Skip to comments.Washington, D.C., becoming a 'Mormon stronghold'
Posted on 05/22/2012 8:47:57 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
The stunning expansion of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the Washington, D.C., area is profiled in a long, interesting and meticulously accurate CNN story that suggests "the nation's capital has become a Mormon stronghold, with Latter-day Saints playing a big and growing role in the Washington establishment."
"It's hard to point to federal legislation or a White House initiative that bears distinctly Mormon fingerprints," Gilgoff writes, "while it's easy to do the same for other faiths." He cites as an example a recent White House "compromise" on contraception funding, which he says was "mostly a reaction to pressure from Roman Catholic bishops."
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Actually, it was perfect.
Proclaiming Mr. Romney ineligible by virtue of his membership in the offending religion
If someone were to follow the teachings of Hugh Hefner, I'd be suspicious too.
you know what stinkers the Osmonds are
Sad to hear about the death of Marie's son.
There was a Christian fellowship church in the 70_80’s where the parissioners could not take a vacation or apply for a job without permission. There were these.men at a bible study I attended who believed Christian rock was from the devil.
Thank God I know Christ or I’d.be an athiest if I was to place my views on what people say they believe.
That’s the first common sense statement I’ve read on this thread.
I thought I was agreeing with your point...
Did you not have a point to your post ???
I believe Romney has been able to keep his faith separate from his profession
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You may believe that but it isn’t the way Mormonism works. Been there, done that and I’ve pinged other ex-Mormons who know that Mormonism is in no way kept separate.
There was a Christian fellowship church in the 70_80s where the parissioners could not take a vacation or apply for a job without permission
Oh thats been going on in Mormonism since the beginning...
Willard had to ask permission of his Mormon CEO hierarchy to run for POTUS...
The students at BYU the Mormon college are not allowed to surf websites like FRee Republic etc...
and so on...
#1...please review Romney's ties to profiteering from the porn industry (see post #287, including the link there)...something Marriott has been in going back to at least 1990...and Romney's been a Marriott board member going back to the latter 90s...tho he went off of it in latter o7...came back on...then went off again upon going into campaign mode...
#2...We can't separate "character" from gullibility to deception. Somebody vulnerable to deception -- in an area he deems to be the most important area of his life -- has "carry over" effects...most gravely (potentially) foreign policy.
“I knew you would understand and not bash the Moslems”
I didn’t understand this...did you mean mormons.
I hope we are not judging if a particular mormon, catholic, or a christian soul is going after death.
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Mormons are not Christians. Their theology precludes it. It is not any different than to judge any other non-Christian. Christ is the way and what you believe about Christ does matter and does affect if you are a Christian or not.
Sounds to me like she was just a nasty person and whether she was a mormon, jew, christian, seventh day adventist, shed still be a nasty person.
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She is also typical of most Mormons, even me when I was LDS. It is the LDS attitude of superiority. BTW, the only reason Mormons are nice to ‘gentiles’ (all non-Mormons even Jews) is because they want to make ‘the Church’ look good and get you interested in converting.
I can give you a typical conversation of how Mormons lie about their beliefs to outsiders.
If a Jew was on the ballot, and a crisis occurred, I'd at least have confidence that upon such a crisis -- let's say the kind we've seen on the TV show "24" -- that this Jew in the White House could pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Who would be the "god" Romney would call upon?
He'd be a man...a sinner...who rose up and got the "god job" as appointed by what Joseph Smith called a "council of gods."
Do you think that god exists to answer any crises' prayers?
I believe Romney has been able to keep his faith separate from his profession.
Every time Willard gets up to speak in his campaign he preaches Mormonism...
There are code words that you may not understand...
but other Mormons and those whho have some expertience with Mormo nism recognize them...
Up to now Willard has not been asked about his strange off beat utterances...
But he will...after the convention...
after the convention should Willard get enough votes and not be rejected by the Conservatives like his father George was when he ran for POTUS in 1964...Goldwater 800+ George 41..
Reporters will not let Willard continue on his easy ride...
He will be expected to explain himself...
There are many Christians who view music as from the devil, unless its in church that is, dancing as well.
I would like to know what church you went to that required permission to apply for a job or go on vacation. I have been to many churches around the US and many different denominations and never have I heard this before.
I didn’t know you are once a LSD...interesting. nothing would convert me as I do not belong to a religion. I am a followet of Christ. I am steadfast with that and can appreciate the good in others, because it is not a threat to me.
I did not go there, but I know some who did when my church split. Some went to the cult like side, I stayed with the strict, but normal church. (normal compared to that). It was sad to see half the church split and get caught up in that.
can appreciate the good in others,
There is not one righteous, no not one...Romans 3:10
I mean my Moslem friends who are very nice and very kind...
a whole lot kinder than the Mormons Ive met...
Why would you regard one group of non-Christian people and not another ???
God is no respecter of persons...
Are you a bigot ???
You claim to be a follower of Christ yet don’t show concern for the souls of others and have spent more time on this thread defending non-Christians than trying to find out why we are so passionate about the subject of Mormonism.
It isn’t a threat to MY faith, I know the truth. However, it is a threat to the souls of others, those who think that ‘being goood’ is good enough.
There is no good in anyone, only Christ is good. Athiests can be ‘good’ as well, doesn’t make them Christians.
Rather than fall for the PR line, you may want to actually do some research, find out why people like me are so opposed to a faith we used to follow.
Christ hates lukewarm people. Remember that.
Plz TN, I understand your post. But, it is this exact thing that drove me away from the church. Picking a scripture. to make a point that doesn’t pertain is frustrating. So, let me reaped, I can appreciate others who display fine character and morals to others.
I dunno. I grew up in the suburbs of Denver and there were a fair amount of Mormons in the area, maybe 5-10%, maybe more. I had Mormon neighbors, schoolmates and coworkers growing up. As far as I could tell, they're really just like about every other religion. Some were devout. Some, less so. And then there was the Mormon girl I went to prom with and the Mormon girl I dated in college who (along with their brothers) were sewing some pretty wild oats at the time (just like the rest of us were). I could say the same about the Baptists I grew up with. Some devout, others partied hard.
Yeah, there are some strange aspects of the Mormon religion but they seem to be decent people, good neighbors who are politically conservative, productive, generally successful tax-payers and who just want to raise their kids right.
I really don't get all the Mormon hate present on this forum. When it comes to religions/ideologies I feel threatened by, Mormonism is pretty far down on the list.
Oh for goodness sakes,now were calling names. Wow. I was confused that another religion wad being brought into the conversation and it threw me off. We were discussing Mormons and Christians, right. No problem if you want to open the dialogue to Muslims too. But, I try to stay on topic normally
I went to a church once that split over whether to have carpet or tile, then what color.
Just because people are Christians doesn’t mean they also can not be jerks.
There all all kinds of people, some you like and some you don’t yet we are to gather with believers on a regular basis, it strengths us all.
My daughter and sonIL went to a Baptist Church were he was the music leader, young guy lots of talent and wanted to liven up the worship. Oh, my goodness you would have thought the world was going to end when he went from hymnals to an over head screen (same songs). He just couldn’t stand that people where looking down instead of up.
He got a lot of grief, yet when they lost their twin boys, these same legalistic annoying people were there for weeks and weeks. They cleaned the apartment, brought food, prayed with them for strength, collected money so they could get away for a few days alone and grieve. They were still annoying and still legalistic, yet they came forward to help in a Christ like fashion.
Just because people are annoying is no reason not to go to church and gather with other believers, remember we will be spending eternity with them.
Mormonism is a secretive, media savy cult, and i think it is related to to Romney’s lack of openness, and thus his inability to related to others.
Yes, and Catholicism is also about works, but God knows a persons heart and whether there is a personal relationship
so do you have a scripture that tells you to side and believe and aid the unGodly against the children of God ???
Is there actually a scripture in the Christian Bible that instructs us to make war on the believers and to champion the unrighteous against those who believe in the LORD Jesus Christ and Him crucified ???
No there is not...
so why do you who have rejected the children of God, His Bride the church persist on persecuting Christians ???
Was it so bad for you ???
Were you hung on a cross ???
Did you hang there and bleed your lifes blood away ???
No you didnt...
But God did for you and for us...
It appears that you have been too long away from assembling yourself together with other believers...
Frankly Holly with me you have zilch credibility...
No group of believers is peaches and cream..
Everyone has problems of some sort...
Ive been going to church for 63 years now...
I havent found a perfect set of people...
Even my beloved FI are not perfect...
although I love and need every last one of them...
and I count it a very humbling joy and privilege to know them ...
and to know we will spend eternity together...
and I will defend them when they are right and corect them when they are wrong or let someone else do it...
But I WILL NOT accept error when it comes to the LORD Jesus Christ or Christianity...
Holly you can be as wrong and in error as you please about the false religion Mormonism...
though your error will be pointed out to you ...
But when you who have rejected the fellowship of the believers in the LORD Jesus Christ try to lecture me and the other believers on what is in the Christian Bible...
I will not sit still for that dear...
I dont know how old you arte...
But you should get yourself into a Bible belieiing church and meet some Christians imperfect as they are...
Youy might find you will lose that shell youve built for yourself and actually enjoy the company...
Im sure youre a very likable girl in person...
Why dont you give some Christians a chance to get to know you ???
A Busy Body Nana Person
I can appreciate others who display fine character and morals to others.
Holly thats just why God says He doesnt do it that way...
He reads the heart...1 Samuel 16:7
Nana unapologetically quoting the Bible she loves...
“Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? “ (Acts 15:10)
And those were laws from God, not Mormonic mandates.
However, “You may play half-court basketball.”
But how far does “Never be alone” go?
I don’t know if you’re speaking to me directly, or just chose to click on my name, but I do not feel threatened by Mormons and I certainly don’t hate them!
Not agreeing with a religion, finding the beliefs and practices odd, does not equal hate. That’s quite a leap.
And I don’t know how long you’ve been here, but over the years there have been some pretty radical and shall we say over zealous postings by Mormons et al that turned off a lot of FReepers.
Let’s just say there’s a “history”....
His wife's body has yet to be found.
I would whole hardily agree radical stuff about mormonism has been posted in the Religion Forum about mormonism.
You are aware this radical stuff comes directly from their (lds) own words and history, are you not?
I certainly didn't mean to imply that. I just noticed that you posted of your experiences with two Mormons; one devout, one not and I thought I'd chime in that my experiences have been the same.
And I dont know how long youve been here, but over the years there have been some pretty radical and shall we say over zealous postings by Mormons et al that turned off a lot of FReepers.
Lets just say theres a history....
I've been here for some time and while I rarely participate on the religion forums, it's my observation on the other forums that the hatred towards Mormonism seems to be one-way, and has grown stronger since Romney has become the presumptive Republican nominee.
Mitt also can't help but show his "superior" side which comes from the ingrained mormon belief that they are better than others because they have the "one and only true church" and others are doomed if they don't convert, whether alive or dead.
You can see it in some FReeper mormons who can't help but condescend.
Yes, display as in producing good fruit. We will know a Christian by their fruit. Maybe some should display the good fruit and not the rotting fruit on the branches.of our life.
Yes, display as in producing good fruit. We will know a Christian by their fruit.
Scripture from the Christian Bible for that please dear...
Thank you TN, but I feel better assembling outside the doors of the church. Yes, it was bad and I called it quits. But thank you for your concern. By the way, I have no problem with Christians as many of my friends are and attend. I don’t like judging others spirituality...especially if they claim to love Christ and have displayed the fruits of the spirit. But, once the fingers start pointing, I have a need to remind of the ol speck/beam scripture.
What about “Matthew 7:16” ???
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I feel like we’re playing who’s on first.
Remember post 385:
“Yes, display as in producing good fruit. We will know a Christian by their fruit.
Scripture from the Christian Bible for that please dear...”
well, to answer your question about what scripture: I answered it with Matthew 7:16.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.
“I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
Helpful material being posted on this thread. Thank God.
The sectarian elitism and devotion to a particular church as if it were almost God, and constant promotion of their One True Church® , and knee-jerk reaction that rejects out of hand anything that impugns it, is not restricted to Mormonism.
And whenever mortals presume supreme authority higher than Scripture then the souls as well as the bodes of men are in danger.
What do you have on the Utah War besides what the censored WP article has?
Mormons are now patriotic, but fighting against the US army was a result of the quest for a “Momonocracy” it seems.
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You may want to re-read that. Jesus is talking about FALSE PROPHETS, not the fruit of believers. “By their fruit” you will know false prophets.
And the ‘fruit’ of Joseph Smith is rotten indeed.
Point out one "hateful" post on this thread...
Elsewise, please reconsider your generic accusations @ all kinds of people.
Shotgun generic accusations is itself a form of slander.
Actually Catholicism is more about Grace than works, in theology.
And at least Catholics believe in the same God and Christ. Mormons do not.
Mormons teach AGAINST a personal relationship with Christ. Did you know that? It is anathema to them. It is stupidity to them. They make fun of Christians who believe that. I can source that using their OWN sources if you would like.
Like I said, rather than defend something you have ZERO clue on, pay attention to those of us who have been there and why we left. Defend non-Christians if you wish, but don’t pretend Mormons are Christians because they are not. Their own theology does not allow for it.
Yes, and there are those in the Christian church who will say to Christ they healed in his name, they did everything the bible asked of them ....and Jesus will say go away. I never knew you. This not about JS, LSD, or self proclaimed Christians. This is about knowing Christ. Not you nor I can judge someone’s heart relationship with Christ.
Not you nor I can judge someones heart relationship with Christ.
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I can (and must as a Christian) judge their theology and teachings and if they follow (and preach) a false Christ. And Mormons do.
Again, before you stoop to defending them, you may actually want to learn what I had to find out first hand as a member of the Mormon church.
It is a pack of lies that preys on others and lies to outsiders. Mormonism is demonic to the core. Again, been there done that and PRAISE GOD He saved me out of it.
Can a false Christ save you?
Is this November about electing a soul savior?
Worldview matters and thus religion matters. Mitt’s religion teaches him and encourages him to lie to get what he wants.
Mitt and Obama are the same politically and no much different religiously.
I know far too much about Mormonism to ever vote for one. I’m voting Constitution party. It would be contrary to both my conservative beliefs and my faith to vote for Mitt and I hate Obama just as much.
Besides, HT, you have been here long enough to know the the Flying Inmans have been doing this long before Romney. This isn’t about Romney at all, this is about the truth about the Mormon cult.