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Argentina: Black Market Grows With Currency
ABC News ^ | May 19, 2012 (AP) | By DEBORA REY

Posted on 05/20/2012 12:35:26 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin

Along a busy street in the Argentine capital, the man in the brown suit doesn't need to speak above a whisper to sell his goods: "Money change. Money change." Those who want to swap pesos for dollars follow him through a run-down mall to a lingerie store. There, amid bras and pantyhose, he closes deals for greenbacks.

Argentines have increasingly turned to such black market money changers since President Cristina Fernandez sharply restricted purchases of dollars in banks and exchange houses to try to keep hard currency from pouring out of the country.

Argentina has been kept from global capital markets since defaulting on its debt during a financial crisis a decade ago, so Fernandez's government wants to keep dollars in the country to replenish central bank reserves and pay government debts. Argentines, meanwhile, are haunted by nightmares of the crisis, when banks froze deposits and the currency lost value. So they are eager for dollars to stash in vaults or under their mattress. Others send them abroad for safekeeping.

Many economists say the new black market spawned by currency controls could choke back Argentina's economic growth and create even more inflation: Controls make it harder for people to do business and undermine confidence in the peso, causing it to devalue even more quickly. That can create the threat of shortages when people are unwilling to sell goods for a currency they do not trust. The curbs could also encourage Argentines to withdraw dollars from banks.

Under the controls imposed shortly after Fernandez won re-election in October, the country's tax agency, known as the AFIP, must approve all purchases of dollars. The formal exchange rate was 4.47 pesos per dollar on Friday, a slide of about 8.6 percent from where the peso was a year ago.

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1 posted on 05/20/2012 12:35:33 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Per a comment on zero hedge , Argentina has money sniffing dogs at border crossings.. USD cash is exiting for Uruguay.


2 posted on 05/20/2012 12:48:56 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: DeaconBenjamin

I tried to buy 500 ordinary One-dollar us coins friday at my credit union. You cannot. They say they do not stock them. They could sell me one $25 roll of wrapped coins for collecting though. Anyone else find this happening? (I want $1.00 coins in case ATMs fail us.


3 posted on 05/20/2012 12:49:34 PM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama's favorite tactic is scapegoating successful Americans.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

The “experts” who believe that Greece can have a somewhat orderly transition to the Drachma after exiting the EU should read this.

The black market will *explode.*


4 posted on 05/20/2012 12:53:35 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Rapscallion

You probably couldn’t get $2 bills either. The just aren’t worth the trouble stocking in large amounts if no one wants them. Did you try to order some for delivery later?


5 posted on 05/20/2012 12:55:18 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
They should just adopt the US dollar as their official currency.
6 posted on 05/20/2012 12:56:01 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: DeaconBenjamin

For some reason, socialists have “pattern agnosia”, lack of pattern recognition, in which they are unable to recognize that their means to ends do not result in those ends, no matter how hard or repetitively they try.

Some of them do recognize that the ends they want have not been achieved, so they blame either a lack of resources, or sabotage, or both, for not achieving those ends. They will not even consider that the means or the process is at fault, or that they inherently cannot achieve the desired ends through those means.

Others will insist that the desired ends have been achieved, despite all evidence to the contrary, to the point of sounding delusional.

The end result is that they are on a continual loop of failure, consuming as many resources as they can in the process, while demanding more, and when they fail, yet again, they ignore the failure and demand to start over in exactly the same way.


7 posted on 05/20/2012 12:57:28 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Don't Cry For Me , Argentina

Ask not for whom the bell tolls. It'll soon toll for us.

8 posted on 05/20/2012 12:59:05 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: DeaconBenjamin

My uncle nearly got caught smuggling diamonds out of some South American country (maybe Brazil) for payment on some industrial equipment when their government refused to allow payment in dollars back in the seventies.


9 posted on 05/20/2012 12:59:38 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: Rapscallion
try a regular bank...
10 posted on 05/20/2012 1:09:53 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Very good post.

Yes, you would think after Cuba, Detroit, North Korea, California, Greece, Chicago, Argentina, the Soviet Union etc., they would start to get it.

11 posted on 05/20/2012 1:27:25 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

What about precious metals purchasing and smuggling in Argentina or similar places? I have always thought that someone would melt down Pt, Ag or Au (painted) and fashion it into a metal auto part or panel that would be relatively easy to conceal.


12 posted on 05/20/2012 1:31:52 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: Rapscallion
The US Mint charges a premium.

500-BOX CHESTER ARTHUR ROLL - P
2012 Chester Arthur Presidential $1 Coin 500-Coin Box, Philadelphia (BL1)
Price: $550.95
Product will be available for shipping 06/15/2012

13 posted on 05/20/2012 1:33:04 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: Uncle Slayton

They should just adopt the US dollar as their official currency.

Argentinian government wants to retain the power to print their own currency so that they can fund their bureaucracy and crony capital enterprises with an inflated currency. Inflation robs savers and profitable enterprises, and that’s just the way the statists want it.


14 posted on 05/20/2012 1:37:35 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: Uncle Slayton
Argentina effectively did that when they pegged their previous currency,the Austral,to the dollar at a 1:1 exchange rate.

The Argentine economy could not match the productivity gains of the US economy. Argentine exporters found in increasingly difficult to sell in international markets. In other words it failed.

As the Europeans are finding out you have to not only match economic policy but all policies that affect economic performance for a single currency to work.

Obama is turning us more into a banana republic everyday and if the rest of South America can match and improve on the performance of Chile and Brazil we might meet in the middle some day.

15 posted on 05/20/2012 1:44:36 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
“The end result is that they are on a continual loop of failure, consuming as many resources as they can in the process, while demanding more, and when they fail, yet again, they ignore the failure and demand to start over in exactly the same way.”
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I believe it is called Insanity, and Socialist, Progressives, and liberals are all afflicted with the disorder to one degree or another.

16 posted on 05/20/2012 1:53:04 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Kartographer

ping


17 posted on 05/20/2012 2:19:08 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Cognitive Dissonance. They are so wrapped up in, and emotionally committed to, their ideology that they can’t even process, let alone accept, the reality of its failure.


18 posted on 05/20/2012 2:29:10 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
It is all centered around their inferiority complex. Every leftist has one. That is guaranteed. To compensate they must never ever make a mistake. After all, that would prove that maybe they really are inferior. The rest of us realize that failures are normal growth pathways to achieving maturity.
19 posted on 05/20/2012 3:02:58 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: grumpygresh

Like Goldfinger?


20 posted on 05/20/2012 3:07:55 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Argentina has been touted as a socialist success story ... by socialists of course. Argentina is going down the socialist toilet just like Europe.


21 posted on 05/20/2012 3:27:41 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

See our future. Bipartisan favored constituents receive money from their debt regime, have indirect regulatory control over their neighbors and continue to steal all that they can from them through regulations, false accusations and other politically correct tactics. That should heat things up nicely for the collapse.

Most politicos aren’t the producers that they claim to be. They’re socialists, from government employees, to contractors, to services, riding a debt wave while being watched closely by the currently silent, private sector masses. That’s why they fantasize so much about killing “zombies” (those who would really produce, were it not for the regulations and other thefts of the NIMBYs).

Me? I’ll keep working, building and being poor (but healthy, hopefully, and certainly happy) in the middle of nowhere, having already had enough excitement for a lifetime. Peace and quiet.


22 posted on 05/20/2012 3:33:29 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Uncle Slayton
They should just adopt the US dollar as their official currency.

I wish that were true, but they'd be no better off if they don't fix their fiscal and regulatory mess. Argentina found that out about a decade ago.

Until gold is accepted as the universal standard, countries will have to go it on their own with their fake, fiat currencies.

23 posted on 05/20/2012 3:53:13 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Rapscallion

Why coins instead of bills?

They are mostly copper, maybe about 10 cents worth and nobody wants them.


24 posted on 05/20/2012 4:01:38 PM PDT by Kenny500c
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To: Kenny500c

When currency is devalued “old peso’s” for “NEW Peso’s” (for example) the paper money is typically recalled and exchanged but the coinage , because there is actual expense to creating it (far more than paper) and because there is typically so little of it in circulation it is usually left in circulation.


25 posted on 05/20/2012 4:14:10 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: grumpygresh

Maybe more people need to watch Goldfinger and learn about his Rolls Royce.


26 posted on 05/20/2012 4:25:46 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

It’s the economy - everywhere? Does it ever dawn on the reporters that it is socialism that is causing all this trauma?


27 posted on 05/20/2012 4:50:52 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Argentina is on th edge of being totally Orwellian/Ayn Randian


28 posted on 05/20/2012 4:53:29 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Excellent post and spot on. I wish I’d read it before I posted. You said it better.


29 posted on 05/20/2012 4:54:24 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
For some reason, socialists have “pattern agnosia”, lack of pattern recognition, in which they are unable to recognize that their means to ends do not result in those ends, no matter how hard or repetitively they try.

Sort of like the G8 summit pledging more spending to spur their economies?

30 posted on 05/20/2012 4:55:20 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Reaganez

Over a century ago Argentina was competitive with the US. This is the war over what is seen and what is unseen. Sadly, the consequences of policy choices which lead to the current US domination of 25% of the world’s economy v. Argentina’s fiscal mess are “unseen” by the liberal monsters who wish to eat our society to death.


31 posted on 05/20/2012 4:57:22 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Others will insist that the desired ends have been achieved, despite all evidence to the contrary, to the point of sounding delusional.

Yep. AKA cognitive dissonance.

Good post. It's going onto a gimmick t-shirt tomorrow.

32 posted on 05/20/2012 4:57:56 PM PDT by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: 1010RD

It would never occur to these reporters that it is caused by socialist policies because they don’t think that could be possible. “JournOlisters” are true believers.


33 posted on 05/20/2012 4:59:56 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

“Argentina has been touted as a socialist success story ... by socialists of course. Argentina is going down the socialist toilet just like Europe.”

Actually, Argentina is farther along that road than Europe. If the Europeans want to see their future, they only need to look at Argentina. Sad-the days when “as rich as an Argentinean” and the “peso de oro” are well and truly gone.


34 posted on 05/20/2012 5:17:12 PM PDT by tanuki (Left-wing Revolution: show biz for boring people.)
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To: no-s; yefragetuwrabrumuy

For example, May 2011, keep in mind the Unemployment Number is down because there are less available jobs;

Goolsbee isn’t the only one saying more than 2 million private sector jobs added in the last 14 months;

May. 6, 2011
http://www.indystar.com/article/20110506/NEWS/110506010/Obama-want-energy-breakthroughs-Indiana?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|IndyStar.com
“That means over the last 14 months,” Obama said, “we’ve added more than 2 million jobs in the private sector.”

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/business/news/article_1637565.php/Hiring-picks-up-but-US-jobless-rate-up-to-9-per-cent
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney pointed out to reporters that April was the 14th consecutive month of growth in private sector employment, for a total of 2.1 million jobs


35 posted on 05/20/2012 5:36:21 PM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: GeronL

Reminded of Democrat EconOmist...Christina Romer, Paul Krugman, Jared Bernstein, Tim Geithner, Larry Summers, Dr. Mark Zandi, Dr. Alan Blinder, Bob Kuttner, Heather Boushey, Bill Hambrecht, Allen Sinai...


36 posted on 05/20/2012 5:39:53 PM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: Son House

bump

libs are libs


37 posted on 05/20/2012 5:42:19 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: BfloGuy; Uncle Slayton

Ecuador still uses the US dollar; no mas Sucres(?).


38 posted on 05/20/2012 5:44:24 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Neidermeyer

One of those countries (it may have been Uruguay) changed their coins as well; the new ones had a dollar sign with “N” in front of it.


39 posted on 05/20/2012 5:47:10 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Rapscallion

“I tried to buy 500 ordinary One-dollar us coins friday at my credit union.”

Just drop by your local gun store and buy a box of 50 9MM a week. They’ll be wroth more in the long run. :)


40 posted on 05/20/2012 6:28:57 PM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: DeaconBenjamin
At this time last year, you could by $250 worth of dollar coins online for $250. They covered credit card fees, shipping and everything.

Supposedly, too many people were buying the coins to earn credit card points and immediately turning them into the banks rather than circulating them.

Personally, I think that is a crock. They could have easily controlled this by numbering the rolls and blocking your future card transactions if they showed up at banks within 60 days or whatever, or limiting sales to $250 per month or whatever.

But they wanted a kabuki show about how they were saving taxpayer money by discontinuing what they called the circulating dollar coin program.

I believe the Chester Arthur coin is the first minted after the announcement the program was discontinued. So it actually might be minted in small enough numbers to have some collector's value in the future.

41 posted on 05/20/2012 6:56:41 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Son House

Democrat EconoMissed! Since all their predictions ‘missed’!


42 posted on 05/20/2012 6:59:02 PM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: Rapscallion
They stopped trying to get the dollar coin into circulation, and are now stockpiling billions of them somewhere. There may be some coin dealer willing to offload a bunch at close to face value, as they have little or no collector value.
43 posted on 05/20/2012 7:30:06 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Rapscallion

I don’t understand what you’re saying. YOu tried to get Anthony dollars?


44 posted on 05/20/2012 10:56:59 PM PDT by nikos1121
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To: DeaconBenjamin

One more reason for the Argie government to try to take back the Falklands and get at their oil reserves. They need the money and the b*tch they have for a President is obviously not at all beyond trying to steal it.


45 posted on 05/21/2012 8:57:02 AM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: kearnyirish2
Ecuador still uses the US dollar; no mas Sucres(?).

They do so at their peril. Traditionally, countries with a history of currency debasement would peg to the dollar. But, as Argentina learned the hard way, when the dollar soared in the late nineties due to Greenspan's inflation-caused stock bubble, Argentinian raw materials became uncompetitive and the economy tanked.

At the moment, Ecuador (which also depends on exports of raw materials) is probably doing alright because a dropping dollar is making its products attractive. But a Republican presidential victory coupled with a Euro collapse could drive the dollar high enough to make them regret their decision.

These small countries should forget the politically-driven American dollar and go on a gold standard.

46 posted on 05/21/2012 3:16:29 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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