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Hawaii to Ariz.: Prove need to verify Obama birth
My Fox Phoenix.Com ^ | 5/19/2012 | Joshua Wisch

Posted on 05/19/2012 9:35:37 AM PDT by Elderberry

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OK Texas, are you going to follow suit?

101 posted on 05/19/2012 12:35:51 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

First thing, note that Wisch - just like Deputy AG Jill Nagamine had done before - upon the birth index shown to the public in the HDOH office. But I have proven on my blog that the 1960-64 birth index includes legally non-valid records. See the 2nd NEW headline at I’d post the link but my computer is freezing up when I go to my blog. sigh. This happens a lot.)

Wisch is an undeniable liar, according to this statement: “Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said.”

HRS 338-13 (found at ) says:

§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]

102 posted on 05/19/2012 12:43:43 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I don’t understand why this has not been covered up in depth in the records and databases. It is not difficult to create dated paper, forge the signatures, create paper files, change data, etc., to get this done. With the full capabilities of the rat gubmint, they cannot get this done? Perhaps there are too many people who know the truth and who will not be coerced into the scheme. The same applies for records at Hahvahd, and the other purported locations this scumbag has frequented.

103 posted on 05/19/2012 12:44:51 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Mr Rogers

“Within seventy-two hours after the close of filing the secretary of state shall certify to the officer in charge of elections the names of the candidates who are qualified for the presidential preference election ballot.”

This is going to be a pissing contest between AZ and HI. The AZ SoS already certified Obama as “qualified” for the primary election.

104 posted on 05/19/2012 12:45:25 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: butterdezillion

Thanks much for the excellent additional information. Why am I not surprised that the HI officials are bald faced liars?

105 posted on 05/19/2012 12:46:08 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Elderberry

The next move by the SOS of az should be to tell the Obama campaign to provide unfettered access to the records on file in Hawaii, or the probable cause of fraud will prevent his balllot access.

106 posted on 05/19/2012 12:49:31 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: SgtHooper

None of that matters. This is a legal game now. Obama and his thugs know what they’re doing. You can bet they were prepared for this eventuality. They’ll stand on “principle” and refused to provide anything that isn’t legally required.

107 posted on 05/19/2012 12:51:24 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Elderberry
This is turning into a game. It's unnerving to see these officials waging a pissing match over the common sense need to prove the most powerful office in American politics is held by someone Constitutionally eligible to hold it. Cough up the goods, Hawaii!
108 posted on 05/19/2012 12:51:28 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: Elderberry

Arizonia should say that an obviusly forged BC has been presented to the people that lists Obama as having a foreign father.

to wit.....

We believe that since the Democrat Party certified Obama as meeting Constitutional Article II eligibility requirements vis NBC we would like to clear up this discrepancy between his pro-offered BC and the political certification and verify that Obama’s parents were both US citizens, and that he was born in the US. Futhermore we’d like to disprove the claim in his published bio that he was born in Kenya to a Kenyan citizen which has cast doubt among the electorate as to his eligibility to hold the office he has filed to run for.

Without this documentation Barack Obama cannot be certified as meeting Article II eligibility requirements and therefore cannot be listed on the Arizona Ballot, nor can any write in votes for him be counted.

109 posted on 05/19/2012 1:02:54 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: butterdezillion

Butter, is this scenario plausible to you?

Obama was born in Kenya or Canada.

His foreign birth was NEVER registered in Hawaii. If it were he would have his own birth certificate number and not need Virginia’s.

In 2005-2007 Obama steals Virginia Sunahara’s birth certificate number and uses it on his public fake COLBS. Hawaii says nothing.

Since the birth index has been changed and only Hawaii is capable of doing that they now involved directly in the theft of Virginia’s number.

110 posted on 05/19/2012 1:04:15 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Exmil_UK

Onaka’s office is now stamping physical documents with a stamp having the TXE rather than THE, to try to support the online forgery. So it has actually crossed the line into using physical means from their office to support the forgeries.

In addition, the HDOH has put out two COLB’s which have BC#’s way out of sequence, according to their own claim that BC#’s were assigned on the “date filed” for Oahu births - Stig Waidelich’s and Virginia Sunahara’s. For those BC#’s to be genuine the HDOH would have to issue numbers totally randomly. For a while they were trying to make it look like they were alphabetized for a month, but the BC#’s they used don’t work with that theory and they don’t work with the birth announced in the newspapers OR the number of August 1961 births according to the CDC’s 1961 Natality Report either. No matter how they twist it, they can’t get those numbers to fit.

IOW, in terms of actual legal documents/records that are traceable to Onaka’s office, we’ve got the TXE stamp they’re using now, manipulation of at least 2 COLBs’ BC#’s, alteration of the 1960-64 birth index to allow legally non-valid records, and alteration of their database to change Virginia Sunahara’s record to a different name (see ).

I hope Onaka holds firm, but it seems that control is slipping. At this point maybe Onaka could be convinced to be the one to bail out first and get an immunity deal.

111 posted on 05/19/2012 1:06:22 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Gilbo_3; Elderberry
RE :”it would seem that if bambam wants to be on the ballot, its up to him to authorize the documents, NOT Az...

That fight has already been surrendered.

AZ passed such a law and Brewer vetoed it. No other states had the guts to go that far.

Just this endless talking with no action just rallies blacks and Hispanics to Obama without any benefit of hurting Obama. It makes the whole thing look like a made up joke.

I still remember when all the birthers said that a single judge would remove Obama from office, then they followed Trump. Then they couldn't get this simple obvious task done.

112 posted on 05/19/2012 1:20:55 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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I agree. We are getting very close. From a post last night:
>>Pride goeth before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall and obama has set himself up for something spectacular.

Not only that, but a lot of other people as well; the entire 111th Congress, which certified him, could be charged with misrepresention of the various felonies. The several states's Secretary of States could be charged with misfeasance/malfeasance, the civil equivalent of dereliction of duty, in addition to all the judges who denied standing.

IOW, if the shit hits the fan, then we have a LOT of house-cleaning to do... and a LOT of it will be inescapable by the corrupt.

I just hope he doesn't do something stupid and gets a lot of people killed on his way down.
We the people put him in a position of great the destruction Proverbs 16:18 speaks of his alone, or ours along with his?

That, I think, could go either way. Just remember what God says about "those who are called by my name" ans stand for justice (Micha 5:8).

I think we’re all uneasy because we know something very big is imminent but can’t really do much about it.
If you have time, check out the book suggestion in my tagline. I think you'll be as amazed by what it explains as I am.

I might check that book out.

113 posted on 05/19/2012 1:20:55 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 353FMG

Texas? What are you talking about?

114 posted on 05/19/2012 1:21:22 PM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: sdcraigo

Yes, you’re right. It was Feinstein. I don’t know why I get those 2 mixed up. Thanks for the correction.

I don’t read his work regularly but somebody pointed out his posts regarding this matter. It broke my heart to read the article about “I Hung My Head”. Nobody is beyond redemption. I don’t doubt this guy has done awful things, just like Bill and Hillary have done awful things. But there is forgiveness available to all who will repent - which just involves recognizing how wrong something was. And it sounds to me like this guy is having to see the oak that came from the acorns he sowed.

I wish there was a way to get together the people who know what needs to happen and find a way to let the past be gone for at least as long as it takes to do the right thing now. To me, that’s a big part of what’s going on with the Hillary folks working with the Cold Case Posse. I don’t agree with either Bill or Hillary’s politics, but I don’t think they truly want to destroy this country.

I don’t know. Right now things are really emotional for me. I’ve sort of been emotional anyway because my oldest daughter just graduated from high school. But I found out within the last hour that my daughter’s speech teacher just gave birth to a stillborn baby, and a mother in our congregation who on Thursday morning had passed out after dropping her daughter off at school and driven into a pond has died this morning. Another church member in his mid-40’s found out about a week ago that he has multiple stage-4 brain tumors. And the son of one of our members suddenly died of an aneurysm in Kansas this past week.

The stillbirth hits hard, because our first child was stillborn. Circumstances very similar to this one. It all comes back and you just have to weep for a while. I’ve done that, but I’m still dealing with the realization of how fragile life is. The past 3 years have taught me how fragile freedom, truth, and the rule of law are; I’ve felt like I’ve been grieving my country this whole time. And then there are these constant reminders that life itself is so fragile.

I’ve mentioned elsewhere that we need to be praying for the people who are trying to protect this country. We have powerful enemies in both the physical and spiritual realms who use any means possible to get us out of our stride. We are so frail in spite of all our blustery talk, and we need the Lord to strengthen us and make us wise. He alone can save America.

115 posted on 05/19/2012 1:23:12 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Elderberry
Some thoughts:

1. Boycott Hawaii: Arizona residents should boycott Hawaii until Hawaii gives Arizona information about Obama that it requests.

2. Go to court: The secretary should announce that Obama is off the ballot, because Hawaii will not provide certified confirmation/proof that Obama was born in Hawaii.

3. Then let's see if Obama's high-priced lawyers go to court to sue Arizona and try to get Obama back on the ballot.

4. If Obama's lawyers go to court, then Arizona's lawyers could spring a trap and counterattack by demanding that Hawaii provide a certified copy of Obama's long form birth certificate in order to prove that Obama has a legal right to be on the Nov. 2012 ballot.

5. Then all hell will break lose, because Hawaii officials will finally have to present certified/legal proof in court, under penalty of perjury, that Obama was born in Hawaii.

6. And if somehow Obama loses in court and Arizona decides to keep Obama's name off of the Nov. 2012 ballot, the terrible ripple effect will be tremendous, because other states will have no choice but to follow Arizona's example and decide whether or not Obama should be placed on their Nov. 2012 ballots. All hell will then break loose.

116 posted on 05/19/2012 1:24:21 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: Deo volente

“A lot of people are going to an awful lot of trouble and putting themselves in extreme legal jeopardy to get this Kenyan reelected.”

I maintain that O’Bozo is a usurping fraud right here and now. So I suspect they don’t care about his reelection as much as they care about covering up their complicity in allowing the fraud in the first place.

Some appear to be directly involved in the crimes as opposed others just not stopping them.

But yes, it’s amazing how many have put themselves in jeopardy here. Unnecessarily so.

117 posted on 05/19/2012 1:24:27 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Mr Rogers

Does it give him the authority to decide who to put on the ballot?

118 posted on 05/19/2012 1:24:40 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: BuckeyeTexan

That was before Sheriff Joe revealed he was going forward with a criminal investigation into Obama’s forged long-form and the fraud of having that presented as if genuine. That calls into question whether Obama perjured himself to get on the primary ballot. Which changes everything.

119 posted on 05/19/2012 1:31:29 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: CodeToad

They should ask his literary agent.

120 posted on 05/19/2012 1:37:29 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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