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Conservatives are lining up for Ted Cruz in Texas-Tea Party election we have to win!(Palin/TPX)
Tea Party Express ^ | 5-20-2012 | Amy Kremer

Posted on 05/20/2012 6:26:33 PM PDT by Syncro

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To: Syncro
Just because I could, I made this pic for you:
151 posted on 05/22/2012 9:05:27 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold Rs to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: ngat; fieldmarshaldj; Windflier; Dr. Sivana; RitaOK; Mountain Mary; Tennessee Nana; Tax-chick
Actually, I hope people read what I post too, and what you post. Conservatism is a far richer tapestry than money-grubbing and government advantage seeking, and buying primaries (whether Romney or Dewhurst). This year I have watched two candidates OTHER than Dewhurst display absolutely NO conservative principles, NO conservative street credibility and nothing but GOP-E suck up backed by mountains of money. The first, of course, is Romney, who carpet-bombed the airwaves with lies, slanders, libels against whomever was the leading conservative and actual Republican opponent of the week. He did this while absolutely refusing to put forth ANY comprehensible policy for how Plastic Man would improve the nation as GOP nominee or victor, just lies about his opponents, endlessly repeated, hour after hour.

The second was my soon to be new Congressman (IL-16), Adam Kinzinger, who was elected by Tea Party enthusiasts in 2010 and promptly showed up in DC with his leadership kneepads, asking what he could do to sell out his constituents. The Demonrats were angry over Kinzinger taking out their Debbie Halvorsen in 2010 that they laid waste to his competitive district and turned it into a Chicagoland Demonrat district again.

Kinzinger got Eric Cantor and the "Young Guns PAC" (the same "young guns" who were pumping gobs of money into 80 year-old "young gun" Senator Richard Lugar's vain attempt at renomination) to pull about $600K of largely Texas construction contractor money into a primary against my Congressman Don Manzullo and to use Romney's despicable tactics. After all, why should Kinzinger be a whore if he doesn't get paid like one by the DC "GOP" Congressional Madames? Manzullo gave this district and the USA 20 years of excellent and quite conservative representation. He and we got surprised by the sudden vehemence of $600,000 worth of media lies by the usual elitist suspects. Manzullo's crime (to Cantor, Boehner, McCarthy) was an open letter to Boehner asking for a House resolution to cut off any attempts to further increase Obozo's election year allowance by raising the debt "ceiling" yet again. Kinzinger should make no long-term plans to reside in DC.

Well, we certainly cannot cut off Obozo's allowance since that might hurt the armies of special interest slime seeking to farm the taxpayers' great-grandchildren while kicking back about 3 cents on the dollar taken by graft. If being pissed off at the abuse of money by unprincipled whores posing as "Republicans" in this election year makes me a "Progressive" so be it. In that event, you would not know "Progressive" if it jumped up and bit you.

I am unquestionably bitter about the outright PURCHASE of the election process and of nominations by rich absolutely corrupt unprincipled political whores who feel somehow entitled to make the purchases of our public offices. They belong in prison not in office. I'd say a chain gang and not a country club. Twenty years of callous building.

Real conservatives do not fear the electorate voting for their Senators. Let your elitist stooge Dewhurst make THAT a campaign issue (taking the Senate vote away from the people) ASAP if its such a bright idea and it will be all over but his political wake. The general thrust of your nonsense is that our nation should be run by those who OWN it without interference from the peasants. Sorry, God loves the peasants and that's why He makes so many more of them than he makes zillionaires, spoiled and corrupt or otherwise.

Since you question my conservatism, I have served as a Libertarian Party State Officer before growing up in response to their cheerleading abortion, a Republican Town Chairman of a town of 50,000, a GOP Congressional nominee, state chairman of Young Americans for Freedom, Young Republicans, College Republicans, a pro bono attorney for NRA members and 1100 arrested pro-lifers (about 10 of whom were convicted at trial and another 2 or 3 by plea to save the trouble of going to court), a State Chairman for Reagan when Reagan bucked Gerald Brainless Ford, another useless GOP-E stooge. BTW, Ford was so poor he could not afford his birth name of Leslie King but he was a GOP-Establishment anus nonetheless. More available on request. AND, I never tried to take the franchise away from the voters. How about you, smart guy, what are your credentials, if any exist other than pimping Dewhurst the RINO which is hardly a conservative credential???

"Long polemics???" I have plenty worthwhile to write about which is more than you can say from the record so far. And don't flatter your pathetic political love objects by imagining that I envy them. What I have I have earned the old fashioned way---honestly not by buying political influence to rape, loot and pillage the modest taxpayers.

Your buddies have been practicing what we have every right to call "class warfare" for at least 40 years to the great detriment of American folks of ordinary means in this country. They have sent the jobs of ordinary folks to Third World hellholes to employ children at slave "wages" with no perks, cutting the economic throats of American working folks and they have broken up the businesses employing those Americans to sell off the means of production to show there is no going back. This is a joint venture of the Demonratic Left moneybags and the "GOP" elitist moneybags. They have farmed the modest folks to avoid taxes on elite income streams. They have built up a national debt with wild abandon while buying tax deals. They, of course, expect the wars to be fought at modest wages by the modest folks and not by Percival Pecksniff XXIII who cannot very well be actually expected to get HIS hands dirty fighting, well, wars as though he were a mere commoner. Then, if there are any complaints by the modest folks over the destruction of their country and their way of life, THAT is termed by the hypocritical moneyed sleazebags as "CLASS WARFARE."

There has previously been a sort of social contract in which the modest folks fight the wars, buy the products necessary to daily life, have stable jobs and rising incomes in good behavior, providing better lives to their kids than they enjoyed. The big shots upstairs had an obligation to fair dealing with their employees and to treat them reasonably. Get a copy of Leo XIII's Encyclical Rerum Novarum about 50 pages that explain how the world might ideally work. Also check out Pius XI's Quadrigesimo Anno (on the 25th anniversary of Rerum Novarum), John Paul II's Centissimo Anno (on the 100th anniversary of Rerum Novarum). You may recall that all three of those authors were heroic resisters of Marxism and thereby, allied to American thought. Each was a more profound conservative than you will ever imagine yourself to be. Try and win elections without the Catholic vote for conservatives. Reagan got them easily The elitist dimwits? Not so much.

How many Dewhurst enthusiasts here on FR??? 2? 3? Maybe 5? Hope he does no better on primary day. I don't see any groundswells for depriving people of their RIGHT to vote in US Senate elections, do you? Just try it and see what happens.

BTW, your state of Texas once had a Democrat who spent virtually no money on a primary with Lyndon Johnson and it was claimed that he lost to Landslide Lyndon in 1948, but sensible people are skeptical. His name was Coke Stevenson, former Speaker of the Texas House and former governor. Robert Caro, in his multi-volume biography of Lyndon Johnson (I believe it was in the volume titled Means of Ascent) did a superb job of describing the campaign of the noble Coke Stevenson. If Texas can do no better than elitist trash like Cornyn, Dewhurst and Hutchison, how sad for Texas!

Ted Cruz for US Senate. If he wins, Texas and America win. If he loses, so do Texas and America.

I do plenty of posting here on FR and what I have posted to you against your pathetic candidate will come as no surprise to any regular here. Contrary to leftist propaganda, being conservative does not automatically mean having one's lips on autosmooch for the naked butts of the rich and airheaded. That's just the image that the quite rich and greedy Nancy Pelosi, and Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer and Richard Comrade Blumenthal and John the Yacht Tax Dodger Kerry and the general run of leftwing Demonrat zillionaires like to push. You apparently want to live up to their fantasies of who conservatives are.

There is a you and there is an I but it is quite unlikely that you and I will EVER be a we.

Oh, and finally, in these United States of America, it is the people who will check the central government as necessary not the idiot green-eye shade and sleeve garter crowd in the bank vault on Main Street or or Wall Street for that matter.

152 posted on 05/22/2012 9:59:37 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey)
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To: ngat

You are a slanderous little troll who couldn’t hope to match either the accomplishments or character of BlackElk if you lived to be 1,000. I suggest you either apologize or self-zot your account, you disgraceful little man and odious establishment toady.


153 posted on 05/22/2012 10:15:08 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: BlackElk

Posting back and forth like this becomes a process of getting to know how the conservative tapestry is woven, and I’m finding it appears to have quite a variety of shapes and pictures on it.

I will not be able to answer your posts with the detail really needed to counter your fifteen-paragraph posts, simply because I have to go to work soon, but I do still have interest in your perspective and will give you mine, although with conciseness.

You are familiar with the political scene in your locality, and I’m familiar with mine, and I can tell you it is a fact Cruz is “carpet-bombing” Dewhurst with negative and misleading ads and has more big-money interests from out of state backing him than Dewhurst.

I spend time countering the illusions of tea-party enthusiasts backing Cruz instead of a real conservative, Dewhurst, to try to prevent exactly what you complain about happened with your own Manzullo/Kinzinger situation. I get exactly nothing out of it, except the abuse from people who have their minds already made up based on their feelings about people who are successful.

I won’t spend much time on the seventeenth amendment and the deleterious effect it has had on this nation and its people, because there is plenty of conservative writing by those that opposed the amendment and made correct predictions of what would happen if it passed. Conservatives who have observed the damage that was wrought since its passage had written plenty on the subject. Progressives, such as your esteemed William Jennings Bryan, in the never-ending quest for stronger and stronger central government so they can impose their social and economic schemes on the people, were plain that was what they were after. I just find it interesting your obvious fondness for a central government strong enough to overpower the only organizations that could possibly ever check the power of the federal government, namely state governments. and you do not seem at all concerned that the the states continue to be weakened by every possible strategm devised by the progressives, yet you still think of yourself as a conservative.

I most certainly do recognize a Progressive when I see one.

Why you would think anyone thinks there is a political possibility of reversing the seventeeth amendment, I do not know. There is more of a chance of abolition of the electoral college and presidents being selected by popular vote, which if you are consistent in your thinking you must support. As your posts aptly illustrate, the historical trend in thic country is obviously away from representative government and toward mob rule.

Wish I had time to address more of the issues you raised, but I need to go now and produce some more of those evil products that people willingly purchase from me to eat and stay warm when it is too cold and cool when it is too warm.

Perhaps this work also will enable me to pay my taxes so that the government lawyers and the rest of the talking profession can live well and tell us peasants how we should live. Then, if I ever get real successsful at my business, I’ll accumulate enough money to join the GOP-e and tell the Lawyers what they can do!


154 posted on 05/23/2012 7:57:08 AM PDT by ngat
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To: ngat; fieldmarshaldj; Windflier; Dr. Sivana; RitaOK; Mountain Mary; Tennessee Nana; Tax-chick

I saw BlackElk pinged you all with this discussion of the controversy on who is the conservative in a certain Texas Senate race, which morphed into a discussion about the desirablity and effects of the election of Senators by popular vote instead of by the States’ elected legislatures.

Posting back and forth like this with BlackElk becomes a process of getting to know how the conservative tapestry is woven, and I’m finding it appears to have quite a variety of shapes and pictures on it.

I will not be able to answer BlackElks posts with the detail really needed to counter his fifteen-paragraph posts, simply because I have to go to work soon, but I do still have interest in his perspective and will give mine, although with conciseness. Here is all I had time to post back to BlackElk.

“You are familiar with the political scene in your locality, and I’m familiar with mine, and I can tell you it is a fact Cruz is “carpet-bombing” Dewhurst with negative and misleading ads and has more big-money interests from out of state backing him than Dewhurst.

I spend time countering the illusions of tea-party enthusiasts who are backing Cruz instead of backing a real conservative, Dewhurst, to try to prevent exactly what you complain about happened with your own Manzullo/Kinzinger situation. I get exactly nothing out of it, except the abuse from people who have their minds already made up based on their feelings about people who are successful.

I won’t spend much time on the seventeenth amendment and the deleterious effect it has had on this nation and its people, because there is plenty of conservative writing by those that opposed the amendment and made correct predictions of what would happen if it passed. Conservatives who have observed the damage that was wrought since its passage had written plenty on the subject. Progressives, such as your esteemed William Jennings Bryan, in the never-ending quest for stronger and stronger central government so they can impose their social and economic schemes on the people, were plain that was what they were after. I just find it interesting your obvious fondness for a central government strong enough to overpower the only organizations that could possibly ever check the power of the federal government, namely state governments. and you do not seem at all concerned that the the states continue to be weakened by every possible strategm devised by the progressives, yet you still think of yourself as a conservative.

I most certainly do recognize a Progressive when I see one.

Why you would think anyone thinks there is a political possibility of reversing the seventeeth amendment, I do not know. There is more of a chance of abolition of the electoral college and presidents being selected by popular vote, which if you are consistent in your thinking you must support. As your posts aptly illustrate, the historical trend in thic country is obviously away from representative government and toward mob rule.

Wish I had time to address more of the issues you raised, but I need to go now and produce some more of those evil products that people willingly purchase from me to eat and stay warm when it is too cold and cool when it is too warm.

Perhaps this work also will enable me to pay my taxes so that the government lawyers and the rest of the talking profession can live well and tell us peasants how we should live. Then, if I ever get real successsful at my business, I’ll accumulate enough money to join the GOP-e and tell the Lawyers what they can do!”


155 posted on 05/23/2012 8:08:18 AM PDT by ngat
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To: BlackElk; ngat
See the above post, BlackElk

The gnat pinged his posse to badmouth you with out pinging you.

As a courtesy, here's a ping FYI

156 posted on 05/23/2012 8:18:44 AM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: BlackElk; ngat

“You are familiar with the political scene in your locality, and I’m familiar with mine, and I can tell you it is a fact Cruz is “carpet-bombing” Dewhurst with negative and misleading ads and has more big-money interests from out of state backing him than Dewhurst.”

I have heard nothing but good things about Cruz..and he is endorsed by both Sarah Palin and Mark Levin.
If I were in Texas, this conservative Tea Partier would vote for him for sure.


157 posted on 05/23/2012 9:32:11 AM PDT by Mountain Mary (One Nation Under God..."There I said it" ... Great One...)
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To: Mountain Mary

Glad to hear you are a follower of Sarah Palin and Mark Levin. Always do what those two tell you to do.


158 posted on 05/23/2012 9:35:01 AM PDT by ngat
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To: ngat

I asked you to stop FR mailing me, so stop.

Anything you wish to say to me, do it here on the open forum.

Your immature digs and personal attacks would be better shown for all to see, as they were up thread.


159 posted on 05/23/2012 11:42:48 AM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: ngat

You’ve posted over 20 times on this thread. While most of your responses have been defense (responding to early points and questions), what I have not seen is a positive, detailed presentation for Dewhurst.

I know that you maintain that he is a “true conservative” (which means different things to different people, even Freepers), and that he is not a lawyer, and that he is politically experienced and that he only went negative after he was attacked first.

Are there any specific actions (bill sponsorships, creative proposals, organizational feats) that make him an exceptional candidate?

This is your chance to promote Dewhurst, and pretend the other two aren’t there. What distinguishes him from the generic Republican?


160 posted on 05/23/2012 12:09:03 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: ngat

I make up my own mind but I value both of their opinions.

Don’t agree with Levin about Romney. He doesn’t like him either but has said he will support and work hard to help him win.


161 posted on 05/23/2012 1:29:13 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (One Nation Under God..."There I said it" ... Great One...)
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To: Syncro

Thanks for the post, Syncro.
GO TED CRUZ! Texas Freepers, start your engines.


162 posted on 05/23/2012 1:33:39 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (One Nation Under God..."There I said it" ... Great One...)
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To: Syncro

Stop implying that I FReepmailed you once for any reason other than to privately correct your ridiculous and wrong implication that I pinged “my Posse” with my post to BlackElk.

But you can stop your worrying, I won’t be wasting my time posting or communicating with you at at all on the forum in any way henceforth.

and as you don’t know what you are doing, try to stop trying to play posting police.


163 posted on 05/23/2012 2:48:17 PM PDT by ngat
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To: Dr. Sivana

Well, if you are really interested, it would be helpful for you to be familiar with the responsibilities and structure of the office of Lt. Governor in Texas, which is kind of unique among the several states. Dewhurst’s accomplishments and successfully fulfilling the requirements of this office during his time as a citizen legislator/executive officer goes right to the reason he is so well-prepared to go represent Texas in the United States Senate right now. Here’s a link to give you background on the Office of Lt. Governor for the State of Texas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant_Governor_of_Texas

How does this differ from the office of Lt. Gov. in your own state, if it does?

You ask the following:

“Are there any specific actions (bill sponsorships, creative proposals, organizational feats) that make him an exceptional candidate? This is your chance to promote Dewhurst”

Ask and ye shall receive:

“The Conservative Case For Electing
Dewhurst To The U.S. Senate

There’s a major reason why Texas conservatives are coalescing behind Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst in the open U.S. Senate race. While virtually all candidates in the extended field agree we need a dramatic housecleaning in Washington, Dewhurst is the sole contender who has proven he can deliver on what he promises.

Dewhurst has compiled an impressive record of budget-cutting and trimming government, starting in his first political office with a major reduction in force at the General Land Office. He continued to hold the line during his five legislative sessions as Lieutenant Governor. Even during periodic rough economic times, the Texas Legislature has eliminated expected shortfalls and balanced the state budget entirely by cutting spending, never once resorting to a general tax increase. That’s a record unmatched anywhere in the country.

Working with Gov. Perry and the Republican majority, Dewhurst has also pushed through legislation protecting vulnerable human life, trimming excesses of personal injury trial lawyers, maintaining a job-friendly regulatory and tax climate, safeguarding the integrity of elections and reducing taxes when possible - all while strengthening our border security. He has helped create a favorable business climate that has attracted businesses and created jobs, and made Texas the envy of other states. When Dewhurst vows to take this Texas model to Washington, he does so with credibility and personal experience.

Dewhurst has managed to accomplish all this in the Texas Senate, where the minority party still has the numbers to stop any legislation dead in its tracks. But Dewhurst has a businessman’s ability to work to a successful deal without sacrificing his principles. As Ronald Reagan advocated, he takes 90 percent and tries to get the remaining 10 percent next time. He’s been equally effective in enacting conservative social policy as well. As one prominent pro-life leader has said: “Until Lt. Gov. Dewhurst was elected, the state senate was where our legislation came to die. He has been a game-changer for the pro-family movement.”

Even as Lt. Governor, Dewhurst has never been part of the inside Austin establishment. He was strongly opposed by the lobby when he first ran for Lt. Governor. Since his election, he’s been a quiet and persistent advocate for transparency and reform, and an enemy of business as usual. He’s developed a well-deserved reputation for intelligence, integrity and independence. He doesn’t read a teleprompter well, but he’s serious about public policy. Dewhurst is never afraid to dive into issues and come up with solutions that embrace free market principles, as he’s done with state health care and other issues. And he’s as persistent as he is serious. He will make a principled and determined U.S. Senator.

Several Senate candidates have unusual personal histories, but Dewhurst’s life story is particularly compelling. His father, a WWII hero, was killed in an auto accident when David was only three. He worked his way through school, overcame a stuttering problem, became a U.S. Air Force officer, and later served abroad in the CIA. When he came back to Houston, Dewhurst started a business, suffered some reversals, dusted himself off and started anew.

Dewhurst was ultimately successful in the energy co-generation industry. He has since given back to our communities in a major way. His contributions over the years to conservative causes, and to those in need, have been made quietly, and they’re inspiring. He is a man of compassion and generosity... and steely resolve.

Starting relatively late in life, Dewhurst became active in political life - even while continuing to run his investment firm. He knows from personal experience that our national wealth expands, and our people become prosperous, only when the private sector takes risks and creates jobs. More importantly, he knows how the heavy hand of government can undermine the hopes and dreams of entrepreneurs and small businessmen. Congress needs more businessmen, more men and women who have created jobs and who can address our troubled economy with personal experience and conviction.

The U.S. Senate race has produced a number of solid candidates and future political talent. Virtually all of them talk the talk about cleaning up the mess in Washington - repealing Obamacare, reducing spending, creating a good business environment. But only one has truly walked the walk, and proven that he can deliver. Dewhurst has a solid track record of accomplishment reining in government on the state level, balancing budgets, protecting the core American family, defending our sovereignty, and safeguarding the American dream for future generations.”

Texas Conservative Review believes David Dewhurst will represent Texas with distinction in the U.S. Senate.


164 posted on 05/23/2012 3:19:33 PM PDT by ngat
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To: ngat
Well, you did the FR mail with your usual childish dig.

Sorry if you don't like it if I mentioned that I asked you to stop FR mailing me, and then you did it again.

Thus my telling you on the forum to stop.

Your word is no good, you already said you were through posting to me.

There you go with another attack on me in the post I am responding to.

I also know what you are doing ngat.

Oh and the posting police accusation?

I have done nothing of the sort. Post all you want, just be prepared to be challenged on your spin towards a Conservative candidate for Senate.

165 posted on 05/23/2012 3:20:42 PM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: Mountain Mary
You are welcome Mountain Mary!

I see you got a PDS post...

: > )

166 posted on 05/23/2012 3:31:36 PM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: Syncro

PDS?


167 posted on 05/23/2012 3:42:39 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (One Nation Under God..."There I said it" ... Great One...)
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To: Mountain Mary
It stands for Palin Derangement Syndrome.

It shows itself when anyone expresses respect towards Palin and her political views or endorsements.

In the PDSers minds, if you do that you are a blind worshiper and follower of Palin and make no decisions on your own.

And they post childish comments which only goes to show that they are incapable of reasoned debate.

You handled it well Mary!

In the case of Levin and Palin backing Cruz, to me it shows that they have done their homework and came to the same conclusions that I have.

It's a plus, but PDSers have to try to marginalize people like Palin and Levin, and of course those of us that do our own vetting. Yet we naturally express pleasure that prominent well respected Conservatives see the importance of what we already knew.

Whew, long post, Sorry!

168 posted on 05/23/2012 4:14:52 PM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: Dr. Sivana; ngat; fieldmarshaldj; Mountain Mary; Tennessee Nana; Windflier; RitaOK; Tax-chick; ...
Dr. Sivana:

Thanks. That saves me the trouble of pointing out at length the similarity of Dewhurst and Romney's failures to lay out a specific conservative platform or a track record for conservatism. What we see from Dewhurst supporters is the same sorts of attacks on a conservative opponent that was Romney's stock in trade until he folded like a cheap suit or an ultimate RINO politico and went all politically pacifist lest he offend Obozo or the privileged girls down at Muffy's Junior League Club.

If Dewhurst has actually personally accomplished anything genuinely worthwhile as to public policy or credibly displayed genuinely conservative beliefs, principles and commitment beyond comforting his fellow comfortables (understanding that Texas is a far easier venue for conservative action than, say, the knee-jerk leftist Upper East Side of Manhattan), you would think that any actually conservative supporters Dewhurst may have would be genuinely eager to make a positive policy case for him here. The absence of such an argument speaks volumes.

Mountain Mary:

Not only is Cruz supported by Sarah Palin and Mark Levin but Levin says that he has known Cruz for a long time. I think the world of Sarah Palin. I also tend to think very highly of Mark Levin not only because he is a brilliant and principled talk show host but also, like me, Mark was active in Young Americans for Freedom during the days of the New Right Resistance to Nixon and Ford and McGovern and Carter leading up to Reagan's presidency which YAF supported absolutely. Conservative veterans of the sixteen year all-out effort to blow past the political establishment of BOTH parties and the antics of Obozo's pals' New Left to elect Ronaldus Maximus will always have high regard for one another.

Sarah Palin is starting at a younger age than did Reagan. She has many of his qualities AND has no hesitancy in endorsing the anti-establishment revolutionary candidates in the GOP, riding as a passenger on a Harley into the pro-veteran Rolling Thunder event and embracing the attendees as her brothers and sisters, going into venues where the stodgy bean counters and trust fund babies dare not venture, purging corrupt plutocrats on the Alaska Oil and Gas Commission and doing it all with looks, charm, brains, brilliance of personality, good humor and blue collar appeal as Mama Grizzly, as Todd's wife, as a mother of five, and as a threat to turn moose into mooseburgers everywhere where moose are available. She is a practicing patriot, a practicing pro-lifer, a practicing gun enthusiast, a practicing and living example of pro-family, an enemy of $$$$ corruption in government and therefore inevitably a future candidate whose candidacy will reduce leftists, liberals, "moderates," squishballs, baby-killers, gun grabbers, corrupt establishment zillionaires in a feeding frenzy for tax dollars, and other miscreants to a future in diapers for those who are obsolete and have been permanently replaced.

Syncro:

Thanks for the heads up. Ngat did post the same material to me separately. Also the "posse" he pinged are some of my FRiends here whom I previously pinged. I think, in fairness, he wanted them to see his response to what I had posted to them.

ngat:

Consider a response in detail to Dr. Sivana's request. It does not unreasonably limit you or your candidate and such a response would do more for your candidate than will bashing Ted Cruz who certainly seems to be running away with conservative movement support. If Dewhurst has conservative credentials, provide them and let us review the case you make.

169 posted on 05/23/2012 4:20:30 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Syncro

I’m tough since the vitriol of the primaries. I was a Santorum fan and you woulda thought I was supporting Charles Manson..the way some Freepers, mostly Newties, behaved.

I stood up to the naysayers and it made me stronger. Some Freepers abuse this site and have the maturity of my seven month old grandson.
And what’s with the three page diatribes(not you but I’m sure you know who I’m talking about).

It’s all about their attempts to exercise control, Syncro. Some of these folks must not be listened to very much at home. :-)


170 posted on 05/23/2012 4:34:35 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (One Nation Under God..."There I said it" ... Great One...)
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To: BlackElk

Already posted to Dr. Sivana.

“Well, if you are really interested, it would be helpful for you to be familiar with the responsibilities and structure of the office of Lt. Governor in Texas, which is kind of unique among the several states. Dewhurst’s accomplishments and successfully fulfilling the requirements of this office during his time as a citizen legislator/executive officer goes right to the reason he is so well-prepared to go represent Texas in the United States Senate right now. Here’s a link to give you background on the Office of Lt. Governor for the State of Texas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant_Governor_of_Texas

How does this differ from the office of Lt. Gov. in your own state, if it does?

You ask the following:

“Are there any specific actions (bill sponsorships, creative proposals, organizational feats) that make him an exceptional candidate? This is your chance to promote Dewhurst”

Ask and ye shall receive:

“The Conservative Case For Electing
Dewhurst To The U.S. Senate

There’s a major reason why Texas conservatives are coalescing behind Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst in the open U.S. Senate race. While virtually all candidates in the extended field agree we need a dramatic housecleaning in Washington, Dewhurst is the sole contender who has proven he can deliver on what he promises.

Dewhurst has compiled an impressive record of budget-cutting and trimming government, starting in his first political office with a major reduction in force at the General Land Office. He continued to hold the line during his five legislative sessions as Lieutenant Governor. Even during periodic rough economic times, the Texas Legislature has eliminated expected shortfalls and balanced the state budget entirely by cutting spending, never once resorting to a general tax increase. That’s a record unmatched anywhere in the country.

Working with Gov. Perry and the Republican majority, Dewhurst has also pushed through legislation protecting vulnerable human life, trimming excesses of personal injury trial lawyers, maintaining a job-friendly regulatory and tax climate, safeguarding the integrity of elections and reducing taxes when possible - all while strengthening our border security. He has helped create a favorable business climate that has attracted businesses and created jobs, and made Texas the envy of other states. When Dewhurst vows to take this Texas model to Washington, he does so with credibility and personal experience.

Dewhurst has managed to accomplish all this in the Texas Senate, where the minority party still has the numbers to stop any legislation dead in its tracks. But Dewhurst has a businessman’s ability to work to a successful deal without sacrificing his principles. As Ronald Reagan advocated, he takes 90 percent and tries to get the remaining 10 percent next time. He’s been equally effective in enacting conservative social policy as well. As one prominent pro-life leader has said: “Until Lt. Gov. Dewhurst was elected, the state senate was where our legislation came to die. He has been a game-changer for the pro-family movement.”

Even as Lt. Governor, Dewhurst has never been part of the inside Austin establishment. He was strongly opposed by the lobby when he first ran for Lt. Governor. Since his election, he’s been a quiet and persistent advocate for transparency and reform, and an enemy of business as usual. He’s developed a well-deserved reputation for intelligence, integrity and independence. He doesn’t read a teleprompter well, but he’s serious about public policy. Dewhurst is never afraid to dive into issues and come up with solutions that embrace free market principles, as he’s done with state health care and other issues. And he’s as persistent as he is serious. He will make a principled and determined U.S. Senator.

Several Senate candidates have unusual personal histories, but Dewhurst’s life story is particularly compelling. His father, a WWII hero, was killed in an auto accident when David was only three. He worked his way through school, overcame a stuttering problem, became a U.S. Air Force officer, and later served abroad in the CIA. When he came back to Houston, Dewhurst started a business, suffered some reversals, dusted himself off and started anew.

Dewhurst was ultimately successful in the energy co-generation industry. He has since given back to our communities in a major way. His contributions over the years to conservative causes, and to those in need, have been made quietly, and they’re inspiring. He is a man of compassion and generosity... and steely resolve.

Starting relatively late in life, Dewhurst became active in political life - even while continuing to run his investment firm. He knows from personal experience that our national wealth expands, and our people become prosperous, only when the private sector takes risks and creates jobs. More importantly, he knows how the heavy hand of government can undermine the hopes and dreams of entrepreneurs and small businessmen. Congress needs more businessmen, more men and women who have created jobs and who can address our troubled economy with personal experience and conviction.

The U.S. Senate race has produced a number of solid candidates and future political talent. Virtually all of them talk the talk about cleaning up the mess in Washington - repealing Obamacare, reducing spending, creating a good business environment. But only one has truly walked the walk, and proven that he can deliver. Dewhurst has a solid track record of accomplishment reining in government on the state level, balancing budgets, protecting the core American family, defending our sovereignty, and safeguarding the American dream for future generations.”

Texas Conservative Review believes David Dewhurst will represent Texas with distinction in the U.S. Senate.


171 posted on 05/23/2012 4:41:41 PM PDT by ngat
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To: BlueLancer

I do apologize for taking so long to respond to your post, especially because you are a voter in the Texas primary and instead I have been tied in knots for days wasting all my free time countering the bullsh** posts out-of-state Progressives who know nothing of Texas and Texas politics.

I was scrolling through the thread, which I am still using to get through to well-meaning conservative people who have bought into the Cruz campaign’s very clever attack strategy of deception and mischaracterization of David Dewhurst’s record and positions on the issues, when I came across your post and noticed your concerns on the Cruz’s attacks on Dewhurst via the immigration issue had not been answered.

I might first mention that “hocndoc” capably refuted in his Post #63 in this thread the false accusation by the Cruz campaign that Dewhurst is pro-tax increase. Please check that post out before you make up your mind who to vote for next Tuesday. And I might also mention that Dewhurst pushed through the best pro-life measure that it is possible to have pass legal muster, under the present Roe v Wade structure we operate under, and that is the new Texas sonogram law.

But as to your concern about Dewhurst’s record regarding your determining issue - immigration, and just to remind, I will quote your post, then post my response”

“Okay, I do have a question for y’all, and I would like to get your input because this pertains to a very important issue .. in fact, the deciding one .. determining where my vote will go:

My understanding is that, in the special session that was called by Gov Perry, David Dewhurst was the driving factor in preventing an affirmative vote on combating illegal immigration and illegal immigrant “rights” in the legislature (along the lines of the Arizona laws). Now, I will grant you that I got most of my information pertaining to this either here on FR or on other conservative websites on the net.

Can you explain to me how a self-described conservative like David Dewhurst could use his position .. and, yes, I understand that the LT GOV is probably one of the most, if not the most, powerful position in Texas government .. to prevent such anti-illegal immigration laws?

As I said, I am asking this question for any additional information that you can provide. Over the years, in the past, I have voted for David Dewhurst for various positions. In this situation, I am inclined to go with Cruz, because of the special session fiasco that David Dewhurst appeared to be responsible for and because of the endorsements that Cruz has received from other people that I do respect.”

Governor Rick Perry (who has sole discretion as to the agenda in a special session) called the special session last summer to address the most important issues not completed during the regular session. Obviously, the most important was passage of the budget (which of course contained several varying controversial matters including defunding planned parenthood, and several different issues related to the rainy-day fund and education, and health care), redistricting, and laws concerning Texas Windstorm Insurace Association. All three groupings of issues were dealt with well during the special session.

Here is a link to a discussion of the special session issues -
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-legislature/82nd-legislative-session/the-final-push-a-special-session-update-/

Contrary to what the Cruz campaign says, David Dewhurst has NOT used his position .. to prevent such anti-illegal immigration laws.

Regarding your concern on illegal immigration, there is no one stronger on that issue than David Dewhurst. There were two controversial issues in that special session that Dewhurst’s political opponents have been trying to use to bash him and that was what measures the State of Texas can take to control illegal immigration since the Federal Government will not do its job, and what the State of Texas can do to control the misbehavior of Federal Government gropers at Texas Airports. A good, although not perfect, discussion of those issues is in the link I provided, but they do address your concerns that David Dewhurst is somehow on the wrong side of those issues. Our State Attorney General’s office currently has its hands full fighting the Federal Government on the redistricting, voter ID, Obamacare, the EPA, education and health and unemployment funding and a host of other issues. We need to see how the Arizona Laws fare before the Supreme Court before we pass Arizona-style immigration control laws in our state. David Dewhurst meanwhile has pushed through the Senate what he could legally do right now on immigration, namely increasing funding for border security on the state level by $400 million, committing those funds to strategic regions which has resulted in a drastic reduction in crime on our side of the border in those communities; he got legislation passed creating tougher penalties for illegal alien smuggling - in short he has actively done all that it is possible to do under current Federal Law, and when the Supreme Court rules, I sure the State of Texas will be doing everything it is allowed to do by the Federal Government under the supremacy clause to protect itself.

I just hope that by then Lt. Governor Dewhurst is in a position to defend the interests of State of Texas from inside the the U.S. Senate.

Thanks for your interest, and I hope you do decide to vote for the proven conservative David Dewhurst instead of risking all on a load of campaign promises.


172 posted on 05/24/2012 7:24:53 AM PDT by ngat
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To: ngat
Okay, given the idea that it may be best to wait .. but cheer on Arizona from the sidelines .. the results of any Supreme Court rulings on Arizona-style immigration laws, that still doesn't explain the failure of the Lieutenant Governor to ramrod through those two bills pertaining to sanctuary city penalties.

With the composition of the Texas House and Senate so strongly in the hands of the Republicans, there shouldn't have been any problem in passing these anti-sanctuary city bills and using them as clubs to bludgeon those law-breaking cities into line.

I'll again grant you that it may be nitpicking at this level, but I do firmly believe that anti-illegal immigration bills are probably the most important that have to come before the legislature: the effects of illegal immigration overarch everything else, encompassing the budget, health, welfare, transportation, jobs, and taxes. As Lieutenant Governor, he should have been better able to formulate an agenda that allowed the time to get these bills past any obstacles and onto the governor's desk for signature.

173 posted on 05/24/2012 8:32:34 AM PDT by BlueLancer ("No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full" (Sulla))
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To: BlueLancer

Thanks for your reply.

All I can tell you is the Lt. Governor is not all-powerful and in a special session there are priorities on the state level of business and not every item is going to get passed. The House is more of an impediment to passage of those measures you are most concerned with, and I am sure that in order to get what Lt. Gov. Dewhurst did get passed in the special session, something must had had to been conceded to get what could be actually gotten, actually done.

Politics is the art of making civilization work and nobody ever gets 100% of everything they want, and I’m not going to punish the best Lt. Gov. in decades for not getting all of what I wanted on all my particular hot-button issues. Especially, will I not put up with some trial lawyer with no record of ever having a recorded vote on anything taking potshots, shots that are extremely deceptive in nature, and misrepresenting a good conservative to try to parlay the tea-party and their naivete into a U.S. Senate seat. Cruz has not earned and does not deserve our party’s nomination for Texas U.S. Senate seat.


174 posted on 05/24/2012 8:54:44 AM PDT by ngat
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To: BlueLancer

It’s also strange that Dewhurst assigned Senator Birdwell’s bill that would have stopped in-state tuition for illegals to liberal Democrat Zaffirini’s Committee effectively killing it. I’m not sure you can paint that any other way than Dewhurst didn’t want it to pass.


175 posted on 05/25/2012 11:39:03 PM PDT by DrewsDad (Environmental Extremism Eventually Endangers Everyone)
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To: DrewsDad; ngat
"It’s also strange that Dewhurst assigned Senator Birdwell’s bill that would have stopped in-state tuition for illegals to liberal Democrat Zaffirini’s Committee effectively killing it. I’m not sure you can paint that any other way than Dewhurst didn’t want it to pass."

Ngat, this is exactly what I was talking about. What say you on this?

176 posted on 05/26/2012 10:43:28 AM PDT by BlueLancer ("No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full" (Sulla))
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To: BlueLancer

I can tell you that your example illustrates perfectly the clever campaign tactics, actually Alinsky in nature, that any sharp bunch on Lawyers running for public office always use to attack their conservative opponent.

Do you understand that tactic?

The Lawyers want you to think the quote in your post is proof of the case they are trying to make, while in reality everything in David Dewhurst’s life and career as Lt. Governor of the State of Texas proves that he is a conservative.

Everything about Cruz and his life so far show that he is much more likely to have liberal tendencies than Dewhurst. Yet precisely because Cruz has no record, except for arguing cases on behalf of his bosses taking the positions he was hired to take, Cruz is practically bulletproof from this type of attack himself!

I know you are finding it hard to wrap your head around this, but Dewhurst is the Conservative, Cruz is the liberal insider in this primary election!


177 posted on 05/27/2012 8:08:28 AM PDT by ngat
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To: ngat
Well, I had always thought that Dewhurst was one of the best conservative politicians that we had here in Texas (and I have voted for him for a number of years in a number of elections), but I still do not understand how .. and why .. he didn't ensure that anti-illegal immigration bills weren't put into committees run by safe conservatives to ensure that they were read out of committee in time and with a favorable output.

I'll grant you that there are some Democrats here in Texas who are generally more conservative than some of the big-city RINOs who are elected. However, there should be enough conservatives to ensure committee chairmanship to allow favorable returns on bills submitted to that committee.

Where the rubber meets the road, tell me this: does David Dewhurst support or in-State tuition for illegal aliens? I've seen, read, and heard both sides, but I would really like a straight answer as to this and to why, if he was in favor of stopping in-State tuition assistance to illegal aliens, he sent the bill to a committee which was obviously biased against stopping such tuition.

178 posted on 05/27/2012 11:52:21 AM PDT by BlueLancer ("No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full" (Sulla))
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To: BlueLancer

BlueLancer, Dewhurst IS one of the best conservatives we have had in years in Texas.

I confess, I would have to more research to answer directly why any particular bill may have been sent to some particular committee, or why a favorable return was not reached on any particular bill. But that goes to the nature of pulling one particular item like that out of a lifelong conservative’s history and using it to attack him and try to make that one item or result you did not like be a raeson to vote for the guy with NO record and who has nothing but campaign promises and his ability as a lawyer to offer.

Even the way you frame your question “ does David Dewhurst support or in-State tuition for illegal aliens?” shows you have bought into Cruz attack strategy, because David Dewhurst has never favored in-state tuition for illegal aliens. The Federal Government forces the state of Texas and you as a taxpayer to educate the children of illegal aliens all the way through to graduation from our public high schools. Then what? Well, that is the question the Feds have dumped in our lap to solve! Dewhurst, or Perry, or any of the State Senators or Representatives almost all of whom voted to allow them in-state rates for college tuitiion were not supporting in-state college tuition rates for illegal allens themselves as we commonly define illegal aliens. I hope you can make this distinction. But, here is part of what I posted to a dude, further trying to explain that what went down in the state government while wrestling with this problem NOT OF ITS OWN MAKING

This is an attack on Dewhurst, an Alinsky type of attack , that any sharp bunch of Lawyers running for public office always use to attack their conservative opponent.

Do you understand that tactic?

The Lawyers want you to think what Dewhurst did in wrestling with the “Dream Act” promlem is proof of the case they are trying to make that Dewhurst loves the illegal alens and hates the good ol’ Texas taxpayers, while in reality everything in David Dewhurst’s life and career as Lt. Governor of the State of Texas proves that he is a conservative.

Everything about Cruz and his life so far show that he is much more likely to have liberal tendencies than Dewhurst.

And I know that you know Cruz is just another Harvard Lawyer with the straight-out Goldman-Sach connection trying to pull off starting his political career with a US Senate seat! Its audacious and incredible when you think about it!

This guy, who has spent most of his adult life in Massechusetts and Washington actually is trying to convince us that Lt. Gov. Dewhurst in trying to work with the legislature in how to make the best of a huge problem the Federal Government has dumped on the Sate by deliberately not enforcing Federal Immigration Law, is now trying to convince us that this proves we should vote for him? I’m not buying it!

Why the heck didn’t Cruz solve the problem when he was Solicitor General? Tell me, what is the Cruz-stated position on the people who have attended the Public School System of the State of Texas and graduated and otherwise qualify to attend the State University System?

Because Cruz has no record, except for arguing cases on behalf of his bosses taking the positions he was hired to take, Cruz is practically bulletproof from this type of attack himself!

I know you are finding it hard to wrap your head around this, but Dewhurst is the Conservative, Cruz is the liberal insider in this primary election!


179 posted on 05/27/2012 3:33:36 PM PDT by ngat
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To: ngat

Thanks for the coherent explanation ..


180 posted on 05/28/2012 8:39:54 AM PDT by BlueLancer ("No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full" (Sulla))
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