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MyTake: The Bible condemns a lot, but here’s why we focus on homosexuality
CNN ^ | 5/22/12 | R Albert Mohler, Jr.

Posted on 05/22/2012 5:45:32 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Are conservative Christians hypocritical and selective when it comes to the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality? With all that the Bible condemns, why the focus on gay sex and same-sex marriage?

Given the heated nature of our current debates, it’s a question conservative Christians have learned to expect. “Look,” we are told, “the Bible condemns eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and any number of other things. Why do you ignore those things and insist that the Bible must be obeyed when it comes to sex?”

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A good exposition of why orthodox Christianity (Bible believers) do not celebrate sodomy, no matter what Obama or the NAACP or Bishop Spong says.
1 posted on 05/22/2012 5:45:48 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Because a few sins have their own PACs and lobbyists


2 posted on 05/22/2012 5:47:25 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Hate the sin, love the sinner.


3 posted on 05/22/2012 5:48:39 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: GeronL

Exactly, the other sins aren’t being shoved down our kids’ throats by government policy that says that we have to allow it or we’ll be penalized.

Leftists don’t really care about homosexuals. They care about destroying Christianity and Christian culture. They’re simply mad at God for existing and seek His death. (Darwin stated as much)


4 posted on 05/22/2012 5:50:17 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Homosexuals and illegals are both protected special races and that gives them special constitutional legal rights.

You know that the founding fathers were thinking of them specifically, just ask Ginsburg and the Wise Latino on the court, and ask the brilliant constitutional scholar Obama.

5 posted on 05/22/2012 5:52:50 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The other sins aren’t foul, disease-ridden acts.


6 posted on 05/22/2012 5:53:20 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: SoFloFreeper

Are conservative Christians hypocritical

That is all the farther I got. They speak for the 20% of liberals that think that the 80% do not have any rights.


7 posted on 05/22/2012 5:54:55 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: MrB
Leftists don’t really care about homosexuals.

Yes they do.

They care about the homosexual vote, and, to get it, they'll pretend to care. Every "constituency" counts, and, it's all about the votes they can get.

Democrats are good at dividing and conquering, and thus, they divide people into groups, and then swoop in with their promises and giveaways to buy those votes.

It's all about the votes, and what it take to purchase them. Democrats don't care where the votes come from, as long as they can get enough of them to get people elected in order to implement their agenda.
8 posted on 05/22/2012 5:56:30 AM PDT by adorno
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To: SoFloFreeper

Even above and beyond Christianity, homosexuality has always been recognized by most human societies for what it is - an unnatural and disgusting act.

The Ancient Romans looked down on the acceptance of homosxuality by some Greek societies as a symbol of their cultural degeneracy. Until that is, when that evil and filthy practise had infiltrated their own and even then, open homosexuality was often regarded with disdain or amusement. One of the statements made about Julies Caesar by his political opponents was “He was every woman’s man and every man’s woman.”


9 posted on 05/22/2012 5:59:38 AM PDT by ZULU (Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomini Tuo Da Gloriam.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Hate the sin, love the sinner.

Right until the deviant bastard tries to force his perversions down my kid's and grandkids throats or tries to force me to accept his evil as 'normal'.

10 posted on 05/22/2012 5:59:54 AM PDT by pgkdan (ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

God wants us to be happy. Societies that countenance homosexuality cannot be happy. Hence the condemnation.


11 posted on 05/22/2012 6:00:43 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Excellent article.

"Hate the sin, love the sinner."?????

Not when the sinner is deliberately opposed to God.

12 posted on 05/22/2012 6:05:22 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: SoFloFreeper

The comments are very interesting. You have the “You are God, God is you” guy, the “there has never been any proof that gays choose to be gay” (I must have missed all the proof of the “gay” gene that causes them to be homosexual in the first place) and the troll who says “gays spread AIDS and cancer more than anyone and need to be removed from the US”.

What a sick, stupid society we have become.


13 posted on 05/22/2012 6:05:41 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Homosexuality, along with all other sexual sins, are nearly unique in being specifically condemened by the New Testament as well as the Old. The first council of Jerusalem, asked to advise the first Greek (i.e. non-Jewish) converts) on Christian conduct, only constrained them to: 1. avoid dietary habits that were repellent to Jewish believers and 2. abstain from all sexual immorality. The Church correctly identified sexual sin as the most serious problem facing average believers in modern society.
14 posted on 05/22/2012 6:05:45 AM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: SoFloFreeper
Hate the sin, love the sinner.

I've heard that old chestnut so often I honestly wonder if those using it really do "hate the sin."

I once asked a relative "You hang so many qualifiers and caveats on the prohibition against homosexuality every time it's mentioned, I seriously wonder how you intend to teach your child there's actually anything wrong with the practice?"

Her answer: "I don't know that I will."

That told me all I needed to know about her sincerity.

15 posted on 05/22/2012 6:07:11 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: SoFloFreeper

It’s far worse to damage the soul than the flesh!


16 posted on 05/22/2012 6:09:44 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: HarleyD
As it is written:

...the arrogant cannot stand before You. You hate all who do evil...

Psalm 5:5

17 posted on 05/22/2012 6:12:56 AM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: MrB

> “They’re simply mad at God for existing and seek His death. (Darwin stated as much)”

Do you have a specific passage in mind?


18 posted on 05/22/2012 6:13:48 AM PDT by GJones2 (Source for Darwin comment)
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To: HarleyD

Yes, even then.

“But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;”


19 posted on 05/22/2012 6:19:48 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: HarleyD
In the book of Romans, St. Paul says that when we were still "enemies of God," Christ died for us. His love (and ours) is specifically directed toward those who are opposed to Him.

The person "opposed to God" should be the target of the Works of Mercy

as well as to restrain their evildoing, to expose and counter their lies, to stop their aggression, to refuse them any cooperation, and to counteract their malice with goodness.

Some of us here were once those "deliberately opposed to God." That's exactly why the whole human race needed (and needs) a Savior.

20 posted on 05/22/2012 6:19:57 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Read your Bible.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
The Bible is written to three different audiences. Everything in the Bible, while profitable, is NOT directed at everyone (Jesus's admonition not to cast pearls before swine). 1) Most of the Old Testament is written to the Jews as a prophetic light to JC. As Paul makes clear, Christians are "new creatures," and repeatedly he notes that we are not "under the law." 2) The New Testament is written to believers, a guide book as to how to "walk by faith." Of course they are good "moral principles" for anyone, but anyone who isn't a believer simply cannot access the power of God or the Holy Spirit. 3) Sinners are addressed only in the admonitions to repent and come to Jesus. Paul repeatedly states that a sinner cannot understand the Word of God without being born again.

So, the sodomy laws were specifically written to the Jews---but here's the catch: they were repeated on several occasions to Christians in the New Testament. Therefore, they are different and set apart from "mixing" laws about cotton and wool, or meat and milk; or from shellfish, or even the jubilee laws of the Old Testament. That alone should tell people something: that the restrictions against homosexuality are so significant that they transcend BOTH Hebraic law and the "Law of Love" in the New Testament.

21 posted on 05/22/2012 6:21:15 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: Future Snake Eater
What a sick, stupid society we have become.

What a Godless society we have become. Our American civilization has its taproot in Judeo-Christian principles and morality. Denied those, it will without fail wither and die. It cannot exist without them.

In the name of freedom this present generation will kill freedom.

22 posted on 05/22/2012 6:22:46 AM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: jboot

Well, that verse is speaking about God. It is not giving permission to us to hate.


23 posted on 05/22/2012 6:23:47 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: GJones2

Summing up the above, he wrote, “by such reflections as these... I gradually came to disbelieve in Christianity as a divine revelation.”

In 1880, in reply to a correspondent, Charles wrote, “I am sorry to have to inform you that I do not believe in the Bible as a divine revelation, & therefore not in Jesus Christ as the Son of God.”

http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/darwin.html


24 posted on 05/22/2012 6:25:04 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Boogieman
You forgot the part that by doing so you will heap burning coals upon their heads. And, yes, that is heaping coals.

It's no different than what God does for men. How He loves them, blesses us, does good for those of us who hate Him. Yet, in due time their foot shall slip.

25 posted on 05/22/2012 6:29:54 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Boogieman
When you would destroy the wicked, O God, the bloodthirsty depart from me! Your foes who conspire a plot against you are exalted in vain. Do I not hate, LORD, those who hate you? Those who rise against you, do I not loathe? With fierce hatred I hate them, enemies I count as my own.

Psalm 139:19-22 NAB

26 posted on 05/22/2012 6:32:48 AM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

What you have just stated is a philosophy shared across the entirety of small-o orthodox Christendom. Some may quibble on terminology or on philosophical details of causation, but this description of what plays out is dead on accurate, and scriptural. God would prefer the sinner accept salvation and repent than to end up damned forever.


27 posted on 05/22/2012 6:33:03 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Churches are full of hypocrites you say? Welcome: there's always room for one more.)
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To: jboot

Many of the psalms in this vein were written by men under serious and distressing attack by evildoers, and they desperately needed God to make it stop. This is not a blanket license for a Judeo-Christian version of jihad.


28 posted on 05/22/2012 6:35:47 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Churches are full of hypocrites you say? Welcome: there's always room for one more.)
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To: HarleyD
Not when the sinner is deliberately opposed to God.

Love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you, do good to those who mistreat you. Anyone who claims to be Christian should recognize those instructions.

Are you praying for the conversion of the abortionists, the queers, the socialists, the mohammedans?

29 posted on 05/22/2012 6:37:48 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: jboot

I do have a question about number 1. Thank-you for your response. Did not the apostle Peter have a dream about a group of animals coming from a cloth with the command to “take, kill, eat?”

Did that mean to say that the Christian community not to take on the Jewish dietary laws as part of their observance?


30 posted on 05/22/2012 6:39:03 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: LS
DING! DING! DING! We have a winner!

So well written, you must be clergy. If not, you should be.

31 posted on 05/22/2012 6:39:18 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
This is not a blanket license for a Judeo- Christian version of jihad.

Refusing to capitulate is NOT a jihad...

32 posted on 05/22/2012 6:40:33 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: papertyger

I agree totally—the phrase cannot and must not lose its meaning. Of course, we also cannot and must not become haters of those for whom Christ died. Criminals and activists who try to force sin upon us must be resisted.


33 posted on 05/22/2012 6:40:33 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper
” With all that the Bible condemns, why the focus on gay sex and same-sex marriage?”

For one thing it is not gay sex it is queer sex..Everything is queer about it..For another why do you morons in the media keep pushing this down our throat..To sell your trash for news papers..Don't blame the Christan's blame the disgusting excuses for humans that have sex like an animal..and get a thrill when they can upset a person of God.. The devil is loving ever bit of this disgusting queer thing..He will have a great reunion when the end comes..

34 posted on 05/22/2012 6:42:15 AM PDT by PLD (It is time the freeloaders leave the white house and go back to the hell hole where they came from..)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This is the OT vs NT strawman argument. Those that spout off ask, “why not just put to death those that are...Pick a sin,” obviously do not understand the Bible.


35 posted on 05/22/2012 6:42:30 AM PDT by Bruinator ("For socialism is not merely the labour question, it is before all things an atheistic question")
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To: ilovesarah2012

> ...he [Darwin] wrote, “by such reflections as these... I gradually came to disbelieve in Christianity as a divine revelation.” In 1880, in reply to a correspondent, Charles wrote, “I am sorry to have to inform you that I do not believe in the Bible as a divine revelation, & therefore not in Jesus Christ as the Son of God.”

Thanks. He was a disbeliever — no surprise there — but I don’t see that as being anywhere close to implying what was said earlier, “They’re simply mad at God for existing and seek His death. (Darwin stated as much).”


36 posted on 05/22/2012 6:43:05 AM PDT by GJones2 (Source for Darwin comment)
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To: GeronL

Yes, because this is where the battle is taking place.

There isn’t a mass movement to normalize gluttony, or greed.


37 posted on 05/22/2012 6:44:23 AM PDT by DManA
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To: LS

Could that dream vision Peter had about the animals be a confirmation of what you have said in the second paragraph about Christian believers and the Jewish dietary laws?


38 posted on 05/22/2012 6:45:39 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: SoFloFreeper
“the Bible condemns eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and any number of other things.

I know Mohler knows better than this, so why is he spreading disinformation?

39 posted on 05/22/2012 6:46:15 AM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: jboot

So, do you think a Psalm trumps Jesus?


40 posted on 05/22/2012 6:46:59 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: SoFloFreeper
With all that the Bible condemns, why the focus on gay sex and same-sex marriage?

There is no such thing as "same-sex" marriage. Two men living together are friends. Two women living together are friends. It is biologically not possible for them to be spouses. Only male and female genitalia are biologically made for union. Male/male or female/female union is defined only by sexual perversion.

I thought that everybody knew that! What has happened to our schools and common sense?

41 posted on 05/22/2012 6:47:15 AM PDT by olezip
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To: ArrogantBustard
Are you praying for the conversion of the abortionists, the queers, the socialists, the mohammedans?

Any believer is rightly infuriated by circumstances and atitudes which make those things easier to practice and minimize the incentive to repentance.

42 posted on 05/22/2012 6:48:08 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"Many of the psalms in this vein were written by for men under serious and distressing attack by evildoers, and they desperately needed God to make it stop."

Fixed it. True then, true now.

43 posted on 05/22/2012 6:48:27 AM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck; jboot
Many of the psalms in this vein were written by men...

Wrong. The Psalms were written just like any other scripture; for our instruction, teaching and reproof so that we are equip. The purpose of the contrast of the "wicked" verses the "righteous" in Psalms is so that we understand our nature.

Christians do themselves (and God) a grave disservice in not realizing there are forces that wish nothing more then to destroy the people of God. In every instance of scripture, whenever people of faith compromised their belief, it led to their ruin. There is a great deal to be said about loving others, but we are commanded to love God first-with all our hearts, souls, and minds. I sometimes believe that in our post-modern society with it's emphasis on pandering to everyone, we have simply forgotten this FIRST commandment.

44 posted on 05/22/2012 6:49:21 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: mountainlion

You should read it to the end. It takes these typical misnomers and shreds them.


45 posted on 05/22/2012 6:49:41 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: TheWriterTX

there is such a thing as righteous anger against sin. You can even be angry at the person, anger is a real emotion, too - God can be angry with us, but still love us. Yes, I’m angry at the folks who twist Truth - still doesn’t make me a bigot or hater as claimed by those “tolerant” ones.....


46 posted on 05/22/2012 6:55:04 AM PDT by nevermorelenore
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To: GJones2

Yeah, not sure he was mad at God. Hard to be mad at anyone you don’t believe exists, I would think.


47 posted on 05/22/2012 6:56:37 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: SoFloFreeper
Given the heated nature of our current debates, it’s a question conservative Christians have learned to expect. “Look,” we are told, “the Bible condemns eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and any number of other things. Why do you ignore those things and insist that the Bible must be obeyed when it comes to sex?”

Another one confusing the separation between the New and Old Covenants:

From Acts 11 - 4 Starting from the beginning, Peter told them the whole story: 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6 I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles and birds. 7 Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.’

8 “I replied, ‘Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’

9 “The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’ 10 This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again.

If folks are going to use the Bible to "back" their hypotheses, they need to understand there is a marked difference beteen the Old and New Covenants - much of that which was disallowed in the Old has been allowed in the New.

Just as the requirement to circumsize and perform other rituals/rites was disolved with the Blood of the Cross. We focus on the Commandments and forget that Jesus gave us the Greatest Commandment:

From Matthew 22 - 34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Or, from Mark 12 - 28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[f] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no commandment greater than these.”

32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.

Or Romans 13 - 8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

And one must also understand that while Jesus walked the earth, He and all were still under the Old Covenant and were not living under the Grace which makes those who are saved sinless saints in God's eyes, despite our inability to think sinful thoughts or commit sinful acts.

48 posted on 05/22/2012 6:58:55 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: SoFloFreeper

So much to consider in the words of Jesus Christ in Mark 6:11 when He said, “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.”
It was a warning, and look what places He picks as His point of comparison. At that point one is left to consider what terrible thing those cities did that put them in the eternal crosshairs. And spoken by the Christ Himself (for them that favor the red letter words).


49 posted on 05/22/2012 7:00:07 AM PDT by Texas Gal (Yay shariah. It's as great as diarrhea.)
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To: papertyger
Any believer is rightly infuriated by circumstances and atitudes which make those things [abortion, buggery, socialism, mohammedanism] easier to practice and minimize the incentive to repentance.

I agree. That, BTW, is what "social justice" really means ... a "just" society is one which is ordered so as to encourage folks to do right. The communists have completely misrepresented the term. So yes, it is right and just to be infuriated by the social injustices which inhibit folks from repentance. And it is right and just to be infuriated by the public practice of so many evils.

Yet we are commanded to love our enemies, etc.

By that I believe we are, at minimum, to desire their repentance even as we combat the evil that they do.

50 posted on 05/22/2012 7:02:26 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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