Skip to comments.Organic Food and Liberal Ideology
Posted on 05/21/2012 11:24:32 AM PDT by Kaslin
"Does Organic Food Turn People into Jerks?" What do you think, folks? When I think of organic food, I think of vegetarians. I think of militant vegetarians. Now, a liberal vegetarian is not content to just eat his vegetables. You have to, too. A conservative vegetarian will eat his vegetables and leave you alone. A liberal vegetarian will eat his and then demand that you only eat vegetables, too. And this is one of the big differences between liberals and conservatives across the board -- whatever it is, whatever the left-right issue is.
If a liberal doesn't want a gun, then the liberal wants to make sure that nobody else gets a gun. All across the board, whatever they are. The biggest bunch of... You know, I keep hearing about how liberals are so tolerant and open-minded. They're not! Liberals are the people of "No!" There's no tolerance whatsoever among people on the left. Anyway, that's what I think of when I think about: "Does Organic Food Turn People into Jerks?" Organic food, I always looked at as a fad.
Now, one thing that sets me apart from other people is that I think issues like this are liberal versus conservative. I think organic food nuts are liberals. Now, I'm sure that some of you conservatives are organic food nuts, but why are you? It's since the liberals have made this into some cause celebre, and it has sounded attractive to you, you bought into it. (interruption) Snerdley, is what? I know he's one. I can tell he's an organic food nut because I can tell by his reaction when I said that organic food people are jerks. I heard his reaction.
Calm down, Mr. Snerdley. You're not a jerk, except about what you eat.
That's the whole point.
RUSH: Here it is. "Renate Raymond has encountered her fair share of organic food snobs, but a recent trip to a Seattle market left her feeling like she'd stumbled onto the set of 'Portlandia.' 'I stopped at a market to get a fruit platter for a movie night...'" Now, who takes fruit to a movie? This is my point. You stop and get a fruit plate for movie night, even if it's at home. Who eats fruit at a movie? "'I stopped at a market to get a fruit platter for a movie night with friends but I couldn't find one so I asked the produce guy,' says the 40-year-old arts administrator from Seattle. 'And he was like, "If you want fruit platters, go to Safeway. We're organic."'"
He was a jerk!
RUSH: So a woman wants to go to the movie. She stops in for a fruit plate to get ready for movie night. That's the first oddball thing. Nobody eats fruit at a movie. I mean, it's just not done. So she goes to the market in Seattle, and the produce guy at the store, "If you want fruit platters, go to Safeway. We're organic." So the woman says, "'I finally bought a small cake and some strawberries and then at the check stand, the guy was like "You didn't bring your own bag? I need to charge you if you didn't bring your own bag." ... They were so snotty and arrogant.'
"As it turns out, new research has determined that a judgmental attitude may just go hand in hand with exposure to organic foods. In fact, a new study published this week in the journal of Social Psychological and Personality Science," One of my favorite magazines. "has found that organic food may just make people act a bit like jerks. 'There's a line of research showing that when people can pat themselves on the back for their moral behavior, they can become self-righteous,' says author Kendall Eskine, assistant professor of the department of psychological sciences at Loyola University in New Orleans. 'I've noticed a lot of organic foods are marketed with moral terminology, like Honest Tea, and wondered if you exposed people to organic food, if it would make them pat themselves on the back for their moral and environmental choices. I wondered if they would be more altruistic or not.'"
So she found out there was this arrogance and superiority for the organic food crowd. But it's not just them. This is liberalism. "Mr. Limbaugh, do you have to make everything left versus right?" Yes, I do, because it is. Folks, I know even some of you long-time listeners ask, "Everything left versus right?" I believe culturally, yes. Politically without question, but I think that there are types. You can typecast people, sometimes stereotype 'em, but you can definitely typecast people. Take a look at it. If a conservative doesn't believe in God, he doesn't go to church. Period. He doesn't tell you that you that you have to stop believing in God. Conservative doesn't chide you for going to church. A conservative doesn't call a member of Congress and make church illegal. But a liberal does that. A liberal, in fact, wants any mention of God and religion silenced. If a liberal doesn't believe in God, doesn't believe in religion, then there can't be anything anywhere that reminds that poor sap of religion. They're just that way.
If a conservative doesn't like a radio show, he changes the channel. Liberals, if they don't like a radio show, demand that the show be shut down. And if the show isn't voluntarily shut down, then they try other avenues to get the show shut down. Whatever it is liberals approve of, you have to, too. They'll harass you, they will harangue you, they will beat up on you, and a lot of people cave just to get them off their backs. Politically, too. This is what happens to the Republicans in Washington. I'm convinced. People say, "How come they campaign as conservatives, get to Washington and then..." because the liberals are constantly beating 'em down. What liberals believe in has to be everywhere, and everybody has to subscribe to it, and those who don't become targets. If a liberal doesn't like somebody, nobody else can, either.
If you're having fun and a liberal is miserable, which is most of the time, whatever it is that brings you pleasure has gotta be stopped. Now, I believe some of these people don't even know they're liberal. They don't even think in terms of ideology. I have no doubt. And that's why I've always said, if more and more people could look at things ideologically, then the level of comprehension and understanding would explode. And since liberals are a true minority, that's what's ironic about this, they are, by numbers, by self-admission, they are true minorities. And yet look at how they attempt to dominate virtually everything.
They are the professionally offended, and if something offends them, it must stop. If they don't like smoking, and you're smoking in your house two miles away and they find out about it, they want to report you. We've done stories here where a housing development, or an apartment complex, somebody living 200 feet away -- I think this was in Maryland somewhere -- 200 feet away in a closed apartment, windows closed, found out somebody was smoking in an apartment 200 feet away and claimed to be able to smell it, claimed that they were getting sick, claimed that they were becoming nauseous, went to the city council and tried to get all smoking banned. That's just who they are. It doesn't matter what the issue is. They become militant about it.
Now, a conservative who only eats vegetables will just only eat vegetables, and you'll never know it unless you happen to be out to dinner with someone. I have a close friend who hates vegetables, won't touch 'em, and whenever this close friend comes to dinner, it's so precise that I have to go over this with either the chef or the caterer countless times, not a single shred of lettuce can even be seen. But this guy does not insist that nobody else eat vegetables. If he was a liberal he'd be condemning all of us, maybe jokingly, but he'd still be condemning all of us and telling us how we're doing something wrong and how we're misbehaving. It's a huge difference.
This turns out to be a serious story: "Does Organic Food Turn People Into Jerks?" This researcher "divided 60 people into three groups. One group was shown pictures of clearly labeled organic food, like apples and spinach. Another group was shown comfort foods such as brownies and cookies. And a third group -- the controls -- were shown non-organic, non-comfort foods like rice, mustard and oatmeal. After viewing the pictures, each person was then asked to read a series of vignettes describing moral transgressions. 'One vignette was about second cousins having sex,' says Eskine. 'Another was about a lawyer on the prowl in an ER trying to get people to sue for their injuries. Then the groups made moral judgments on a scale from one to seven.'
"In another phase of the study, the three groups were asked to volunteer for a (fictitious) study, with each person writing down the amount of time -- from zero to 30 minutes -- that they would be willing to volunteer. The results did not bode well for the organic folks. 'We found that the organic people judged much harder compared to the control or comfort food groups.' When it came to helping out a needy stranger, the organic people also proved to be more selfish, volunteering only 13 minutes as compared to --" Well, look at the charitable donations of Al Gore and Joe Lieberman.
Here they are, big liberals, and they're telling everybody, particularly the 1% and the rich, "You're not paying your fair share. You're not doing enough for your fellow man." Look at what they do personally. They're out there browbeating everybody, wanting to raise everybody's taxes. You're not paying your fair share. You're not doing enough. You're the reason the poor are poor. When it comes time for the pedal to hit the metal these people are nowhere to be found and nowhere to be counted. And so they take their good vibes, not from what they do, but from what they've been able to force you to do, or make happen to you.
Hitler was a vegetarian. Did you know that? Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian and if there had been something called organic food back then... Well, the point is, Hitler let people around him eat meat. He even had it served at his table for guests. But I was gonna say, this vegetarian business, this organic foodstuff, it's a trick. It is a marketing trick. It is a ruse. Free range chicken. What's the difference in a chicken that's raised inside a pen and one that's running around in the backyard? Nothing. Nothing. They pump steroids into the chickens everywhere. Free range. There's no such thing as free range anyway. You couldn't feed enough people if everything was free range. "Okay, let's go out in the backyard and kill a couple chickens and take 'em to Safeway and sell 'em for a profit, Mabel."
It's all a scam.
RUSH: Here we go. The food stuff. Now I'm starting to get a reaction. This is a throwaway story. I'm getting... I'll just tell you, I was reading last night, and I kid you not... By the way, folks. By definition, isn't all the food in Africa "free range"? So you like free-range chicken, right? Okay, everything in Africa is "free range." How's that working out for 'em? There's a lot of starvation and malnutrition in Africa. They have free range.
So I mentioned this to Dawn. "Well, the lions are..." Right. There's my point. If it's not the lions there, it's the coyotes here or what have you. I was reading an Apple blog -- an Apple blog! To show you how perverse this is... I tell you, I know some of you think this is maybe a little bit off the deep end. It's all left versus right. There is no middle here. You can type people this way. I'm reading an Apple blog story and it starts out, "Everybody knows meat kills us." Now, this is probably some 25-year-old young tech guy.
Who knows what he's been taught? "Everybody knows meat kills us." Now, who told him that? Who's lying to him about that? This not a bunch of conservatives. Conservatives don't care whether you die, because we're all gonna die. If you're gonna take steps to hasten it, go right ahead. We don't think we can save everybody, and we don't think we can prevent death. And we don't think meat "kills" anybody. So we don't teach that.
But who is proselytizing that meat kills us? (interruption) No, it was not... The guy was not being funny. It was a little blog entry on something to do with health. I forget exactly what the point of this was, but it was a health-related thing. It had nothing to do with Apple computers or anything high-tech, as is often the case with this particular blog. "Everybody knows meat kills us." And by the same token, these people -- all, every one of them -- believe in manmade global warming. It's as normal as water coming out of the tap to them.
And I tell you, it's being taught actively by libs.
I love Rush but on this particular subject he is woefully ignorant. If folks were aware of what happens with genetically modified foods and antibiotic laden rgbh meat and dairy, they would likely stop eating all together.
Quality of meat is improved by not being raised on feed lots; organically raised food is the best quality.
I’m conservative, but I’m not going to protect big agribusiness. Quite simply, what they call food is cr@p.
Big corporate farms want us to eat whatever garbage they produce.
Why bother grazing beef when you can have it live on feed lots ? Just pump it full of antibiotics so it doesn’t die in that environment, oh, and to get more volume, pump it full of all sorts of other “stuff” to get it bigger faster. Hey, some dude was growing beef-like stuff in a lab. Why not do that ? We can wander around the lab at night, sampling things for snacks. Hey, if we get sick we have ZeroCare !
That is why chef-owned restaurants who serve quality food - look for quality ingredients.
There are reasons why their cooking is better than most people can cook themselves: they start with better ingredients to begin with.
Are their newbie organic people who think that meat is bad for you, they eat bean sprouts and tofu, etc. - yes. There are many nutcases out there. I don’t particularly care about their wackiness, I am happy that there is organic food out there - I see it sometimes now in normal stores because of competition.
What I can’t stand is the increase in food prices overall in the past few years.
Decent beef selling at $20 a pound. Cr@p beef in the supermarket that used to be $4.99 not long ago now selling at $7.99. That’s a 60% increase !!!!
This is due to agribusiness and it’s lobby: let’s export all we can to other countries - and by the way, if foreign buyers demand causes the price to go up - GREAT, we make more profit. Thanks, agribusiness, for helping to destroy America, by increasing retail food prices 10% to 60% in just a few years. Jerks.
When will the stinking rotting so-called elites of America stop being jerks ? They would still make money and everything would be great, if they’d just understand business for real and make a few changes accordingly.
1.) Import raw materials.
2.) Export manufactured goods.
Is that so difficult to understand ?
No, it’s easy. But the elites don’t care about America - they want to do the opposite of that - so third world and communist countries can do those two things and gain wealth.
If you like to spread communism and tyranny, just keep buying from big business and voting for the same Congressmen over and over.
A disappointment (for me) Rush is out tomorrow and Mark Davis is his sub again. I cannot stand Marks verbal diarrhea while saying nothing so I will save my ears. :-(
I totally agree. I’m an advocate of eating locally-grown foods. They are just more nutritious. I also would like foods that are genetically modified to be labeled. I wish he would have let the guy talking about the paleo diet talk more.
Search "John Mackey" CEO of Whole Foods, and read his WSJ Editorial. Most organic food enthusiasts and vegetarians I know are conservatives or libertarians, but then again I don't know too many liberals. (Mackey is a libertarian vegetarian, which has a nice ring to it!)
Agree with you 100%.
The thing everyone should most despise about liberals and liberalism is that they take a good idea and twist it around so much that the rest of us have to oppose it in order to preserve our freedom.
Eating organic is a great idea. Eating more local (your backyard) is even better.
Being “encouraged” to do so by a government using our tax dollars to “encourage” that behavior is a despicable thing.
Rush, you need to read more about the subject. Find out about Joel Salatin and the others who are a part of the local food movement and biological farming. You are painting with too broad a brush. The “organic food movement” is a hugely diverse group of people and they do not fit under one political label.
Agree with you 100%.
Rush is way off base on this one. As others have said, eating organic food (not GMO or pesticide treated) is really just common sense. The fewer chemicals in anything we consume is better for us. Even better is locally grown organic, which typically is less expensive and more fresh because there is less overhead.
We frequent our local farmers markets in the summer time and the meat and vegetables are NOTICEABLY more fresh and tasty. Are they more expensive than non-organic? In most cases, yes. In many cases you can get local labeled as “natural” and confirm with the grower/farmer themselves that they use organic practices but refuse to pay “the man” the extra to $$ to stamp it “organic”.
On another note, The owner of Whole Foods Market who carry a HUGE amount of organic products is a conservative (politically), much to the chagrin to liberals. They hate the guy but HAVE to shop in his stores.
A couple of things here:
The movie night- it’s been growing in popularity to have outdoor movie nights that are really picnics with a movie. Also if it’s a group of girls at someone’s home, there will be a variety of food (I speak from experience) and a fruit tray is a perfectly acceptable dish to bring.
Chickens aren’t given steroids. The hatch to processing time is fast enough that it isn’t cost effective. The real trick with chickens is understanding the breeds. Standard store bought chickens are bread to have a lot of breast meat, almost too much to really cook it properly.
I am a heavy supporter of the local farmer’s market scene. The organic farmers seem to have smaller batches and a larger variety of items. I have picked up more interesting stuff and eat a wider variety of plant based food because of this. I’ve never been treated rudely or thought of any of the farmers as jerks. Most of them honestly want to know what you think of their produce, especially if you tried something new.
Organic food biz always had a large right wing contingent. Acres USA has always been conservative and libertarian. Fletcher Sims was a Texas good ol boy (John Bircher type) doing large scale composting in the 1970s. We need make no apologies to libs and hippies for liking good solid, local, organic as possible food. I have lots of fruit trees on my property. I am into this “natural food thing”. Of course at the same time despise AlGore and the “global warming” frauds
I deploy lots of humus plus a small amount of high quality NPK with minors fertilizer. I don’t spray pesticides
bump—locally grown food
Beg to differ...
Increases in the price of meat are paralleled by increases in all other foods, and not because of agribusiness corporations. The reason is the increased cost of vehicle fuel. Gas has doubled since Bush left office, in fact in the first few months, but never went back down like all the other times. At first, food prices won’t go up right away, because the fuel goes back down. This time, fuel never went back down. Naturally, everything goes up.
And don’t forget that the number of people receiving food stamp assistance has skyrocketed. Food stamps are dollars that the government creates to give to less-well-off people. The money that powers food stamps enters the grocery store, and competes with real money for the same food. Thus, money supply increases, and the value of each dollar decreases. This is called “inflation.” What do you suppose happens to the price of food?
Well, who knew social conservatives were actually liberals? I mean, we don’t want gay marriage and abortions, and we don’t want other people to have them either.
Shakespeare commented on this same trend: “Because you are a Puritan, shall there be no cakes and ale?”
On another thread about the article to which Rush is referring, lots of FReepers were bashing any of us who choose organic foods. I do not use any pesticides around my lawn and garden and have zero pest problems. Zero. I buy organic milk, produce and meats to do without hormones, pesticides, etc. And I am a Conservative. Rush is wrong.
The marxist ideas that the Obama administration touts, for example, “electricity prices in the U.S. would have to go up” are often found, after a little research, to be either fully supported by or even conceived by various industries.
In the case of food, the papers I pointed to take clear positions that the developed nations must feel pain in order to satisfy the needs of the developing ones.
That’s not free enterprise in my book, yet big business is backing the “research” group proposing this idea.
Most Prius drivers and higher income suburban Obama voters.
I always figured the amount of vehicle exhaust you breathe in and out going in and out of the grocery store to buy organics kinda cancelled the whole benefit out.
If you are dead serious about organics, grow it yourself.
Most of us do grow our own but unlike you, we don’t live in climates where you can harvest 12 months out of the year. Some of “us” have a three month window.
Yeah I drive an SUV because I have to drive through alot of snow and I drive it right to Whole Foods so I can feed my family real fresh food throughout the winter.
When man decided he was smarter than g*d, or in the Libs case Gaia, an interesting thing happened, when we started dickin around with seeds and food.
GMO was approved in 1991, 1992 was Agenda 21 UN approval.
Autism, Lymes, MS, Fibromyalgia, CFS started to proliferate..... coincidence?
Keep eating that crap.
I left out an important clause: the amount of toxic DRIVING AROUND LOOKING FOR A PARKING SPOT and then walking into the grocery store, you might be ingesting more than organic can rollback.
Are you just a smart ass or do you have a Prius stuck somewhere.
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Another good one! LOL!
Rush, which is truly a more conservative food choice?
A) A steak from a feedlot cow who lived a miserable short life in a wallow of feces, stuffed with antibiotics and gmo grains and fed hormones and drugs to get it to grow bigger faster, who has no omega 3 fats in it thus promoting illness
B) a steak from a grassfed cow whose food was whatever natural grasses it found while grazing in the sunshine, fairly happy until that one bad day, giving the cow a healthy ratio of omega 3 fats to omega 6's, making that steak almost as healthy as salmon to whomever eats it? Rather than being marinated in hormones, drugs, and antibiotics, its flavor is beefy, fresh, and clean like the steaks Granddaddy used to eat?
Organic in terms of produce means less likely to include toxic pesticides that CAUSE Alzheimer's and gehrig's and Parkinson's. I'd rather pay extra for them than have my kids deal with the burdens of my late life neurodegenerative disease, if possible. I think that is a conservative value, putting my children's future ahead of my desire to save cash today.
I am pleased that so many conservatives care about health. That paleo caller you had was right on. By eating good, plain, conservative, old timey food, he cured himself of diabetes. There are a million stories like his out there. People are becoming healthy by returning to the foods of old. There is nothing conservative about blindly eating today's packaged frankenfood! It's as conservative as voting for the clean, articulate, unvetted candidate because he happens to be black.
I won’t eat organic crap!!!
If it isn’t raised with chemical fertalizer designed for the particular crop after soil analyss and kept insect free wirh pesticides I wont’ eat it!!
That attitude has kept me healthy for 75 years!
good for areas that have a short growing period....
You know what Monk I really can’t taste difference between organic just regular grocery fruit and veggies LOL!