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Zimmerman murder case looks like long shot
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | May 19, 2012 | Beth Kassab

Posted on 05/19/2012 3:36:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Unless Angela Corey has something she's not telling us, her second-degree-murder case against George Zimmerman is looking more and more like a long shot.

The special prosecutor assigned to investigate the death of Trayvon Martin released hundreds of pages of evidence last week.

But any expectation of a bombshell to explain her reason for filing a murder charge — which comes with a much higher burden of proof than a manslaughter charge — was short-lived.

The documents failed to answer the case's biggest questions: Who started the fight between Zimmerman and Trayvon? And whose voice was heard screaming for help on a 911 call?

None of the witnesses saw the entire confrontation between the two, or who threw the first punch.

The evidence does, however, support Zimmerman's claim that he was assaulted by Trayvon — whether Zimmerman started it or not.

Photos of Zimmerman's bloodied head and swollen nose show he was injured.

On the other hand, Trayvon's autopsy report showed no sign of bruising or other injuries that would indicate he was punched by the Neighborhood Watch leader.

That only further serves to bolster Zimmerman's claim that Trayvon went after him and that he shot Trayvon in self-defense.

It can't be good for Corey when her discovery documents appear to strengthen the defendant's case more than her own.

The best piece of evidence for the prosecutor is something we already knew but was explicitly stated in a Sanford police report: Trayvon's death was "ultimately avoidable" if Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle and waited for law enforcement to arrive....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: angelacorey; blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; martin; racism; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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We don't "know" that, Beth!
1 posted on 05/19/2012 3:36:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It looks like she filed charges to placate the mob.

Her career should be over.


2 posted on 05/19/2012 3:41:15 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Long shot” is a weird way to say “miscarriage of justice”.


3 posted on 05/19/2012 3:41:39 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All of a sudden, ABC, MSNBC, HLN, etc., are running segments on evidence released by the prosecution and talking about how weak the case looks against Zimmerman. I think they are trying to gently and in a prolonged way trying to let down the Z-is-a-child-murderer crowd. They’ve got to deflate the the situation.
#$&^^%$# them for hyping the situation in the first place.


4 posted on 05/19/2012 3:43:12 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, Angie, now that you’ve ruined GZ’s life, how do you propose to give him back his good name and family’s safety?


5 posted on 05/19/2012 3:46:29 PM PDT by bgill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It can't be good for Corey when her discovery documents appear to
strengthen the defendant's case more than her own.

6 posted on 05/19/2012 3:47:11 PM PDT by Zakeet (Obama loves to wok dogs)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This looks like another ambitious prosecutor who thought she saw a show trial but is only making a fool of herself.

What I don’t know is how much that is her fault, and how much the governor is to blame. I think it was his decision that put her in charge of the case. A politically stupid move, if you ask me. Better to have stayed out of it.


7 posted on 05/19/2012 3:48:02 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The best piece of evidence for the prosecutor is something we already knew but was explicitly stated in a Sanford police report: Trayvon’s death was “ultimately avoidable” if Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle and waited for law enforcement to arrive....”
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The “best piece of evidence”? I hate to tell this stupid “reporter”, but that’s not evidence—that’s someones speculation/opinion. This whole “case” is pure smoke!


8 posted on 05/19/2012 3:49:05 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: bgill

“Which office do I go to get my reputation back?” ~Ray Donovan, former Reagan administration Secretary of Labor


9 posted on 05/19/2012 3:53:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: House Atreides

Naw, if TRAYVON had stayed in his home and not gone out ‘shopping’ (what we call it in LA), he’d have a real life.


10 posted on 05/19/2012 3:55:10 PM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Incredible to me how prosecutors will napalm their entire career just to appease a few liberals, liberals who usually have the education of 5th graders like Al Sharpton. I really do not understand it. What is it about liberals that enslaves people to them?

Look at this idiot for example: Years and years of school, tons of money, years and years of working for next to nothing. And when his time comes, he gambles everything on a lying two-bit-whore and a bunch of liberal twats. Good going idiot, McDonalds is calling. I assume doing a couple hours of basic research is a no no in idiot land. Two hours of time traded for a career in McDonalds for minimum wage. Yeah, go ahead and smirk asshole. Let's see how much you are smirkijng in the next few years when the only date you can get is with the very slut you arse kissed,


11 posted on 05/19/2012 3:57:02 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Who is that?


12 posted on 05/19/2012 4:07:33 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The goal post is not "conviction". The goal post is "trial". If they get the case past dismissal over "Stand Your Ground", then the hordes of lawyers of the Martins get to sue the town of Sanford and the housing development, and will probably settle for $millions.

If the case is dismissed over Stand Your Ground, then the trial lawyers get nothing.

13 posted on 05/19/2012 4:13:45 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The best piece of evidence for the prosecutor is something we already knew but was explicitly stated in a Sanford police report: Trayvon's death was "ultimately avoidable" if Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle and waited for law enforcement to arrive.

The best "piece of evidence"?? That's not "evidence." It's just a mindless argument no different than saying if Trayvon had not gotten out of bed that morning the altercation would have been avoided.

Police, who recommended Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter, also affirmed, "There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter."

Trayvon had THC (the active ingredient in marijuana) in his blood at the time of the encounter. So yes, there is indication that Trayvon was high on dope, and possession and use of dope is a criminal activity in Florida.

14 posted on 05/19/2012 4:14:00 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Mike Nifong. See Duke Lacrosse Frame.


15 posted on 05/19/2012 4:16:04 PM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: GeronL
It looks like she filed charges to placate the mob.

That's what she was appointed to do. When was a special prosecutor ever appointed that didn't bring in an indictment? The Gov and AG knew a grand jury probably would have refused to indict, and they had to placate Holder's lynch mob.

Her career should be over.

I wouldn't count on it. But the voters can get rid of the AG.

16 posted on 05/19/2012 4:19:19 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Mike Nifong, Doc.

C’mon, even one of your brains knew that, eh? LOL


17 posted on 05/19/2012 4:24:15 PM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The best piece of evidence for the prosecutor is something we already knew but was explicitly stated in a Sanford police report: Trayvon's death was "ultimately avoidable" if Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle and waited for law enforcement to arrive....

That statement, however, is not evidence, and calling it that doesn't make it so. The prosecution is desperately hoping to get that statement into the trial as the only way of attempting to get a conviction.

Why was a case, already a month old, and not going anywhere because it looked like an extremely strong self-defense claim would win easily, suddenly be brought back to national and international attention and hype? And why did the 0bama regime jump in with both feet in such a minor local matter?

I think the "crisis czar" saw the case as the best available event to build into a Rodney King-type situation, which can be dangled over the country for months. Depending on how the wind blows, 0bama and Holder can either bring justice to "their people", or defuse the situation, showing that, for once, their brand of justice is really blind. But meanwhile, they can keep the pot boiling at whatever temperature suits their purpose.

18 posted on 05/19/2012 4:25:09 PM PDT by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Corey is a jerk and a LIAR just like her criminal bosses, holder and hussein.


19 posted on 05/19/2012 4:29:00 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

As I see in there are only two clear possibilities on why the prosecutor did what she did:

A) She is a blithering moron barely capable of figuring out how to feed herself.

B) She is trying to protect Zimmerman by trying him with a charge he is clearly innocent of and thus guaranteeing him protection via double jeopardy from lesser charges.

Of course if she is doing B, that’s legal malpractice. However it is unlikely to be provable, and she gets away with just looking like A. Not really sure how there is any winning angle for her.

Though even when Zimmerman is declared innocent, he will still face trumped up civil right charges from the Black Panther, er I mean Holder DoJ.


20 posted on 05/19/2012 4:29:44 PM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I wonder how many people realize that the operating Culture of this nation is as lying and corrupt as any local yokel court at the height of Jim Crow? I doubt that very many localities would have given this put up job of a case the back of their hand as it deserves. Not a God-fearing Man or a Patriot has shown his face in it so far.
21 posted on 05/19/2012 4:31:05 PM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: rogue yam
“Long shot” is a weird way to say “miscarriage of justice”.

Yes it is and well spoken.

22 posted on 05/19/2012 4:34:16 PM PDT by Johnny_cash
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To: drbuzzard

The justice department went down there and pretty much forced her to file charges. Having the full weight of the Federal Government on your back is enough to make most people cave in.


23 posted on 05/19/2012 4:34:38 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Meet the New Boss

Weed has nothing to do with the case. Drop it. He was supposedly attacked. I will go with that.


24 posted on 05/19/2012 4:34:41 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Meet the New Boss

THC can stay in your system for four weeks. That’s why many people who get tested use cocaine.


25 posted on 05/19/2012 4:37:51 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: 300winmag

August 8 is the evidentery hearing. The judge could throw it out due to lack of evidence or on Zimmerman’s presentation of self-defense.

If it is thrown out, things will blow up in Obama’s face. The riots may still be going up to or near the election.


26 posted on 05/19/2012 4:38:27 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Based on what we've seen up to this point, the case might not make it past a hearing to determine whether Zimmerman has immunity based on Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law...

Nope, that won't work. Z was not standing... he was on the ground. His only shot is if Floriduh has a "lying on the ground getting the snot punched out of you, your nose broken, bloody head, and coming close to being killed" law.

27 posted on 05/19/2012 4:38:54 PM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: umgud
things will blow up in Obama’s face...

Zer0 can then say that, if he "had a second son, he would look like George Zimmerman".

Of course, if he said that, his statement would be more correct than the other one about his first son.

28 posted on 05/19/2012 4:41:22 PM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: drbuzzard

You forgot some options:

C) She’s been promised a plumb job in the DOJ.

D) She’s afraid of riots and/or the lib media.

E) She’s got something on Zimmerman we haven’t seen.

My money is on C.


29 posted on 05/19/2012 4:48:26 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Weed used to make people goofy and hungry, not violent.

Maybe he feared losing his Skittles?


30 posted on 05/19/2012 4:50:29 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Cementjungle

That’s certainly believable.


31 posted on 05/19/2012 4:52:53 PM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

You should read up on Nifong’s replacement. I think Nifong is the smarter of the two, if that tells you anything. Read http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/ and see just how stupid voters can be.


32 posted on 05/19/2012 5:05:13 PM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: House Atreides
Trayvon’s death was “ultimately avoidable” if Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle and waited for law enforcement to arrive....”

    Trayvon’s death was “ultimately avoidable” if:
  1. Trayvon was not expelled from school
  2. Trayvon had skipped the skittles and went to taco bell
  3. Trayvon had gone straight home
  4. Trayvon had knocked GZ out cold
  5. Trayvon acted and spoke respectfully to the neighborhood watchman
  6. George Zimmerman had super powers like superman
  7. Trayvon's parents were still an intact family that disciplined children
  8. Trayvon had a bicycle
  9. George Zimmerman had police backup - when seconds count the police are only minutes away

33 posted on 05/19/2012 5:10:31 PM PDT by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: truth_seeker

.Look up “side effects of marijuana.”

Anger, anxiety, paranoia.


34 posted on 05/19/2012 5:10:54 PM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: truth_seeker

That is a myth, sometimes people get violent on weed, and many of our most violent elements in society are chronic pot users.


35 posted on 05/19/2012 5:23:14 PM PDT by ansel12 (When immutable definition of Bible marriage of One Man, One Woman, is in jeopardy, call the Mormon.)
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To: EEGator
Whether it was four weeks or four minutes, the presence of the THC in Trayvon Martin's blood indicates he was accustomed to drug abuse. The history of drug abuse indicates the teenager needed a source of income to trade for the illicit drugs. The source of income for obtaining the illicit drugs may or may not include Trayvon Martin's participation in burglaries and/or robberies to obtain stolen goods and/or monies. Trayvon Martin's known past possession of a possible burglary tool and/or stolen women's jewelry at school indicates a possible history of such criminal activity. Consequently, it cannot be stated as fact by anyone that Trayvon Martin was not engaging in criminal activity such as soliciting the purchase or sale of illicit drugs or casing homes for burglaries when he came under observation by George Zimmerman. For all we know at present, Trayvon Martin assaulted George Zimmerman because Zimmerman's presence interfered with Trayvon Martin's ability to engage in such criminal activity as illicit drug trade or serving as a lookout for burglars supplying the youngster with illicit drugs.

So long as a jury is unable to exclude the possibility that Trayvon Martin assaulted George Zimmerman for the purpose of eliminating an obstacle to such criminal activity, the jury must find the defendant, George Zimmerman, not guilty of any form of unlawful homicide or unlawful pursuit.

The reporter is clearly mis-stating and misrepresenting the evidence in the case.

36 posted on 05/19/2012 5:25:56 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: goseminoles
Weed has nothing to do with the case. Drop it.

You ordering me to "drop it"? eff you.

37 posted on 05/19/2012 5:35:36 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: WhiskeyX

I think the kid is a dirtbag, but I’m quite sure GZ is not psychic. He had no idea that the kid smoked weed at some point in time. I’m also quite sure a person is innocent until proven guilty.(both parties) If TM was on top of GZ pummeling him, then it is self defense by GZ.


38 posted on 05/19/2012 5:39:57 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator
If TM was on top of GZ pummeling him, then it is self defense by GZ.

It may have even been an accident in the struggle for the gun. It could have been the other way if TM had gotten his hands on it first.
39 posted on 05/19/2012 5:43:24 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

I agree.


40 posted on 05/19/2012 5:46:21 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: C210N
>>Nope, that won't work. Z was not standing... he was on the ground. His only shot is if Floriduh has a “lying on the ground getting the snot punched out of you, your nose broken, bloody head, and coming close to being killed” law.
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The “Stand Your Ground” reference to FL’s self-defense law is somewhat misleading. “Stand Your Ground” is only part of the law. If Zimmerman can get vindicated by the judge in a hearing before a jury verdict, then no civil suits against him (or the city, or the homeowners’ association, etc.) are possible. And the standard in that hearing is just a preponderance of the evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. That's why the self-defense hearing is so important.

41 posted on 05/19/2012 5:54:33 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Actually it was a short shot, probably less than 1 ft.


42 posted on 05/19/2012 5:58:04 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ( R)
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To: EEGator

It’s not being “psychic” to see someone who acts like they are under the influence of drugs.

Here is Saint Trayvon at the 7-11.

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/surveillance-trayvon-martin-at-store-night-of/vHLg7/

I’ve seen lots of people stoned and have known quite a few heavy users.

Here we see Saint Trayvon bouncing back and forth off the counter and rocking from side to side. At one point he uses one arm to prop himself up on the counter. He is constantly shifting back and forth.

He takes a long time to pay and he can’t quite figure out quickly how to pick out the right coins from his palm.

When he is finished paying he wanders off in the wrong direction for a while before figuring out which way the entrance is.

Saint Trayvon lookee like he bin smokee da weed....


43 posted on 05/19/2012 6:01:26 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: WhiskeyX

The idea that Trayvon Martin assaulted Zimmerman because Zimmerman was interferring with his casing of homes for burglary, is one I have long suspected. It was like Martin was teaching Zimmerman a lesson for watching him. Because Trayvon’s dad had given him an inside pass into the gated community, it made for a big advantage for a burglar. People in gated communities tend to relax their precautions in keeping doors locked and more than likely had expensive things to steal. Zimmerman, high on pot, must have felt like he was a kid in a candy store.


44 posted on 05/19/2012 6:01:26 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: ansel12

You bet, pot makes many want to rape and kill.


45 posted on 05/19/2012 6:06:41 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Meet the New Boss

The clerk at the store who took Trayvon’s money may have observations of his behavior that would be clues to his mental state. The appearance of him in the video indicates to me that he was high.


46 posted on 05/19/2012 6:08:39 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: HerrBlucher

Yes, from 1 to 18 inches according to the autopsy. I read another forensics report (based upon examination of Martin’s clothing) that it was a contact shot. So I’m with you, almost certainly less than 1 foot, perhaps significantly so.


47 posted on 05/19/2012 6:10:47 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: jonrick46

>>People in gated communities tend to relax their precautions in keeping doors locked and more than likely had expensive things to steal. Zimmerman, high on pot, must have felt like he was a kid in a candy store.<<

(I think you mean Trayvon, not Zimmerman)

Actually, this particular gated community was on edge because of numerous recent burglaries, including one when the wife and child were at home.

By any objective measure, it was not an affluent area. The condos had lost more than half of their value, with several being bank owned. You can see them if you google 1111 Retreat View Circle (the clubhouse address), Sanford, FL. Looking at zillow, the sizes are 1,200-1,500 square feet with only one car garages, not what most people would describe as affluent, but still worthy of breaking and entering to someone who needed money for his pot.


48 posted on 05/19/2012 6:15:59 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: dragnet2
You bet, pot makes many want to rape and kill.

What is does do is impair one's judgment.

Someone who is high may decide to do something they would think twice about if they were fully sober.

If someone is walking around trying to hold himself out as a "gangsta" then maybe if he is high he might do something like take a swing at a bus driver that if he were sober he would think to himself, you know maybe this is not the right time or place to show out as a "gangsta". (recall the tweet "you ain't tell me you swung on a bus driver")

If he was high and on the phone to some girl maybe he decides to impress her by acting the "gangsta" by jumping some short hispanic guy who dares to ask him what he is doing in the neighborhood.

That way the girl can spread the story back home about how the No_Limit_Nigga gave a beat-down to some hispanic guy, giving him some gangsta cred.

However, if he was sober maybe he thinks that's not such a smart plan.

49 posted on 05/19/2012 6:21:43 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss

You have a big imagination.

Those on the streets don’t need to be high to sucker punch your lights out...Just for giggles. Later when they get high, they have a good ol’ belly laugh recalling how they took turns stomping on your face before looting your pockets.


50 posted on 05/19/2012 6:36:42 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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