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California man turned water gun into shotgun, police say.
FoxNews.com ^ | May 22, 2012 | Fox News

Posted on 05/22/2012 3:38:45 AM PDT by carriage_hill

Edited on 05/22/2012 4:14:33 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

FRESNO, Calif. A California man was arrested after authorities discovered the "Super Soaker" water gun he was wearing around his neck had been turned into a working shotgun, Fox affiliate KMPH reports.

Fresno police approached 54-year-old Randy Smith when they noticed the water gun around his neck Saturday because they had been recently briefed on people turning toys into working weapons.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; diy; homemadegun; shotgun; watergun; zipgun
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Link to original story, carried by Fox News:

http://www.kmph.com/story/18577572/man-turns-water-gun-into-shotgun-in-southeast-fresno-police-say

It's a kid's water pistol turned into a 20-gauge shotgun?

1 posted on 05/22/2012 3:38:51 AM PDT by carriage_hill
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To: carriage_hill

Try that link again:

http://www.kmph.com/story/18577572/man-turns-water-gun-into-shotgun-in-southeast-fresno-police-say


2 posted on 05/22/2012 3:40:16 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: carriage_hill

I have seen a massive collection of ordinary items that have been modified to shoot ammunition, one of the coolest was an ordinary tire iron that fired a .22magnum.


3 posted on 05/22/2012 3:41:57 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: carriage_hill

CA already wants all toys to be clear to show the workings.

Well then somebody will make clear ammunition. Clear plastic cases, bullets made of clear super hard urethanes. Powder may be a problem but neccesity is the mother of invention.

I would say its possible to extrude a clear propellant eventually. Or maybe its already been done...


4 posted on 05/22/2012 3:45:46 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: carriage_hill

Water gun modified? No, not really. No more then putting a gun inside a paper bag modifies the paper bag into a gun.


5 posted on 05/22/2012 3:48:02 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Eye of Unk

I don’t doubt it; as you said, “neccesity is the mother of invention”, and it most likely will happen. And probably someday sooner than later.


6 posted on 05/22/2012 3:48:25 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Eye of Unk

It has been said that one night, when all were asleep, G*d picked up the east coast of America by Florida and Cape Cod, tilted the nation, and all the nuts, fruits and flakes rolled down to California.

I can find no other reason for California so regularly embracing the “Overtly Unreal” as truth.

As Scrooge would have said of California - “BAH! Humbuggery!”


7 posted on 05/22/2012 3:51:13 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: SampleMan

There’s a local TV news film clip at the Fox News link, but other than a metal barrel, it doesn’t give much info on how he did it. Obviously, they don’t want that released, but I’m sure “it’s already out there” on how to do it.

Seems to me that it’s take a lot more metal parts than just a barrel, wouldn’t it?


8 posted on 05/22/2012 3:52:10 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: SampleMan
Water gun modified? No, not really. No more then putting a gun inside a paper bag modifies the paper bag into a gun.
Exactly. It was a plastic casing around some kind of a zip gun for disguise. Are reporters really as stupid as bags of hammers, or are they just required to pretend to be?
9 posted on 05/22/2012 3:52:43 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: carriage_hill

His biggest mistake was using a toy that looked like a gun.
It’s just as easy to make a firearm out of a Barbie doll, or Nerf football, it doesn’t matter what you use to conceal it.
In my youth, I (knew) kids that routinely made weapons out of car antennas or plumbing parts that were multiple use “guns”. It so simple, anyone but The Kenyan could do it.


10 posted on 05/22/2012 3:52:57 AM PDT by Fireone (Liberals are just overschooled, undereducated, adult children. (did I mention FUBO?))
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To: carriage_hill

I work with composites, and I can say its not difficult to make a shotgun shell out of a clear polymer, it may be a one shot affair and not re-loadable. Every angle and dimension can be duplicated. The primer would be an issue...for now.

And the slug can be a solid chunk of leaded glass for weight with a polymer shell or jacket so it will rifle or be rifled.

Now doing the same to a cartridge would be more demanding because then you lose all semblance of ballistics.


11 posted on 05/22/2012 3:54:56 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: samtheman
>>Are reporters really as stupid as bags of hammers, or are they just required to pretend to be?

Yes on the first, from what I can tell. Chrissy Matthews was just on Jeopardy, and boy did he ever stink it up.

I really think this is a true guide being used in the field, and not a joke:


12 posted on 05/22/2012 4:00:40 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: carriage_hill

Get rid of the restrictions and this wouldn’t be a problem.


13 posted on 05/22/2012 4:02:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Fireone

I’ve heard of people that turned ordinary kitchen knives into weapons. What will they think of next?


14 posted on 05/22/2012 4:02:28 AM PDT by shelterguy
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To: Fireone

As kids in the 50s, we used to take Mom’s pinchy clothespins, reverse one of the wood pieces thru the spring, and we could shoot “barnburner” matches 15-20ft, but that’s all I learned how to do. Our sisters would have kicked the crap out of us had we tried to steal their Barbie Dolls and “modify” them. LOL!


15 posted on 05/22/2012 4:04:06 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: carriage_hill

Zip guns are pretty simple. There is no action per se just the pipe barrel and something to function as a firing pin.


16 posted on 05/22/2012 4:05:59 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: carriage_hill; lightman; SF_Redux

Ping to squirt-shotgun conversion.


17 posted on 05/22/2012 4:08:27 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Police find “anti tank gun” in mans apartment. (sounds like an inert launcher tube to me)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2886441/posts


18 posted on 05/22/2012 4:08:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

My first thought was that it was just a cleverly painted PVC WD40 or hairspray propellant spud gun.

Speaking of such any guess when THOSE will be declared illegal?

Actually I could make one heck of a grenade gun with some thick wall PVC, not the thin schedule 40, sc80 or such. Combine with some workings from say a butane powered framing hammer, a rotary carousel from a kitchen cabinet and I have a resistance style streetsweeper that can fire ammonia/bleach filled ping pong balls.

The problem the more they clamp down the more pressure builds against tyranny. granted its wrong to use a disguised weapon at the wrong time but what about when its needed at the RIGHT time?


19 posted on 05/22/2012 4:20:31 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: carriage_hill

Is it safe?


20 posted on 05/22/2012 4:25:28 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: carriage_hill

I have to say- the first thing I thought of when I saw this title, was an incident from my childhood. At age 13, my buddies and I repelled a pack of bullies with a supersoaker squirtgun...that we had turned into a flamethrower.

It was a grand day. (no injuries on either side, remarkably)


21 posted on 05/22/2012 4:34:03 AM PDT by mills044 (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Eye of Unk

Clear shotgun shells are not new. The idea “failed” because the semi-autos would rip a chunk out of the base and jam.

http://www.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=7340328


22 posted on 05/22/2012 4:40:12 AM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: carriage_hill
It's no big trick, and fairly common among certain urban dwellers. Just buy a super soaker toy. Hollow it out. Insert weapon. The down side, of course, is a grown man walking around with one of these under his arm tends to attract attention, just as much as the real thing would.
supersoakergun
23 posted on 05/22/2012 4:42:52 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: mills044

What flammable liquid will not melt the plastic in short order?


24 posted on 05/22/2012 4:45:01 AM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Clay Moore

Thats a semi auto problem then. Could be a different story with a drum fed round.


25 posted on 05/22/2012 4:45:35 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: Eye of Unk

As far as I’m concerned, NO ONE aside from prison inmates should be restricted from owning and carrying guns. People can whine about criminals with guns all they want but criminals already have guns. All the gun laws do is create criminals.

A while back I stumbled across some Jackson Michigan prison records from the late 1800s. Among the items returned to inmates upon release were guns, knives, clubs etc.


26 posted on 05/22/2012 4:49:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Eye of Unk

Wanda made plastic shotgun shells.

They were different colors for different gages IIRC.

Could have just as easy been clear.


27 posted on 05/22/2012 4:52:12 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Clay Moore
What flammable liquid will not melt the plastic in short order?

Alcohol.

28 posted on 05/22/2012 4:54:28 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: cripplecreek

I’d bet serious money that it’s an inert AT-4 tube or similar.

The police there are idiots.


29 posted on 05/22/2012 5:06:42 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: PowderMonkey

Spray paint it flat black and it’d “less noticeable”, against a black Carhardt Coat or raingear, but it’d still look silly when someone notices the “toy”. Until he fires it.


30 posted on 05/22/2012 5:13:20 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Hardraade

I wouldn’t fire it, personally. Maybe “bench fire” it, but I value my hands and face (in one piece) too much to pull the trigger.


31 posted on 05/22/2012 5:18:08 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Eye of Unk
and I have a resistance style streetsweeper that can fire ammonia/bleach filled ping pong balls.

I bet your parents had to watch you like a hawk when you were a kid.

But, you would've been my best friend...

32 posted on 05/22/2012 5:22:18 AM PDT by moovova (OBAMA: The first US President to come out of the closet.)
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To: shelterguy
I’ve heard of people that turned ordinary kitchen knives into weapons. What will they think of next?

Old quote: "There are no dangerous weapons. There are only dangerous men."

It is not possible to turn the work into a safe playpen by banning ever-more items that criminals can turn into weapons. The only thing that works is keeping the criminals in jail, or killing them.

33 posted on 05/22/2012 5:24:27 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Clay Moore

We filled it with regular gasoline, duct-taped a wooden dowel to the nozzle, and then duct-taped a zippo lighter to the end of the dowel. Previously in the week we’d received a delightful book in the mail (ordered thru a boy scout magazine!) called “incendiaries and other explosives”, and we’d begun experimenting with various napalm concoctions as well.

Anyways, back to the flamethrower- it worked for approximatel a minute, maybe less? But it worked incredibly before melting into a flaming gob of plastic. I will never forget that image of a twenty foot jet of fire and the looks on the neighborhood boys’ faces.

We’ve all led fairly normal lives since, note. No prison for arson activities, etc ;)


34 posted on 05/22/2012 5:27:41 AM PDT by mills044 (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Clay Moore

We filled it with regular gasoline, duct-taped a wooden dowel to the nozzle, and then duct-taped a zippo lighter to the end of the dowel. Previously in the week we’d received a delightful book in the mail (ordered thru a boy scout magazine!) called “incendiaries and other explosives”, and we’d begun experimenting with various napalm concoctions as well.

Anyways, back to the flamethrower- it worked for approximatel a minute, maybe less? But it worked incredibly before melting into a flaming gob of plastic. I will never forget that image of a twenty foot jet of fire and the looks on the neighborhood boys’ faces.

We’ve all led fairly normal lives since, note. No prison for arson activities, etc ;)


35 posted on 05/22/2012 5:41:43 AM PDT by mills044 (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: carriage_hill

I think the “gun” is something we should give to all criminals and criminal wannabees. They would exterminate themselves.

If you look closely, it is nothing more than a piece of 1/2 inch black iron pipe with a 1/2 inch cap on the end. There is no way to fire it because the end cap is solid. Old Zip guns used a spring and nail to fire the cartridge and it was placed where the end cap was.

Next, it was supposed to fire a 20 gauge shell. If, for some reason the end cap was made to have a firing mechanism, when fired 2 things would happen.

1. the entire barrel assembly would come out of the back of that toy like the projectile it was firing. 2. more than likely the simple steel pipe would blow up.

I smell a rat here that was invented by the gun control activists to scare the timid and weak minded.


36 posted on 05/22/2012 5:45:44 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Eye of Unk

I was amazed to see a rat-trap shotgun on display at the State Police training headquarters. So easy to make with a board, piece of pipe, roofing nail, and a trip string. Sometimes showing off trophies is not a smart idea as it educates your criminals!

Of course the super-soaker shotgun may have been a Darwin Award in the making!


37 posted on 05/22/2012 5:45:44 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, this was done, the removal of rights for some citizens, so that later it can be done to all. Sadly many do not agree that freemen all have the right.


38 posted on 05/22/2012 5:49:39 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: DH

Good point, DH.

I wouldn’t think that squirtgun’s plastic would be enough to absorb the 20ga recoil, either. Or the simple piece of pipe would be strong enough to contain the initial firing explosion. But I’m not a gunsmith, so I don’t know all the physics involved, either. Just my initial thoughts.


39 posted on 05/22/2012 6:02:19 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: carriage_hill
California man turned water gun into shotgun, police say.

They report this like it's a bad thing. "The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

40 posted on 05/22/2012 6:03:23 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Eye of Unk; carriage_hill
There are some great youtube videos on how to make zip guns. Is it legal to make one in the US? It should be a state's right issue. Are there any states that allow it?

I watched one video where the guy made a zip gun out of stuff in his shop in about a minute or two, then he disassembled it because he said it was illegal to own.

41 posted on 05/22/2012 6:28:30 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: carriage_hill

I want that dude as my gunsmith. Of course, that’s pointless since the boating accident took all my guns.


42 posted on 05/22/2012 6:33:11 AM PDT by crosshairs
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To: shelterguy

Did you hear about the person who used a stick to beat someone to death? Sticks definitely should be outlawed.


43 posted on 05/22/2012 6:33:39 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: Eye of Unk
you have a good point. Humans will modify and innovate.

This is a truck spring that the Poles modified to launch Molotov cocktails at the Germans.

I found it on this fascinating website that has pictures of a Polish military museum. It is astonishing and even has British and American equipment.

44 posted on 05/22/2012 6:55:20 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Interesting videos. I just watched 2 and yes, I’d be very wary of possessing one, since it’s almost automatic prison time.


45 posted on 05/22/2012 6:58:39 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Admin Moderator; carriage_hill

Sorry, I didn’t see an WP/LATimes byline anywhere when I posted it earlier this morning. Thanks for fixing it.


46 posted on 05/22/2012 7:03:01 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: crosshairs

I had one of those, too, last summer! LOL.


47 posted on 05/22/2012 7:06:05 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Hm, According to that list I have an AK-47.


48 posted on 05/22/2012 7:22:46 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
There are some great youtube videos on how to make zip guns. Is it legal to make one in the US? It should be a state's right issue. Are there any states that allow it?

I watched one video where the guy made a zip gun out of stuff in his shop in about a minute or two, then he disassembled it because he said it was illegal to own.

Not true; the federal government restrictions are from 1) the power of the interstate commerce clause, and 2) the power to tax. In Rock Island Armory vs. United States, the ATF lost big on the ability to regulate full-auto firearms because 1) their power was taxation-based, and 2) they would not issue the tax-stamp for any new manufacture, which 3) negated all their authority in the matter. The Judge's reasoning was such that the ATF did NOT appeal the case, it is said, because they feared a loss in a circuit-court [meaning multiple states].

49 posted on 05/22/2012 7:36:31 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: carriage_hill

Scratching my head here.

I could understand this as a function of concealment.

The weapon (real shotgun) was covered by plastic. One could argue the same about a plastic holster. I guess I’m confused about how putting something onto an existing LEGAL weapon, that in no way alters the function of that weapon, is illegal. Can someone elaborate or explain this to me?


50 posted on 05/22/2012 7:51:55 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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