successfully bullied by the dominant Left in the media to do so. WND, Drudge, Diana West, and some of the writers on American Thinker have been rare exceptions.
1 posted on 05/19/2012 9:29:21 AM PDT by James Thomas
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To: James Thomas

“They have been successfully bullied by the dominant Left in the media to do so”

Nope. They have been bullied by common sense and a lack of desperation to remove a president they hate from office on any pretext whatsoever.

You birthers really, really have to stop pretending everything’s a smoking gun. See the boy who cried wolf.


2 posted on 05/19/2012 9:33:53 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

As it came to pass, the boy who cried “Wolf” was right.


3 posted on 05/19/2012 9:37:24 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: James Thomas
The question is: Was he lying then or now?

4 posted on 05/19/2012 9:38:56 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: James Thomas

“Is he lying now or was he lying then?” could be abridged into a bumper sticker/ meme...”Lying nOw Or then” with the O being made with the Obama logo.

Regardless....am promoting that phrase to be used again and again by the friendly media.


5 posted on 05/19/2012 9:40:01 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: Tublecane
You birthers really, really have to stop pretending everything’s a smoking gun.
After-birthers - Always trying to make a bloody mess of things.

6 posted on 05/19/2012 9:41:13 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Tublecane; James Thomas

We have ourselves a crisis-in-avoidance.

I think the powers that be would rather just try to hold an election than to risk the damage this confrontation might do to the process.

The problem is that another election will win another 4 years for the ineligible potentate.


7 posted on 05/19/2012 9:42:51 AM PDT by .30Carbine (God bless you with the spirit of wisdom and understanding)
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To: James Thomas

“It depends on what your meaning of ‘born’ is.” - The Bill Clinton defense strategy.


8 posted on 05/19/2012 9:44:56 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Tublecane
So tell me, Placenta Man, in your opinion...Was he lying then or now?

Or is this just another "Blame Someone Else/It's Not My Fault" moment?

9 posted on 05/19/2012 9:47:23 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: James Thomas

Two possibilities:

1. He was born in Kenya because that’s where he said he was born.

2. He was born in Hawaii and spends millions of dollars to avoid having to prove it.

Now which one would Occam choose? How about the MSM, Rush, Steyn ...?


10 posted on 05/19/2012 9:48:07 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: James Thomas

I heard the reps from Brietbart on the radio yesterday. They were maintaining that they aren’t focused on the eligibility issue, but rather Obama’s tendency to embellish.


11 posted on 05/19/2012 9:49:54 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: DuncanWaring
As it came to pass, the boy who cried “Wolf” was right.

"Like, ping, bump." Indeed. But the moral of the story is about "liars" and "false alarms" of which so far it is the birthers who have done neither.

12 posted on 05/19/2012 9:58:47 AM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: USNBandit
Obama’s tendency to embellish.

Embelish!! That's like saying that Hitler was really just a frustrated art student.

13 posted on 05/19/2012 9:59:36 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: USNBandit

I hope they have good life insurance policies. Sheriff Joe too.


14 posted on 05/19/2012 10:00:28 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: James Thomas

I am pleased to see Freepers paying attention to Joseph Farah. He has outlasted his “UFO WorldNutDaily” critics in this forum.


15 posted on 05/19/2012 10:01:38 AM PDT by golux
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To: Tublecane
The boy who cried wolf...

He lied and made false alarms...are the birthers being untruthful or are they asking for the truth?

The one lying is the one not willing to come forward it seems with truthful documents. Instead we've seen several fraudulent documents produced and numerous references that suggest his claims are false.

Is there a wolf or not?

16 posted on 05/19/2012 10:02:57 AM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: James Thomas

Ho hum. Maybe it is time someone does an expose on just who owns the media.


17 posted on 05/19/2012 10:05:22 AM PDT by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: DuncanWaring

“As it came to pass, the boy who cried ‘Wolf’ was right.”

Yeah, that’s the moral. If by some miracle evidence of Obama not being eligible surfaces, you don’t want no one listening to you. Also, were something to pop up not related to birtherism—I don’t know, say he helped Bill Ayers blow up an orphanage—you wouldn’t want everyone to dismiss it as, “Just another crazy right wing conspiracy theory, like that birther nonsense.”


18 posted on 05/19/2012 10:06:12 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Don Corleone

A bigger question is what kind of jack@ss writes an autobiography when he hasn’t done anything.


19 posted on 05/19/2012 10:07:32 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Tublecane
So tell me, Placenta Man, in your opinion...Was he lying then or now?

Or is this just another "Blame Someone Else/It's Not My Fault" moment?

20 posted on 05/19/2012 10:08:28 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Tublecane

You might want to try that again without the triple-negatives.


21 posted on 05/19/2012 10:13:10 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: philman_36

Rush said he lied to himself. LOL......Our own guys are nutcases.


22 posted on 05/19/2012 10:15:56 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: philman_36

“So tell me, Placenta Man, in your opinion...Was he lying then or now?
Or is this just another ‘Blame Someone Else/It’s Not My Fault’ moment”

I don’t know, but you’ll notice the issue is now over whether he lied or someone lied for him, rather than solely over how it proves he’s not a natural born citizen. That’s why this thread’s headline, and birtherism in general, are misguided in pretending everything’s a “breakthrough.” If nothing else, you oversell yourself.

It’s one thing to take a preponderance of evidence—Kenya claims him as a native son, members of his family may or may not have said or implied he’s born in Kenya, he and Michelle do things you think are un-American, the purported birth certificate looks fake, Hawaiian officials appear to be covering for him, Bill Richardson called him an immigrant or something—as suggesting he’s ineligible. It’s another thing to trumpet each and every new story as THE breakthrough that finally PROVES Obama can’t be president. It got old long ago.

By the way, I get how the MSM missed this story, but where have the birthers been on the publisher’s bio? You can comb through moldy books on 18th century maritime law and the personal correspondence of the author of the 14th amendment but don’t bother reading the flaps of his memoir?


23 posted on 05/19/2012 10:16:18 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: hoosiermama
He was born in Kenya before he was born in Hawaii, for that matter maybe born in neither, Made-up composite character.

Easy opportunity for blackmail, serving the agenda of the gatekeepers of the truth.

24 posted on 05/19/2012 10:18:47 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Tublecane

Last laughs are always best


25 posted on 05/19/2012 10:19:31 AM PDT by tomkat (:^)
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To: DuncanWaring

“You might want to try that again without the triple-negatives.”

I only see a double-negative, in “you don’t want no one listening to you.” And what’s wrong with that? If your school marm told you never to use double-negatives, she was lied. They’re perfectly acceptable, so long as the resulting logic is what I intended to say. You don’t want to lose everyone’s trust.


26 posted on 05/19/2012 10:20:24 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: DuncanWaring

“she was lied”

Woops, I got stuck between “she was lying” and “she lied.” But at least now you have a legitimate mistake to attack.


27 posted on 05/19/2012 10:21:40 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: EBH

“But the moral of the story is about ‘liars’ and ‘false alarms’ of which so far it is the birthers who have done neither.”

LOL.


28 posted on 05/19/2012 10:25:37 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
So tell me, Placenta Man, in your opinion...Was he lying then or now?
Or is this just another ‘Blame Someone Else/It’s Not My Fault’ moment?

I don’t know...

Now that is a startling admission. Do you know anything?

...you’ll notice the issue is now over whether he lied or someone lied for him...
Oh, so in actuality you're going with the ‘Blame Someone Else/It’s Not My Fault’ moment.

... rather than solely over how it proves he’s not a natural born citizen.

Farah pegged you perfectly!....Talk about burying the lead!

29 posted on 05/19/2012 10:27:56 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: EBH

“He lied and made false alarms...are the birthers being untruthful or are they asking for the truth?”

The boy, lied, yes, but I’m not saying birthers are lying. You can make false alarms without realizing you’re doing so. The point is that birthers’ false alarms make the public less likely to trust both themselves and the anti-Obama movement in general in future.

That this is a false alarm may be demonstrated by the infinitely more likely explanation proffered by most conservative pundits: i.e. that Obama and/or the publisher lied to make him more interesting for being not another boring white guy.


30 posted on 05/19/2012 10:29:27 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

I think BOTH are pretty much the case. He lied about being born in HI, and he gave Ayers belated high-fives for his terroristic demolition work....and spoke aloud that he wished he could have been there. I gather from the gist of your arguement that we should ignore the BC issue in case we might be wrong.....but by golly, if we get a whiff of some SECOND transgression of his,
T-H-E-N we’ll REALLY hang his boney little butt! That seems like a chicken drawing a series of proverbial lines in the sand, and whimping out each time the line is brazenly crossed....but that’s just silly old me.


31 posted on 05/19/2012 10:30:37 AM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: Tublecane
You can comb through moldy books on 18th century maritime law and the personal correspondence of the author of the 14th amendment but don’t bother reading the flaps of his memoir?

Ah, but that's just it! It wasn't on the flaps of his memoir, was it.

It was from...@a promotional booklet produced in 1991 by Barack Obama's then-literary agency, Acton & Dystel...

Nice try, but that dog don't hunt. It's been eaten, tail and all.

32 posted on 05/19/2012 10:33:53 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Tublecane

you must mean publisher(s) since they also use the same promo for “dreams from my supposed father”.
And then of course there are the associated press articles from 2004 beaming about the “Kenyan-born” Obama being elected to the Senate. The Houston Chronicle trumpeted the same exact thing.

We have a pattern of behavior seriously undermining any credibility this man ever had with the “squishy” moderate voters.


33 posted on 05/19/2012 10:39:07 AM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: Tublecane
You can make false alarms without realizing you’re doing so.
Like you're doing on this thread?

That this is a false alarm may be demonstrated by the infinitely more likely explanation proffered by most conservative pundits: i.e. that Obama and/or the publisher lied to make him more interesting for being not another boring white guy.

I think you realize exactly what you're doing.

Once again...Talk about burying the lead!

34 posted on 05/19/2012 10:40:05 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

“Now that is a startling admission. Do you know anything?”

Do you know everything? Two can play at that game.

“Oh, so in actuality you’re going with the ‘Blame Someone Else/It’s Not My Fault’ moment”

No, that makes no sense. All I did was rephrase the choice you gave me, adding how notable it is that there’s a choice, instead of it being “breakthrough” evidence that Obama’s ineligible. I might add, as well, that the choice is larger than you indicated, in that there’s confusion over why he might be lying now, or the publisher was lying then. Is it to cover up ineligibility, or to cover up how he/they tried to make him seem more interesting to sell books? Or was it something else, entirely?

“Farah pegged you perfectly!....Talk about burying the lead!”

Uh, no, nothing was buried. You didn’t dig up any telling clue. My original post was all about how birthers lack common sense, are desperate, and pretend they have breakthrough evidence when they don’t. From the beginning I made it pretty clear—and I’m not sure how I could make it more clear without explicitly saying “This doesn’t prove Obama’s not a natural born citizen”—I don’t think this proves Obama’s not a natural born citizen.

Birthers want to pretend it’s yet more proof, or only highly suggestive evidence, but that claim is severly undercut by how fast you turn it into a competition amongst various overlapping dichotomies: “Was it the publisher’s mistake, or was it a lie?/Was it his or the publishers lie/Was he lying then, or is he lying now?”


35 posted on 05/19/2012 10:45:11 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tucker39

“I gather from the gist of your arguement that we should ignore the BC issue in case we might be wrong”

No, I think you are wrong. It’s also not that it should be ignored, but that it’s been given quite enough attention, beyond propriety. Even if birtherism were right, there’s a more appropriate way to go about it than pretending every little bit of evidence that at best raises more questions than it answers is a slam dunk.


36 posted on 05/19/2012 10:49:01 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
Do you know everything?
I never claimed I knew everything, did I? I do, however, know enough to, unlike you, take a firm position.

Two can play at that game.
My advice, stop playing checkers when everybody else is playing chess.

My original post was all about how birthers lack common sense, are desperate, and pretend they have breakthrough evidence when they don’t.

Placenta Man strikes again, trying to make a bloody mess of things.

37 posted on 05/19/2012 10:51:51 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: James Thomas

“It seems that in 1991, Barack Obama was indeed representing himself to his literary agency as “born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”


Making it reasonable to assume that Barry applied to Occidental, Columbia and Harvard as a foreign student and as a result gained entry and student aid.


38 posted on 05/19/2012 10:53:17 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: philman_36

“Ah, but that’s just it! It wasn’t on the flaps of his memoir, was it.”

Oh, boy. That was a joke, in case you didn’t notice by my reference to “moldy books” and such. The point was this is presumably more readily available than the centuries-plus old material birthers link to on a daily basis.

“Nice try, but that dog don’t hunt. It’s been eaten, tail and all.”

The way you say that, it seems you think my asking why birthers missed this was intended somehow to malign it as evidence. But that was a legitimate question, without ulterior motive. I swear. Seriously, given how obsessively and tirelessly birthers hunt their quarry, how did this take so long to emerge?


39 posted on 05/19/2012 10:53:38 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
Even if birtherism were right, there’s a more appropriate way to go about it than pretending every little bit of evidence that at best raises more questions than it answers is a slam dunk.
What then, in your opinion, is the "more appropriate way to go about it"?

And who claimed that this was a slam dunk?
A full glass eventually spills over the rim, doesn't it?

40 posted on 05/19/2012 10:55:16 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: opentalk
Why do you think he endorsed gay marriage? The folks in the bathhouses of Chicago either have pictures or a blue dress type of evidence OR both. They are black-male-ing him.
41 posted on 05/19/2012 10:56:13 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: philman_36

“I do, however, know enough to, unlike you, take a firm position.”

So? That goes nowhere toward establishing I don’t know anything. Which is why I said “Two can play at that game”: to point out that I, unlike you, apparently realize asking things like “Do you know anything?” is childish.

“My advice, stop playing checkers when everybody else is playing chess.”

Like I said, your “Do you know anything?” game is childish. If I’m generally playing checkers, that is tiddlywinks.


42 posted on 05/19/2012 10:58:05 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
Seriously, given how obsessively and tirelessly birthers hunt their quarry, how did this take so long to emerge?
OMG! You mean there hasn't been an ongoing effort to hide anything and everything associated with this man for years now?
Who knew! Obviously not you! /sarcasm
43 posted on 05/19/2012 10:58:27 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Ah, yes, “Placenta Man.” A retort worthy of Kasparov or Fischer.


44 posted on 05/19/2012 10:59:27 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: philman_36

“I do, however, know enough to, unlike you, take a firm position.”

This would be useful, nay, necessary on my part were I interested in entering that debate. But the reason I posted was to bring up how the debate is not what birthers seem to think it is, and that their wild overstatements only hurt their credibility. Therefore, me stradling the fence on “book flap gate” is neither here nor there.


45 posted on 05/19/2012 11:01:55 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: philman_36

“Like you’re doing on this thread?”

You mean I’m making flase alarms about false alarms. Clever, sir. But in future might I suggest you take a short cut through “I know you are but what am I?”

“Once again...Talk about burying the lead!”

That doesn’t follow. My opposition to birtherism was upfront. That’s why you’ve all piled on me, as expected. There’s been no lead-burying. I’m not sure you know what the phrase means.


46 posted on 05/19/2012 11:04:55 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
That goes nowhere toward establishing I don’t know anything.
But you won't even say definitively what you believe, much less know.
You've merely given diatribes into the motives and motivations of others.

It's easy for me...he's a pathological liar on any number of things...for his own political and financial expediency.

47 posted on 05/19/2012 11:05:37 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

“’You can make false alarms without realizing you’re doing so.’
‘Like you’re doing on this thread?’

‘I think you realize exactly what you’re doing.’”

By the way, there’s a pretty clear contradiction above. At least you’ve fulfilled your birther pledge by uping the ante and outright calling people with whom you disagree liars, rather than pussy-footing around like me.


48 posted on 05/19/2012 11:06:42 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
I do, however, know enough to, unlike you, take a firm position.

This would be useful, nay, necessary on my part were I interested in entering that debate.
Well thank you for that. You're all but admitting that you're little more than a disrupting troll on this issue.

49 posted on 05/19/2012 11:08:25 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

“But you won’t even say definitively what you believe, much less know”

Yeah, that’s because, like I said, I’m not interested in debating what I believe or know about the significance of Obama’s bio lies, except to say they aren’t a smoking gun. it is a limited point I started out to make. Others do not have to enter the arguments you want to have just because you say so.


50 posted on 05/19/2012 11:08:41 AM PDT by Tublecane
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