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Hawaii to Ariz.: Prove need to verify Obama birth
My Fox Phoenix.Com ^ | 5/19/2012 | Joshua Wisch

Posted on 05/19/2012 9:35:37 AM PDT by Elderberry

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To: EBH

OK Texas, are you going to follow suit?


101 posted on 05/19/2012 12:35:51 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

First thing, note that Wisch - just like Deputy AG Jill Nagamine had done before - upon the birth index shown to the public in the HDOH office. But I have proven on my blog that the 1960-64 birth index includes legally non-valid records. See the 2nd NEW headline at http://www.butterdezillion.wordpress.com I’d post the link but my computer is freezing up when I go to my blog. sigh. This happens a lot.)

Wisch is an undeniable liar, according to this statement: “Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said.”

HRS 338-13 (found at http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0013.htm ) says:

§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]


102 posted on 05/19/2012 12:43:43 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I don’t understand why this has not been covered up in depth in the records and databases. It is not difficult to create dated paper, forge the signatures, create paper files, change data, etc., to get this done. With the full capabilities of the rat gubmint, they cannot get this done? Perhaps there are too many people who know the truth and who will not be coerced into the scheme. The same applies for records at Hahvahd, and the other purported locations this scumbag has frequented.


103 posted on 05/19/2012 12:44:51 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Mr Rogers

“Within seventy-two hours after the close of filing the secretary of state shall certify to the officer in charge of elections the names of the candidates who are qualified for the presidential preference election ballot.”

This is going to be a pissing contest between AZ and HI. The AZ SoS already certified Obama as “qualified” for the primary election.


104 posted on 05/19/2012 12:45:25 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: butterdezillion

Thanks much for the excellent additional information. Why am I not surprised that the HI officials are bald faced liars?


105 posted on 05/19/2012 12:46:08 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Elderberry

The next move by the SOS of az should be to tell the Obama campaign to provide unfettered access to the records on file in Hawaii, or the probable cause of fraud will prevent his balllot access.


106 posted on 05/19/2012 12:49:31 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: SgtHooper

None of that matters. This is a legal game now. Obama and his thugs know what they’re doing. You can bet they were prepared for this eventuality. They’ll stand on “principle” and refused to provide anything that isn’t legally required.


107 posted on 05/19/2012 12:51:24 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Elderberry
This is turning into a game. It's unnerving to see these officials waging a pissing match over the common sense need to prove the most powerful office in American politics is held by someone Constitutionally eligible to hold it. Cough up the goods, Hawaii!
108 posted on 05/19/2012 12:51:28 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: Elderberry

Arizonia should say that an obviusly forged BC has been presented to the people that lists Obama as having a foreign father.

to wit.....

We believe that since the Democrat Party certified Obama as meeting Constitutional Article II eligibility requirements vis NBC we would like to clear up this discrepancy between his pro-offered BC and the political certification and verify that Obama’s parents were both US citizens, and that he was born in the US. Futhermore we’d like to disprove the claim in his published bio that he was born in Kenya to a Kenyan citizen which has cast doubt among the electorate as to his eligibility to hold the office he has filed to run for.

Without this documentation Barack Obama cannot be certified as meeting Article II eligibility requirements and therefore cannot be listed on the Arizona Ballot, nor can any write in votes for him be counted.


109 posted on 05/19/2012 1:02:54 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: butterdezillion

Butter, is this scenario plausible to you?

Obama was born in Kenya or Canada.

His foreign birth was NEVER registered in Hawaii. If it were he would have his own birth certificate number and not need Virginia’s.

In 2005-2007 Obama steals Virginia Sunahara’s birth certificate number and uses it on his public fake COLBS. Hawaii says nothing.

Since the birth index has been changed and only Hawaii is capable of doing that they now involved directly in the theft of Virginia’s number.


110 posted on 05/19/2012 1:04:15 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Exmil_UK

Onaka’s office is now stamping physical documents with a stamp having the TXE rather than THE, to try to support the online forgery. So it has actually crossed the line into using physical means from their office to support the forgeries.

In addition, the HDOH has put out two COLB’s which have BC#’s way out of sequence, according to their own claim that BC#’s were assigned on the “date filed” for Oahu births - Stig Waidelich’s and Virginia Sunahara’s. For those BC#’s to be genuine the HDOH would have to issue numbers totally randomly. For a while they were trying to make it look like they were alphabetized for a month, but the BC#’s they used don’t work with that theory and they don’t work with the birth announced in the newspapers OR the number of August 1961 births according to the CDC’s 1961 Natality Report either. No matter how they twist it, they can’t get those numbers to fit.

IOW, in terms of actual legal documents/records that are traceable to Onaka’s office, we’ve got the TXE stamp they’re using now, manipulation of at least 2 COLBs’ BC#’s, alteration of the 1960-64 birth index to allow legally non-valid records, and alteration of their database to change Virginia Sunahara’s record to a different name (see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2885601/posts?page=72#72 ).

I hope Onaka holds firm, but it seems that control is slipping. At this point maybe Onaka could be convinced to be the one to bail out first and get an immunity deal.


111 posted on 05/19/2012 1:06:22 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Gilbo_3; Elderberry
RE :”it would seem that if bambam wants to be on the ballot, its up to him to authorize the documents, NOT Az...

That fight has already been surrendered.

AZ passed such a law and Brewer vetoed it. No other states had the guts to go that far.

Just this endless talking with no action just rallies blacks and Hispanics to Obama without any benefit of hurting Obama. It makes the whole thing look like a made up joke.

I still remember when all the birthers said that a single judge would remove Obama from office, then they followed Trump. Then they couldn't get this simple obvious task done.

112 posted on 05/19/2012 1:20:55 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: GBA
I agree. We are getting very close. From a post last night:
>>Pride goeth before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall and obama has set himself up for something spectacular.

Not only that, but a lot of other people as well; the entire 111th Congress, which certified him, could be charged with misrepresention of the various felonies. The several states's Secretary of States could be charged with misfeasance/malfeasance, the civil equivalent of dereliction of duty, in addition to all the judges who denied standing.

IOW, if the shit hits the fan, then we have a LOT of house-cleaning to do... and a LOT of it will be inescapable by the corrupt.

I just hope he doesn't do something stupid and gets a lot of people killed on his way down.
We the people put him in a position of great power...is the destruction Proverbs 16:18 speaks of his alone, or ours along with his?

That, I think, could go either way. Just remember what God says about "those who are called by my name" ans stand for justice (Micha 5:8).

I think we’re all uneasy because we know something very big is imminent but can’t really do much about it.
If you have time, check out the book suggestion in my tagline. I think you'll be as amazed by what it explains as I am.

I might check that book out.

113 posted on 05/19/2012 1:20:55 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 353FMG

Texas? What are you talking about?


114 posted on 05/19/2012 1:21:22 PM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: sdcraigo

Yes, you’re right. It was Feinstein. I don’t know why I get those 2 mixed up. Thanks for the correction.

I don’t read his work regularly but somebody pointed out his posts regarding this matter. It broke my heart to read the article about “I Hung My Head”. Nobody is beyond redemption. I don’t doubt this guy has done awful things, just like Bill and Hillary have done awful things. But there is forgiveness available to all who will repent - which just involves recognizing how wrong something was. And it sounds to me like this guy is having to see the oak that came from the acorns he sowed.

I wish there was a way to get together the people who know what needs to happen and find a way to let the past be gone for at least as long as it takes to do the right thing now. To me, that’s a big part of what’s going on with the Hillary folks working with the Cold Case Posse. I don’t agree with either Bill or Hillary’s politics, but I don’t think they truly want to destroy this country.

I don’t know. Right now things are really emotional for me. I’ve sort of been emotional anyway because my oldest daughter just graduated from high school. But I found out within the last hour that my daughter’s speech teacher just gave birth to a stillborn baby, and a mother in our congregation who on Thursday morning had passed out after dropping her daughter off at school and driven into a pond has died this morning. Another church member in his mid-40’s found out about a week ago that he has multiple stage-4 brain tumors. And the son of one of our members suddenly died of an aneurysm in Kansas this past week.

The stillbirth hits hard, because our first child was stillborn. Circumstances very similar to this one. It all comes back and you just have to weep for a while. I’ve done that, but I’m still dealing with the realization of how fragile life is. The past 3 years have taught me how fragile freedom, truth, and the rule of law are; I’ve felt like I’ve been grieving my country this whole time. And then there are these constant reminders that life itself is so fragile.

I’ve mentioned elsewhere that we need to be praying for the people who are trying to protect this country. We have powerful enemies in both the physical and spiritual realms who use any means possible to get us out of our stride. We are so frail in spite of all our blustery talk, and we need the Lord to strengthen us and make us wise. He alone can save America.


115 posted on 05/19/2012 1:23:12 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Elderberry
Some thoughts:

1. Boycott Hawaii: Arizona residents should boycott Hawaii until Hawaii gives Arizona information about Obama that it requests.

2. Go to court: The secretary should announce that Obama is off the ballot, because Hawaii will not provide certified confirmation/proof that Obama was born in Hawaii.

3. Then let's see if Obama's high-priced lawyers go to court to sue Arizona and try to get Obama back on the ballot.

4. If Obama's lawyers go to court, then Arizona's lawyers could spring a trap and counterattack by demanding that Hawaii provide a certified copy of Obama's long form birth certificate in order to prove that Obama has a legal right to be on the Nov. 2012 ballot.

5. Then all hell will break lose, because Hawaii officials will finally have to present certified/legal proof in court, under penalty of perjury, that Obama was born in Hawaii.

6. And if somehow Obama loses in court and Arizona decides to keep Obama's name off of the Nov. 2012 ballot, the terrible ripple effect will be tremendous, because other states will have no choice but to follow Arizona's example and decide whether or not Obama should be placed on their Nov. 2012 ballots. All hell will then break loose.

116 posted on 05/19/2012 1:24:21 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: Deo volente

“A lot of people are going to an awful lot of trouble and putting themselves in extreme legal jeopardy to get this Kenyan reelected.”

I maintain that O’Bozo is a usurping fraud right here and now. So I suspect they don’t care about his reelection as much as they care about covering up their complicity in allowing the fraud in the first place.

Some appear to be directly involved in the crimes as opposed others just not stopping them.

But yes, it’s amazing how many have put themselves in jeopardy here. Unnecessarily so.


117 posted on 05/19/2012 1:24:27 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Mr Rogers

Does it give him the authority to decide who to put on the ballot?


118 posted on 05/19/2012 1:24:40 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: BuckeyeTexan

That was before Sheriff Joe revealed he was going forward with a criminal investigation into Obama’s forged long-form and the fraud of having that presented as if genuine. That calls into question whether Obama perjured himself to get on the primary ballot. Which changes everything.


119 posted on 05/19/2012 1:31:29 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: CodeToad

They should ask his literary agent.


120 posted on 05/19/2012 1:37:29 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Obama already voted for a law in 2005 that establishes a formal protocol by which states verifying the birth records to other states. This is what Arizona is asking for and what Hawaii is refusing to provide. Their lack of cooperation is very telling.


121 posted on 05/19/2012 1:37:34 PM PDT by edge919
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To: butterdezillion

Plus the recently discovered claim by Obama himself to be born in Kenya. New information changes everything. Hawaii is refusing to comply with a federal protocol that Obama himself voted for. They don’t have a legal leg to stand on.


122 posted on 05/19/2012 1:42:11 PM PDT by edge919
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To: Political Junkie Too
"Congress could pass a law that says that candidates for President must provide proof of natural-born citizenship."

Twentieth Amendment, Section 3 already does this. In this instance, Congress simply ignored their duty to uphold the Constitution.

123 posted on 05/19/2012 1:43:50 PM PDT by Uncle Sham
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To: butterdezillion

If Obama didn’t formally submit the LFBC to election officials in AZ, it changes nothing. Obama’s legal team knows what they’re doing. I’ve seen them in action.


124 posted on 05/19/2012 1:48:00 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: butterdezillion
Onaka’s office is now stamping physical documents with a stamp having the TXE rather than THE, to try to support the online forgery. So it has actually crossed the line into using physical means from their office to support the forgeries.

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Happy face: Does the new stamp also have the happy face that we see on the Onaka stamp that is on Obama's long form birth certificate?

125 posted on 05/19/2012 1:52:31 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: butterdezillion

No idea how you can stay sane wading through all this...........


126 posted on 05/19/2012 1:59:12 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: libstripper

You’re most likely correct about the “do-it-yourself” COLB being the thing that is actually on file. Especially considering that, apparently, Gramma called in the birth to both Honolulu papers at the time. Hawaii specifically allows parents/grandparents to self-file because so many babies are born on boats, in the air, and on the countrysides of the islands.
At some point the COLB was probably modified by a parent, also permitted, To show a name change. I believe Obamuzzie could not have gone to school in Indonesia unless he was adopted by Sotero. And his birth document would have had to be updated later or he would never have gotten back into Hawaii or gotten a passport..When such a change is made the old info is lined out, not obliterated, initialed by the changer person, with the new info penciled in adjacent.
I believe that COLB reflects his Indonesian name, which would be his legal name unless he has some proof he changed back. Part of the AZ demand has to be that Obamuzzie verify his legal name. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that if if he’s holding office under an assumed name nothing he’s signed is any good legally, not binding on anybody, and is probly out-and-out fraud.

My own son was born in HI not long after whoever Obamuzzie is, was and so I am really familiar with what proper birth record docs are supposed to be. We have them all. There was a typo on my son’s original which we noticed as soon as we got the first copy so we did the procedure to get it corrected. There is no convenient way to request a copy of the original form , the one that would be signed by a doctor and hospital person.——no check box on the doc req form. To get such a thing one must request it specifically in writing and the copy will always be a photostat (negative)(another reason Obamuzzie’s is not legit). It’s possible to request the copy and have it sent directly to an interested person like a security agency but that can only be done by the person, the parent, or the court. If the Hawaiians do anything else they’re breaking their own law.
Interestingly, there is no way a HI govt person is going to make an un-authorized change to Obamuzzies original——on the off-chance that there is already a copy out there somewhere——that could be a career-ender. It has always sounded to me that Obamuzzie has no actual idea how to get a true copy of his original——he just gets the “certification of live birth” which is the re-typed short form. In any case no amount of “statement “ from the Hawaiians means anything-——just a copy of the original document is all that matters and all they can do as a matter of evidence.


127 posted on 05/19/2012 2:06:13 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Why am I not surprised that the HI officials are bald faced liars?

You ought to see local news about their antics. Essentially, it is a rigged game.

They hold such an overwhelming majority that there is no oversight or stopping them. An ex-governor declared the Republican party was irrelevant in Hawaii. They truly do not care what the other side thinks.

There was an attempt to pass a law forcing them to stop having secret sessions for creation of bills and such. Being the majority, it died quickly.

128 posted on 05/19/2012 2:10:31 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: OneWingedShark
Definitely read the book cover to cover.

I don't recommend books, but this one is a MUST read.

It explains where we are and why and what's coming next, I kid thee not.

I'm still a bit stunned. It showed me the confirmation I've been looking for.

129 posted on 05/19/2012 2:20:29 PM PDT by GBA (Read: The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn If you read this anything this year, read this book!)
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To: Smokeyblue

It’s clear that the HDOH is fully involved in the theft of Virginia’s BC#. Not only has the birth index been altered, but the database was altered so that Virginia’s record had a different name attached to it - so that when the database was queried for me, Virginia didn’t show up.

So the HDOH is fully engaged in this criminal identity theft. Somebody who can change the info in the database.

For your scenario they would have had to create a brand new record out of thin air and claimed it existed in 1961. That’s sort of what they do for adopted children, except that they still use the same BC# as a BC that DID actually exist. They can have two names show up under the same BC#, but only one of them is supposed to be legally valid at a time.

We have nothing that specifically dates any HI records for Obama back to 1961. Leo Donofrio had requested records in existence before Aug 11, 1961 that had caused the HDOH to claim on Obama’s posted COLB that the “date filed” was Aug 11, 1961. He originally got a response that no records existed. But he felt there was some wiggle room on that and when he pressed for an absolutely solid response they changed to say they denied him access. Which would normally mean they confirmed the existence of the documents. But they also used language that could be an attempt at giving a Glomarized response (not indicating whether or not the records existed). So we really don’t know for sure what they were saying. Unless they were giving a Glomar response, they confirmed that there were records for Obama which pre-dated Aug 11, 1961.

If that was a hospital-generated BC it would have been completed and there would be no need for the BC# mess. So it was clearly not a hospital-generated BC. If there was anything by Aug 11, 1961 it would have had to be something filed with the local registrar claiming a home birth.

Based on the tampering that was done on the birth announcements microfilms, I strongly doubt whether there was any birth announcement in the paper - which actually says nothing about whether the HDOH had anything for him, since Virginia Sunahara is known to have had a birth record at the HDOH and yet her birth announcement never appeared in the newspapers. Based on the numbers for the Aug 1961 Oahu births that are in the 1961 CDC Natality Report, there were a number of births that were not announced in the papers. So it is questionable whether those announcements actually came from the HDOH, IMHO.

Because of the BC# problem it seems clear that Obama didn’t have anything completed by the end of 1961. If the records that pre-dated Aug 11, 1961 were a registration of birth with the local registrar, it was left incomplete.

I’m sorry. I’m rambling. I suspect that Obama was born in Kenya and flew back via Canada. Madelyn Dunham tried to report the birth to the local registrar but didn’t realize they’d need to have a birthweight and the signature of a doctor who had examined mother and baby - which was not possible because mother and baby were in Seattle, never having returned to HI. She probably thought the BC was taken care of.

Obama requested his COLB sometime in 2006 when he was considering a run for the presidency and was told he didn’t have one, because it wasn’t complete. He got his commie doctor to sign an affidavit giving his birthweight, which was from the medical records which included the Kenyan BC that Obama had been using up to that time. That was the amendment he made in late 2006.

Then in 2007 he requested a COLB, thinking he would use it in case anybody put attention on him when McCain’s eligibility was becoming an issue. But he found that it had “ALTERED” on it, a BC# for 2006 (with an L in front of it, for “late”), and a note saying that a doctor’s affidavit of birthweight had been added in 2006. That wasn’t going to work, which is why he had to forge a COLB instead. Either he had the help of somebody at the HDOH to get Sunahara’s BC#, or he could have found the BC# himself after requesting a non-certified COLB for Virginia Sunahara based on Virginia’s birth announcement (which he found in the newspaper in the place which he later replaced with his own name, right above the birth announcement for Norman Asing’s son).

The point at which the HDOH would have HAD to be involved with altering actual records (rather than just covering for Obama’s forgery) is when they first claimed that Obama was in their birth index, which was after the election. The announcement they gave before the election was just that they had his birth certificate. They never claimed it was legally valid. To this day they’ve never claimed that their records for him are legally valid. The most they’ve claimed is that he is in their birth index, and to get him there they had to alter it to include legally non-valid records.

My mind is soggy; I hope this makes sense. We’ve been hit with a lot of loss today.


130 posted on 05/19/2012 2:22:28 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: edge919

Do you have a link about that? I’m uninformed on that and it sounds like a good thing to know about.


131 posted on 05/19/2012 2:24:33 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Smokeyblue

I believe that Hawaii just flushed its state sovereignty down the toilet.


132 posted on 05/19/2012 2:28:00 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Presenting a forgery in a press conference from the White House is fraud. That fraud is a criminal act against the voters of Arizona, and is the subject of a criminal investigation right now.

That does change things, because if the POTUS lied in front of full cameras at the White House on this very issue, it calls into question whether he perjured himself based upon that same fraudulent document that he presented from the White House.


133 posted on 05/19/2012 2:29:54 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: john mirse

No. It just has the TXE.


134 posted on 05/19/2012 2:31:01 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

“Onaka’s office is now stamping physical documents with a stamp having the TXE rather than THE, to try to support the online forgery.”

Wow. I didn’t know that.

I guess we can expect the Selective Service to now start stamping dates with only two digit year stamps instead of four to cover for Obama’s fraud.


135 posted on 05/19/2012 2:32:51 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Tau Food
...so I'm not sure I even care where he was born.

He won every single election prior to POTUS by using Chicago Cook County thug politics -- he got all of his opponents disqualified and thrown off the ballot. It would be delicious just deserts to get him thrown off the ballot in one state which just might trigger other states to do the same.

136 posted on 05/19/2012 2:33:02 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Smokeyblue

I just thought through what you said and what I said, and it appears that I’m saying that scenario is not only plausible but it’s actually my theory. lol

Long day.


137 posted on 05/19/2012 2:34:02 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: doorgunner69

Reports of my sanity are highly exaggerated. lol

If I’m doing anything right at all, it’s all the Lord’s doing.


138 posted on 05/19/2012 2:35:53 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: BuckeyeTexan; butterdezillion

“Does it give him the authority to decide who to put on the ballot?”

Not exactly. The following is why Gov Brewer supposedly vetoed the bill requiring a birth certificate (although it didn’t really):

“I vetoed HB2177 yesterday and I would like to take a moment to explain why I made that decision.

The bill would have granted sole power to the secretary of state, a county recorder or a city clerk to arbitrarily remove any candidate from the ballot in any federal, state or local election. As a former secretary of state, I do not support designating one person, at their own discretion, as the gatekeeper to determine who can and cannot appear on the ballot, which could lead to arbitrary or politically-motivated decisions in future elections.

Also, the bill would require candidates for President - regardless of gender - to submit various records, including baptismal or circumcision records. I hope that it’s obvious why these type of requirements could be problematic.”

http://www.facebook.com/notes/governor-jan-brewer/why-i-vetoed-hb2177-qualifications-for-federal-state-and-local-elections/10150168321758540

The ARS says, if I have the correct one:

“D. All persons desiring to become a candidate shall file with the nomination paper provided for in subsection A an affidavit which shall be printed in a form prescribed by the secretary of state. The affidavit shall include facts sufficient to show that, other than the residency requirement provided in subsection A, the candidate will be qualified at the time of election to hold the office the person seeks.”

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/16/00311.htm&Title=16&DocType=ARS

So as I read it, the party or candidate vets themselves, and presents an affidavit with information like birth date & location, etc. I don’t see any sign that primary documents, such as a birth certificate, are required.

I strongly believe they SHOULD be required, but the law doesn’t say that now. It amazes me that I need to show more documentation to get a driver’s license than a candidate for President has to show to get on the ballot...


139 posted on 05/19/2012 2:39:11 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: cherokee1

Is that your natural son, or an adopted son? When you say not long after, are you talking same month, same year, within a couple years...?


140 posted on 05/19/2012 2:42:23 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Elderberry

Ssssssssssttttttttttaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllll.


141 posted on 05/19/2012 2:43:17 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Too late for that to help anything, since the document in question was supposedly from 1980. (Also the stamp was from the post office rather than the SSA, if I’m understanding correctly).

But they HAVE made the microfilms that would show which registrations REALLY existed that day in 1980 available only to Eric Holder’s people...


142 posted on 05/19/2012 2:45:21 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

“I just thought through what you said and what I said, and
it appears that I’m saying that scenario is not only plausible but it’s actually my theory.”

I think it’s the obfuscation of Hawaii’s responses to the adoption/late registration/amended inquiries that throws things off.

Because if Obama stole Virginia’s number that makes all the other issues moot. He NEVER had a Hawaiian certificate to begin with or he was registered a couple of years later and his birth certificate number would be way out of wack for an Aug. 1961 birth date.

I think the only question becomes when did he steal it. Was it earlier than 2005-2007.

“Long day.”

I bet. No need to respond to this post. I get what you are saying.

You have been doing yeomans work responding to everyone.


143 posted on 05/19/2012 2:51:16 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: butterdezillion
I can’t wait for the HDOH to declare Bennett a “vexatious requestor” who they thus don’t have to answer

Yep, you know they will.

144 posted on 05/19/2012 3:01:42 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Mr Rogers

Thanks for the link. I’m looking at this statement:

“D. All persons desiring to become a candidate shall file with the nomination paper provided for in subsection A an affidavit which shall be printed in a form prescribed by the secretary of state. The affidavit shall include facts sufficient to show that, other than the residency requirement provided in subsection A, the candidate will be qualified at the time of election to hold the office the person seeks.”

It doesn’t say what facts are sufficient to show that the candidate will be qualified. I would presume that is left to the SOS then. And the HI statute allows a verification so that government officials can verify that the facts claimed on an application (such as the affidavit required here) are actually true. There is nothing here that excludes a SOS from making the decision as to whether the facts shown are sufficient or that excludes the SOS from verifying whether the claimed facts are true.

Unless there is another place which says more than this one, I would assume that it is the SOS’s job to determine whether the facts presented establish eligibility, and there is nothing to prevent the SOS from verifying that the stated facts are accurate. I also don’t see here anything that says that the name HAS to be printed on the ballot if the forms are properly filled out - just that they CAN’T be printed on the ballot if they haven’t filled out these minimum requirements.

Is there a section where it lists the duties of the SOS, or describes the exact procedures that have to be used by the SOS in determining whether the stated facts are sufficient to show that the candidate will be qualified?


145 posted on 05/19/2012 3:01:44 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
Here's the Real ID Act text below. When people use birth certificates to obtain a drivers license or an ID card, the state issuing the drivers license is supposed to confirm the submitted documentation used by the applicant with the issuing agency, such as a birth certificate in another state. What the Arizona SOS is asking for is no different than the kind of legal verification described in the Real ID act, which Obama himself voted for. Funny how he is being held to a much lesser standard of proof:
(1) IN GENERAL- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall require, at a minimum, presentation and verification of the following information before issuing a driver's license or identification card to a person:

(A) A photo identity document, except that a non-photo identity document is acceptable if it includes both the person's full legal name and date of birth.

(B) Documentation showing the person's date of birth. - - - (3) VERIFICATION OF DOCUMENTS- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall implement the following procedures:

(A) Before issuing a driver's license or identification card to a person, the State shall verify, with the issuing agency, the issuance, validity, and completeness of each document required to be presented by the person under paragraph (1) or (2).
(A) Before issuing a driver
146 posted on 05/19/2012 3:44:49 PM PDT by edge919
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

“DOES THIS EXPIRE SEPT. 6, 2011?”

That’s the expiration date of the Notory Public’s Commission, who signed on the line above.


147 posted on 05/19/2012 3:50:37 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: butterdezillion

Here is a list of all the AZ laws on nominations:

http://www.azleg.gov/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp?Title=16

My eyes get tired reading that stuff.


148 posted on 05/19/2012 4:08:49 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: wistful

I’m curious as to why this is suddenly significant. Its like something is going on behind the scenes. Who is doing all the searching on this issue suddenly?

Curioser and curioser.
________________________

You are curious, grasshopper?

Why now? Hmmmmm.

I would expect that the puppetmasters are done with Hussain and it is time for the next owned entity.


149 posted on 05/19/2012 4:19:27 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Elderberry
"The attorney general's office in Hawaii is telling Arizona's secretary of state that if he wants confirmation of President Barack Obama's birth records, he'll have to prove he legitimately needs it."

Why so much protesting? That in itself is a dead giveaway.

THERE IS NO REAL CERTIFICATE or there is something on it that he can't have shown. We are not stupid.

150 posted on 05/19/2012 4:42:33 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Criminaliens or Crimigrants...0bamao's people?)
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