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SpaceX Falcon 9 Launch Live Thread (05/22/2012) 03:44 EDT)
05/21/12 | Kevin Davis

Posted on 05/21/2012 4:47:45 PM PDT by KevinDavis

Good luck again.. I'm sure they will make it..



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Remember it is not easy putting a rocket into space..
1 posted on 05/21/2012 4:48:01 PM PDT by KevinDavis
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To: Jack Hydrazine; ELS; ToxicMich; Cronos; A_perfect_lady; Art in Idaho; perplyone; TheOldLady; ...

2 posted on 05/21/2012 4:49:47 PM PDT by KevinDavis (The birther movement was started by a 9/11 truther..)
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To: KevinDavis

I’m sure they will but I still think NASA made a mistake scrapping the Saturn series.


3 posted on 05/21/2012 4:50:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek; All

I blame the politicians like Fritz Mondale..


4 posted on 05/21/2012 4:51:23 PM PDT by KevinDavis (The birther movement was started by a 9/11 truther..)
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To: KevinDavis

It’s not like it’s rocket surgery...


5 posted on 05/21/2012 4:51:23 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1217 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: KevinDavis

Was it just some computer glitch last time?


6 posted on 05/21/2012 4:54:50 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

I believe a sensor indicated too much pressure one of engines. Faulty check valve, abnormally high chamber pressure in the engine that caused the abort.


7 posted on 05/21/2012 4:59:06 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: KevinDavis

Put me on your list.

My son works for Space X.

Thanks


8 posted on 05/21/2012 5:01:29 PM PDT by nmrancher
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To: dragnet2

ah, false positive or something?


9 posted on 05/21/2012 5:02:32 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: cripplecreek
Obama wants to scrap NASA all together because NASA is an American tradition that evokes too much patriotism and American nationalism. No one seems to grasp my gripe, but there's a reason for everything Obama does and it's usually not favorable to America.

I wish SpaceX the best but flooding the commercial sector with our vast accumulation of space exploration knowledge is tantamount to declassifying everything.. Just a big government giveaway or space 'redistribution of knowledge' program. Bye bye American exceptionalism.

If there's ONE thing our government SHOULD control it's space exploration programs, not health care, soda sales in schools, Wall Street or student and home loans. If it's bassackwards, it's 'bama!

10 posted on 05/21/2012 5:06:24 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: KevinDavis

Here’s hoping the early morning wakeup isn’t wasted this time. Will snap a pic or two for FR from Daytona.


11 posted on 05/21/2012 5:10:52 PM PDT by Textide
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
"Obama wants to scrap NASA all together because NASA is an American tradition that evokes too much patriotism and American nationalism. No one seems to grasp my gripe, but there's a reason for everything Obama does and it's usually ..."

Too many white guys made the space program successful. Can't have that in anti-white, multicultural, everybody is smart and a genius, America.

12 posted on 05/21/2012 5:13:19 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Space cannot remain strictly government. Its like sending Louis and Clark west and keeping everything west of the Mississippi hidden from us.

Unlike many here, I see a role for government in space in the pathfinding, prospecting, and defensive roles but they can’t keep it to themselves. SpaceX is only working a government contract like Boeing or Halliburton but they’ll get beyond the government contracts and benefit us all in the future.


13 posted on 05/21/2012 5:14:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek; All

Indeed..


14 posted on 05/21/2012 5:17:22 PM PDT by KevinDavis (The birther movement was started by a 9/11 truther..)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Don’t scrap NASA, just reduce it to oversight of R&D and commercial endeavors.

Rutan/Allen/Scaled did the whole WhiteKnight/SpaceShipOne program for about $25 million.

Bigelow has at least two prototype inflatable habitats in orbit, all on money he made from budget hotel suites.

NASA is too PC and CYA to get things done economically.

Watch the Black Sky documentary:

Short version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKa67ObI7yk

Burt Rutan: Entrepreneurs are the future of space flight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwfSENkvJXY&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL4281277EE98C5A39


15 posted on 05/21/2012 5:19:58 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: BwanaNdege
I am not anti-SpaceX by any means.. I think they've worked miracles, actually. I just don't like how Obama has downplayed NASA (and minimized them to mere 'Muslim outreach').. Just like every other tradition we have.

I will be praying just as hard as the next guy for the launch tonight. I know there are certain launch 'windows' but wee morning hours launch times doesn't exactly maximize public viewing or interest in SpaceX.

16 posted on 05/21/2012 5:29:28 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
No one seems to grasp my gripe

I do.

but there's a reason for everything Obama does and it's usually not favorable to America.

Usually? Try NEVER.

17 posted on 05/21/2012 5:32:42 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1217 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: KevinDavis

Whether they fly or not is irrelevant....the design with nine motors is atrocious.

Their sequencing of said motors is a nightmare.

They should have bit the bullet and designed another engine to reduce it to three instead of multiplying the possibility of failure.

I think NASA has to look elsewhere....probably the Atlas.


18 posted on 05/21/2012 5:32:51 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: GeronL

Dunno...Just heard an engine pressure issue.


19 posted on 05/21/2012 5:35:53 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Puckster

You are correct.
A small rocket like this one would be better with three larger engines.

A new heavy-lifter for say 100 tons to orbit would be better with five huge engines.


20 posted on 05/21/2012 5:38:09 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: KevinDavis

Hopefully it will be a totally successful mission this go around.


21 posted on 05/21/2012 5:39:21 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

“If there’s ONE thing our government SHOULD control it’s space exploration programs”

This is what gave us the Space Shuttle, and killed the Saturn V. This was the most monumental colossal failure in the history of human exploration since 15th century China destroyed their sea-going fleet.

Think of all the stuff we could have built with the 100+ shuttle flights if we didn’t bring all the weight of each shuttle back down to earth.

Think of what we could have built in space with 100 Saturn V rockets.

The US government should not be given control of American exploration.


22 posted on 05/21/2012 5:41:01 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Puckster
Whether they fly or not is irrelevant....the design with nine motors is atrocious. Their sequencing of said motors is a nightmare. They should have bit the bullet and designed another engine. I think NASA has to look elsewhere....probably the Atlas.

The first Falcon 9 flight was launched from Cape Canaveral on June 4, 2010, with a successful orbital insertion.

The second launch of the Falcon 9, and the first of the SpaceX Dragon spacecraft atop it, occurred December 8, 2010, The Dragon spacecraft completed two orbits, then splashed down in the Pacific Ocean.

23 posted on 05/21/2012 5:45:24 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

I agree, he’s doing it to hurt America. Its a program that inspires dreams, hard work and education. Not something he wants.

Who would benefit from declassifying the technology to put heavy payload rockets into space? Seems anyone wanting an ICBM would be very interested.


24 posted on 05/21/2012 5:46:12 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: RFEngineer; GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
“If there’s ONE thing our government SHOULD control it’s space exploration programs”

This is what gave us the Space Shuttle, and killed the Saturn V. This was the most monumental colossal failure in the history of human exploration since 15th century China destroyed their sea-going fleet.

Ya mean ya didn't like the shuttle missions making 24,000 orbits of the earth?

It was like watching NASCAR go in endless circles. Well, maybe not that bad.

25 posted on 05/21/2012 5:52:53 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

“Ya mean ya didn’t like the shuttle missions making 24,000 orbits of the earth? “

Don’t get me wrong, the machines were impressive manifestations of 1970’s technology, but the first law of space launch (if there isn’t one, there should be) is that once you get something into orbit, don’t waste the orbiting resource and the energy to get it there by bringing it back!


26 posted on 05/21/2012 6:02:03 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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27 posted on 05/21/2012 6:02:29 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: KevinDavis
"Remember it is not easy putting a rocket into space.."

Not it is not, but I'm rooting for SpaceX - it has a good plan and overall strategy.

I may not be awake for the launch (I'll try though) but regardless go Falcon 9 and Dragon!!!

28 posted on 05/21/2012 6:09:35 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: RFEngineer

That too, but all it did was obit the earth, and really didn’t go anywhere. My idea of space exploration, is going to Mars, and building a small exploration base on the lunar surface for starters.

Just imagine if those in the ships of Columbus’s day had decided to endlessly circle around the Mediterranean instead of making the big exploration leaps.


29 posted on 05/21/2012 6:10:58 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Puckster
"Whether they fly or not is irrelevant....the design with nine motors is atrocious."

So Kevin...please post your engineering credentials. What you've written is nonsense, IMO.

SpaceX is proceeding with the most economical, sensical approach it can, meaning reusing proven designs and using redundancy to reduce risk.

The bottom line is cost per ton to LEO, and SpaceX is the leader there. I'm interested to hear your rebuttal.

30 posted on 05/21/2012 6:14:46 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: dragnet2

“My idea of space exploration, is going to Mars, and building a small exploration base on the lunar surface for starters.”

100 Saturn V payloads could have made both of those things happen.

We’re apparently in violent agreement! Squandered opportunity and resources, and all we have is a few static displays.


31 posted on 05/21/2012 6:16:32 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: cripplecreek

You make an important point.

SpaceX is treading a pathway into space laid down by govenment research. No serious person ought to overlook the tremendous investment of taxpayer dollars and government/commercial effort needed to get to this point. But, to give President Obama credit, we do now know this technology well enough that routine missions to low earth orbit should transition from government to commercial execution.

Once SpaceX (and other commercial competitors) demonstrate they can safely, reliably, and economically deliver cargo and passengers to earth orbit(economically being a relative term here), investors are going to want to develop places other than the ISS for those delivery vehicles to go to. That demand/need will, in turn, drive the competition for customers and engineering creativity needed for the “commercialization of space” to become a realty.

None of us will be around to see space commercialization in full bloom, but a successful SpaceX mission to ISS is truly going to be a major moment in human spacefaring history.

I wish them luck.


32 posted on 05/21/2012 6:20:56 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined Effort is the hammer that Human Will uses to forge Tomorrow on the anvil of Today.)
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To: null and void
"It’s not like it’s rocket surgery"

I'll check with the spice agent on that.


33 posted on 05/21/2012 6:25:11 PM PDT by I see my hands (If you say what you think then no one will like you.)
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To: RFEngineer

Agree.


34 posted on 05/21/2012 6:26:59 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: PreciousLiberty; All

????


35 posted on 05/21/2012 6:32:28 PM PDT by KevinDavis (The birther movement was started by a 9/11 truther..)
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To: RFEngineer

The Shuttle was part of the Apollo Technology Program which started in the late 1960s. NASA wanted to make the most of technology from the Apollo program so that not all of the technology would wither on the vine once the project ended. ATP led to Skylab (two launch articles were made and only one launched) and the Shuttle. The latter had as ONE of its mission objectives to work with Skylab and build a larger space station. With the completion of the ISS, the “Space Station Construction Mission” was finished. Part of the reason for having a reusable launch vehicle was to retrieve reparable satellites and even swap-out space station modules (not just assemble a station). In short, the Shuttle program was not an arbitrary decision on the part of NASA; it was seen as a deliberate follow-up of the Apollo program.


36 posted on 05/21/2012 6:33:33 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: cripplecreek

Well, the Lords of Budgets deemed that the end of Apollo automatically meant an end to the Saturn series (including the Saturn 1B). In the minds of many, those launchers were seen as program-specific, so the end of the program meant the end of the launchers. Hell, it is still a shame that Skylab wasn’t boosted into a higher orbit or that the second launch article was never launched.


37 posted on 05/21/2012 6:38:29 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: KevinDavis

so what happened??????


38 posted on 05/21/2012 7:03:17 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Puckster
And they are using Matlab to launch and control it. ;)

Scary, ain't it. Put on your big girl panties. Russia launched with a cluster of engines for years.

/johnny

39 posted on 05/21/2012 7:11:38 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Captain Rhino
None of us will be around to see space commercialization in full bloom,

Ummm. With 12 commercial launches per year, and over 15 commercial companies doing those launches around the world.... yes... We're seeing space commercialization that has been going on for decades.

Governments don't build rockets. Nasa doesn't build rockets. They hire companies to build them.

/johnny

40 posted on 05/21/2012 7:18:09 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: KevinDavis
NASA exists to be the BMV of any future form of space travel. Remember to get a number and move up when hearing someone yell "Next", and be damn certain your documentation is in order. Don't forget to donate your organs and $1 to fish and wildlife.
41 posted on 05/21/2012 7:30:11 PM PDT by Musketeer
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42 posted on 05/21/2012 7:33:09 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: PreciousLiberty
The least amount of cost doesn't translate in the safest design.

I used to provide beacon readout for the eastern range at KSC and Canaveral. Sitting in on Space-X’s first launch gave me a detailed education on the problems with 9 motors.

There are certain things government does very well in, such as a standing military.....etc., also space flight.

If cost is the holy grail for you, be prepared for a body count that will prove my point.

I have every hope of success....just not the direction that Space-X has taken it.

Once again, Atlas is probably going to prove the best platform.

43 posted on 05/21/2012 7:35:42 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: PreciousLiberty
The least amount of cost doesn't translate in the safest design.

I used to provide beacon readout for the eastern range at KSC and Canaveral. Sitting in on Space-X’s first launch gave me a detailed education on the problems with 9 motors.

There are certain things government does very well in, such as a standing military.....etc., also space flight.

If cost is the holy grail for you, be prepared for a body count that will prove my point.

I have every hope of success....just not the direction that Space-X has taken it.

Once again, Atlas is probably going to prove the best platform.

44 posted on 05/21/2012 7:36:05 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: KevinDavis

Fingers crossed for a flawless launch and insertion.


45 posted on 05/21/2012 7:36:36 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yes they have....not to mention, the rocket clusters are spread out much more than Space-X.

Space-X has there rockets clustered too close to the cum-line of the rocket.

2 or 3 rockets shutdown during the boost phase and bad things happen quicker.

Big girl panties might be useful for making it back to earth if all fails.


46 posted on 05/21/2012 7:43:20 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: JRandomFreeper

Indeed. The Saturn 1B had eight engines in the first stage.


47 posted on 05/21/2012 7:45:25 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: dragnet2

All of their launches had delays....for the same thing...engine sequence.

2 launches is a vision for you?

I was there for the first launch at Canaveral...supporting it for the Eastern Range.

I need no education on when and where.

I’m giving you insight on what and why.


48 posted on 05/21/2012 7:47:01 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: PreciousLiberty

BTW.....”Kevin”????????????


49 posted on 05/21/2012 7:48:46 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Puckster
Question to Puckster and everyone else who is knowledgeable about space stuff:

What about using some form of a mag-lev sled to get the space craft moving quickly in a horizontal direction, then slowly ramp it upward and ingite the engines after it's already got a lot of momentum? Wouldn't that be a lot more efficient than using brute force thrust to shove the craft skyward from a dead stop?

I'm obviously no expert, but it seems like the current way is about the least efficient way to launch any space craft. I welcome all responses, even if I'm totally wrong and get schooled for it.

50 posted on 05/21/2012 8:04:00 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( ABO - 2012 )))))
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