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New Zimmerman, Martin Images Could Make Finding a Jury Difficult: Expert
WTVJ-TV ^ | May 18, 2012 | Willard Shepard

Posted on 05/19/2012 4:42:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The last images of Trayvon Martin before he was killed show him at the counter at a Sanford 7-Eleven as he buys Skittles and an iced tea. Another newly released photo shows a yellow tarp covering his body just a short distance from the house he was walking back to on Feb. 26.

George Zimmerman’s doctor says his nose likely was broken in their encounter, and more photos show Zimmerman’s face and head up close on the night he shot Martin, which he says he did in self-defense.

The public viewing of these images, while clearly permissible under Florida law, may make it extremely difficult to find an impartial jury, a South Florida legal expert told NBC 6.

“It makes everybody a CSI expert, a defense attorney, a prosecutor,” said Miami criminal defense attorney and former public defender Jonathan Meltz, who is not associated with the case. “To get a fair and impartial jury is difficult. They will be tainted.”

The new images were part of a massive amount of evidence, including 184 pages of documents and recordings, which prosecutors released in the second-degree murder case against Zimmerman Thursday. He has pleaded not guilty.

Meltz says the blood on the back of Zimmerman’s head, and the frontal shot which his damaged nose – which two police officers who responded to the scene described as broken in a Sanford Police offense report – will go a long way in court.

“It appears to bolster the defense more than the state or the prosecution,” Meltz said. “You've seen multiple pictures of what his head looked like. The blood scrapings, the injuries, multiple witnesses are talking about a broken nose.”

The new documents include numerous witness accounts of the incident at The Retreat at Twin Lakes, some of which conflict.

Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump said “we’re very happy that this information is all out, it’s all transparent, so everybody in America can see it for themselves and judge it for themselves. We don't have to have no third parties interpreting it for us.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bencrump; blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
"We don't have to have no third parties interpreting it for us.”

Seriously? He graduated from a law school?

Isn't that the TV station that was caught editing the voice tapes for the Today Show to make Mr. Zimmerman look like a racist?

1 posted on 05/19/2012 4:42:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why would Zimm want a jury? In this case he’s better off with just a judge. It’s up to the defense, isn’t it?


2 posted on 05/19/2012 4:52:42 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (I don't mind you hitting me, Frank, but take it easy on the Bacardi.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Legal idiocy. Only def can ask for COV, and that’s the last thing the def wants in this case


3 posted on 05/19/2012 4:55:34 PM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think the disclosure of all this information is very intentional - so that no jury can be found. A mistrial will then be declared with no “winner” or “loser” in court ... thus leaving everyone to his own decision and opinion. That may be enough to prevent Rodney King-rioting in the streets if there is an “adverse” verdict. Florida fears reaction more than it desires justice (my opinion, obviously).


4 posted on 05/19/2012 4:56:16 PM PDT by T Baden (Tenth Amendment Texan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Seriously? He graduated from a law school?”

No, he was ‘passed’ through law school. A very common occurrence, especially if threats about civil rights complaints are made. “Heck, he's not worth my getting in trouble for, let somebody else flunk him and suffer the consequences.”

5 posted on 05/19/2012 5:03:37 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: I cannot think of a name

Florida State University School of Law:
http://www.law.fsu.edu/images/FSULAW_Spring_2006.pdf

Ben Crump and Daryl Parks: The Reverend Al Sharpton calls them the ‘next Johnny Cochrans.’


6 posted on 05/19/2012 5:07:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: I cannot think of a name

Yup.

That’s also how we got our “President”.


7 posted on 05/19/2012 5:09:27 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"We don't have to have no third parties interpreting it for us."

Benjamin Crump. An ambulance-chaser by any other name.

8 posted on 05/19/2012 5:09:27 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? Seriously? You're that dense?)
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Keep FR Running
Let's get to Yellow!

9 posted on 05/19/2012 5:09:35 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: T Baden

I agree completely. It’s pretty obvious that the prosecution ‘way over-charge with the 2nd degree murder charge. Combine that with an evidence dump like the last three days, you come to the conclusion that the prosecution has no intention of trying this case. They are trying to neutralize the race baiters.


10 posted on 05/19/2012 5:11:24 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: I cannot think of a name
No, he was ‘passed’ through law school.

How did he pass the Florida bar exam?

11 posted on 05/19/2012 5:16:46 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, I'll rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The last images of Trayvon Martin before he was killed show him at
the counter at a Sanford 7-Eleven as he buys Skittles and an iced tea.

12 posted on 05/19/2012 5:17:12 PM PDT by Zakeet (Obama loves to wok dogs)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
State-controlled media insists on publishing them, then lament that publishing them might help Zimmerman get off.

They just can't make up their minds.

13 posted on 05/19/2012 5:22:08 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? Seriously? You're that dense?)
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To: T Baden

“the disclosure of the evidence was intentional”

I have been wondering about that. I can’t recall evidence being released in other cases prior to a trial.


14 posted on 05/19/2012 5:25:23 PM PDT by berdie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"We don't have to have no third parties interpreting it for us.”

Seriously? He graduated from a law school?

Crump speaks like that. I LOLed the first time I saw him doing a press conference.

15 posted on 05/19/2012 5:28:37 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
He reminds me of one of the characters on Fat Albert although I can't put a name to a face.
16 posted on 05/19/2012 5:45:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I just started thinking. Was Zimmerman read his Miranda rights?


17 posted on 05/19/2012 6:02:54 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But a huge LynchMobMedia-wide campaign to demonize Zimmerman and lionize Traytable didn't compromise the case?

The POTUS comparing Traytable to his fictional son didn't compromise the case?

The DoJ starting a hate crime investigation before the FL prosecutor even filed charges doesn't compromise the case?

A sitting Congressman making an ass of himself on the House Floor in a hoodie doesn't compromise the case?

Every professional race hustler in the business calling for "protests" doesn't compromise the case?

The NBPP domestic terrorist organization issuing Dead or Alive Wanted Posters and threats of riots doesn't compromise the case?

No, none of that compromises the case but actual evidence, that may or may not be seen in the courtroom, does.

18 posted on 05/19/2012 6:14:12 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Finding a jury won’t be difficult, finding one that understands the law and isn’t a bunch of emotionally driven ninnies will be.

If you care to wander over to DU and peruse the Martin/Zimmerman threads, what passes for reason over there is astounding.

One of the most common themes involves Zimmerman being a wannabe cop bully who profiles the child Trayvon. Trayvon was merely standing his ground when “assaulted” by Z’s crazy profiling, therefore the child Trayvon launching a physical attack on Z is merely righteous self defense.

Zimmerman loses all right to self defense when he profiles the child Trayvon and disobeys the dispatcher order to cease pursuit. Furthermore, by possessing a firearm Z clearly shows intent to murder, and is a reprehensible coward for not taking his well deserved beating like a man, instead resorting to the cowardly way by using his firearm.

It’s within your rights to assault and mercilessly beat people who follow you and ask you what you are doing, but in general only if you are a minority. If you see suspicious activity and do anything but call 911 and wait, you are a vigilante.

Following somebody and asking them what you are doing makes you a stalker under Florida law, and you lose any right to self defense while committing this felonious act.

I’m not making any of this up. People who post that stuff over there are potential jurors, and are convinced that the above views are the only reasonable ones a sane person can hold. The would not think themselves to be prejudiced in any way.

I’ve listened to Al Sharpton on the radio and this is his line of reasoning, too, as well as that of most of his guests and callers, except for the ones who think that all the evidence is manufactured, and that Zimmerman gunned down the child Trayvon while he begged for mercy, and then went and concocted everything we’ve seen with his good buddies the racist cops.

No amount of truth, evidence, change of venue or anything else is going to matter to people who think this way, and if Zimmerman walks the only thing they’ll be capable of his rage.


19 posted on 05/19/2012 6:16:19 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just what George needs....a jury of folks so out of touch with the world, that they haven’t seen any influencing media on the subject.....


20 posted on 05/19/2012 6:23:10 PM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: M1911A1

I’m not seeing any threads about Zimmerman being black himself. His G-Grandfather was. That doesn’t fit the American racist definition of profiling, or hate crimes.


21 posted on 05/19/2012 6:43:37 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: BerryDingle

No, his grandfather was. I posted a photo the other day of his grandma - Peruvian, grandpa - black, and his mother as a baby.


22 posted on 05/19/2012 6:50:34 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: BerryDingle
I'll post the link in a minute, don't think it works if html is in the comment unless I do the link that way. Great site, btw, tons more photos and info.
23 posted on 05/19/2012 6:57:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: BerryDingle

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/


24 posted on 05/19/2012 6:59:15 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

What i had read was that his mother’s father was “Afro-Peruvian” which would make George Zimmerman one-eighth black, if the great-grandfather was solely of African descent. But he could have other black ancestry—the photo of his grandfather showed him as very dark-complexioned but I don’t know if that meant he was of African descent. So GZ could be more than 1/8th black. He probably has a larger share of African ancestry than Jeremiah Wright does.


25 posted on 05/19/2012 6:59:34 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Trayvon reffing an interracial street fight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC4eaaWJdFM


26 posted on 05/19/2012 7:06:11 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: berdie

<<I have been wondering about that. I can’t recall evidence being released in other cases prior to a trial.<<

It’s a Florida thing. That’s the law there.


27 posted on 05/19/2012 7:09:23 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Funny how the libs suddenly get worried about finding a jury when the public’s exposed to evidence that contradicts their false narrative. An accurate representation of the circumstances will have no negative impact on prospective jurors because they're simply seeing the facts of the case.

What will make finding a jury difficult is the widespread circulation of falsehoods done by the media, the race-baiters, and the “prosecutor”. Their intention in circulating that crap is to pollute the jury pool.

28 posted on 05/19/2012 7:16:58 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: berdie

In any case, plenty of evidence is released before trial to the public. The idea that because it’s released now, a person will get a mind set and therefore biased is ridiculous. It’s the same evidence they will hear in court....unless the media does its own thing...that could never happen. They would never lie or alter tapes or present child images of a punk to influence the population or follow an agenda.....”Could be my son....disgusted !!!


29 posted on 05/19/2012 7:18:58 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Graybeard58

“How did he pass the Florida bar exam?”

Probably the same way he would have passed down here in Texas. “Our sensitivity to cultural differences has resulted in adjustment and alignment to increase minority representation.”

Translation into English: we’ve lowered the test standards, again.


30 posted on 05/19/2012 8:19:49 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: M1911A1

AP US Government and Politics teachers teach it the same way. They’re nearly all liberals and likely regular DU posters.


31 posted on 05/19/2012 9:46:10 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“....he buys Skittles and an iced tea.”

I know it’s not a big thing, but IT WASN’T iced tea!

It was Arizona (brand) Watermelon fruit juice cocktail.

NOT TEA!!! Just the facts.


32 posted on 05/19/2012 10:08:24 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: faucetman
“....he buys Skittles and an iced tea.” I know it’s not a big thing, but IT WASN’T iced tea! It was Arizona (brand) Watermelon fruit juice cocktail. NOT TEA!!! Just the facts.
That is truly amazing. I mean, this is a sign of political correctness gone amok. Apparently, out of racial sensitivity, the media has been reporting it as ice tea. Absolutely amazing. We live in a country where you can't even report the facts because they might offend someone.
33 posted on 05/19/2012 10:35:27 PM PDT by Krankor
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To: M1911A1

Following somebody and asking them what you are doing makes you a stalker under Florida law, and you lose any right to self defense while committing this felonious act<<

Is there any evidence that Zim asked Martin what he was doing? I thought Zim’s account was that the first words were Martin asking him “Do you have a f-—en problem?”


34 posted on 05/19/2012 10:46:11 PM PDT by freedomrings69
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To: M1911A1

With the mountains in labor like this, will it give birth to a ridiculous mouse (Zimmerman pleads to misdemeanor disorderly conduct and is sentenced to house arrest time served or whatever lets him go tout suite).


35 posted on 05/19/2012 10:49:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: G Larry

deep woods rednecks (good) or urban food stamp mushrooms (bad)


36 posted on 05/19/2012 10:52:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, the Obama/Sharpton Lynch Mob is undoubtedly saying “If it weren’t for all this evidence, getting a conviction would be easy!”


37 posted on 05/20/2012 4:04:45 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“impartial” is not “ignorant”.


38 posted on 05/20/2012 4:11:39 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: gaijin

Does that video have its own thread?


39 posted on 05/20/2012 4:21:16 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yep. Kind of like..'What do you call the person who graduates dead last from their medical school?'

Doctor

40 posted on 05/20/2012 5:57:50 AM PDT by JPG (Don't just talk about it, make it happen.)
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To: berdie
I can’t recall evidence being released in other cases prior to a trial.

Well... it used to be that you were legally 'not guilty' until proven 'guilty'. Seems the 'practice' of our Justice System is now based on 'selective' rather than 'equal' rights.

41 posted on 05/20/2012 6:14:58 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: G Larry; M1911A1; 2ndDivisionVet
a jury of folks so out of touch with the world, ...

According to Post 19, that would be the folks at DU.

42 posted on 05/20/2012 6:20:09 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The jury was never intended to be ignorant. It was merely supposed to be unbiased. If you can leave any biases you have at the door, and make a judgement based on the facts and the law, you should be able to serve.


43 posted on 05/20/2012 7:46:31 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Seriously? He graduated from a law school?”

No kidding. I saw that guy interviewed. Man o man law school admission standards have really slipped. This guy is no Johnny Cochran. LOL!


44 posted on 05/20/2012 7:50:36 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks for the info.


45 posted on 05/20/2012 10:00:28 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Zakeet

Look at the size of that guy.


46 posted on 05/20/2012 10:23:39 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I just wish a Florida judge would do the right thing and toss the case because it lacks merit. I doubt any judge has that much courage.


47 posted on 05/20/2012 12:58:30 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Anytime you see the word 'expert' in the msm, think ' media whore'. Thus, the headline would read...

New Zimmerman, Martin Images Could Make Finding a Jury Difficult: Media Whore

48 posted on 05/20/2012 3:50:32 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
“If it weren’t for all this evidence, getting a conviction would be easy!”

LOL!!

49 posted on 05/20/2012 9:35:34 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

He, Crump, is even further down in the ranks of attorneys than Algonquin J. Calhoun!
A. J. was the best!


50 posted on 05/20/2012 9:55:06 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO, same for RINOs)
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