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SpaceX Falcon 9 Launch Live Thread (05/22/2012) 03:44 EDT)
05/21/12 | Kevin Davis

Posted on 05/21/2012 4:47:45 PM PDT by KevinDavis

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To: Puckster
All of their launches had delays

Launch delays are common regardless of who is behind it. It's why this is called a test.

51 posted on 05/21/2012 8:13:00 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

It’s a good idea for smaller rockets. Would be an enormous project to scale it up for heavy-lifters.

Launching small rockets to orbit from a large jet is also a good idea.

If you built a magnetic launcher on the moon you could fling payload packages back to earth...if anything of value was found there.

(The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress)


52 posted on 05/21/2012 8:26:11 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Puckster
Um.... They have had more than 2 launches. They have put stuff in orbit. They have returned stuff from orbit. And returning stuff from orbit is something only governments have done until they did it.

Maybe you should actually purchase a clue.

/johnny

53 posted on 05/21/2012 8:39:22 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

We’re talking about the Falcon 9 here.


54 posted on 05/21/2012 8:52:21 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: dragnet2

“Launch delays are common regardless of who is behind it. It’s why this is called a test.”

Test of the Dragon, not of the Falcon 9.

Launch delays are predominately weather related.

Not with Space-X.

They will continue to be predominately motor related. They say software issues...yes, software relating to the motors.


55 posted on 05/21/2012 8:58:14 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Two Kids' Dad

http://articles.cnn.com/2002-01-03/tech/maglev.launches_1_rocket-nasa-maglev-research?_s=PM:TECH


56 posted on 05/21/2012 9:00:26 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Bobalu

Supposedly there is a lot of Helium 3 on the Moon...energy.


57 posted on 05/21/2012 9:04:31 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Puckster

Falcon 9 has made two launches before, both successful.

This seems to disturb you.

Deal with it.


58 posted on 05/21/2012 9:20:46 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
It seems your the one perturbed by anything but “positive” talk.

Your elan is clouding your desire to know.

The Ares 1-X was said to be a successful launch also....however, Griffith legacy had a fundamental problem they didn't really want to talk about, somewhat like you, in that the Ares developed a buckle.

Successful launch you say because it accomplished what it set out to do.

There was a 3 hertz vibration systemic to the rocket being utilized apart from the original design being strapped to the sides of the ET.

That 3 hertz was a jackhammer vibration up the length to the payload. The fix was to add approximately 1200lbs of tare weight to dampen the effect, which wasn't present on the launch.

As I intimated, 1 or 2 launches don't make for success....we will see if they can hammer out the engineering problems on their sequencing...which I doubt due to too many variables.

59 posted on 05/21/2012 9:37:10 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Puckster
As I intimated, 1 or 2 launches don't make for success..

It's why you were told thread, it's a test.

Driving rockets into orbit is dangerous and the complexities can routinely cause delays. From weather, to woodpeckers to mechanical issues..Launch delays will always occur.

60 posted on 05/21/2012 9:58:24 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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It's why you were told upthread, it's a test.
61 posted on 05/21/2012 9:59:17 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Puckster

When you launch complex rockets into space, sh*t occasionally happens.

62 posted on 05/21/2012 10:05:22 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Long term, they truly need to come up with another more powerful motor for future success.


63 posted on 05/21/2012 10:09:35 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: GeronL

I believe it was a check valve for the NO2 purge that didnt close all the way, last I heard was replaced


64 posted on 05/21/2012 10:11:40 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: dragnet2
135 missions from 1981 to 2011 with 2 failures is hardly a bad track record...as dangerous as this inherently is.

We will see if Space-X gets past 6 launches without going for a redesign.

65 posted on 05/21/2012 10:15:28 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Puckster

To all...theere is complex that is born of KISS, complex in its simplest state.

And then there is complex that ignores KISS which becomes, long term, unmanageable, unreliable and dangerous.


66 posted on 05/21/2012 10:21:30 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: KevinDavis
As a kid in the 1950’s, Collier's magazine devoted a whole issue to rockets and space travel. This was in the 1951-1953 period and before the Russians put up Sputnik. The best scientists of the day were predicting suborbital flights within 20 years and a moon mission within 50.

Sputnik changed all that and for kids like me, our new heroes were the X-plane pilots and the astronauts. These were very heady days filled with both triumph and failure. It is hard to imagine it took only 11 years, from the Sputnik of 1957, to the Apollo Moon Lander in 1969.

When the Saturn V was scrapped to fund the Space Shuttle, manned space flight was effectively put in the deep freeze (where it has remained) for 35 years.

If Burt Rutan is correct (and I think he is), the commercialization of space will usher in a Golden Age of manned space flight. The big government space agencies are too bureaucratic, too inflexible, too lacking in vision, and just too stupid to do this job. Besides, NASA’s main job is now “Muslim outreach” according to POTUS Obozo.

67 posted on 05/21/2012 10:26:01 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: Puckster
135 missions from 1981 to 2011 with 2 failures is hardly a bad track record...as dangerous as this inherently is.

I didn't suggest or imply it was a bad track record, I said when launching rockets into space, things will happen, and delays are part of the game.

We will see if Space-X gets past 6 launches without going for a redesign.

Well that remains to be seen. BTW, does that mean 8 launches since 2 have already been successfully launched?

68 posted on 05/21/2012 10:31:36 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: KevinDavis

Jack Hydrazine checking in. I’m definitely staying up for this launch. Have a feeling it’ll lift off this time.


69 posted on 05/21/2012 11:18:42 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I’m watching it in HD at this link.
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7332&Itemid=55


70 posted on 05/21/2012 11:34:31 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Twitter channels to follow:

NASA Kennedy/KSC
https://twitter.com/#!/NASAKennedy

Dragon Launch
https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23dragonlaunch

Elon Musk
https://twitter.com/#!/elonmusk

SpaceX
https://twitter.com/#!/SpaceX

SpaceFlightNow
https://twitter.com/#!/search/spaceflightnow


71 posted on 05/21/2012 11:44:21 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

T-55


72 posted on 05/21/2012 11:51:22 PM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: MasterGunner01

I have great respect for Burt Rutan.

I would never discount out of hand anything he said.


73 posted on 05/21/2012 11:57:30 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; KevinDavis
Windows Media Player link:
(Copy&Paste into 'File|Open URL')

http://www.nasa.gov/145590main_Digital_Media.asx

45 Minutes to liftoff.

74 posted on 05/21/2012 11:58:54 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Falcon 9 countdown timeline.
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/falcon9/003/countdowntimeline.html

Falcon 9 launch timeline.
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/falcon9/003/launchtimeline.html

Story about the Dragon spacecraft.
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/falcon9/003/120521dragon/

Dragon spacecraft fact sheet.
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/falcon9/003/dragon.html

Dragon early orbit timeline
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/falcon9/003/earlyorbit.html

Dragon C2+ timeline.
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/falcon9/003/flightplan.html


75 posted on 05/21/2012 11:58:57 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Other reading materials:

COTS 2 press kit.
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/falcon9/003/flightplan.html

SpaceX Demo Mission Objectives
http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/641018main_pk_objectives.pdf

Dragon Cargo Manifest
http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/640968main_spacex_manifest_042012.pdf


76 posted on 05/22/2012 12:02:31 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Puckster

IMO
Your’s is the voice of reason on this thread.

I think you know what you are talking about.

There is a tradeoff between safety and economic reality.

I tend toward safety rather than economy. Loss of lives leads to enormous setbacks....I remember the setbacks from the shuttle disasters.

If the first SpaceX manned launch results in 7 lives lost then commercial space ventures will be set back 20 years. :-(

I wish the rocket was a simpler design....I’m hoping for the best.


77 posted on 05/22/2012 12:05:35 AM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Current position of the ISS.
78 posted on 05/22/2012 12:13:09 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Bobalu
IMO Your’s is the voice of reason on this thread. I think you know what you are talking about. There is a tradeoff between safety and economic reality. I tend toward safety rather than economy. Loss of lives leads to enormous setbacks....I remember the setbacks from the shuttle disasters. If the first SpaceX manned launch results in 7 lives lost then commercial space ventures will be set back 20 years. :-( I wish the rocket was a simpler design....I’m hoping for the best.

Wow, too bad the SpaceX team didn't weight those considerations before they got this far. I mean, all that experience, and engineering, and courage, and contemplation, and teamwork... and they never even considered you sitting in the corner biting your pillow.

What fools they are. What boastful pride they are exhibiting, without having your trembling as a part of their work.

:: spit ::

You don't deserve to tie their shoes.

79 posted on 05/22/2012 12:17:52 AM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: brityank

23 minutes to lift off!


80 posted on 05/22/2012 12:21:48 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: dragnet2
I'll stick with 6 total.

Their software problems have been there since launch one.

If they do overcome them, congratulations.

My attitude is based in practicality not negativity.

Again, delays, obviously inherent.

Theirs consist of sequencing from day one. If they had delays that were of a varied nature, I'd be encouraged.

81 posted on 05/22/2012 12:22:22 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: Jack Hydrazine

22.10 to launch


82 posted on 05/22/2012 12:22:22 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Anyone know why there are four towers around the rocket? I never saw a launchpad with those before.


83 posted on 05/22/2012 12:24:23 AM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Puckster
we will see if they can hammer out the engineering problems on their sequencing...which I doubt due to too many variables.

Your doubts have been noted.

19.minutes to launch

84 posted on 05/22/2012 12:25:31 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Talisker

Those for towers are for lightning.


85 posted on 05/22/2012 12:25:37 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Talisker
Anyone know why there are four towers around the rocket? I never saw a launchpad with those before.

They are lightning rods.

86 posted on 05/22/2012 12:28:08 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1217 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I was waiting for that - thanks a bunch!


87 posted on 05/22/2012 12:28:52 AM PDT by 21twelve
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To: dragnet2

15 minutes until launch.


88 posted on 05/22/2012 12:29:10 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Those for towers are for lightning.

Did NASA use a different system for their launches? Or is there something about this rocket that might be more attractive to lightning, or more dangerous if it hits (lack of grounding, etc.)?

89 posted on 05/22/2012 12:29:40 AM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: dragnet2

[nully holds up right hand in greeting] Chance!


90 posted on 05/22/2012 12:30:19 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1217 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: 21twelve

There are only 24 viewers at the HD launch feed link I gave. SpaceFlightNow has about 5,000 viewers right now for their video feed.


91 posted on 05/22/2012 12:31:44 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Talisker

I don’t know.


92 posted on 05/22/2012 12:33:13 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Talisker

Not sure, but I believe it’s because there is no gantry protecting the rocket as there was with the Shuttle.


93 posted on 05/22/2012 12:33:35 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

26 but who’s counting...


94 posted on 05/22/2012 12:33:39 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1217 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: Talisker

T-10 minutes to launch...


95 posted on 05/22/2012 12:34:19 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

T-10 ten minutes


96 posted on 05/22/2012 12:34:31 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

This is really historic...Best of luck to them!


97 posted on 05/22/2012 12:35:38 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Looks like the ISS is now over central FL.


98 posted on 05/22/2012 12:36:55 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: dragnet2
This is really historic...Best of luck to them!

Ditto.
99 posted on 05/22/2012 12:37:49 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: dragnet2

It’s great to be part of something historic like this.


100 posted on 05/22/2012 12:37:56 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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