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George Zimmerman Case: Should Charges Be Dropped?
ABC News ^ | May 21, 2012 | Matt Gutman

Posted on 05/21/2012 5:39:01 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Two prominent U.S. lawyers are among the skeptics questioning whether evidence in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin supports the second-degree murder charge against George Zimmerman, given the confessed shooter's apparent injuries and freshly released eyewitness accounts.

"There is no second-degree murder evidence in this case," Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz said. "It's a very close case."

Details released in the past week add to the picture of what might have transpired on that rainy Feb. 26 before Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain in the Sanford, Fla., community where Martin, 17, was staying with his father's fiancée, shot the teen dead.

Previously unknown particulars, including the scrape on Martin's knuckle and photos of Zimmerman's battered and swollen face -- which were taken moments after he shot and killed Martin in what he says was self defense -- coupled with eyewitness accounts that back up Zimmerman's story, suggest for some that the prosecutor overreached.

"I'd rather play the defense than the prosecutor, because there's no way you get a murder-two conviction," journalist-attorney Geraldo Rivera said on Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor" last week....

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: blackkk; dershowitz; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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Is there anyone besides Sean Hannity and Ted Baxter on Fox News who isn't a lawyer?
1 posted on 05/21/2012 5:39:08 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Palin.


2 posted on 05/21/2012 5:41:00 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
and freshly released eyewitness accounts.

..the same eyewitness account that was told the next day after the story broke.....what has disappeared is the bounty, wanted dead or alive by the Black Panther party and Holders "I ain't seen nuttin" reaction

3 posted on 05/21/2012 5:44:16 AM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dropped against Zimmerman.

Instated against A.Whorey, concurrent with disbarment.

4 posted on 05/21/2012 5:45:13 AM PDT by tomkat (:^)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We all know there is only one reason why these charges were filed :
Terror of the black lynch mob which was rallied by Rev Al the Master hoax-ster.

Welcome to Obama’s united America,


5 posted on 05/21/2012 5:45:46 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We all know there is only one reason why these charges were filed :
Terror of the black lynch mob which was rallied by Rev Al the Master hoax-ster.

Welcome to Obama’s united America,


6 posted on 05/21/2012 5:45:54 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes the charges should be dropped. I saw the lawyer for the Trevon family last night in an interview and the guy was absolutley violating every ethical and legal agreements and consideration as he blatantly attempted to influence the public opinion in his interview...trying to negate the new evidence. It was absolutely shameful and a disgrace.


7 posted on 05/21/2012 5:45:54 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Zimmerman were smart, when the charges are dropped and/or he’s found not guilty, he needs to move to some South Pacific island, or some place like Liechtenstein or Monaco.

If he stays in the US, he’s not long for this world. Not when he’s already been tried, convicted and sentenced in the court of political correctness.


8 posted on 05/21/2012 5:46:18 AM PDT by Kriggerel ("All great truths are hard and bitter, but lies... are sweeter than wild honey" (Ragnar Redbeard))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, the charges should not be dropped.

At this point I want maximum embarassment for the prosecutor, president and press!


9 posted on 05/21/2012 5:46:28 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: JohnBovenmyer

I meant regular employees, not guest commentators, but you’re correct. Ted Baxter has an MPA from Harvard and I’m not sure of Sean’s education. Greta’s a lawyer, as are most of the female regulars on the network.


10 posted on 05/21/2012 5:47:03 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, Corey should be brought up on charges.


11 posted on 05/21/2012 5:47:10 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Quotes Dershowitz “It is a very close case,” but cuts it off right there before he has completed his thoughts. What did Dersh really say, in full? We know there is more because a smart person whould not state that it is a “close case” and then suggest that this should be dropped because there is no murder 2 evidence? Editors at it again. There ought to be laws that send them to jail for this.


12 posted on 05/21/2012 5:47:44 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The prosecution’s attempts to paint Zimmerman as a violent racist that jumped out of his car in eager anticipation of hunting down a black child will not stand up in court. In fact, with the fight club video of Trayvon that has now surfaced, all of the “violent history” positioning of Zimmerman by the prosecutor may be moot, unless the prosecution wants to see Trayvon subjected to the same personal scrutiny.


13 posted on 05/21/2012 5:47:57 AM PDT by Ironfocus (Unseat the Looter-in-Chief)
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"It's a very close case."

I'm not a lawyer. What's a "close case"?
14 posted on 05/21/2012 5:49:23 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Don't kid yourself. Obama is pulling all the strings.

The object will be to usurp the power of the states in regard to such laws as "stand your ground". Scr** self defense. Waiting to hear Jim Brady's name mentioned.

15 posted on 05/21/2012 5:50:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They got manslaughter at the most and they might get it on the grounds that the popo told Z. not to pursue and he got himself “a problem” when he did pursue. And that he escalated the level of violence, i.e. brought a gun to a fistfight.


16 posted on 05/21/2012 5:50:29 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Doogle

The BP bounty was called for until Z was charged.

If he had not been charged, their bounty would still be in force.

It’s now in the legal system, although we know it’s political and racial.

Even the BP would have a tough time calling for Z to be taken into their custody and their brand of vigilante justice meted out to him, while he is under jurisdiction of the official legal system.


17 posted on 05/21/2012 5:52:25 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Shouldn’t have been charged in the first place.


18 posted on 05/21/2012 5:52:41 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Ironfocus
In fact, with the fight club video of Trayvon that has now surfaced,

When they asked the father if that was Trayvon in the video, he probably said, "Um, let me check with my lawyer."
19 posted on 05/21/2012 5:53:21 AM PDT by Krankor
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There was never a case to begin with.

The police were right in not charging Zimmermen.

The prosecutor should have let it lie, but she had Jesse and Al to deal with.

Charges should be placed against the two biggest race baiters in this nation.
Instead the idiot Sharpton is still working for by MSNBC, probably the most idiotic hiring in the history of television.


20 posted on 05/21/2012 5:53:30 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ted Baxter?

Mike

21 posted on 05/21/2012 5:54:12 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: yldstrk

“Pursue” is the wrong word. “Trying to keep an eye on Tray is more realistic”.


22 posted on 05/21/2012 5:56:25 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: txrangerette
Even the BP would have a tough time calling for Z to be taken...

Perhaps the BP have already paid out their bounty. Could have paid Sanford police, or Holder... Perhaps they are sharing the bounty.

23 posted on 05/21/2012 5:58:03 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: Venturer
Jesse and Al....And who do you think called Jesse and Al??

Remember, this wasn't even in the news for 3 weeks. That's called planning aka conspiracy in the Obama circle.

24 posted on 05/21/2012 5:58:21 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: txrangerette
"The BP bounty was called for until Z was charged."

Then why wasn't "Z" paid the bounty?

25 posted on 05/21/2012 5:59:50 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Kriggerel

His mother is Peruvian, so I would think he might be a citizen there.


26 posted on 05/21/2012 6:00:00 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Greg Gutwel?


27 posted on 05/21/2012 6:00:06 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: txrangerette
"The BP bounty was called for until Z was charged."

Then why wasn't "Z" paid the bounty for turning himself in?

28 posted on 05/21/2012 6:00:38 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: yldstrk

Here we go again.

He wasn’t told not to pursue.

A dispatcher, who had zero authority, told him he wasn’t needed to do that.

He replied, “ok”.

Evidence will show he went back to his car.

Also, evidence will show he was simply trying to see where the kid went, so he could give an address to the cops, and was NOT pursuing he kid to harm him.

Bringing a gun to a fight?

He was a neighborhood watch and had a concealed carry permit.

He had no way of knowing there would be a fight.


29 posted on 05/21/2012 6:00:54 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Previously unknown particulars, including the scrape on Martin's knuckle and photos of Zimmerman's battered and swollen face -- which were taken moments after he shot and killed Martin in what he says was self defense -- coupled with eyewitness accounts that back up Zimmerman's story, suggest for some that the prosecutor overreached.

Haven't seen anyome make the connection yet, but the marking on the inside of Martin's ring finger might also bolster that Martin spotted the gun during the deal and tried to take it away - good chance the slide racking back rubbed it hard. Would also explain the failure to chamber the next round. I don't think the case is as close as Dershowitz states as he opines it doesn't have 2nd degree evidence.

30 posted on 05/21/2012 6:00:54 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: txrangerette

Hey bud, I am not trying to argue the case against him, I am just outlining how the prosecution is thinking


31 posted on 05/21/2012 6:02:34 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

So a police dispatcher (almost certainly NOT a law enforcement officer but rather a clerk) now has the authority to order me around? I didn’t realize that. Who do I see for my camp uniform and ticket?


32 posted on 05/21/2012 6:03:04 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: yldstrk

“...that the popo told Z. not to pursue and he got himself “a problem” when he did pursue.”

There is no proof of that.


33 posted on 05/21/2012 6:03:04 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Kriggerel
"...when the charges are dropped and/or he’s found not guilty, he needs to move to some South Pacific island..."

Given what he'll receive in book advance(s), movie rights, and out-of-court cash settlements from the Florida State, County, Police and prosecutors when he immediately slaps every one with an open-and-shut charge of improper arrest and professional negligence compounded with severe mental anguish and slam-dunk life-threatening related causation, he'll be able to buy a South Pacific island... and a colored staff to run it!

LMAO

34 posted on 05/21/2012 6:04:21 AM PDT by Gargantua ("All men ARE 'created' equal--but 21 years later... well, 'nuff said...")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Charges should NOT be dropped, except through an Acquittal.

IF the Charges were just dropped, you KNOW the race-baiters and ambulance-chasing Martin Attorney will STILL be pursuing Zimmerman and the Deep Pockets of the Taxpayers/City of Sanford, for "Wrongful Death", etc., and the inner-city parasites and Democrat Racists will scream about "Whitewash" (pun-intended), and NO JUSTICE; NO PEACE.

Count on it, ala Rodney King-style. Who will be the NEXT Reginald Denny to get mugged by "social un-rest"?????

35 posted on 05/21/2012 6:08:55 AM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: traderrob6

What I mean by getting himself a “problem” is that TM said You got a problem? You do now” and jumped him.

Look, as I said to rangerette, I am not advocating anything, I am suggesting the thoughts of the prosecution based on the known facts. There could be more. I mean, the facts as they are currently “known” show TM was shot in the chest from a medium distance. This could (I am not saying it does or concluding anything, just indicating an argument)indicate that TM was backing up and was not on Z when shot. Look, y’alls’ personal hopes and opinions are interesting, but that is all. The facts have to be used to attempt to figure out what transpired, and even then, could be wrong. Z may be the only one who knows and he should keep his mouth shut.


36 posted on 05/21/2012 6:09:19 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: traditional1

If the charges are dropped based on “Stand Your Ground” he cannot be re-tried and no civil suits against him are allowed, as it’s been explained to me. The “deep pockets” for Ben Crump and the rest of the racialist industry will have to be found elsewhere...


37 posted on 05/21/2012 6:12:28 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Doogle
.the same eyewitness account that was told the next day after the story broke.

Where have these people been? The FR has been discussing this evidence since day one.
38 posted on 05/21/2012 6:12:28 AM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: Kriggerel

If Zimmerman were smart, when the charges are dropped and/or he’s found not guilty, he needs to move to some South Pacific island, or some place like Liechtenstein or Monaco.

If he stays in the US, he’s not long for this world. Not when he’s already been tried, convicted and sentenced in the court of political correctness.

I’d give Zimmerman a licence to carry 2 fully automatic Uzi’s:)


39 posted on 05/21/2012 6:13:21 AM PDT by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: yldstrk

I’m not a “bud”.

Many times others have misstated and have repeated that he was ordered or told not to pursue.

Untrue, and easily proven untrue.

It was suggested to him by a dispatcher who wielded no authority that it was not needed.

I state that so others who read this and have been misinformed can be informed.

The word pursue is wrong, because he was trying to help cops find the kid’s location, is all he was ever doing. (And he stopped doing that. Then was attacked.)

A lot of people don’t know that, either.

I’m glad you know more than the words you stated. So many don’t know.

That’s all I meant by “here we go again”.

As for the prosecution’s case, they don’t have one.

This is all political and racial.


40 posted on 05/21/2012 6:15:07 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: Gargantua
"and out-of-court cash settlements from the Florida State, County, Police and prosecutors"

I think you could include the POTUS, too. Although, I guess POTUS was right, Martin would be a lot like his son - a dope smoking sloth.

41 posted on 05/21/2012 6:17:07 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

... and as your Attorney General, I say this case won't be over until that racist Honkey Hispanic Zimmerman is prosecuted for a hate crime!

42 posted on 05/21/2012 6:18:55 AM PDT by Zakeet (Obama loves to wok dogs)
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To: yldstrk

“They got manslaughter at the most and they might get it on the grounds that the popo told Z. not to pursue and he got himself “a problem” when he did pursue. And that he escalated the level of violence, i.e. brought a gun to a fistfight.”

I can’t believe you’re still saying this at this late date. NO ONE TOLD Zimmerman not to pursue Martin, in fact he was following Martin NOT pursuing him. What the non-sworn civilian police dispatcher actually said when Zimmerman told him he was following Martin was, “We don’t need you to do that”. That’s not an order or even advice. The civilian police dispatcher has no authority to tell anyone to do anything so even if he had phrased it differently it wouldn’t matter.

As for escalating the fight, Martin jumped Zimmerman. That was the first, and only, crime committed that night. Following someone, especially when you’re Neighborhood Watch on private property, is not illegal. Neither is asking what they’re doing there but Zimmerman didn’t even do that.

Corey’s claim of “profiling” is ludicrous and immaterial. The call to police makes it clear there was no profiling. The dispatcher ASKED Zimmerman if Martin was white, black, or hispanic. Despite all the PC BS those are still relelvant questions when trying to get a description of a suspect. Even if he WAS profiling it’s not illegal for a private citizen to profile. In fact it’s probably a good idea.

The one thing that’s clear in all of this is that Angela Corey needs to be disbarred and in jail. I suspect Zimmerman is going to win huge settlements once all the liable and slander cases are settled. And if I were him I’d take the money and move to Peru.


43 posted on 05/21/2012 6:19:01 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: yldstrk

Medium distance is actuall defined as less than 18 inches.

Red herring.

Media driven red herring.


44 posted on 05/21/2012 6:19:19 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette
Very well-stated, "Budette"...

;>D

45 posted on 05/21/2012 6:20:14 AM PDT by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ted Baxter has an MPA from Harvard and I’m not sure of Sean’s education.

I think Hannity went to Beauty College, as much as he admires himself.
46 posted on 05/21/2012 6:21:28 AM PDT by crosshairs
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To: andyk

...they were riding the PC wagon of gun control


47 posted on 05/21/2012 6:22:22 AM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: C210N

The state appointed prosecutor made the decision, not the police. Police don’t decide prosecutions.

She was appointed by Gov. Rick Scott, and the local prosecutor was pushed aside

Holder doesn’t need a few thousand dollars.

He’s the kind who would be crooked with or without payment. Because he is agenda driven, not law driven.


48 posted on 05/21/2012 6:22:59 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Should charges be dropped? Should have never been filed in the first place!

The ONLY reason there are any charges is because of the fear of rioting by a segment of the “underclass” in our once-great nation. ENOUGH, ALREADY!

Shoot the rioters as necessary, rather than railroading an innocent man!


49 posted on 05/21/2012 6:25:20 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: heshtesh

I dunno. Bernard Goetz still lives in NYC, right?

In fact, I just read Goetz’s Wiki page. If you see what became of his “victim” James Ramseur, one kind of wishes he had finished the job (in that case). The guys he shot had it coming.


50 posted on 05/21/2012 6:26:08 AM PDT by rbg81
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